Re: gEDA-user: pcb git segmentation fault in hid binary searchs

[Oblivian]

   DJ,
   Thanks, I'll see what I can do to remove the linear search as well.
   Jason

   On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 12:07 AM, DJ Delorie <[1...@delorie.com>
   wrote:

   > I've tracked the problem to the binary search in hid_find_flag, when
   strcmp
   > gets a null value from the flags being searched.  This may be a
   recent
   > change in glibc for Ubuntu and a test program that just does
   strcmp("some
   > string",NULL); segfaults for me.  I've changed it to use bsearch for
   now...
   > my question is, is there a reason the stdlib bsearch function was
   not used?
   > I notice that qsort is used right above it.  If there is no
   complaint in
   > changing the bsearch's in flags.c and actions.c, I'll submit a patch
   for it.

 No reason, go ahead.

   > Also, question in actions.c... It appears that the binary search is
   > performed and a linear search is done if the action was not found in
   the
   > binary search. Is there a reason for this or was it just overlooked
   in the
   > hid upgrade?

 The binary search is case sensitive, the linear search isn't.  What
 we
 might consider is a hash based on tolower(name) instead.
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Re: gEDA-user: pcb git segmentation fault in hid binary searchs

[DJ Delorie]

> I've tracked the problem to the binary search in hid_find_flag, when strcmp
> gets a null value from the flags being searched.  This may be a recent
> change in glibc for Ubuntu and a test program that just does strcmp("some
> string",NULL); segfaults for me.  I've changed it to use bsearch for now...
> my question is, is there a reason the stdlib bsearch function was not used?
> I notice that qsort is used right above it.  If there is no complaint in
> changing the bsearch's in flags.c and actions.c, I'll submit a patch for it.

No reason, go ahead.

> Also, question in actions.c... It appears that the binary search is
> performed and a linear search is done if the action was not found in the
> binary search. Is there a reason for this or was it just overlooked in the
> hid upgrade?

The binary search is case sensitive, the linear search isn't.  What we
might consider is a hash based on tolower(name) instead.


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gEDA-user: pcb git segmentation fault in hid binary searchs

[Oblivian]

   Hi all,
   In trying to compile the git master branch of PCB on Ubuntu, I'm
   running into a segmentation fault in the hid/common/flags.c during
   compilation.
   I've tracked the problem to the binary search in hid_find_flag, when
   strcmp gets a null value from the flags being searched.  This may be a
   recent change in glibc for Ubuntu and a test program that just does
   strcmp("some string",NULL); segfaults for me.  I've changed it to use
   bsearch for now... my question is, is there a reason the stdlib
   bsearch function was not used?  I notice that qsort is used right
   above it.  If there is no complaint in changing the bsearch's in
   flags.c and actions.c, I'll submit a patch for it.
   Also, question in actions.c... It appears that the binary search is
   performed and a linear search is done if the action was not found in
   the binary search. Is there a reason for this or was it just
   overlooked in the hid upgrade?
   Thanks,
   Jason


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Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 23 May 2009, John Doty wrote:
>On May 23, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> To me, a 6AU6 is a newer
>> tube.  6SJ/K7's are middle aged, and the 4X's were popular for
>> small signal &
>> 2A3's for audio output's about the time I was born.  And all are
>> transconductance pikers compared to a 7788. :)  And my spell
>> checker does not
>> even recognize the word!
>
>Not much excuse for a spell checker that doesn't know
>transconductance. Now, if it didn't know perveance I might be
>inclined to cut it some slack... ;-)

Chuckle, tell that to the Aspell folks, John.  And I'm not so sure I wouldn't 
fuss just as loud over perveance, and darned if it isn't fussing about that 
too.  Sigh...

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Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

[John Doty]

On May 23, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

> To me, a 6AU6 is a newer
> tube.  6SJ/K7's are middle aged, and the 4X's were popular for  
> small signal &
> 2A3's for audio output's about the time I was born.  And all are
> transconductance pikers compared to a 7788. :)  And my spell  
> checker does not
> even recognize the word!

Not much excuse for a spell checker that doesn't know  
transconductance. Now, if it didn't know perveance I might be  
inclined to cut it some slack... ;-)

John Doty  Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
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Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 23 May 2009, Joerg wrote:
>Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Friday 22 May 2009, Joerg wrote:
>>> I'll second that. Did it in Spain but the track owner from whom I also
>>> rented the go-kart didn't want me on there anymore after my power-slides
>>> blew out the 2nd tire (including some smoke plumes). They must be rather
>>> expensive.
>>
>> 40 years ago, those slicks were about a $30 bill ea.  So today, probably
>> $75, 90 maybe?  I haven't kept up.  Shame on me.  But I never blew one. 
>> My only failures were related to spinning the wheel in them, peeling the
>> valve core out of the innertube.
>
>I don't know much about tires but what happened was that while the
>surface seemed to smoke the blow-outs happened on the sides of the
>tires. Both times it was the right rear. And in Spain $30 back then was
>a whole lotta dough.

Probably was.  ISTR I was making about $90/week back then.  So I made those 2 
tires run for 3 seasons worth of some dirt, some blacktop racing, never for 
more than a case of pop to the winners.  But it was the ultimate fun for me at 
the time.

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Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 23 May 2009, Joerg wrote:
>Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Friday 22 May 2009, Joerg wrote:
>>> John Doty wrote:
 On May 21, 2009, at 6:00 PM, Joerg wrote:
> Chris Albertson wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> I'm thinking about tube amps that had an output impedance of about 1M
>> ohm that used transformers to drive 8 ohm speakers.  About a 100,000
>> to 1 ratio.
>
> 1M? What kind of tube was that?

 Well, that's a typical plate resistance for a small signal pentode, but

 Power pentodes have lower plate resistance.
>>>
>>> Small signal, yes. But a 12AX7 won't be enough for a rock concert ;-)
>>
>> And its not even a pentode, its a dual triode, designed for phono preamps
>> and such.
>
>Sorry, I meant something like the 6AU6.

Which fits the general thread idea a lot better.  To me, a 6AU6 is a newer 
tube.  6SJ/K7's are middle aged, and the 4X's were popular for small signal & 
2A3's for audio output's about the time I was born.  And all are 
transconductance pikers compared to a 7788. :)  And my spell checker does not  
even recognize the word!

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Re: gEDA-user: How to route in PCB?

[DJ Delorie]

I have a new tutorial which may help:
http://www.delorie.com/pcb/docs/gs/


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gEDA-user: How to route in PCB?

[Josef Wolf]

Hello,

I am trying to get my feet wet by exercising

  http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial

First steps (on gschem) are really encouraging.  But somehow I got stuck
when it came to PCB.  The tutorial says, I can finish a trace with a middle
mouse click.  But a middle mouse click don't show any effect here.  I have
tried all sorts of clicks and several sorts of keyboard clicks.  Only ESC
key leaves the route mode, at the expense that it deletes the routed path.

Any ideas what I'm messing up here?

BTW: the tutorial seems to be somewhat outdated.  Where it says

  Screen->Grid Setting->25 mil

it should be 

  View->Grid Size->25 mil


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Re: gEDA-user: Outsourcing PCB layout

[Joerg]

Ineiev wrote:
> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 2:53 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak  
> wrote:
>> Average blue collar worker wage in Germany is about 2800 EUR/month. This
>> does not include the employers share of the pension insurance. So even
>> ten times your bit would still be near the lower end of the spectrum of
>> wages for less qualified jobs...
> 
> Again, I was not speaking about actual salaries.. but in Cosmodamiansk
> (500 miles eastward from Moscow) 3000 eur/year is considered a good
> income. wage is often not thought of as a mandatory attribute of a job
> there.
> 

In part this has to do with price levels which in some countries are 
artifical and government controlled/subsidized. Just one example: 
Roughly 15 years ago the price for a good bottle of Whiskey in the US or 
Western Europe was $15. Someone who came back from a business trip to 
Russia offered Vodka from there. It was excellent and he said that it 
was considered a very good brand over there. Asked what he had paid for 
the bottle: "About 50 cents". That blew me away.

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Re: gEDA-user: Outsourcing PCB layout

[Ineiev]

On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 2:53 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak  wrote:
> Average blue collar worker wage in Germany is about 2800 EUR/month. This
> does not include the employers share of the pension insurance. So even
> ten times your bit would still be near the lower end of the spectrum of
> wages for less qualified jobs...

Again, I was not speaking about actual salaries.. but in Cosmodamiansk
(500 miles eastward from Moscow) 3000 eur/year is considered a good
income. wage is often not thought of as a mandatory attribute of a job
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Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

[Joerg]

Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 22 May 2009, Joerg wrote:
> 
>> I'll second that. Did it in Spain but the track owner from whom I also
>> rented the go-kart didn't want me on there anymore after my power-slides
>> blew out the 2nd tire (including some smoke plumes). They must be rather
>> expensive.
> 
> 40 years ago, those slicks were about a $30 bill ea.  So today, probably $75, 
> 90 maybe?  I haven't kept up.  Shame on me.  But I never blew one.  My only 
> failures were related to spinning the wheel in them, peeling the valve core 
> out of the innertube.
> 

I don't know much about tires but what happened was that while the 
surface seemed to smoke the blow-outs happened on the sides of the 
tires. Both times it was the right rear. And in Spain $30 back then was 
a whole lotta dough.

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Re: gEDA-user: Outsourcing PCB layout

[Jelle de Jong]

Michael Sokolov wrote:
> Hello fellow gEDA/PCB users,
> 
> I hope this post is not too off-topic/inappropriate for this list.  I
> have an open source hardware design (an SDSL hacking board) that's
> getting close to entering the layout phase, and I will soon need to hire
> someone to do the PCB layout.  (I have to outsource it because it's a
> task well outside my skills range.)
> 
> Right now I'm just looking for a very rough guess order-of-magnitude
> estimate of how much this is going to cost me, so that I can tell
> whether I can foot that bill on my own or if I'll need to procure some
> sponsorship before this project can proceed.  It's a totally non-
> commercial open source hardware design, I share the design freely with
> the world and I'll do the same with the PCB and Gerber files which I'll
> be paying someone to create, and if I do make and sell any physical
> hardware units, I'll sell them for the cost of production without any
> profit margin.
> 
> If anyone here does PCB layouts for hire, I would appreciate it if you
> could take a quick look at my summary below and give me a rough
> approximate estimate of how much you would charge to do this layout.
> I would prefer for it to be done in PCB so that the resulting product
> will be in an open source format, but nonetheless my main overriding
> concern is cost, so in the admittedly unlikely case that person A offers
> to do it in PCB, person B offers to do it in some proprietary format and
> person B charges significantly less than person A, I'll have to go with
> person B - but again I think that scenario is very unlikely because I
> would imagine that those into proprietary tools are likely to be more
> commercially-minded, be less friendly to non-profit hobbyist open source
> projects and charge more.
> 
> Summary of the board design that needs to be laid out:
> 
> * Schematics: 10 B-size sheets; the circuit complexity should be roughly
>   equal to that of an average DSL "modem" of the older generation that
>   hasn't been shrunk down to one chip.
> * Estimated board size: I would like to fit it into a 130x165 mm 6 layer
>   PCB if possible (again matching the average DSL "modem").
> * No BGAs, 3 QFPs, the rest is mostly SOICs, TSOPs and SMT discretes,
>   very few TH parts.
> * MC68302 microprocessor (QFP) with 20 address lines and 16 data lines
>   wired, non-multiplexed; these buses need to go to two 8 bit wide SRAM
>   chips, two 8 bit wide flash chips (covering the 16 bit wide data bus),
>   the SDSL transceiver chip (only 8 address lines and 8 data lines) and
>   an FPGA (13 address lines, all 16 data lines).
> * A lot of synchronous serial data and clock signals for the SDSL data
>   path, including 4 muxes.
> * Mostly digital, but there is a small analog section between the SDSL
>   transceiver chip and the jack.
> * No RF, the fastest signals would be the M68K bus which I may want to
>   run at up to 25 MHz.
> 
> Additional documentation:
> 
> Project home page:
> 
> http://ifctfvax.Harhan.ORG/OpenSDSL/
> 
> Schematics as they stand currently:
> 
> http://ifctfvax.Harhan.ORG/OpenSDSL/OSDCU/OSDCU_schem.pdf
> http://ifctfvax.Harhan.ORG/OpenSDSL/OSDCU/OSDCU_schem.ps
> 
> The design is done in uEDA, my own offshoot of gEDA which I'm in the
> process of polishing up for release.  I don't expect the person hired to
> do the PCB layout to mess with uEDA, but I can export the netlist in the
> PCB format as well as a bundle of PCB elements for all components.
> 
> Design spec (very detailed):
> 
> http://ifctfvax.Harhan.ORG/OpenSDSL/OSDCU/hwdesign.txt
> 
> That's all I have for now.  I hope someone is willing to do the PCB
> layout for a price I can afford. :-)

Nice project and thanks for the offering to hire developers that use
free software development tools. I think this is an important step
towards a more complete free software culture.

I can offer you my services to route the PCB layout. The only problem is
I will be available starting from the end of August 2009 before that I
can not free the time.

Also I live in an European country and do this work for a living so I
have to charge a hour rate of around 40 euro to make enough for food and
shelter. I think it will be around a week of work.

Best regards,

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Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

[Joerg]

Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 22 May 2009, Joerg wrote:
>> John Doty wrote:
>>> On May 21, 2009, at 6:00 PM, Joerg wrote:
 Chris Albertson wrote:

 [...]

> I'm thinking about tube amps that had an output impedance of about 1M
> ohm that used transformers to drive 8 ohm speakers.  About a 100,000
> to 1 ratio.
 1M? What kind of tube was that?
>>> Well, that's a typical plate resistance for a small signal pentode, but
>>>
>>> Power pentodes have lower plate resistance.
>> Small signal, yes. But a 12AX7 won't be enough for a rock concert ;-)
>>
> And its not even a pentode, its a dual triode, designed for phono preamps and 
> such.
> 

Sorry, I meant something like the 6AU6.

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Re: gEDA-user: ??Error message PCB??

[Levente Kovacs]

On Sat, 23 May 2009 17:27:59 +0200
Ernst van Spronsen
 wrote:

> Is the attached footprint correct?  If not what I'm doing wrong?

It is too a .pcb file. I guess you open your footprint with pcb, and you save
it. IMHO, PCB saves it as a .pcb file, regardless of its extension.

You have a couple of options:

1. You regenerate your footprint like load it to the buffer, break it to
elements, edit, end re-export.

2. You use your favourite text editor to tweak it.


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Re: gEDA-user: ??Error message PCB??

[Ernst van Spronsen]

   Is it common practise that you have to debug you're .PCB file in order
   to get it to work?
   Is the attached footprint correct?  If not what I'm doing wrong?

   2009/5/23 DJ Delorie <[1...@delorie.com>

 That means one of your footprint files is really a PCB file.

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Re: gEDA-user: geda-bundle trouble

[Peter Gregson]

When I do

dpkg -L libgeda33-data | grep gafrc


I get

peter-gregsons-macbook:~ gregson$ dpkg -L libgeda33-data | grep gafrc
/sw/etc/gEDA/system-gafrc
peter-gregsons-macbook:~ gregson$

but when I do

ls -al /sw/etc/gEDA I get

peter-gregsons-macbook:gEDA gregson$ ls -al /sw/etc/gEDA
total 192
drwxr-xr-x   9 root  admin306 22 May 11:46 .
drwxr-xr-x  38 root  admin   1292 22 May 11:44 ..
-rw-r--r--   1 root  admin   9660 22 May 11:46 gschem-darkbg
-rw-r--r--   1 root  admin366 22 May 11:46 gschem-gtkrc
-rw-r--r--   1 root  admin   9689 22 May 11:46 gschem-lightbg
-rw-r--r--   1 root  admin583 22 May 11:44 system-gattribrc
-rw-r--r--   1 root  admin   6118 22 May 11:45 system-gnetlistrc
-rw-r--r--   1 root  admin  49499 22 May 11:46 system-gschemrc
-rw-r--r--   1 root  admin   1657 22 May 11:45 system-gschlasrc
peter-gregsons-macbook:gEDA gregson$


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Peter



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On 22-May-09, at 10:26 PM, Charles Lepple wrote:

> Peter Gregson  writes:
>
>>
>> Charles, I tried to install from source using FinkCommander.  fink
>> list geda says
>>
>> peter-gregsons-macbook:TestProject gregson$ fink list geda
> [...]
>>  i   libgeda33-data   1:1.4.3-12   GNU EDA -- Electronics design --
>> data files
>>  i   libgeda33-shlib  1:1.4.3-12   GNU EDA -- Electronics design --
>> library ...
>> peter-gregsons-macbook:TestProject gregson$
>>
>> but I get the same symptoms.  When I run gschem, the gschem log  
>> window
>> says:
> [...]
>
> I think one of my messages got swallowed up by gmane.
>
> Do you get anything from 'dpkg -L libgeda33-data | grep gafrc' ?
>
> If not, well... this is sort of straying away from gEDA territory  
> (since gEDA
> needs that file to run, and Fink should have installed it). I  
> believe I sent you
> the fink-user list info the other day - they should be able to help  
> you sort
> this out.
>
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Re: gEDA-user: ??Error message PCB??

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Re: gEDA-user: ??Error message PCB??

[Ernst van Spronsen]

   Ok, Added both commands in the gsch2pcb project file and run gsch2pcb
   again. That is correct?
   Then I got a error message on line 36? and that is =>
   FileVersion[20070407]
   Some more of the file:
   Element[0x0 "1210.fp" "M1/L3" "4.7uH/0.9A/0.2R" 0 0 -10161 -13783 0
   100 0x0]
   (
  Pad[-5511 -2165 -5511 2165 6299 2000 8299 "input" "1" 0x0100]
  Pad[5511 -2165 5511 2165 6299 2000 8299 "input" "2" 0x0100]
  ElementLine[-10161 6814 -10161 -6814 1000]
  ElementLine[-10161 -6814 10161 -6814 1000]
  ElementLine[10161 -6814 10161 6814 1000]
  ElementLine[10161 6814 -10161 6814 1000]
   )
   Element[0x0 "0805.fp" "M1/C29" "1uF" 0 0 -7799 -11421 0 100 0x0]
   (
  Pad[-3740 -393 -3740 393 5118 2000 7118 "input" "1" 0x0100]
  Pad[3740 -393 3740 393 5118 2000 7118 "input" "2" 0x0100]
  ElementLine[-7799 4452 -7799 -4452 1000]
  ElementLine[-7799 -4452 7799 -4452 1000]
  ElementLine[7799 -4452 7799 4452 1000]
  ElementLine[7799 4452 -7799 4452 1000]
   )
   FileVersion[20070407]
   --

   Did I correctly disabled the M4 lib? Or is there an other problem.

   2009/5/23 Ben Jackson <[1]...@ben.com>

   On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 08:42:48AM +0200, Ernst van Spronsen wrote:
   >
   >Ok, How do I disable the M4 libraries? At least for this project?
   > Thanks.

 In your project file add:
use-files
skip-m4
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 Ben Jackson AD7GD
 <[2]...@ben.com>
 [3]http://www.ben.com/

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