Re: gEDA-user: Installing in Debain. Nothing (at all) works
On Fri, 4 May 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No matter how I install gEDA on Debian 4 (Etch), the only things that work are the schematic editor and a viewer for gerber files. Please be a little more specific. How do you run the tools? From the command line? And what do you mean only things that work? Which programs fail, and how do they fail? Do they say anything when they fail? I have used aptitude, and the iso and still just have these tools. Which version of the ISO? What did it say when you ran it? I am using the tools menu to switch applications. What tools menu in which program? How did you start it up? From teh command line? Some icon? Is there a terminal method which can diagnose what has gone wrong? Stuart ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Re: Installing in Debain. Nothing (at all) works
Stuart Brorson wrote: On Fri, 4 May 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No matter how I install gEDA on Debian 4 (Etch), the only things that work are the schematic editor and a viewer for gerber files. Please be a little more specific. How do you run the tools? From the command line? And what do you mean only things that work? Which programs fail, and how do they fail? Do they say anything when they fail? I have used aptitude, and the iso and still just have these tools. Which version of the ISO? What did it say when you ran it? I am using the tools menu to switch applications. What tools menu in which program? How did you start it up? From teh command line? Some icon? Is there a terminal method which can diagnose what has gone wrong? Stuart ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user Stuart, what was the point in that response? Everything you asked was alredy covered 1) Launched from the tools menu in the gEDA project manager 2) Aptitude is a way of installing programs (on Debian based OS) 3) The latest stable from the website (the gEDA website) 4) It didn't say anything, it just ran, otherwise I would have said I get this error: xxx 5) No, if I started the individual aps from the command line I wouldn't be asking what commands were needed to do that. To clarify, can someone please tell me the commands to start the individual aps of the gEDA suite so I can find out what the errors are (which I also said in the original post) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Re: Installing in Debain. Nothing (at all) works
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No matter how I install gEDA on Debian 4 (Etch), the only things that work are the schematic editor and a viewer for gerber files. My problem EXACTLY http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43419 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Re: Installing in Debain. Nothing (at all) works
Stuart Brorson wrote: Again, which one? Did you install the RPMs? Or the CD (OK, you said the CD). And as for Debian, there are a bazillion different revisions which you can get from teh Debain site: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=gedasearchon=namessubword=1version=allrelease=all No RPMs. I just type aptitude install geda and Debian does everything. The version installed would be that in the stable repository for Etch. I don't know which that is until I get back to my machine. I've also installed from the CD (current stable). Schematic capture - gschem netlisting - gnetlist forward annotate to layout - gsch2pcb PCB layout - pcb Excellent, thanks very much. I'll find out as much as I can now and see what's up ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Re: Installing in Debain. Nothing (at all) works
There are two things to keep in mind: 1. At least last year, Ubuntu was a uniquely crippled distro. Yes, it's bright and shiny and has lots of buttons for newbies to press, but it lacks certain software development tools requried for the CD installer to work. It also lacks the relevant include files for many packages. If you want to use the CD installer, make sure you have all the *-devel stuff installed. A list of required packages was posted on this e-mail list just a few days ago. 2. GEDA's tools are generally used from teh command line. If you're a Linux newbie, and are expecting to just push buttons and have stuff work, then you're in for frustration and disappointment. Please spend some time browsing the wiki and familiarizing yourself with the tutorials and other materials. They talk about how to use gEDA from the command line. Stuart On Fri, 4 May 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stuart Brorson wrote: Again, which one? Did you install the RPMs? Or the CD (OK, you said the CD). And as for Debian, there are a bazillion different revisions which you can get from teh Debain site: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=gedasearchon=namessubword=1version=allrelease=all No RPMs. I just type aptitude install geda and Debian does everything. The version installed would be that in the stable repository for Etch. I don't know which that is until I get back to my machine. I've also installed from the CD (current stable). Schematic capture - gschem netlisting - gnetlist forward annotate to layout - gsch2pcb PCB layout - pcb Excellent, thanks very much. I'll find out as much as I can now and see what's up ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: TTL - RS232 convert
Hi folks, Do any of you make (and sell) a (3V) TTL to RS232 converter? Yes, I know it's just a Maxim chip and 3 caps that anybody could make in his/her basement. In fact, looking around, it seems that a fair number of folks _have_ made these in their basements and sell them. Since I'm short on time (in terms of personhours, although calendar time counts as well), I would rather purchase one (actually, several) instead of making it. Since I want to support gEDA, would rather purchase one (actually, several) from somebody who has used the gEDA suite to design it. Any takers? (Ideally, I would like to get one that fits inside the shell of a DB-9 connector). --wpd ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: TTL - RS232 convert
Patrick Doyle wrote: Hi folks, Do any of you make (and sell) a (3V) TTL to RS232 converter? Yes, I know it's just a Maxim chip and 3 caps that anybody could make in his/her basement. In fact, looking around, it seems that a fair number of folks _have_ made these in their basements and sell them. Since I'm short on time (in terms of personhours, although calendar time counts as well), I would rather purchase one (actually, several) instead of making it. Since I want to support gEDA, would rather purchase one (actually, several) from somebody who has used the gEDA suite to design it. Any takers? (Ideally, I would like to get one that fits inside the shell of a DB-9 connector). Patrick, If there aren't any takers, I've been using this[1] for a month now under linux (host=x86_64, tgt=ixp420) and it works beautifully. The British vendor is here[2]. You could order the wire-end (-WE) variant, but I found it easier to swap the pins around in the connector according to the board I was talking to. hth, Jason. [1] - http://www.mouser.com/search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=TTL-232R-3V3virtualkey6262virtualkey626-DLP-TTL-232R-3V3 [2] - http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/EvaluationKits/TTL-232R-3V3.htm ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Re: Installing in Debain. Nothing (at all) works
On Friday 04 May 2007, Stuart Brorson wrote: 1. At least last year, Ubuntu was a uniquely crippled distro. Yes, it's bright and shiny and has lots of buttons for newbies to press, but it lacks certain software development tools requried for the CD installer to work. It also lacks the relevant include files for many packages. If you want to use the CD installer, make sure you have all the *-devel stuff installed. You gotta be kidding. Just because the packages installed by default are not the ones you would choose does not make it uniquely crippled. All of the important tools are there, but some are not installed by default. All you need to do is apt-get install . In this regard, it is no different from Debian, which installs even less by default. In my opinion, even Debian installs too much by default. If some other distribution loads up your disk by automatically installing all kinds of stuff in anticipation, I consider that to be a defect. But I will be honest in this, and say that is why we have several to choose from, so you can choose what you like. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Pcb slowdown
Hi, well the whale has not run aground yet, but it is in shallow waters. Recent CVS takes longer to startup and there is a noticeable lag to keyboard commands. One thing I noticed is that Pcb loves cursors a lot more now, not shure wether that is significant. Starting and immediately quitting: strace ./pcb-cvs/pcb-2007-03-14/src/pcb watchdog.pcb stace.log 21 grep cursor stace.log |wc -l 65 strace ./pcb-cvs/pcb-2007-05-04/src/pcb watchdog.pcb stace.log 21 grep cursor stace.log |wc -l 2241 Starting, moving around a bit zoom in and out: strace ./pcb-cvs/pcb-2007-03-14/src/pcb watchdog.pcb stace.log 21 grep cursor stace.log |wc -l 6625 strace ./pcb-cvs/pcb-2007-05-04/src/pcb watchdog.pcb stace.log 21 grep cursor stace.log |wc -l 24186 System is Gentoo 64bit ./configure \ --prefix=/usr \ --host=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu \ --mandir=/usr/share/man \ --infodir=/usr/share/info \ --datadir=/usr/share \ --sysconfdir=/etc \ --localstatedir=/var/lib \ --disable-dependency-tracking \ --enable-maintainer-mode \ --libdir=/usr/lib64 \ --build=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu \ --with-gui=lesstif Ralf ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Pcb slowdown
Recent CVS takes longer to startup and there is a noticeable lag to keyboard commands. Probably due to the new polygon dicer. Harry mentioned he was thinking of adding a cache to that. One thing I noticed is that Pcb loves cursors a lot more now, not shure wether that is significant. The lesstif HID only updates the screen when the program is idle anyway, which is designed to avoid the whale problem. The busier the program (or user) is, the less often the screen is redrawn, so it never falls behind. This may make the redraw *time* longer (i.e. max redraws/second) but it minimizes the time between when you stop moving the mouse and when the screen is up to date. Starting and immediately quitting: If you could summarize the differences in those logs, that would help. Also, you can put actions on the command line to standardize things, plus there's a benchmark action (i.e. :Benchmark() ) that tells you how many redraws you can do in ten seconds. I get 4 redraws/sec for my furnace board with filled polygons, and 60 r/s with thin draw polygons set. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Combining polygons
Hello all, Earlier this week, I posted a message asking how I could combine several polygons in the ground plane into one larger polygon. I have heard nothing back since I've posted, even though the list has been busy this week. If my question is a stupid one, I wish someone would tell me why. Many CAD packages allow you to combine shapes, so I am simply wondering if there is a way to do this in PCB. I quote my original e-mail below: Hello all, I created a PCB layout about a month ago and built the ground plane from rectangles, irregularly shaped polygons, and a few lines. All of these are in the solder layer, but they area all separate from one another. Ideally, I would like to merge them into one single piece, because this keeps me from accidentally dragging polygons out of place and the like, and it would make my layout that much cleaner. I have looked in the documentation, but I can't find anything relevant. Does anyone know of a way to combine these different objects into one large piece? Thanks, Jeremy Thanks much, Jeremy ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Combining polygons
On Fri, 4 May 2007, Jeremy Pedersen wrote: Hello all, Earlier this week, I posted a message asking how I could combine several polygons in the ground plane into one larger polygon. I have heard nothing back since I've posted, even though the list has been busy this week. If my question is a stupid one, I wish someone would tell me why. Your question is not stupid. In fact, we discussed it at the FreeDog meeting this last Tuesday. The answer is: it depends upon what you want to do. Do you want a group operation, so that you can select a bunch of individual polys, and create a logical grouping of them so they all become part of a larger group which you can select and move? If so, PCB doesn't currently support this operation. Yes, it would be nice, but please keep in mind that the poly code is very new, and not all desirable features have been implemented or even imagined. Stuart ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Combining polygons
I don't know of a grouping option but you can lock them in place so that you don't accidently move them, use the lock tool. Steve On May 4, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Jeremy Pedersen wrote: Hello all, Earlier this week, I posted a message asking how I could combine several polygons in the ground plane into one larger polygon. I have heard nothing back since I've posted, even though the list has been busy this week. If my question is a stupid one, I wish someone would tell me why. Many CAD packages allow you to combine shapes, so I am simply wondering if there is a way to do this in PCB. I quote my original e-mail below: Hello all, I created a PCB layout about a month ago and built the ground plane from rectangles, irregularly shaped polygons, and a few lines. All of these are in the solder layer, but they area all separate from one another. Ideally, I would like to merge them into one single piece, because this keeps me from accidentally dragging polygons out of place and the like, and it would make my layout that much cleaner. I have looked in the documentation, but I can't find anything relevant. Does anyone know of a way to combine these different objects into one large piece? Thanks, Jeremy Thanks much, Jeremy ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Combining polygons
The answer is: it depends upon what you want to do. Do you want a group operation, so that you can select a bunch of individual polys, and create a logical grouping of them so they all become part of a larger group which you can select and move? That's exactly it. I can certainly understand why that would take some time to write though. The only programming language I can really claim to have even half a year's worth of experience with is DOS assembly, so I've no idea how you've even managed to write something as cool as gEDA. :-) In the meantime, I suppose I'll lock them in place (thanks, Steven) so I don't accidentally move them. This brings up another question: when I generate Gerber files, what becomes of these separate polygons? Are they all represented in the Gerber files as individual objects? Or are they all morphed into one large polygon because they all simply represent an area covered with something (copper, ink, etc...)? Thanks all, Jeremy ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
