g_b Indy 500 Pictures - May 24, 2009

[Jeff]

Pictures of Indy 500 - May 24, 2009 on Flickr or website - Happy
Memorial Day Everyone!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23640...@n08


http://www.hiv-campground-project.org


:)

Jeff

g_b Kirk orders ban on gay minister debate

[asfan]

Kirk orders ban on gay minister debate
http://www.scotsman.com/ViewArticle.aspx?SectionID=6985&ArticleID=5300732
THE Church of Scotland last night effectively gagged its members from public 
discussion of gay ministers and postponed a potentially divisive vote on the 
issue for two years in a desperate bid to avoid a schism.



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g_b Arab male greetings

[cuteboy]

 
When Arab males greed each other,they kiss three times,going from cheek to 
cheek starting with the left.If they are very good friends they might also give 
the last kiss on the lips but very lightly.At the same time they will hold each 
others hand but not in a tight manner.This greeting can be expressed to the 
same person several times a day,depending how often the parties meet.People who 
haven't seen each other for a long time will show much more affection.Arab 
culture allows much more public display of affection among members of the same 
sex,such as hugging and holding hands while walking in the street.
















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g_b GB Sunday Meet at Thane on 31 May 2009

[GayBombay Events]

The GayBombay Sunday Meet at THANE on 31 May 2009

Day & Date:
Sunday, 31 May 2009

Time: 
5:30 PM - 6:00 PM.

Venue: 
Café Coffee Day, Panchpkhadi, Thane (West).

Cover:
Free entry to the meet

The Café Coffee Day at Panchpakhadi, Thane, remains the place we gather at 
before proceeding to someone's place not far off for another round of chatar 
patar catching up on each others lives or just bitch about nothing :-) We would 
be at the Cafe Coffee day for approx 30 min from 5.30pm

Directions:
For those coming by trains: the place is just a 5 minute ride from the Station 
and you can ask for `Pizza Hut, Panchpakhadi, near Hari Niwas Circle',

For those coming by Highway: turn in towards Thane City at Teen Hath Naka 
(opposite Eternity Mall) and take a left turn just before Hari Niwas Circle. 
There is a series of outlets like Pizza Hut, Dominos, etc where you can find 
the Café.

Note :
1. Do get your friends along to help them gain access to a group especially if 
they are not netizens.

2. You do not have to be "out" to the world to attend. This is a discreet event 
being held as a clean, safe & social get-together of a non-sexual nature. 
Hardly any of those attending are "out" as such. 


3. You need to be at least 18 years of age to attend.

4. There may be many who will prefer being discreet or may be still be coming 
to terms with themselves hence a request that all be sensitive to this and act 
and dress accordingly.

5. To identify the group look out for someone wearing a black cap

See you all on Sunday.


This event is organised by: http://www.gaybombay.org
Right of admission reserved.

Re: g_b Are we going hide our identity in Delhi Gay Pride

[Sanjay Lulla]

. Mr, Sunny I am sure you will be there with camera, crew, make up artist, hair 
stylist, and hm SFX :) will wait to watch the telecast.
Lets wait to heart  the fashion GURUS to comment on the cat walk ooops the 
dress code
 
LGBT member of ME Associaiton
 little prince-Sanjay N Lulla





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Subject: g_b Are we going hide our identity in Delhi Gay Pride





Dear Proud Members of LGBT Association of India

Are we going to hide our identity in Delhi Gay pride like most of us did last 
time by
wearing mask on our face.
Is it safe to reveal our faces(Identity) on pride's day.

Well, I came out on pride's day as a gay boy and dressed like a sailor but it 
was
Brighton(England) where I can feel safe then in India.

Though I am an Indian, I have no clue how safe it is to reveal your identity
during pride's day in India. Does it effect my job, family, society, my life 
etc ?

Love
Sunny





  

g_b Are we going hide our identity in Delhi Gay Pride

[sunny kapoor]

Dear Proud Members of LGBT Association of India


Are we going to hide our identity in Delhi Gay pride like most of us did last 
time by
wearing mask on our face.
Is it safe to reveal our faces(Identity) on pride's day.

Well, I came out on pride's day as a gay boy and dressed like a sailor but it 
was
Brighton(England) where I can feel safe then in India.

Though I am an Indian, I have no clue how safe it is to reveal your identity
during pride's day in India. Does it effect my job, family, society, my life 
etc ?



Love
Sunny

Re: g_b Family pressure on us disgusting: Indian gays

[sunny.kapoor]

Dear Tapesh,

My apologies for the respective post which is being post by one of my friends 
through our account without considering the copyright request.
Just for your information that specific message is being removed from the group 
now.
LGBT Association of India (Pink Stone) is meant to provide information on LGBT 
world and help those are in need.

Sincere Apologies
Moderator

g_b Rahul Gandhi becomes the new gay icon

[sunny kapoor]

 Mumbai: Rahul Gandhi emerged as a youth icon during the General Elections with
even Prime Minster Manmohan Singh acknowledging his contribution to the
Congress' thumping victory.

But it isn't only the youth that are looking to him for a voice. The 
country'slesbian, gay, bisexual and trans-gender (LGBT) community voted 
overwhelmingly
for the Congress hoping thatyoung Rahul would take up their cause.


"He's really cute... he's so good looking and young. He's like the Ranbir 
Kapoor of Indian politics. He has all the charm and he didn't even have to drop 
a towel," says gay rights activist Harish Iyer.


But critics say it's just a passing phase and that the support has more to do 
with Rahul's charisma than his performance.


"We cannot just trust them just because Rahul is good looking. He has to prove 
himself," says Nitin Karani, Editor-at-Large of Gay Bombay.


Naz Foundation founder and Executive Director Anjali Gopalan says, "There is 
this honesty that sort of shines across... but I hope that is real."


With the annual gay pride parades still not receiving support outside some key 
metros it looks like an uphill task for the rainbow brigade.


But their optimism runs high.


"He's still single and he is 38-39...and he has cute dimples and so do I. So he 
has tough competition," points out Harish Iyer.


It would be interesting to see if their dimpled icon actually proves to be 
their knight in shining armour.


(With inputs from Shambhavi Rai and Sholeen Damarwala)

g_b Evangelicals vow to hold back cash

[asfan]

 

>From The Times

May 25, 2009


Evangelicals vow to hold back cash after Scott Rennie defeat


Mike Wade 


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Traditionalists opposed to the appointment of gay ministers are planning a 
campaign of non-co-operation with the Kirk establishment, to deny the Church of 
Scotland hundreds of thousands of pounds in revenue. 
 
The move is in retaliation against Saturday night’s vote at the General 
Assembly of the Church of Scotland to uphold the decision of Aberdeen 
Presbytery to appoint the Rev Scott Rennie to Queen’s Cross parish church, by 
326 vote to 267. There were more than 250 abstentions, leaving Mr Rennie, a 
divorced father who lives with his male partner, admitting that the issue still 
had to be discussed further by the Church. 
 
Mr Rennie, 37, who served on the Church of Scotland human sexuality taskforce 
two years ago, said that there were tens of gay ministers already working in 
the Church, who were afraid of coming out. 
 
“Two gay minsters came to talk [to the taskforce] under anonymity. It's awful 
that people feel they have to have anonymity before they are free to talk,” he 
said. “There are issues here for the Church. A space has to be found for gay 
Christians to have their voices heard. You can’t have an open debate about 
sexuality if one party feels it is unsafe to talk.” 
 
Evangelical commissioners were aghast at the result of Saturday’s vote in 
support of Mr Rennie’s appointment, which followed more than four hours of 
fierce debate. Many felt that proceedings had been rigged by their highly 
organised liberal opponents on the first day of the General Assembly, it having 
been ensured that a scheduled debate on the primacy of heterosexual marriage 
was held only after Mr Rennie’s position was ratified. 
 
That overture (motion) on the sanctity of marriage, proposed by the 
traditionalist Presbytery of Lochcarron and Skye, will be debated today. 
Already, a number of counter-motions and amendments have been tabled by 
liberals which, their opponents fear, could see matters of sexual morality 
swept under the carpet and considered for a year or more by a Kirk commission, 
rather than debated on the floor of the Assembly Hall in Edinburgh. 
 
Despite their defeat, evangelical leaders made clear that rather than quit the 
Church, they intended to fight their corner. They claim that their 
congregations are among the largest in the Kirk, and simply through the 
collection plate provide a substantial income stream which can be denied to the 
church authorities. 
 
The impact of a freeze on collection contributions would be big. A petition 
against Mr Rennie’s appointment gained the signatures of 272 serving parish 
ministers, among the 964 listed in Scotland. Evangelicals say that their 
congregations are among the biggest, from a church membership of less than 
500,000. The largest congregations can generate more than £100,000 per annum, 
up to two thirds being paid over to the church authorities. 
 
The evangelical minsters the Rev David Court, of New Restalrig Church, 
Edinburgh, and the Rev William Philip, of St George’s-Tron, Glasgow, gave 
warning in a joint statment of the battles to come: “The General Assembly has 
shown itself to be seriously out of touch with its grassroots in the churches. 
But it should remember that these are the people who have — hitherto, at least 
— kept a creaking denomination afloat financially. There will be a great deal 
less willingness to do that from now on,” they said. 
 
“People are not obliged to give,” added the Rev Richard Buckley, of Forward 
Together, a leading evangelical organisation. “As far as we are concerned the 
Church has sent out a wrong message about Christian morality. God has revealed 
the truth and . . . the Word of God stands for ever.” 
 
Dr James Simpson, one of three former Moderators of the Church of Scotland who 
during the debate spoke up for Mr Rennie’s appointment, warned that “some of 
the bitterest debates in church history begin with the words ‘Scripture says’.” 
Mr Rennie agreed. “There is no one reading of Scripture that falls from the 
skies. One of the great myths in the debate about sexuality is that one of the 
parties believes the Bible and the other does not. It is a caricature,” he 
said. 
 
Mr Rennie’s appointment was warmly welcomed by Richard Baker, the Labour MSP 
for North East Scotland. A spokesman for Alex Salmond said: “The First Minister 
is pleased that the debate was conducted in good spirit and in an atmosphere of 
mutual understanding.” 


 
Copyright 2009 Times Newspapers Ltd.


 
 








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g_b Split in the Kirk deepens over gay minister

[asfan]

Split in the Kirk deepens over gay minister
http://www.scotsman.com/ViewArticle.aspx?SectionID=6985&ArticleID=5298322
THE divide in the Church of Scotland deepened last night, after traditionalists 
said the vote allowing  the appointment of openly gay minister Scott Rennie  
had brought "great shame" on the Kirk.



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RE: g_b Family pressure on us disgusting: Indian gays

[tapeshm]

Dear Moderator ,
This topic ( Family pressures. ) has already been 
posted on the Times of India online edition . Perhaps even on its hard copy 
edition .
 have Copyright request been adhered to ?
Tapesh
London










> Message Received: May 24 2009, 08:13 PM
> From: "sunny kapoor" 
> To: 
> Cc: 
> Subject: g_b Family pressure on us disgusting: Indian gays
> 
> 
> 
> 
> New Delhi, May 24 Homosexuality is a criminal offence in India, but many gays
> believe that a change in the law will do no good to them unless society starts
> accepting them and stops putting pressurise on them to conform.
> 
> According to Ranjan, 43, who works with an NGO in the capital, family pressure
> in India is "disgusting".
> 
> "Family pressure in India is disgusting. As a gay, I am not supposed to
> disrespect my family reputation even though I am feeling miserable from 
> inside,"
> Ranjan said.
> 
> "The law can't make any difference till we help ourselves and get support from
> society and our family. There is a lot of discrimination against us and no 
> law can change that attitude of people towards us. The need of the hour is to 
> garner support from society to live a normal life like other human beings 
> do," said Ranjan." 
> 
> There is no official data on the country's gay population, according to 
> UNAIDS officials. The Indian Penal Code holds homosexual acts as an offence, 
> with Section 377 providing punishment up to life imprisonment for indulging 
> in them. 
> 
> For 44-year-old prince Manavendra Singh Gohil from Rajpipla in Gujarat, it 
> wasn't easy to disclose the fact that he was gay, but after a failed marriage 
> that lasted 15 months, he decided that succumbing to peer pressure would do 
> no good to his own life. 
> 
> "Initially, I didn't have the courage to be open about my identity but as I 
> came out of a failed marriage, I decided not to take it any more. After this, 
> my mother had almost disowned me for some time. But slowly everyone around me 
> accepted me," Gohil explained. 
> 
> "What I realised was that by getting married I was not only failing myself 
> but also my wife and my family. Being a gay is no threat to our values and 
> tradition. Most of us shy away from accepting our selves because of the 
> dilemma of social acceptance," he added. 
> 
> History lecturer and gay activist Rajarshi Chakrabarty said on phone from 
> Murshidabad in West Bengal: "There is so much struggle and stigma associated 
> with homosexuality that it becomes difficult for a gay to survive." 
> 
> "According to society, you should get married at a certain age, whatever your 
> sexual orientation is because that is a rule you have to follow to gain 
> acceptance in society. Unfortunately, this leads to pressure on homosexuals 
> which in turn leads to fights and confusion within." 
> 
> Sunil Menon, 43, an anthropologist and founder of Sahodaran that deals with 
> male sexual health projects, says one should never feel guilty about being 
> gay. 
> 
> "The guilt cycle starts from childhood when he is confused about his feelings 
> and does not get the opportunity to explore who he is and come to terms with 
> it," Menon explained. 
> 
> "People take medicines and run after psychiatrists to change this nature but 
> you can't do anything about it because you are born with it. It is part of a 
> person's personality and he should accept it rather than focussing on 
> changing it," he added. 
> 
> Menon also believes that importance should be given to sex education in 
> schools and colleges to raise awareness about the issue, especially among 
> people from a low strata of society so that they don't feel lost and save 
> themselves from verbal and emotional abuse. 
> 
> Said Ranjan: "It's not just society, the problem also lies with us because we 
> are scared and have fear within us. 
> 
> "It took me 30 years to accept myself as I am, so how could I expect my 
> family to understand me and my emotions overnight? It is a long and difficult 
> process." 
> 
> Today Ranjan is happily living with his partner and their parents come to 
> visit them.
> 
>