Re: Re: g_b Have Attention please

2012-09-23 Thread Karna Mehta

Makes very encouraging and interesting reading.
However some questions come to my mind.

- are you both still single or married and have
own families?
- what does best friend mean...friendship only or
added with sex 

 On Thu, 20 Sep 2012, ken chao
(kencha...@yahoo.com.au) wrote:

Maybe this is so. It would be interesting to see
what research/studies show.
When I finally decided to "act out" it was "a
�meeting of the minds"�, as I remember it. He was
shy
and naive and so was I.
However, we had a lot of shared values.family,
education etc. He became my best friend and the
relationship has lasted for over 25 years.
Although he lives in another country we talk to
each other weekly and visit each other once a
year.�As� university teachers we do all we can to
help young same sex attracted students .. to
accept themselves and to acquire life skills which
will help them to survive in what is often a
hostile world.� Neither of us ever "came out"to
our families. In general we counsel against this
unless you are very sure of a positive outcome.�
Interestingly our families interact with both of
us
and accept us for who and what we are. Building
all kinds of relationships has been important for
both of us. 
�
 

________
 From: Karna Mehta 
To: "soulsaf...@ymail.com"  
Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2012 4:56 AM
Subject: Re: g_b Have Attention please
  
A straight relationship usually starts with
friendship and leads to sex.

As far as gays go, it looks the norm is to have
sex first..and after that very few end up in
relationship



 On Sat, 8 Sep 2012, soulsaf...@ymail.com
(soulsaf...@ymail.com) wrote:

Hello guys ,
� � � Mujhe nahi pata mai yeh sab kuchh
mai� kyu likh raha ha hun , but ek tarah se apni
frustration
is mail ke through nikal raha hun , I really don't
know , how you people react on it ..meri gay life
age of 17 yrs se shuru hui ,now I am 24 in 7
yrs mai meri life kuchh gine chune log aaye aur
chale gaye, mujhe kuchh farak nahi pada ,shyad
unhe bhi .lakin aaj mai us mod per khada hu
jaha I
really need someone , I need someone,s shoulder ,
I need someone,s moral support. Should I come out
to my family ? lakin kya mai unko apni reality�
bata sakta hun jo maine itne saal tak sabse jo
chhupayi hai ...kya us decorum ko tod du , jisko
mai itne saal tak banata aaya hun .lakin jab
maine deeply socha to paya mai aisa kabhi nahi kar
sakta ..kyu?� � � � � � � �
� � � � � � � � �
� � � Kyunki aisa karne se sab thik ho
jaiga. Aisa nahi hai , even situation aur bhi
worst ho jayegi
�
� � � � � � � To karu to kya karu ?
Chalo mai apni family ko convince kar bhi paya tab
uske baad? To
kya mujhe apni family se NOC (non objection
certificate) mil gayi hai m2m sex ke liye ? Kya
meri life
yeh honi chahiye , jab bhi mauka mile kisi ke bhi
sath uske bed chala jau ? Mera koi moral character
nahi hoga ? Kya koi bhi meri life mai aisa nahi
hoga jiski god mai sar rakh kar mai apne dukh ko
keh
saku? Kya koi bhi aisa nahi milega jo kahe , ki
mai tere sath hun , teri� life ki har mashukilo
mai
aur khushi ke palo mai ?�
� � � � Maine kafi sare groups communities
aur sites join kare , log bahut kuchh likhte hai ,
different 2 issues per , but hardly koi hoga jo in
sab baato ke baare discussion chahta hoga , kyu ?
Aisa kyu hai ? Kya hum sab logo ki feelings finish
ho gayi ? Kya SEX word hi hum sab ki life mai
exist karta hai ? Aur LOVE ya RELATIONSHIP jaise
words SEX ko pane ke liye humne inki definition hi
badal di hai ?� Ab chahe Love kaho to uska end
SEX per hota hai , aur chahe Relationship bhi kaho
to
bhi uska end Sex per hi khatam hota haikyu
nahi hum society mai yeh message dete ki GAY world
is
not meant for sex only?� Kyu hum kisi ek sath
stable hona chahte ? kya kisi mai bhi aise guts
nahi
hai jo Relationship ko life time tak nibha sake ?
� � � � I am really disappointed , totally
blank , Sorry if I hurt any body,s feelings but
these�
questions are floating in my mind  Guys I need
your suggestion , please guide me ...please help
me .

Sent from BlackBerry� on Airtel




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Re: g_b Have Attention please

2012-09-19 Thread Karna Mehta
A straight relationship usually starts with
friendship and leads to sex.

As far as gays go, it looks the norm is to have
sex first..and after that very few end up in
relationship



 On Sat, 8 Sep 2012, soulsaf...@ymail.com
(soulsaf...@ymail.com) wrote:

Hello guys ,
� � � Mujhe nahi pata mai yeh sab kuchh
mai� kyu likh raha ha hun , but ek tarah se apni
frustration
is mail ke through nikal raha hun , I really don't
know , how you people react on it ..meri gay life
age of 17 yrs se shuru hui ,now I am 24 in 7
yrs mai meri life kuchh gine chune log aaye aur
chale gaye, mujhe kuchh farak nahi pada ,shyad
unhe bhi .lakin aaj mai us mod per khada hu
jaha I
really need someone , I need someone,s shoulder ,
I need someone,s moral support. Should I come out
to my family ? lakin kya mai unko apni reality�
bata sakta hun jo maine itne saal tak sabse jo
chhupayi hai ...kya us decorum ko tod du , jisko
mai itne saal tak banata aaya hun .lakin jab
maine deeply socha to paya mai aisa kabhi nahi kar
sakta ..kyu?� � � � � � � �
� � � � � � � � �
� � � Kyunki aisa karne se sab thik ho
jaiga. Aisa nahi hai , even situation aur bhi
worst ho jayegi
�
� � � � � � � To karu to kya karu ?
Chalo mai apni family ko convince kar bhi paya tab
uske baad? To
kya mujhe apni family se NOC (non objection
certificate) mil gayi hai m2m sex ke liye ? Kya
meri life
yeh honi chahiye , jab bhi mauka mile kisi ke bhi
sath uske bed chala jau ? Mera koi moral character
nahi hoga ? Kya koi bhi meri life mai aisa nahi
hoga jiski god mai sar rakh kar mai apne dukh ko
keh
saku? Kya koi bhi aisa nahi milega jo kahe , ki
mai tere sath hun , teri� life ki har mashukilo
mai
aur khushi ke palo mai ?�
� � � � Maine kafi sare groups communities
aur sites join kare , log bahut kuchh likhte hai ,
different 2 issues per , but hardly koi hoga jo in
sab baato ke baare discussion chahta hoga , kyu ?
Aisa kyu hai ? Kya hum sab logo ki feelings finish
ho gayi ? Kya SEX word hi hum sab ki life mai
exist karta hai ? Aur LOVE ya RELATIONSHIP jaise
words SEX ko pane ke liye humne inki definition hi
badal di hai ?� Ab chahe Love kaho to uska end
SEX per hota hai , aur chahe Relationship bhi kaho
to
bhi uska end Sex per hi khatam hota haikyu
nahi hum society mai yeh message dete ki GAY world
is
not meant for sex only?� Kyu hum kisi ek sath
stable hona chahte ? kya kisi mai bhi aise guts
nahi
hai jo Relationship ko life time tak nibha sake ?
� � � � I am really disappointed , totally
blank , Sorry if I hurt any body,s feelings but
these�
questions are floating in my mind  Guys I need
your suggestion , please guide me ...please help
me .

Sent from BlackBerry� on Airtel




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g_b YouTube - Help required

2012-01-28 Thread Karna Mehta

Hi guys.

I have a problem on Youtube...

I used to watch gay clips by opening
"youporngay.com" in the search bar of google.
Since two days the site opens but the clips do not
play.

However I can watch hetrosexual clips by opening
"youporn.com" in the search bar of google. The
site opens and the clips play.

I have MTNL broadband connection. Has MTNL barred
gay sites?

Does anyone have an answer for me?

Thanks guys in advance for any help.





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Re: g_b Re: For those who do not know where to go for HELP

2011-10-26 Thread Karna Mehta
Dear Deep,

I am no promoter of any product / company.
I just came across the medicine while reading their book
Chikitsa Sangrahlaya 
and I thought I should share it with others. Period.

Why did I send it? 

Ayurveda and allopathy form of medicines are basically
different.
Many think Ayurveda is ineffective and run by quacks. That is
not so.
any things for which Allopathy has no answers have answers in
Ayurveda.

Again Arya Vaidshala is a very respected and renowned instition
in Ayurveda from Kerala.
They are certainly not quacks and definately not out to make
cheap money.
They are not a commercial organisation but more a charitable
organisation.
Arya Vaidshala is not promoting this oil AT ALL. I repeat I was
reading their
 book Chikitsa Sangrahlaya. And I have just made a mention of it
to those who may be interested.

I presume I have cleared the air and put my msg in right
perspective.
I would suggest all should visit this not for the penis oil but
for all the GOOD and
effective treat,entbthey provide.
Please visit once to remove your misconception and benefit
yourself.





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 On Mon, 24 Oct 2011, Deep (gaymanprou...@yahoo.co.in)
wrote:

Karna you seem to be a promoter of  this crap. Do you get a
commission
for promoting this kind of quackery?
There is NO way to increase the size of the penis apart from
non-recommended surgery! Check out this link.
http://www.man-health-fitness-solutions.com/male-penis-enlargement-surge\
ry.html

Penis oils and balms add to the size of the seller's bank
balance and
little else:
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/penis/MC00026/METHOD=print

Moderator, please block all such spurious posts.
Deephttp://gaynotes.blogspot.com


--- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, "Karna Mehta"  wrote:
>
>
>
> Many may have heard of Arya Vaidya Sala , Kottakal
Kerala..
>
> They have a plethora of ayurvedic medicines
> One such is  medicinal oil ASVAGANDHADI YAMAKAM
>
> The use of this medicine as written in their book CHIKITSA
> SAMGRAHAM is as follows
> "Those who worry about under-developed penis, can apply this
on
> and around it and
> massage for one hour daily. This along with sperm promoters
like
> Dashamularishtam
> taken internally helps the penis to normal size." A 200 ml
> bottle costs around Rs.100.
>
> The Arya Vaidshala has two dispensaries where doctors give
FREE
> consultation on ALL
> health problems.
> One at Telang Road in Matunga-CR ( the road that goes in from
> the flower
> shops )phone -022 24015195
> And the other at Kerala Bhavan at Vashi.
> The consultation is between 10.00 am and 6.00pm with a lunch
> break. Monday is off day.
> Medicines are also sold at these two places.
>
> I think this will be of help to all members who have any
health
> related issues.
>
> 
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g_b For those who do not know where to go for HELP

2011-10-22 Thread Karna Mehta


Many may have heard of Arya Vaidya Sala , Kottakal Kerala..

They have a plethora of ayurvedic medicines 
One such is  medicinal oil ASVAGANDHADI YAMAKAM

The use of this medicine as written in their book CHIKITSA
SAMGRAHAM is as follows
"Those who worry about under-developed penis, can apply this on
and around it and 
massage for one hour daily. This along with sperm promoters like
Dashamularishtam 
taken internally helps the penis to normal size." A 200 ml
bottle costs around Rs.100.

The Arya Vaidshala has two dispensaries where doctors give FREE
consultation on ALL 
health problems. 
One at Telang Road in Matunga-CR ( the road that goes in from
the flower 
shops )phone -022 24015195
And the other at Kerala Bhavan at Vashi.
The consultation is between 10.00 am and 6.00pm with a lunch
break. Monday is off day.
Medicines are also sold at these two places.

I think this will be of help to all members who have any health
related issues.


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Re: Re: g_b Babaji's Fast

2011-05-31 Thread Karna Mehta
Hey,

I really bugged you with some TRUTHS.
At least you have started thinking about what I said as your reply
indicates.fair enough.
You have your rights and I respect them..I hope you also do the same for ALL
others.

Regards




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 On Mon, 30 May 2011, Aditya Bondyopadhyay (adit.b...@gmail.com) wrote:

Dear Karna Mehta,

Let me reply to each point you raised 1 by 1:

*"You confirm by this mail that you are 100% INSENSITIVE"*
=> Yes, glad you recognize facts at last. no apologies, I am not asking you
to love me. I am not here to win a popularity contest or a beauty pageant.
So I will say it as I see it. You may take it or leave it or scream about
it. The freedom is yours and it is mine. They may just flow in divergent
directions.

*"You may not like him or his ways / teachings / philosophy /
political solutions.."*
=> Again you are completely right. I think he is a megalomaniac, scheming,
political scumbag, who totes his brand of morality over my freedom to enjoy
my fundamental rights as given in the constitution. He does it by peddling
an unscientific pseudo-moralistic gab and tries to justify a greater hold
over my destiny because of his supposed superior moral pretensions. If he
thinks he has the right to say that my being gay makes me a lesser human
being, I have every right to say that he is a hate-mongering fascist and
should be opposed all the way with every resource one has. As long as he
totes his yoga to the gullible, I am fine with it. But if he thinks his
being a yoga teacher gives him the right to interfere with my life, he will
be opposed. And if he does (which he now has) enters politics, then he is
fair game, it is not a moral/religious/and all-that-holier-than-thou-gab
anymore...it is a political opposition coming from a rational scientific
political viewpoint to an irrational, unscientific and essentially
hate-peddling right-wing fascist political tout. There you go. Thats what I
think of Spamdev.

*"What makes you think that you have the right to go out of the way and show
your pathetic talent in poetry..or whatever it is. and your
disrespect*"
=> I do not think this. I know. Under Article 19 of the Indian Constitution
I have that right. It is a fundamental right. Even the parliament cannot
take it away from me by making a law. It is called the freedom of
expression. Go figure.

*"You seem to think that there is only one opinion.yoursand any
deviation from that opinion seems to bug you no end end.*"
=> What I seem to think may not be what I actually think. its your
imagination about me, well covered by your right to have an
opinion/imagination. I do not need to say anything about it. Please continue
to think whatever you want to think. All the best...

*"grow upstop behaving like a BRAT..remember it takes all kinds of
people  to make this beautiful world...you are only one of the kind
there are many other kinds."*
=> Thank you twice over. First for the advice to grow up and stop being a
brat. Second, for recognising that I am one of the beautiful people among
others. Now as to the advice, I will choose to ignore it. My privilege. I
will be a brat if I want to be a brat. And I will not grow up if I do not
want to grow up. Tough shit...

*"And many have brains.dont think that GOD has only given you
brains.and others are morons"*
=> Certainly many have brains, no contest on that. As to what I should or
should not think is my privilege, so thanks again for the advice, but I
shall chose to ignore it. I will think what I want to think. As to whether
others are morons, again, much like you have the right to think what you
will about me, and I have the right to think what I will about the Spamdev,
I also have the right to think someone is a moron, and if I do that there is
precious little you or anyone else can do about it. It works like this - if
you are a genius, but I feel that you are an idiot, for all intents and
purpose you are an idiot as far as I am concerned. Again kind of tough
shit...

Best regards,
Aditya Bonyopadhyay

On 29 May 2011 22:37, Karna Mehta  wrote:

>
>
> You confirm by this mail that you are 100% INSNSITIVE
>
> You may not like him or his ways / teachings / philosophy / political
> solutions..
>
> What makes you think that you have the right to go out of the way and show
> your
> pathetic talent in poetry..or whatever it is. and your
> disrespect
>
> You seem to think that there is only one opinion.yoursand any
> deviation
> from that opinion seems to bug you no end end.
>
> grow upstop behaving like a BRAT..remember it takes all kinds of
> people
> to 

Re: g_b Babaji's Fast

2011-05-29 Thread Karna Mehta
You confirm by this mail that you are 100% INSNSITIVE

You may not like him or his ways / teachings / philosophy / political
solutions..

What makes you think that you have the right to go out of the way and show your
pathetic talent in poetry..or whatever it is. and your disrespect

You seem to think that there is only one opinion.yoursand any deviation
from that opinion seems to bug you no end end.

grow upstop behaving like a BRAT..remember it takes all kinds of people 
to make this beautiful world...you are only one of the kind there are many
other kinds.

And many have brains.dont think that GOD has only given you brains.and
others are morons



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 On Fri, 27 May 2011, Aditya Bondyopadhyay (adit.b...@gmail.com) wrote:

Baba Spamdev, of Pat-&-Jolly ass-romp will refuse to eat till he dies.
Rejoice guys and pray he succeeeds..






Re: Re: g_b Need Mr.Right for Matrimony & stable Long term relationship

2011-05-25 Thread Karna Mehta
You behave like a smart Alec with your snoot high in the air!
Just because you have been lucky in having a good long term ongoing relationsh
you seem to make wisecracks at those not so lucky and trying desperately to get
a 
good partner.
I wish your sarcasm gets to you very badly some day.
Your remarks are uncalled for in this instance...
This does not concern you.
Yet you make your remarks.
Learn to be generous and sensetive to others feelings.
You are plain insensitive..




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 On Sun, 22 May 2011, Aditya Bondyopadhyay (adit.b...@gmail.com) wrote:

Wish you all the best. You must have had lots of personal experience with
many LTRs to know so many things about it.
:-))
Aditya Bondyopadhyay

On 21 May 2011 20:41, bestpal...@ymail.com  wrote:

>
>
> About Myself - 32/6.2ft/Wheatish/easy going from decent family background.
> I am looking for LTR from presentable-good looking guys, from good family
> with decent Education.A beautiful life does not just happen.It is built
> daily in achievement, humility, sacrifice & love. Love and friendship are
> two wonderful feelings.Nothing comes easy in life easily, especially the
> best parts. Beauty and colors may attract the eye, but that's not all.
> Relationship & friendship doesn't work merely on our physical looks, but on
> real things that we have inside.
>
> I really don't believe in Virtual relationship. I am sensible enough to
> support you through mails & personal calls, till we meet up. You should be
> interested in living together and form family with children
>
> This ad is for guys who believe in quality of life, guys who may be however
> dedicated or successful at work, who needs emotional anchoring; for whom
> being rooted in the family is very important. Guys who need security, trust,
> faith, dignity, love and self respect.You wouldn't have to bucket your
> feelings and actions because a relationship happens when their are no
> pretense or facade from the beginning and just enjoy being with the other
> being who you are!
>
> If you are interested, please get in touch with me!
>
>  
>



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Re: g_b mumbai

2011-02-12 Thread Karna Mehta

Hi,

If you are in to matured men do reply
I am 50+, 5ft 8, 85 kg and love young guys like you




g_b Anyone for true friendship ?

2008-08-08 Thread Karna Mehta
Hi,
I am interested in friendship.

However i am 50+ but love to interact with guys not necessarily forone night
stands.

I am sensitive to others and like to make friends.

I also come to Andheri (East)on official work.

Want to meet up?

Best Wishes
Ashok



Re: g_b questions?

2007-08-26 Thread Karna Mehta

Hi,
In Indian terms you have around 300,000 rupees to spend per month.
Housing is depending on the area you want to stay in and can range between
affordable to very costly. Medical is ok on your budget - not very costly.
Household help is cheap - you can live like a lord with driver, cook, househelp.
This should be a good guide.
You may write for mor info if required.
Enjoy retirement!




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 On Thu, 23 Aug 2007, norm ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

are there any other members of this group who have
retired in the mumbai area?,how is the housing,
medical,household help ?we we an american couple( non
southeast asian who are thinking of retireing in
mumbai and have almost 7 thousand us$ to retire on
monthly.norm


   

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Re: g_b hunky town

2007-06-05 Thread Karna Mehta
Palash Bose must be a lucky photographer to have 8 hunks with mind blowing bods
all with shirts off at his command for the shots. Must have enjiyed himself for
quite a long time..Any more of these shots ?





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Re: g_b who can reply as all criticised indian players for their defeat

2007-04-03 Thread Karna Mehta
indira gandhi is responsible because she created Bangladeshand dear
Hanumannow what did he do??





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Re: g_b Black Magic Night @ NOIR, Le Meridien, Bangalore on 18th March 07...

2007-03-08 Thread Karna Mehta
Hi,
Is this a gay event?.not very clear from your messageWould be happy if
you ncould clarify
lol





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 On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, seth_plate1976 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> Black Magic Night @ NOIR
> 
> Leave your poisons at home and hallucinate on a dose of psychedelic desi
remixes with 
> class and style
> 
> Don those "big" sun glasses and go wild on "vivid" sound at the uber-chic club
NOIR @ 
> Hotel Le Meridien, Bangalore on 18th March 2007 from 7pm onwards.
> 
> Scene to be seen in!
> 
> Special gifts for your gal pals as an extension of Women's Day celebration!
> Secret surprises lurk within! ;-)
> 
> Minimum requirements:
> 
> 1) 550/-
> 2) Sunglasses
> 3) Black togs
> 4) Hottitude!!
> 
> You get:
> ===
> 1) Two large drinks with mixers or a pint of beer
> 2) Veg n non-veg starters 
> 
> Disclaimer:
> ==
> 1) May cause blindness without sunglasses! :-)
> 2) In case you OD, dance harder!!
> 
> PS:
> ===
> * Good As You, as a support group, has created this comfort/safe space. This
is the first 
> party at a 5 star property. So please be sensitive to the comfort levels of
others and 
> behave and dress accordingly.
> 
> * If found indulging in any "hanky panky" you shall be asked to leave the
party.
> 
> * A special REQUEST: During and after the party please DO NOT gather outside
the venue. 
> The management has requested us to ensure that, in the middle of the night,
the peace of 
> the neighbourhood is not disturbed.  
> 
> * Rights of admission reserved.
> * Dinner will not be served.
> 
> 



Re: Re: g_b Reservations

2006-05-21 Thread Karna Mehta



My humble suggestion on this subject

1. The founding fathers of the constitution put in reservation for a temporary
period to raise standards of the backward classes, This was the thought behind
the reservation.

2. They had not bargained for likes of VP Singh and Arjun Singh who would use
this to gain votes and divide the country on caste lines.

3. It is said that the kind person is one who teaches a hungry man how to fish.
So that he does not go hungry ever. Our politicians give the hungry man a fish
to eat and satisfy their hunger temorarily until he feels hungry again.

4. The politicians do not want the backward classes to stand on their feet. They
want them to be dependent on them and hence they advocate reservations.

5.They deny the backward classes the basic foundation of good primary and
secondary education,. Because once this is done the backward classes will stand
on their own feet and the vote bank of the politicians will vanish.

6. The rich among the backward are fully aware of this. But they are aligned
with the politicians and they want their community to remain backward. It suits
them fine.

So who is the loser in this game of reservation.
THINK.





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 On Fri, 19 May 2006, ryan figueiredo ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:

> dear milin
>   there is soo much debate about the reservation now and there has always been
a continous debate
> since independence... i understand the angst of those affected  and understand
the merit of your
> argument but the truth is that the reservation is prolly one of the best forms
of social protection
> that our constituton guarantees...i jus had a convo with someone today who
said we dont need
> reservations in modern india the truth is 90 of india is still what it was
in 1947 and not much
> has changed socially or economically for a large portion of rural india... we
still hear of caste
> based oppression and we still hear of murder and rape inflicted on the lower
castes...just because
> the urbane see and experience the new india... for a large majority little or
nothing has changed...
>    
>   as for yur argument of quality and the outcomes of education... how many
doctors choose to man
> public health centers and government hospitals in rural india? how many of the
engineers and
> technical specialists wouldnt jump at an opportunity to leave the country at
the word go... my
> argument is simple... if there is service or opportunity everyone must have an
equal chance SCs/
> STs and OBC should have a special concession because of their historical and
present
> marginalisation...
>    
>   i think it is unfair to compare india with any other country. india is
unique in its diversity...
> that we have been able to hold fast to the reins even after 50 years is no
small feat... if we blame
> the government... we also must blame ourselves... how many of us vote? and is
that vote issue based /
> caste based/ party based
>   i dont think we can jus wake up suddenly when it is convenient to us and
point fingers at the
> government... i think we are equally responsible...
>   striking and protesting is all very good...and more so when the issue
impacts us...
>   how many people protested godhra or 377 or the demolitions or the riots 
> ...i have a problem with 'selective activism' while conveniently blaming the
government or system
> when the shoe begins to bite us
>    
>   if our concern is india... all india's concerns become ours... the logic is
simple and
> unpretensious if the reservation is an issue ... so must be the atrocities
against lower castes,
> their mindless killing and abuse.. we should be vociferous on both counts...
>    
>   this false sense of nationalism annoys me tremendously...we continually
speak of of india as a
> superpower my question is why do we need that? and why do we need to prove
anything to anyone?
>   i think every nation has its own inherent strength as a collectivewe are
a collective of
> collectives...and that is a strength very few countries have... 
>    
>   now i must stop this rambling
>    
>   till later!
>    
>   ryan
>   Ps excuse the typos .. havent proof read
>    
>    
>    
>   milin shah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Med students on hunger strike in Delhi.96 hrs,94 collasped.All
Media prohibited from
> covering by govt.
> Why do we need caste based reservations. Why aren't our politicians making
economically backward
> based reservations? Just to get votes
>   Why do our politicians divide us on caste bases.Just so that they get
votes(Divide and Rule)
>   The British monrachy divided India into 5 zones (East,West,North,South
Central) and could manage
> whole of India(including Pakistan and Bangladesh and Srilanka) sitting in
England.And our politicians
> sitting in their own states in their own house cant manage it.
>   

Re: Re: g_b Marriage is a world-wide accepted tradition

2006-03-29 Thread Karna Mehta
Dear Salil / Sumeet,

Both of you are missing a vital point.

The value system of a person that he has acquired in life from his parents, the
society he has lived in and the environment. This value system is DIFFERENT for
different person. It is this value system that makes people act differently to a
given situation and be comfortable with their acts.

Gays and marraige is the situation.
Some marry and see nothing wrong with it and adjust with their wife and self.
Others think that it is completely wrong.
Who is to decide what is correct?
To each his own. No point in pushing one's convictions down another's throat.
Results in unnecessary fruitless arguments because each is going to be guided
his value system.

Think it over.
Society will evolve and the issue will be resolved. Till then we can keep
arguing.





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 On Tue, 28 Mar 2006, Salil ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

>  
>   Yes, Sumeet, I respect the tradition of marriage. It provides an anchor to
life, makes the man
> familial, creates stability in society, and creates a mutual support system in
old age. So now that
> we agree on all this, will you join me in wanting that gay marriage be allowed
in india so that I can
> marry my partner soon enough ? He and I have waited for some years now, and it
looks like this
> "society" which respects the tradition of marriage, doesn't want me to
participate in that tradition
> just because I love a man and not a woman. Will you wish me an early marriage
or none at all ? I am
> sure I and my partner will have a marriage that covers all the good points you
mentioned about
> marriage. 
>
>   By the way, what happens if you tell your wife that you have been having sex
with other men, and
> assuming she is financially independent, she separates from you, meets another
man and gets remarried
> in the next 3 months ? You are the one who will hear nasty and hurtful
comments from "society", not
> she. So whom are you really protecting by keeping your mouth shut - yourself
or your wife ? 
>
>   You have said that in earlier days gay men were happy getting married, so
what has changed now -
> how do you know that they were happy - who told you ? I say they were not
happy but miserable - how
> do you know either way ?
>
>   Regards
>   Salil
> 
> Sumeet Mehra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Marriage is a world-wide accepted tradition. People from different
community may not agree on any
> other matters, but everyone agrees on the tradition to marry. This acceptance
is not of few years ago
> but of many centuries ago. Since then there were people liking sex with same
gender. But they all use
> to marry. Yes they were not treated indifferent, adhura or as gud/gay. 
>
>   Then suddenly what has made a change? They lived their part of life very
well in those days. Then
> why not now? What is striking your heavens? They were never told that they
could not marry a female
> and have their own family. 
>
>   The true and real reason of marriage is infact getting lost. Guys
don’t know the meaning of
> marriage. Marriage is an anchor, it does not let you stray. By changing the
meaning of marriage, you
> guys will ruin the face of the world.
>   Marriage makes a man responsible because he is family oriented. But guys who
don not want to marry,
> how would they understand the importance of marriage? 
>
>   Some guys even say that one should not hide their likes for guys to his
wife. But do they know that
> some things are good till they are in closet.
>   All types of Truth is not for everyone. Some matter become more bitter if
told and could ruin the
> life. By no means one can call this cheating because it’s not to harms
anyone’s happiness. I care for
> their happiness so I hide it. If at all I disclose it and if she accepts it,
then the anchor will be
> gone. Its human tendency, we become shameless when accepted.
>   So guys grow up. How can one think only for his own benefits? How can one
overlook the harm that
> can be caused to the society/world that we live in? 
>
>   Someone here told once that we get one life to live. So we need to live for
our happiness. Then
> where do we differentiate ourselves from animals?
>   Even animals live for themselves. They open their mouth and the food is
gulped down in their
> stomach. But humans have hands, they collect it and share it with their
family. Family, often heard
> word, but mostly ignored by certain guys in this list. Now even you guys will
be in need to change
> the meaning of family. 
>
>   I read a mail of one guy, don know his name. He stated that the day his bf
allows him to go for
> adoption he will adopt a child. I think he is still in his fantasies. He does
not know the legal
> proceedings of adoption. Alice Please come out of your wonderland! He thinks
the orphanage people are
> waiting for 

Re: Re: g_b Re: In reiteration of Aditya's "Gist of the long brawl on married gits"

2006-03-26 Thread Karna Mehta
ah! so you believe in a GAY GHETTO...isolated.that is the problem.

All what is discussed here is how gays can be accepted and be a part of the
hetrosexual societyis it not??? then is it right to ignore the
hetrosexual part of society at all..and talk of a set of rules and laws ONLY
for gays

Salil I am sure help must have come to quite a few gays who are under pressure
to marry by societymakes you feel nicebut what about the other million
out there who have no help from the helping angels you mentionany
solutionany suggestion... or you just want to damn them.






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 On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Salil ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> Gays may not be the only people getting into loveless  marriages knowingly,
but this is a gay list so
> we are bound to discuss gay people here.
>
>   The fact that straight people do something does not justify it.
>
>   Why do you assume that people who have written here criticizing gay men who
succumbed to marriage
> pressures, have done nothing to help someone who is under such pressure ?
>    
>   Regards
>   Salil
> 
> Karna Mehta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   just a thought...another opinion not expressed so far...
> 
> gays are being critisized for marraying and spoiling a girl's life.
> Are the gays the only one doing this?
> 
> How many hetrosexuals spoil girls life calmly by entering into a loveless
> marraige due to parental pressures,need for money,tying up two families and so
> many other numerous reasons.
> 
> I am not justifying either case. But only highlighting that only the gays do
not
> enter a loveless marraige. In case of hetrosexuals the loveless marraige may
> account for more than 50% in case of India.Just mull it over. Amongst 
> hetrosexuals the loveless marraige numbers must be staggering.
> 
> Again not all gays are that educated or self confident, or financially
> independent or that courageous to face society by coming out or that
independent
> to face life alone.
> 
> Gays are also human with all their fallacies. In this discussion we are not
> being practical in my humble opinion. Thetre can be no one view on gay
> marraiges. Circumstances, personality of the gay, financial conditions force
> many to compromise on so many issues that is against their consience . But he
> has to be practical to continue with life the way he can handle it. And not
all
> men can handle or are capable of handling a given situation in the best/moral
> way. comprmise and being practical is LIFE.
> 
> And so the gay or hetrosexual choose a path that they can handle. And in my
> opinion no one has a right to pass a judgement on this unless he helps the
> person to overcome or alter the conditions dictating his choice.
> 
> Am I wrong?.
> 
> 
> 
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> 
>  On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, luvguys30 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 
> > Hi guys,  I don't know how many of you have watched Jabbar
> > Patel's "Subah" (Umbartha in Marathi), wherein the legendary
> > actress Smita Patil gave her best known performance.  In this movie,
> > Patil plays an idealistic superintendent of a women's reform
> > facility. There is a very well written scene. Two inmates are found and
> > exposed as being sexually involved with one another. The rest of the
> > inmates lobby for these two girls to be thrown out. The Board of
> > Trustees wish the same. However Patil fights on behalf of the lesbians. 
> > "Try to understand their forlorn condition" patil tells agitating women.
> > "Let them go to hell. They should be thrown out at any cost"
> > demand furious inmates.  "Their situation is as hopeless as yours.
> > If thrown out, where will they go?"  Patil. 
"Let
> > them go to dogs. Their behaviour is immoral and unethical. They are
> > evils."  inmates.  "Don't forget, about all of
> > you the society thinks exactly the same"  Patil.

> > "Where society allows us to live among them? They have thrown us in
> > this hell."  inmates.  "So, with that logic you
> will
> > not allow them to live among you?"  Patil.  I
> recalled
> > this scene while reading the mails on the subject.  Samir
> > --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, "utkarsh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > First of all, Aditya that was a h

Re: g_b Re: In reiteration of Aditya's "Gist of the long brawl on married gits"

2006-03-21 Thread Karna Mehta
just a thought...another opinion not expressed so far...

gays are being critisized for marraying and spoiling a girl's life.
Are the gays the only one doing this?

How many hetrosexuals spoil girls life calmly by entering into a loveless
marraige due to parental pressures,need for money,tying up two families and so
many other numerous reasons.

I am not justifying either case. But only highlighting that only the gays do not
enter a loveless marraige. In case of hetrosexuals the loveless marraige may
account for more than 50% in case of India.Just mull it over. Amongst 
hetrosexuals the loveless marraige numbers must be staggering.

Again not all gays are that educated or self confident, or financially
independent or that courageous to face society by coming out or that independent
to face life alone.

Gays are also human with all their fallacies. In this discussion we are not
being practical in my humble opinion. Thetre can be no one view on gay
marraiges. Circumstances, personality of the gay, financial conditions force
many to compromise on so many issues that is against their consience . But he
has to be practical to continue with life the way he can handle it. And not all
men can handle or are capable of handling a given situation in the best/moral
way. comprmise and being practical is LIFE.

And so the gay or hetrosexual choose a path that they can handle. And in my
opinion no one has a right to pass a judgement on this unless he helps the
person to overcome or alter the conditions dictating his choice.

Am I wrong?.



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 On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, luvguys30 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> Hi guys,  I don't know how many of you have watched Jabbar
> Patel's "Subah" (Umbartha in Marathi), wherein the legendary
> actress Smita Patil gave her best known performance.  In this movie,
> Patil plays an idealistic superintendent of a women's reform
> facility. There is a very well written scene. Two inmates are found and
> exposed as being sexually involved with one another. The rest of the
> inmates lobby for these two girls to be thrown out. The Board of
> Trustees wish the same. However Patil fights on behalf of the lesbians. 
> "Try to understand their forlorn condition" patil tells agitating women.
> "Let them go to hell. They should be thrown out at any cost"
> demand furious inmates.  "Their situation is as hopeless as yours.
> If thrown out, where will they go?"  Patil.  "Let
> them go to dogs. Their behaviour is immoral and unethical. They are
> evils."  inmates.  "Don't forget, about all of
> you the society thinks exactly the same"  Patil. 
> "Where society allows us to live among them? They have thrown us in
> this hell."  inmates.  "So, with that logic you
will
> not allow them to live among you?"  Patil.  I
recalled
> this scene while reading the mails on the subject.  Samir
> --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, "utkarsh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > First of all, Aditya that was a hell of a good read!... and very much
> > true. I love your writing style!
> >
> > Now to the point... I have come across many messages from the group by
> > people that have a lesser understanding of the english language - this
> > is for them; i.e. a simplification of what Aditya wrote in my own
> > words which are more straight forward because I could never be that
> > eloquent even if I tried... once again, hats off to you Aditya!
> >
> > And the Lord said:
> >
> > Don't have sex or sexual relations behind the back of your wife
> > because it is simply adultery and a nasty thing to do... if you really
> > must, then your wife has EVERY GOD DAMN FUCKING RIGHT to be told about
> > it (and then make a decision and stand on the issue for herself)!!!
> > Hiding something like this is criminal... Period.
> >
> > If you're not married but on the threshold of it - tell that girl
> > about your inclinations and don't (I repeat myself) DO NOT HIDE IT
> > FROM HER!!! That simply amounts to LYING by OMISSION and LYING IS A
> > BAD THING!!! Period.
> >
> > It never stops amazing me at exactly how good people are at justifying
> > their "sins". If people were more honest (that is not to say blunt
> > and/or TACTLESS - just more honest) then this world would be a much
> > better place.
> >
> > Finally - tact... TACT does NOT equate with OMISSION of the truth! It
> > only means that you will phrase your confession in a way that the
> > other person will hear it instead of fainting dead away.
> >
> > GOT IT?
> >
> > (Really, it REALLY amazes me at how people justify wrong-doing with
> > absolute bullshit! GROW UP guys, stand up and be just and good, don't
> > give in to the temptation of sparing your dignity. Stand up and face
> > the possiblity of criticism and possibly insult like a "Man"! That is
> > called good Karma!)
> >
> > Anyhow, I could rant and rave and 

Re: g_b Please Wish Me Good Luck!!

2006-03-19 Thread Karna Mehta

I pray to God to give you the courage and wisdom to deal with the challenge and
you have our best wishes, blessings and moral support as always as the member of
this group. Do not be afraid .sab theek ho jayega..




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 On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, walnut ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

>   Dear Friends,
> Good Morning! 
> From today onwards I will be entering the toughest phase of my life and it
would definitely have
> some, either stronger or lighter, impact on my personal life, physical health
and metal peace! 
> I am bit nervous and scared of the repercussions and still see no clue of
whats gonna happen next
> in the darkness ahead. 
> I am so nervous that I can not share this personal thing with you all, at
this point of time, and
> some of you who know me very well, know what I am going through. 
> I am writing this email because there is no one close to me other than the
group members, and I
> find this group like my family when I am low, disheartened and disappointed. 
> I would definitely share my experience with everyone, the moment the tough
part is over, but to
> overcome this challenge I need your best wishes, blessings and moral support.
> I would continue to lead my normal life but from within I would always be
worried, scared and
> broken.
> Please pray for me to your God, Allah, Bhagvan everyone and wish that I
come out winning with
> flying colours!
> I need your support.
> With Luv,
> Yours sincerely,
> Walnut
>   
>   
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Re: RE: g_b Support us - resident doctors of Maharashtra state

2006-03-11 Thread Karna Mehta

Somu,
I am afraid that we are already like a call-cetre Hire/Fire since decades in the
unorganised, small scale and farm sectors. Nobody ever talks about them in the
media and they are not in the news.

The well heeled are the only ones talked about, supported by the politicians for
their ability to hold society at ransom and given coverage by the media.This
group once hired can never be fired whether they work or not for their salaries.
So the hire and fire is not applicable to this group. Once hired no one can
fire. In my opinion this group requires remedy badly.

And therein lies the inequality.




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 On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, maiaurmerasaya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> Yes Mr Mehta, I know what you talkin' about. But then who am I to judge who is
to be allowd and who's
> not? If there is a right, its got to be same for everyone...well-heeled or not
so well-heeled. 
>
>   But the bottomline is that it will be a VERY sad day for all of us if and
when our country starts
> functioning like call centres...with a corporate autocracy..."WE will hire you
and fire you anytime
> that WE like and you will never have a say??
>   
>  
>   
> Karna Mehta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Somu says"And so let there be more protests…more taking to the
> streets….more voices to say “I don’t agree” or in
better
> words “Civil Disobedience”? As that’s the only way to
change."
> 
> What you say is frightening
> The protests and taking to the streets will be done by the really well heeled
> Indiansgovt. employees, railway employees, nationalised bank employees,
> state electricity boards employees, the muncipal employees .etc. We are
well
> aware of these groups.
> It is rarely that we come across a genuine protest that deserves taking to the
> streets.so I would be careful of an across the board advise on protests.
The
> wrong ones will heed the advice and society at large will suffer.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
>  On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, maiaurmerasaya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 
> > Ah Ha! Looks like Sweet Angel will make a GREAT ceo of a multinational or
may
> be a Poster Boy of our
> > fascist government. 
> >
> >   But remember... PROTESTS are the only tools that you have as a citizen of
a
> so called democratic
> > (read replacements of tissues for the American govt) country for any change.
I
> am sure it doesnt
> > matter much for the educated urban lot, because this goverment does cater
only
> to this crowd (or does
> > it?). But it might make sense for you to just go to a village...feel a bit
of
> rural India (which is
> > what most of India is)and you will know what’s happening there.
> It’s all crumpling up under the
> > shrink-wrapped urban India of shopping malls and multiplexes.
> >
> >   And that’s exactly where Protests come in….because someone has
> to stand up and say “this is not
> > acceptable to me” I mean you cant take any shit that come your
> way…can you?? And come on…you are
> > loosing every bit of your freedom day by day…don’t ever say it
> again. Because once it’s taken away
> > from you, you will have a hard time getting it back. 
> >
> >   And so let there be more protests…more taking to the
> streets….more voices to say “I don’t agree” or
> > in better words “Civil Disobedience”? As that’s the only
way
> to change. 
> >
> >   Somu
> >  
> >
> >   
> > 
> > Sweet Angel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> >   I can understand the hardships you must have had to face. (Frankly I
> dont understand them at
> > all, as I know not what hardships u face).
> >   But lets come to the point. Its high time the govt kept a blanket ban on
all
> sorts of strikes
> > across the country. Not just for doctors, but all essential services like
the
> airport unions, BEST,
> > railway workers, bank workers etc.
> >   Not that people dont support you, but that these strikes cause untold
> hardship to the common man &
> > not to say a great economic loss to the country.
> >   I hope you find a PG accomadation soon. As for another job (I have heard
the
> Govt is getting
> > replacements for all the doctors), I would advise you to join a call centre.
I
> hear they need medical
> > people for medical transcriptions etc.
> >   By the way, you w

Re: RE: g_b Support us - resident doctors of Maharashtra state

2006-03-09 Thread Karna Mehta
 Somu says"And so let there be more protests…more taking to the
streets….more voices to say “I don’t agree” or in better
words “Civil Disobedience”? As that’s the only way to change."

What you say is frightening
The protests and taking to the streets will be done by the really well heeled
Indiansgovt. employees, railway employees, nationalised bank employees,
state electricity boards employees, the muncipal employees .etc. We are well
aware of these groups.
It is rarely that we come across a genuine protest that deserves taking to the
streets.so I would be careful of an across the board advise on protests. The
wrong ones will heed the advice and society at large will suffer.






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 On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, maiaurmerasaya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> Ah Ha! Looks like Sweet Angel will make a GREAT ceo of a multinational or may
be a Poster Boy of our
> fascist government. 
>
>   But remember... PROTESTS are the only tools that you have as a citizen of a
so called democratic
> (read replacements of tissues for the American govt) country for any change. I
am sure it doesnt
> matter much for the educated urban lot, because this goverment does cater only
to this crowd (or does
> it?). But it might make sense for you to just go to a village...feel a bit of
rural India (which is
> what most of India is)and you will know what’s happening there.
It’s all crumpling up under the
> shrink-wrapped urban India of shopping malls and multiplexes.
>
>   And that’s exactly where Protests come in….because someone has
to stand up and say “this is not
> acceptable to me” I mean you cant take any shit that come your
way…can you?? And come on…you are
> loosing every bit of your freedom day by day…don’t ever say it
again. Because once it’s taken away
> from you, you will have a hard time getting it back. 
>
>   And so let there be more protests…more taking to the
streets….more voices to say “I don’t agree” or
> in better words “Civil Disobedience”? As that’s the only way
to change. 
>
>   Somu
>  
>
>   
> 
> Sweet Angel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>   I can understand the hardships you must have had to face. (Frankly I
dont understand them at
> all, as I know not what hardships u face).
>   But lets come to the point. Its high time the govt kept a blanket ban on all
sorts of strikes
> across the country. Not just for doctors, but all essential services like the
airport unions, BEST,
> railway workers, bank workers etc.
>   Not that people dont support you, but that these strikes cause untold
hardship to the common man &
> not to say a great economic loss to the country.
>   I hope you find a PG accomadation soon. As for another job (I have heard the
Govt is getting
> replacements for all the doctors), I would advise you to join a call centre. I
hear they need medical
> people for medical transcriptions etc.
>   By the way, you wont get any media write up if you decide to hold a strike
in a call centre. The
> only write up you would get is your resignation letter.
>   Good Luck and hope you take your next job a little more seriously.
> 
> 
> 
> -
>   From: "Kris Bass" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com
> Fri, 03 Mar 2006 22:15:18 -0800 (PST)
> Received: by 10.64.208.20 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 22:15:18 -0800 (PST)
> 
> I'm a representative of the whole of resident doctors in the State of
> Maharashtra who have gone on strike for demanding our basic rights.
> Please support our cause and spread the news around. Kindly visit our
> blog and show us your support.
> 
> http://mard-strike.blogspot.com
> 
> On a more personal note, I'm one of the 50 resident who received their
> termination notices. I've been asked to evacuate my room.
> 
> Please spread the news around and show us your support.
> 
> Waiting in anticipation,
> 
> Kris
> 
> 
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