Re: gEDA-user: Automatic repositioning to attributes
Em Qui, 2006-10-19 às 20:00 +0200, Carlos Nieves Ónega escreveu: From your comment, I guess the refdes attribute position depends on the type of the symbol: if it's a resistor or a capacitor then you want it at one place, but if it's an IC, then you put it at another place. Am I right?. This is not currently possible, but I think it could be done. I'd really appreciate if you could give this new feature a try and let me know what points can be improved. Thanks, Carlos Yes, depends on the type. But I made some adjustments to the table: ; Component attributes ; One direction (refdes -25 25 Middle LeftLower Right0 (value -25 -25 Middle LeftUpper Right0 (refdes 25 25 Middle Right Lower Left 0 (value 25 -25 Middle Right Upper Left 0 (refdesv 0 -25 Lower Middle Upper Middle 0 (value v 0 -100 Lower Middle Upper Middle 0 (refdes^ 0 25 Upper Middle Lower Middle 0 (value ^ 0 100 Upper Middle Lower Middle 0 ; Two directions (refdes 025 Upper Middle Lower Middle 0) (value 0 -25 Lower Middle Upper Middle (refdes^v2550 Middle Right Lower Left0) (value ^v25 -50 Middle Right Upper Left0) ; Three directions (refdes^v -25 50 Middle Left Lower Right0) (value ^v -25 -50 Middle Left Upper Right0) (refdes^v25 50 Middle Right Lower Left 0) (value ^v25 -50 Middle Right Upper Left 0) (refdesv -50 -50 Lower Middle Upper Right0) (value v50 -50 Lower Middle Upper Left 0) (refdes^ -50 50 Upper Middle Lower Right0) (value ^50 50 Upper Middle Lower Left 0) ; Four directions ;(refdes^v 300 50 Upper LeftLower Left 0) ;(value ^v -300 50 Upper Right Lower Right0) )) So, the result is great! Congratulations for the routines. Many anchors had been modified, and I think the 25 mils must be 50 to original gEDA symbols. In our case 25 is better, because our symbols are smaller Now, I don't need to create a resistor in vertical and another in horizontal position. And this is so good. Just some symbols are a litle confused, is the case of IC with pin in all directions. A Flip-flop IC is a good example, J and K pins in by its left side, Q /Q out by its Right side, and SET up and CLR down. Or a OpAmp, with offset pins, compensations etc. I think is better to don't use autoplace routine, because in some cases the attribs will be in front of some pins. Then, I just commented the Four directions lines, and autoplace routine does not run. I will continue my tests, Ok? Thank you, Antonio ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Icarus Verilog documentation Wiki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Icarus Verilog has lacked a User Guide for too long now, so I've started a documentation Wiki here: http://iverilog.wikia.com. I've seeded it with some documentation that I've been hoarding for a while now, and also got the basics of the layout more or less how I would like it, so I'm opening it up to a wider audience. So dig in! - -- Steve WilliamsThe woods are lovely, dark and deep. steve at icarus.com But I have promises to keep, http://www.icarus.com and lines to code before I sleep, http://www.picturel.com And lines to code before I sleep. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFOQfBrPt1Sc2b3ikRAv/QAKCsigKWz3pOoXGCTD8ugRT5lN0UngCg1KEa mNSYQD+XLvfPCfCwva2M4Bs= =yJOU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: smd challenge board status - last step!
One step left before I start taking orders. Almost there! I've pretty much finished the web page and instructions for the challenge board project, and would like to request a review. Specifically, the link marked instruction sheet is the [double sided] page I'm including with the mailed kits. So please review: http://www.delorie.com/pcb/smd-challenge/ I have 25 boards cut out so far, and I've put together five kits (to see how much they weigh) plus a few for myself (mostly marked incomplete because I've been using parts for prototypes). I also packaged up one ten-pack to see how much it weighs (9g!). I've built one board myself, it took about two hours, including testing and corrections (U2's silkscreen is backwards). Photos on the web page and in the instructions. DJ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: smd challenge board status - last step!
2nd paragraph. There's all sorts of things should probably be There are all sorts of things. Fixed. from the time the parts get here should maybe from the time the parts get there. I meant *my house*. From the time the parts leave Digikey to the time you finish assembling your board. I don't exactly have a clean room here :-P Last line of the Theory section, oscilloscope is spelled wrong. Fixed. Finally, I'd probably like to see the part number for the 2 transistors and the inverter on the schematic! The attributes are all there, just not visible. I have the manufacturer, their part number, and the vendor (digikey or mouser) and their part number. The circuit gets messy if you make them all visible. Bring the schematic up in gattrib. Looks pretty cool over all. Can't wait to be able to order one. Me too! Oh wait... I've built three so far (two proto, one final). I'm going to use one or two more finals to try out my new hot plate before I start working on the expansion board project (the SOJs almost require reflow). So, I can't wait to get rid of them all ;-) (and I'm not going smaller than 0402 or 0.50mm in future projects if possible). ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Icarus Verilog documentation Wiki
On 10/20/06, Stephen Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Icarus Verilog has lacked a User Guide for too long now, so I've started a documentation Wiki here: http://iverilog.wikia.com. I've seeded it with some documentation that I've been hoarding for a while now, and also got the basics of the layout more or less how I would like it, so I'm opening it up to a wider audience. Thanks! I am currently working on a homebrew computer project based on the 65816 currently, and will be using the Xess, Inc. pre-fabricated FPGA boards for making my custom chips using Verilog. Icarus will play a big role in that task. Perhaps this wiki can also grow to include a best-practices section as well. -- Samuel A. Falvo II ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Schottky diode?
John Coppens wrote: On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:35:29 -0400 Dan McMahill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % kpsewhich -progname=dvipdfm -format=tfm cmr17 /usr/pkg/share/texmf/fonts/tfm/public/cm/cmr17.tfm man dvipdfm may give enough info to dig into it. I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to help much beyond this. on6jc ~$ kpsewhich -progname=dvipdfm -format=tfm cmr17 /usr/share/texmf/fonts/tfm/public/cm/cmr17.tfm It seems it _is_ installed and recognized... If you'd like to have me do some other test, gladly... I wish I had more. I just don't have enough knowledge of debugging that sort of latex issue. In any case, I'd suggest moving the compilation/generation of the docs to the end of the makefile, so at least the programs get compiled. (I believe that generally packages tend to compile docs at the end, as the different doc-tools are somewhat less standardized than the gcc/make/etc tools. I wouldn't think there are any dependencies in the code on the docs... it would be a simple matter of changing the order of SUBDIRS in the top level Makefile.am. -Dan ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Schottky diode?
On Oct 20, 2006, at 7:47 PM, Dan McMahill wrote: % kpsewhich -progname=dvipdfm -format=tfm cmr17 /usr/pkg/share/texmf/fonts/tfm/public/cm/cmr17.tfm man dvipdfm may give enough info to dig into it. I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to help much beyond this. on6jc ~$ kpsewhich -progname=dvipdfm -format=tfm cmr17 /usr/share/texmf/fonts/tfm/public/cm/cmr17.tfm It seems it _is_ installed and recognized... If you'd like to have me do some other test, gladly... I wish I had more. I just don't have enough knowledge of debugging that sort of latex issue. Ok...Is it just the rum I'm drinking, or does anyone else thing debugging latex issues is sorta a personal thing? ;) -Dave ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: smd challenge board status - last step!
DJ Delorie wrote: I've built three so far (two proto, one final). I'm going to use one or two more finals to try out my new hot plate before I start working on the expansion board project (the SOJs almost require reflow). So, I can't wait to get rid of them all ;-) (and I'm not going smaller than 0402 or 0.50mm in future projects if possible). yeah, I've never liked soldering SOJ's. Although I'd rather do those than QFN's. -Dan ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Schottky diode?
On 10/20/06, Dan McMahill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Coppens wrote: On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:35:29 -0400 Dan McMahill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % kpsewhich -progname=dvipdfm -format=tfm cmr17 /usr/pkg/share/texmf/fonts/tfm/public/cm/cmr17.tfm man dvipdfm may give enough info to dig into it. I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to help much beyond this. on6jc ~$ kpsewhich -progname=dvipdfm -format=tfm cmr17 /usr/share/texmf/fonts/tfm/public/cm/cmr17.tfm It seems it _is_ installed and recognized... If you'd like to have me do some other test, gladly... I wish I had more. I just don't have enough knowledge of debugging that sort of latex issue. I wonder if it is an AFM file that dvipdfm is looking for that it can not find. Maybe dvipdfm cannot map the Computer Modern Roman font to the corresponding Adobe font. Since the DVI file is generated can you view it with xdvi? If you can I would think that the problem may be with fontmapping. (* jcl *) -- http://www.luciani.org ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: smd challenge board status - last step!
yeah, I've never liked soldering SOJ's. Although I'd rather do those than QFN's. I'd have preferred tsops, but I can do trace-between-pads with SOJ, and I was kinda limited given the part I needed (5v SRAM). I wonder if you can hand-solder SOJ if you start by putting solder paste on the pads, so that you use the tip to reflow the paste? But compared to TVSOP and 01005 components, pretty much anything bigger is cake now. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: smd challenge board status - last step!
On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:01:23 -0400 DJ Delorie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One step left before I start taking orders. Almost there! I've pretty much finished the web page and instructions for the challenge board project, and would like to request a review. Specifically, the link marked instruction sheet is the [double sided] page I'm including with the mailed kits. So please review: http://www.delorie.com/pcb/smd-challenge/ I have 25 boards cut out so far, and I've put together five kits (to see how much they weigh) plus a few for myself (mostly marked incomplete because I've been using parts for prototypes). I also packaged up one ten-pack to see how much it weighs (9g!). I've built one board myself, it took about two hours, including testing and corrections (U2's silkscreen is backwards). Photos on the web page and in the instructions. In instructions.pdf, Quantities in the table don't match the board or the resdef numbers. C2-5 Qty 2 - should be 4 R3-4 Qty 4 - should be 2 Other then that.. I want one. -Lares DJ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: smd challenge board status - last step!
In instructions.pdf, Quantities in the table don't match the board or the resdef numbers. C2-5 Qty 2 - should be 4 There are two oscillator configurations, so the schematic has two places for caps for each oscillator. You only populate one each. This is noted in the instructions. I added a note to the web page. R3-4 Qty 4 - should be 2 There are spare 1k's if you want to use those instead of the 150's. This is noted in the instructions. I added a note to the web page. Other then that.. I want one. :-) This review is the last step. I don't want to ship anything out with typos, ambiguities, or unanswered questions (like can I get 100 kits by tomorrow?). So I'd like to see more reviews come in, until it seems like I've got everything covered (hint). I haven't gotten any feedback about the limit two per person either. I figure, you can order more later if needed, and if there are any left. It's a gamble between way too many left and way too many people want them. I figure two lets you lose a few parts and still get a working board ;-) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: smd challenge board status - last step!
I'll give some feed back to that. I was planing on ordering ten. Not that I'm that bad at soldering, but some people at work could use some practice. Note that ten packs aren't cut up; you'll need a scroll saw or other pcb cutter with a narrow kerf. I use a #2 blade. I'm going to cut up the singles first, and if I have any blades left (they dull quickly on fr4) I'll start working on the ten packs. Also, the parts are in strips of ten still. I'm trying to make sure everyone who wants one gets one, without (1) having too many left over, or (2) not having enough for everyone. I don't mind sending ten-packs to people who will give them to ten people (that's what they're *for*), but keep in mind I only have ten ten-packs ;-) Also, the schematic has all the part numbers to order, and there's the pcb file, you could *make* a bunch of kits for work. It costs about $200 to make 100 kits (if you panelize with other projects), which is petty cash for a medium sized business. You could add a bunch to each board you make by just adding 0.5 to the short edge, minimum purchase for the parts is at most 20 but you don't get as much of a discount. Also on the $0.37 surcharge for PayPal, is that per board, or per order? It's 2.9% + 0.30 so it depends on the total amount. A ten pack would be $20.90. I'd have to have a different button for each quantity. You could always buy one of those small ads in the back of Circuit Cellar magazine, and sell thousands, or not This is a not-for-profit project. I'd have to charge a lot more for a commercial version (it's labor intensive), and there *are* companies that do this on the large scale (www.practicalcomponents.com) but not for singletons. I tried copypasting from the PDF but that didn't go well. It's a ps2pdf from a .ps print from oowrite. I wonder if it's using UTF-8 ? I'll have to play with it. Replace pdf with sxw to get the oowrite master copy, but you'll need all the graphic files too, they're not embedded (easier to edit that way). I don't recommend relying on black spot on the inside of the LED. That's what it says on their datasheet. And all the LEDs came off one strip, so they all match, and I know the spot is in the right place at the moment ;-) The metal is different on the bottom, but that's not called out on the spec. I would add a * to the C2-C5 in the BOM and the note box about populate only C2 or .. I'd also add a note marker to R3-R4 linking to the you'll have two left over when you are done. Otherwise it just looks like the BOM is wrong in both cases, because the designators do not match the quantities. Done. Won't two AA's power this rather than messing with a 9V and 7805? Hmmm... should, now that I check. I think the original plan was to use a TI xor gate, but it's out of production. *That* might have been 5V only. Note that you may need the 150's instead of 1k's for 3v operation. I'll have to try it and see :-) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: smd challenge board status - last step!
Won't two AA's power this rather than messing with a 9V and 7805? Hey! It works! And no injection locking either. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: smd challenge board status - last step!
On Oct 20, 2006, at 10:26 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: Won't two AA's power this rather than messing with a 9V and 7805? Hey! It works! And no injection locking either. Schweet! -Dave -- Dave McGuire Cape Coral, FL ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: smd challenge board status - last step!
Hey! It works! And no injection locking either. Schweet! Yeah, that was definitely a pleasant surprise. Not that I can explain it, of course. But now I have to reconfigure my latest board to use the twin slow oscillators, so I can see the LEDs throb. That means moving one of the 01005 caps. FYI: They still throb too fast to see (30Hz). Those caps are not very precise. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Schottky diode?
On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:13:37 -0400
John Luciani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since the DVI file is generated can you view it with xdvi? If you can
I would think
that the problem may be with fontmapping.
Sri... Hadn't noticed that the make script seems to remove the output
(dvi)? As far as I can see, 'acs-tutorial' is the only file that has
formatting instructions in it ('xcept for the man file).
From the configure log, I notice that it looks for 'hacha' and 'hevea',
which are not present. Could it be that it then still tries to generate
the docs, but actually needs these?
John
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