RE: [gatortalk] What bugs me
You missed one play. The first down play after the fake field goal gave LSU 1st and 10 at the UF 31 yard line give or take. On the first play after the FG review, LSU hit Toliver on a 28 yard slant that gave them first and goal at the UF 3. LSU immediately spiked the ball, rare for them, and completed the fade on 3rd down. But I get you point. Randy Platt aka "PCGator" aka "The Armchair Quarterback" aka "The Other Randy" Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Vega Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:37 AM To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] What bugs me Is not the forward/backwards pass issue. I am somewhat bothered that we didn't see the play coming. We did in our living room. The distance was longer than the kicker had ever completed in his career, and - even if successful - would merely have given LSU overtime on the road against a loud raucous crowd. It seemed obvious that Mile would try to win the game in regulation. What bothers me is that, when the first down as picked up, LSU players were running to the line to spike the ball on 1st down to stop the clock. I think that LSU was out of time outs at that point, having used its last to set up the fake previously. Had normal football been played, 6 or so seconds would have run off the clock and LSU would have spiked the ball on first down; leaving it three tries (and not a lot of time) at the end zone. There is also the outside change of a penalty on the offense for not being set, improper alignment, too many players on the field, as often happens when one tries to run to the line of scrimmage to spike the ball and stop the clock. Instead, the official review acted as a "free" LSU timeout, giving it a chance to freely substitute and be set when the clock started. More importantly, LSU no longer had to waste first down on the spike - giving it 4 shots at the end zone instead of 3. LSU scored on its fourth try; a try it would not have had but for the official review. -Zeb -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] What bugs me
I completely agree on our not seeing the fake. When they called that timeout, I recall wondering why they would do that... then the light came on and I started yelling at the monitor, "Watch the fake!". It is completely unimaginable that our coaches wouldn't see the same thing. Heck, I'm not an expert and it seemed obvious to me. I mean, this particular fake they do is like our jump pass. They pull it out two or three times a year in just this type of situation, and the timeout was a dead give away. On the free timeout while under review, that was indeed unfortunate, but I think the replay rules solve more problems than they cause. In this case, it was just our bad luck that it worked against us that way. I guess I'd be more incensed about that, and the bad fake punt call, if I felt that we had outplayed them and that we really deserved the game. In my mind this loss is all on the coaches. I'm also a bit more relaxed than in earlier games because now I can finally just accept that we're not a very good team this year. They're still my team and they still have my full support, but I can finally stop worrying about polls and national championships and just take it one game at a time. It'll be interesting to see if we can beat Mullen. Rob Sent from my iPad On Oct 11, 2010, at 10:36 AM, John Vega wrote: > Is not the forward/backwards pass issue. > > I am somewhat bothered that we didn't see the play coming. We did in our > living room. The distance was longer than the kicker had ever completed in > his career, and - even if successful - would merely have given LSU overtime > on the road against a loud raucous crowd. It seemed obvious that Mile would > try to win the game in regulation. > > What bothers me is that, when the first down as picked up, LSU players were > running to the line to spike the ball on 1st down to stop the clock. I think > that LSU was out of time outs at that point, having used its last to set up > the fake previously. > > Had normal football been played, 6 or so seconds would have run off the clock > and LSU would have spiked the ball on first down; leaving it three tries (and > not a lot of time) at the end zone. There is also the outside change of a > penalty on the offense for not being set, improper alignment, too many > players on the field, as often happens when one tries to run to the line of > scrimmage to spike the ball and stop the clock. > > Instead, the official review acted as a "free" LSU timeout, giving it a > chance to freely substitute and be set when the clock started. More > importantly, LSU no longer had to waste first down on the spike - giving it 4 > shots at the end zone instead of 3. > > LSU scored on its fourth try; a try it would not have had but for the > official review. > > -Zeb > > -- > GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! > 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions > 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions > 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve > Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), > Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
RE: [gatortalk] What bugs me
To be fair, they did ge a first down at the 3 and scored on 3rd down with 6 seconds left. If they had missed that play, they still had one more down to go. -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Vega Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 9:37 AM To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] What bugs me Is not the forward/backwards pass issue. I am somewhat bothered that we didn't see the play coming. We did in our living room. The distance was longer than the kicker had ever completed in his career, and - even if successful - would merely have given LSU overtime on the road against a loud raucous crowd. It seemed obvious that Mile would try to win the game in regulation. What bothers me is that, when the first down as picked up, LSU players were running to the line to spike the ball on 1st down to stop the clock. I think that LSU was out of time outs at that point, having used its last to set up the fake previously. Had normal football been played, 6 or so seconds would have run off the clock and LSU would have spiked the ball on first down; leaving it three tries (and not a lot of time) at the end zone. There is also the outside change of a penalty on the offense for not being set, improper alignment, too many players on the field, as often happens when one tries to run to the line of scrimmage to spike the ball and stop the clock. Instead, the official review acted as a "free" LSU timeout, giving it a chance to freely substitute and be set when the clock started. More importantly, LSU no longer had to waste first down on the spike - giving it 4 shots at the end zone instead of 3. LSU scored on its fourth try; a try it would not have had but for the official review. -Zeb -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] What bugs me
The clock stops to advance the chains after a first down. Prior to starting the review was called. One more case of Miles' luck. A. Leon Polhill, Gator "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain From: John Vega To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 10:36:32 AM Subject: [gatortalk] What bugs me Is not the forward/backwards pass issue. I am somewhat bothered that we didn't see the play coming. We did in our living room. The distance was longer than the kicker had ever completed in his career, and - even if successful - would merely have given LSU overtime on the road against a loud raucous crowd. It seemed obvious that Mile would try to win the game in regulation. What bothers me is that, when the first down as picked up, LSU players were running to the line to spike the ball on 1st down to stop the clock. I think that LSU was out of time outs at that point, having used its last to set up the fake previously. Had normal football been played, 6 or so seconds would have run off the clock and LSU would have spiked the ball on first down; leaving it three tries (and not a lot of time) at the end zone. There is also the outside change of a penalty on the offense for not being set, improper alignment, too many players on the field, as often happens when one tries to run to the line of scrimmage to spike the ball and stop the clock. Instead, the official review acted as a "free" LSU timeout, giving it a chance to freely substitute and be set when the clock started. More importantly, LSU no longer had to waste first down on the spike - giving it 4 shots at the end zone instead of 3. LSU scored on its fourth try; a try it would not have had but for the official review. -Zeb --GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us