Re: [Geany-devel] Dropping Waf support?
On 16/07/2012 18:36, Enrico Tröger wrote: the make/MSYS build system support seems to get better and better due to Nick's and Dimitar's work on it Well, it's quite basic and needs a bit more work like allowing overridden CFLAGS. It doesn't install files like README, geany.html, etc. It also doesn't regenerate dependencies for each source file on-the-fly like autotools (and I expect Waf) does. It wouldn't bother me if Waf support was removed, but OTOH it looks like quite a lot of work went into it. I don't mind adding obvious updates to wscript when necessary, but can't promise to test them ;-) Nick ___ Geany-devel mailing list Geany-devel@uvena.de https://lists.uvena.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geany-devel
Re: [Geany-devel] Dropping Waf support?
Am 16.07.2012 19:36, schrieb Enrico Tröger: > Hey all, > > this topic has been brought up already a couple of times, for example on > [1]. > > What do you think about dropping Waf support in Geany and in the > Geany-Plugins project? > > While I was defending Waf in Geany, I somewhat changed my mind. Not > because I don't like it anymore, but I increasingly see the efforts in > maintaining two (to be exactly three for Geany) build systems is too > much. Since the make/MSYS build system support seems to get better and > better due to Nick's and Dimitar's work on it, I thought about dropping > the Waf support. It seems nobody knows it well enough and probably > except for a few users nobody is using it. > (And obviously I don't do so much anymore and also lost a bit interest > in maintaining forever.) > > The other thing is that Waf causes often problems for distro packages, > especially for the Debian folks [2]. > > So, I'd go the easy way in this case and just remove Waf. Then we only > need to maintain the autotools based build system for non-Windows > systems and the make based for Windows. > > For Geany-Plugins, we would need to get something working on Windows but > maybe we could re-use Geany's make based system for Windows here. > > What do you guys think? As long as I don't need to maintain autotools I'm fine with every solution I just never understood how it really works even I tried a couple of times. ;) However: One good maintained system is better than 2 doing different things. Cheers, Frank ___ Geany-devel mailing list Geany-devel@uvena.de https://lists.uvena.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geany-devel
Re: [Geany-devel] Dropping Waf support?
On 12-07-16 10:36 AM, Enrico Tröger wrote: Hey all, this topic has been brought up already a couple of times, for example on [1]. What do you think about dropping Waf support in Geany and in the Geany-Plugins project? While I was defending Waf in Geany, I somewhat changed my mind. Not because I don't like it anymore, but I increasingly see the efforts in maintaining two (to be exactly three for Geany) build systems is too much. Since the make/MSYS build system support seems to get better and better due to Nick's and Dimitar's work on it, I thought about dropping the Waf support. It seems nobody knows it well enough and probably except for a few users nobody is using it. (And obviously I don't do so much anymore and also lost a bit interest in maintaining forever.) The other thing is that Waf causes often problems for distro packages, especially for the Debian folks [2]. So, I'd go the easy way in this case and just remove Waf. Then we only need to maintain the autotools based build system for non-Windows systems and the make based for Windows. For Geany-Plugins, we would need to get something working on Windows but maybe we could re-use Geany's make based system for Windows here. What do you guys think? Sounds fine to me as long as it doesn't mess up your great Windows builds. In a perfect world we could also eventually drop (or not rely on) the Windows Make files too since it seems like with a proper Mingw/MSYS setup the Autotools stuff is supposed work I think. I know the last time I tried it didn't work, but it's probably not something that can't be fixed. So +1 to getting rid of Waf, also not because it's bad, just because it's extra work for little benefit (to me at least). Cheers, Matthew Brush ___ Geany-devel mailing list Geany-devel@uvena.de https://lists.uvena.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geany-devel
Re: [Geany-devel] Dropping Waf support?
Le 16/07/2012 19:36, Enrico Tröger a écrit : > Hey all, > > this topic has been brought up already a couple of times, for example on > [1]. > > What do you think about dropping Waf support in Geany and in the > Geany-Plugins project? > > While I was defending Waf in Geany, I somewhat changed my mind. Not > because I don't like it anymore, but I increasingly see the efforts in > maintaining two (to be exactly three for Geany) build systems is too > much. Since the make/MSYS build system support seems to get better and > better due to Nick's and Dimitar's work on it, I thought about dropping > the Waf support. It seems nobody knows it well enough and probably > except for a few users nobody is using it. > (And obviously I don't do so much anymore and also lost a bit interest > in maintaining forever.) > > The other thing is that Waf causes often problems for distro packages, > especially for the Debian folks [2]. > > So, I'd go the easy way in this case and just remove Waf. Then we only > need to maintain the autotools based build system for non-Windows > systems and the make based for Windows. > > For Geany-Plugins, we would need to get something working on Windows but > maybe we could re-use Geany's make based system for Windows here. > > > What do you guys think? I don't mind much, since I don't use Waf nor build on Windows myself. But yes, I agree that it Autotools and Windows-specific makefiles covers all platforms there is no need to maintain an N-th build system. This said, the only time I wanted to build on Windows I used Waf -- though I haven't even tried the specific makefiles. So I don't mind, but I probably won't maintain Waf either because of a lack of interest and knowledge. My 2¢. Regards, Colomban > > > [1] > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3460449&group_id=153444&atid=787794 > [2] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=645190 > > Regards, > Enrico ___ Geany-devel mailing list Geany-devel@uvena.de https://lists.uvena.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geany-devel
[Geany-devel] Dropping Waf support?
Hey all, this topic has been brought up already a couple of times, for example on [1]. What do you think about dropping Waf support in Geany and in the Geany-Plugins project? While I was defending Waf in Geany, I somewhat changed my mind. Not because I don't like it anymore, but I increasingly see the efforts in maintaining two (to be exactly three for Geany) build systems is too much. Since the make/MSYS build system support seems to get better and better due to Nick's and Dimitar's work on it, I thought about dropping the Waf support. It seems nobody knows it well enough and probably except for a few users nobody is using it. (And obviously I don't do so much anymore and also lost a bit interest in maintaining forever.) The other thing is that Waf causes often problems for distro packages, especially for the Debian folks [2]. So, I'd go the easy way in this case and just remove Waf. Then we only need to maintain the autotools based build system for non-Windows systems and the make based for Windows. For Geany-Plugins, we would need to get something working on Windows but maybe we could re-use Geany's make based system for Windows here. What do you guys think? [1] http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3460449&group_id=153444&atid=787794 [2] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=645190 Regards, Enrico -- Get my GPG key from http://www.uvena.de/pub.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Geany-devel mailing list Geany-devel@uvena.de https://lists.uvena.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geany-devel
