Re: gEDA-user: Outsourcing PCB layout
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 05:02:25PM +, Michael Sokolov wrote: John Griessen j...@ecosensory.com wrote: but then, the international reach of the internet along with closed borders and regulated trade may put me out, way out :-) You mean Ineiev's offer being 15-40 times cheaper than what you and everyone else has offered? Yeah, that pretty much guarantees that I'll go with him. :-) Yes, I know the saying that you get what you pay for. But this is a *hobby* project on which I don't expect to make any money ever. I have mentioned the possibility of one ISP wanting me to make 100 of those units, but after I had made that post I have rechecked the availability of all the parts on my BOM and confirmed what I had feared: the RS8973 SDSL transceiver chip, the one that the whole design revolves around, is no longer available by any means other than buying other old SDSL routers on eBay and desoldering that chip. I have 10 such sacrificial routers in my stash which have been acquired for that specific purpose. There is one other chip in my design which I would like to keep in there for sentimental reasons (TI SN75LBC784 EIA-423 transceiver), and it has also apparently become unobtainium. I have 25 of those on hand. Indeed, while some distributors apparently still have a non-negligible stock of Conexant's RS8973 (www.americaii.com claims 1943), the transceiver is obsolete. Gabriel ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Outsourcing PCB layout
Gabriel Paubert paub...@iram.es wrote: Indeed, while some distributors apparently still have a non-negligible stock of Conexant's RS8973 (www.americaii.com claims 1943), Thanks for the pointer, I'll check it out! the transceiver is obsolete. Yes, Mindspeed doesn't want to make, sell or support it any more because they have M289xx as the new replacement. Care to know why they obsoleted RS8973 in favor of M289xx? RS8973 was open source-friendly, whereas M289xx is completely closed. See this page for the full gory details: http://ifctfvax.Harhan.ORG/OpenSDSL/chips/mindspeed.html MS ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Gschem png color output - grayish background
When I look at the background of schematics output by the png writer from Gschem 1.5.2 it looks kind of like a dingy gray instead of pure white (especially when looked at as an import in WinWord). Does anyone else notice this and, if so, how would I get a true white background? Regards, Kurt ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Outsourcing PCB layout
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 03:35:07PM +, Michael Sokolov wrote: Gabriel Paubert paub...@iram.es wrote: Indeed, while some distributors apparently still have a non-negligible stock of Conexant's RS8973 (www.americaii.com claims 1943), Thanks for the pointer, I'll check it out! I'm not affiliated in any way to AmericaII but I was looking a few weeks ago for the high speed grade (-5) of a Xilinx Spartan3A (some part of the design has to run at 400MHz, only 20 flip-flops or so, but that's a case where the speed grade makes a difference); I ended up buying the parts from them since other distributors only carried -4 or gave me 12-13 weeks of delay. the transceiver is obsolete. Sorry, I did not express myself well, I meant the TI part (SN75LBC784), that one does not appear in stock in any of my providers. Yes, Mindspeed doesn't want to make, sell or support it any more because they have M289xx as the new replacement. Care to know why they obsoleted RS8973 in favor of M289xx? RS8973 was open source-friendly, whereas M289xx is completely closed. See this page for the full gory details: http://ifctfvax.Harhan.ORG/OpenSDSL/chips/mindspeed.html Interesting... Gabriel ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?
Hello,
I am about to write an introduction into electronics for kids. This
introduction will also contain small circuits to experiment with. For
building the circuits, I'd use a breadboard like this one:
http://produkt.conrad.de/45973183/steckplatine-eic-108.htm
To draw the schematics, I'd use gschem (obviously). But I wonder how
to create the drawings for placing the components. I'd like to have
the holes and connections of the breadboard be drawn in light-grey. On
top of that, I'd draw the actual components and the paths of the current
in black.
I can think of two ways of doing this:
1. Create the breadboard drawing as a component on its own, so it would be
included into gschem. This method would probably clutter the schematic
with a useless component.
2. Add the breadboard as a drawing into pcb. I've done a little perl
script just to see how this could look like. I've attached the script
below.
Now here are my questions:
- How can I make the breadboard drawing appear light-grey in pcb's
postscript output?
- Is there a way to make pcb aware of the fact that the holes in the
breadboard are connected?
- Any other suggestions?
#! /usr/bin/perl
use strict;
use warnings;
my @texts;
my ($rows, $cols) = (shift, shift);
$rows = 2 unless defined $rows;
$cols = 1 unless defined $cols;
header;
sub text {
my ($x, $y, $text) = @_;
push (@texts, sprintf ('Text[%d %d 0 100 %s ]',
($x*1, $y*1, $text)));
}
for (my $c=0; $c($cols+1)*18; $c+=18) {
if ($c$cols*18) {
my %off=(A=5, B=6, C=7, D=8, E=9,
F=12, G=13, H=14, I=15, J=16);
foreach my $arr (0, $rows*6+3.4) {
foreach my $l (A..J) {
text ($c+$off{$l}-0.12, $arr, $l);
}
}
}
for (my $r=0; $r$rows*6+3; $r++) {
unless (($r-3)%6) {
vbar ($c+1, $r);
vbar ($c+2, $r)
}
if ($c$cols*18) {
hbar ($c+5, $r+1);
hbar ($c+12, $r+1);
foreach my $x (4, 16.5) {
if ($r==1 || $r%5==0) {
text ($c+$x, $r-0.3, $r);
}
}
}
}
}
footer;
sub vbar {
my ($x, $y, $o) = @_;
$x *= 1;
$y *= 1;
print _EOF_;
Element[ vLine5 vLINE5 $x $y 0 0 0 100 ]
(
Pin[0 0 6000 3000 6600 3800 1 1 ]
Pin[0 1 6000 3000 6600 3800 2 2 ]
Pin[0 2 6000 3000 6600 3800 3 3 ]
Pin[0 3 6000 3000 6600 3800 4 4 ]
Pin[0 4 6000 3000 6600 3800 5 5 ]
ElementLine [0 4 0 0 1000]
)
_EOF_
}
sub hbar {
my ($x, $y, $o) = @_;
$x *= 1;
$y *= 1;
print _EOF_;
Element[ hLine5 hLINE5 $x $y 0 0 0 100 ]
(
Pin[0 0 6000 3000 6600 3800 1 1 ]
Pin[1 0 6000 3000 6600 3800 2 2 ]
Pin[2 0 6000 3000 6600 3800 3 3 ]
Pin[3 0 6000 3000 6600 3800 4 4 ]
Pin[4 0 6000 3000 6600 3800 5 5 ]
ElementLine [0 0 4 0 1000]
)
_EOF_
}
sub header {
my $x = $cols*18+3;
my $y = $rows*6+5;
print _EOF_;
FileVersion[20070407]
PCB[ $x $y]
Grid[1.00 0 0 1]
Cursor[0 0 0.00]
PolyArea[2.00]
Thermal[0.50]
DRC[1000 1000 1000 1000 1500 1000]
Flags(nameonpcb,uniquename,clearnew,snappin)
Groups(1,c:2,s:3:4:5:6:7:8)
Styles[Signal,1000,3600,2000,1000:Power,2500,6000,3500,1000:Fat,4000,6000,3500,1000:Skinny,600,2402,1181,600]
_EOF_
}
sub footer {
my $texts = join (\n, , @texts, );
print _EOF_;
Layer(1 component) ( $texts )
Layer(2 solder)( )
Layer(3 GND) ( )
Layer(4 power) ( )
Layer(5 signal1) ( )
Layer(6 signal2) ( )
Layer(7 signal3) ( )
Layer(8 signal4) ( )
Layer(9 silk) ( )
Layer(10 silk) ( )
_EOF_
}
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Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?
Hmmm... perhaps you could make the breadboard with vias, lock them, connect them on the solder side, and change the via color to match the far side color? The breadboard wouldn't be an element itself, but a template .pcb file. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Outsourcing PCB layout
Gabriel Paubert paub...@iram.es wrote: Sorry, I did not express myself well, I meant the TI part (SN75LBC784), that one does not appear in stock in any of my providers. I have it in my design for the sentimental value - I just like EIA-423 - and I have 25 of those parts in my little grabby hands, enough for my own play. If that ISP follows through on wanting 100 of my units (or if someone else expresses a similar interest), *and* if we can somehow solve the RS8973 situation, then I'll revise my design and respin the PCB for whatever is available in the requested quantity. But I don't want to think about that at the present time. Right now I just want to get the damn thing finally built after all these years, just for my own personal sanity, just to prove to myself that I can design and build a piece of hardware of that level of complexity - even if it's only a one-off piece that can never be made in volume. I've been working on this project since 2006, and there were several times over the last 2.5 y when I was just about ready to put the finishing touches on it and send it off to layout, but every time I had a context switch. If I have a context switch, the project goes into the background and won't resurface for another few months at least. Then the cycle repeats. With Ineiev getting ready to do the layout for a price I can easily afford on my hobby budget, I want to actually make it happen this time. At this point I want as little change to my design as possible. Basically I want to change my currently existing design only if it is rather certain that the circuit won't work if I give it to Ineiev with my current netlist as it stands. If the circuit has a high chance of working as it currently stands with the current netlist and the parts I physically have on hand, I want to lay it out and build it as it stands. (I'm going to have a couple of local friends who are real HW engineers review my schematics for the cost of me taking them out to lunch to help me answer that go/no-go question.) If I start making bigger changes to my design, I'll have another context switch to other pressing life needs and the gadget won't get built for at least another year... MS ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?
On Mon, 25 May 2009 19:55:23 +0200 Josef Wolf j...@raven.inka.de wrote: - How can I make the breadboard drawing appear light-grey in pcb's postscript output? A trick I've used is to export or print the board to postscript. Then you'll have many pages, one of them the vias alone, and on another the silkscreen. You can then combine both in GIMP and color the vias any color you like. Some of the silkscreen drawings of the standard components may have to be edited a little for 'aesthetic' purposes. John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?
For the PCB layout I would make a breadboard footprint (along the lines of the patterns of [1]http://tinyurl.com/5bxzgh ). (* jcl *) -- You can't create open hardware with closed EDA tools. [2]http://www.luciani.org References 1. http://tinyurl.com/5bxzgh 2. http://www.luciani.org/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 02:09:49PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: Hmmm... perhaps you could make the breadboard with vias, lock them, connect them on the solder side, and change the via color to match the far side color? Sounds good. There seem to be a couple of drawbacks, though: - The via/solder color from the preference menu is not stored in the .pcb file and is lost when the program is quit - The color setting seems to affect only the GUI. I would like to have the grey style in printouts (eps, included in latex, so it can be printed along with the description and the schematics, resulting in a small book) - The parts of the breadboard traces which are actually used by the circuit should be black instead of grey The breadboard wouldn't be an element itself, but a template .pcb file. How would I specify the template when creating the initial .pcb with gsch2pcb? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 03:46:00PM -0300, John Coppens wrote: On Mon, 25 May 2009 19:55:23 +0200 Josef Wolf j...@raven.inka.de wrote: - How can I make the breadboard drawing appear light-grey in pcb's postscript output? A trick I've used is to export or print the board to postscript. Then you'll have many pages, one of them the vias alone, and on another the silkscreen. You can then combine both in GIMP and color the vias any color you like. I'd prefer something more scriptable, since I expect to have _lots_ of circuits. But at a first glance, it looks like the ps/eps outputs are easy to postprocess. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?
Josef Wolf wrote: - The color setting seems to affect only the GUI. I would like to have the grey style in printouts (eps, included in latex, so it can be printed along with the description and the schematics, resulting in a small book) Maybe you could use the image in the background feature of pcb. If the grey image was located carefully to align with a grid you could then snap footprints corresponding to connected places onto the breadboard image. That would still leave all the interconnectivity of the breadboard undone though. to get a correct netlist, you would need to add that in a copper layer. - The parts of the breadboard traces which are actually used by the circuit should be black instead of grey some black and some grey is beyond pcb's abilities at the moment -- would be a u-code-it project, or would just be done manually. John Griessen -- Ecosensory Austin TX tinyOS devel on: ubuntu Linux; tinyOS v2.0.2; telosb ecosens1 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 02:52:31PM -0400, John Luciani wrote: For the PCB layout I would make a breadboard footprint (along the lines of the patterns of *http://tinyurl.com/5bxzgh *). Umm, thats not the type of breadboard I am talking about. See, this project is meant to be an introduction to electronics for total beginners. So it should be easy/fast to build and modify the circuits. So the breadboard I am talking about is the type where you push the pins of the components into little holes (organized as 100mil grid) to get them connected. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Josef Wolf [1...@raven.inka.de wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 02:52:31PM -0400, John Luciani wrote: For the PCB layout I would make a breadboard footprint (along the lines of the patterns of *[2]http://tinyurl.com/5bxzgh *). Umm, thats not the type of breadboard I am talking about. See, this project is meant to be an introduction to electronics for total beginners. So it should be easy/fast to build and modify the circuits. So the breadboard I am talking about is the type where you push the pins of the components into little holes (organized as 100mil grid) to get them connected. I realize you are doing a different type of breadboard but the **idea** can be modified to your type of breadboard by changing the arrangement of the pads. Pads having the same number are considered connected. Take a row of square pads (all the same pad number) and connect them with thin rectangular pads (all the same pad number) and you have a connected row. Draw a silkscreen rectangle around the row of pads and you have a picture similar to a bread board row. (* jcl *) You can't create open hardware with closed EDA tools. [3]http://www.luciani.org References 1. mailto:j...@raven.inka.de 2. http://tinyurl.com/5bxzgh 3. http://www.luciani.org/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?
John Luciani wrote: I realize you are doing a different type of breadboard but the **idea** can be modified to your type of breadboard by changing the arrangement of the pads. Pads having the same number are considered connected. Take a row of square pads (all the same pad number) and connect them with thin rectangular pads (all the same pad number) and you have a connected row. Draw a silkscreen rectangle around the row of pads and you have a picture similar to a bread board row. (* jcl *) Hmmm Maybe one could get the desired some grey some black if used by the way he made footprints. Include some portion of the connectivity of the breadboard, and by putting down footprints, much of the connection to rails would just happen. John -- Ecosensory Austin TX ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?
How would I specify the template when creating the initial .pcb with gsch2pcb? You don't. You copy the template to the .pcb, and only use gsch2pcb to *update* it. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?
DJ Delorie wrote: How would I specify the template when creating the initial .pcb with gsch2pcb? You don't. You copy the template to the .pcb, and only use gsch2pcb to *update* it. So, if the template was a sea of vias, would footprints be without vias even though they represent legs of components? Their connection points could be pads and the connectivity would work and netlist well. One would just have to get over the way it seems like using through hole parts with surface mount footprints. John Griessen -- Ecosensory Austin TX ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?
You'd have to test pcb and see what it does if you overlay a pad on a via, or a pin on a via. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?
Josef Wolf wrote: Umm, thats not the type of breadboard I am talking about. See, this project is meant to be an introduction to electronics for total beginners. So it should be easy/fast to build and modify the circuits. I think, You want to create figures like this one: http://www.robotika.sk/misc/circuit1.png The picture is taken from the What's a microcontroller book, issued by the Parallax, Inc. and available here: http://www.parallax.com/Portals/0/Downloads/docs/books/edu/wamv2_2.pdf I am afraid, that this type of figures is far beyond the PCB capabilities. Richard Balogh ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 04:08:55PM -0500, John Griessen wrote: Josef Wolf wrote: - The color setting seems to affect only the GUI. I would like to have the grey style in printouts (eps, included in latex, so it can be printed along with the description and the schematics, resulting in a small book) Maybe you could use the image in the background feature of pcb. You mean the method described in http://www.delorie.com/pcb/bg-image.html? That was also my first attempt. But it seems to work only for the GUI, no image on printout. If the grey image was located carefully to align with a grid you could then snap footprints corresponding to connected places onto the breadboard image. That would still leave all the interconnectivity of the breadboard undone though. to get a correct netlist, you would need to add that in a copper layer. Maybe that's not as bad as it sounds. Guess, I'll have to route the traces manually anyway, since footprints on a breadboard are much more flexible than in usual designs. For example, a resistor can span anything from 100mil to 1000mil in any angle :-) - The parts of the breadboard traces which are actually used by the circuit should be black instead of grey some black and some grey is beyond pcb's abilities at the moment -- would be a u-code-it project, or would just be done manually. With the grey part being only a drawing, the routed traces on the component side would overlap the grey drawing and give exactly the desired effect (i think) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: system-gafrc
Hi, All, I have had endless trouble trying to install geda-bundle on my Intel MacBook running 10.5.7. It appears that all installs properly except that I don't have system-gafrc installed in /sw/etc/gEDA. Can someone send me a copy so that I can place it there? This shows up when I try to run gschem. My geda-bundle contains gschem 1.4.3.20081231 Thanks, and Best regards Peter Peter Gregson, Ph.D., P.Eng. Professor, ECE ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?
DJ Delorie wrote: You'd have to test pcb and see what it does if you overlay a pad on a via, or a pin on a via. Oh, right. pcb footprints don't keep any traces, just pads, pins. (Yet.) JG ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: system-gafrc
Peter, Here's the one I have... Jason On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Peter Gregson [1]peter.greg...@dal.ca wrote: Hi, All, I have had endless trouble trying to install geda-bundle on my Intel MacBook running 10.5.7. It appears that all installs properly except that I don't have system-gafrc installed in /sw/etc/gEDA. Can someone send me a copy so that I can place it there? This shows up when I try to run gschem. My geda-bundle contains gschem 1.4.3.20081231 Thanks, and Best regards Peter Peter Gregson, Ph.D., P.Eng. Professor, ECE ___ geda-user mailing list [2]geda-u...@moria.seul.org [3]http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user References 1. mailto:peter.greg...@dal.ca 2. mailto:geda-user@moria.seul.org 3. http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user system-gafrc Description: Binary data ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:38:13PM +0200, Richard Balogh wrote: Josef Wolf wrote: Umm, thats not the type of breadboard I am talking about. See, this project is meant to be an introduction to electronics for total beginners. So it should be easy/fast to build and modify the circuits. I think, You want to create figures like this one: http://www.robotika.sk/misc/circuit1.png Yeah, kind of. Although they don't need to be so good-looking as this one. I am afraid, that this type of figures is far beyond the PCB capabilities. Hmm, I have the feeling that with the help of this list, I am already pretty close to the solution: - Use pads (instead of vias) on the solder side to represent the holes - connect them on the solder side with lines - lock pads+lines - fiddle eps output to change the color of the solder side - place parts as usual - use copper on component side for routing. The routes appear black in the printout Have I missed something? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 05:57:52PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: You'd have to test pcb and see what it does if you overlay a pad on a via, or a pin on a via. So why not use pads instead of vias? Pads on solder side would represent the holes in the breadboard and special footprints with pads instead of pins for the components. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?
Vias connect the two sides, so you can test for connectivity. That's all I was thinking. If connectivity can be done another way, then you have other options. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?
Josef Wolf wrote: Hmm, I have the feeling that with the help of this list, I am already pretty close to the solution: - Use pads (instead of vias) on the solder side to represent the holes - connect them on the solder side with lines - lock pads+lines - fiddle eps output to change the color of the solder side - place parts as usual - use copper on component side for routing. The routes appear black in the printout Have I missed something? It sounds like you will have a grey solder side layer, so the pads will only be on one side at all -- routes that the netlister and drc checks use need to be on the same side as the pads. So, if you do not use vias your black to grey change to .ps output can't be for the whole side, that would get the pads, (connected to the routing), and the routing. all would be grey. I think that is ready for some testing. One thing you could do with your template .pcb drawing is include some trace segments of the right lengths to align well as part of a copyable library of parts for students to use. That is, if they are going to be doing layout. So try what DJ mentioned. Test if connectivity is made by overlapping a footprint pad on a via without creating errors or not allowing it. If there is a trouble with that, each component will have to have some trace attached to each pad also and the trace makes the netlist connectivity as usual. vias connect to the other side and allow easy grey postprocessing of .ps other side output. John -- Ecosensory Austin TX tinyOS devel on: ubuntu Linux; tinyOS v2.0.2; telosb ecosens1 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Pin-pin rubberbanding
On Sun, 24 May 2009 14:59:55 +0100, Peter Clifton wrote: This patch allows you to touch two pins together (placing the component so the pins connect), then pull them apart to produce nets. It also works when moving nets attached to pins, so new segments are produced. Very cool. I'll try the patch tomorrow. What version of gschem is it based on? Next wish to improve routing in gschem: An option to restrict the nets to vertical/horizontal. I next to never want slanted nets in a schematic. ---(kaimartin)--- ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: system-gafrc
Thanks, Jason. Greatly appreciated. Peter Peter Gregson, Ph.D, P.Eng. Professor, ECE Professor, Biomedical Engineering Dalhousie University (902) 499-3931 On 25-May-09, at 7:11 PM, Jason Childs wrote: Peter, Here's the one I have... Jason On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Peter Gregson [1]peter.greg...@dal.ca wrote: Hi, All, I have had endless trouble trying to install geda-bundle on my Intel MacBook running 10.5.7. It appears that all installs properly except that I don't have system-gafrc installed in /sw/etc/gEDA. Can someone send me a copy so that I can place it there? This shows up when I try to run gschem. My geda-bundle contains gschem 1.4.3.20081231 Thanks, and Best regards Peter Peter Gregson, Ph.D., P.Eng. Professor, ECE ___ geda-user mailing list [2]geda-u...@moria.seul.org [3]http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user References 1. mailto:peter.greg...@dal.ca 2. mailto:geda-user@moria.seul.org 3. http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user system-gafrc ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: libraries
I have installed geda-bundle on my MacBook running 10.5.7. It appears to have been successful, thanks to Jason who sent me his system-gafrc file to install (geda-bundle didn't). However, this version seems to have found all of my libraries, but has not found the libraries that used to be included with geda. Has anyone else had this problem? How do I fix it? Thanks, Peter Peter Gregson, Ph.D., P.Eng. Professor, ECE ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Breadboard drawings with pcb?
On Mon, 25 May 2009 22:58:26 +0200 Josef Wolf j...@raven.inka.de wrote: I'd prefer something more scriptable, since I expect to have _lots_ of circuits. But at a first glance, it looks like the ps/eps outputs are easy to postprocess. If you want publishing (printing) quality output, you'll have to pass through ps anyway. There are a lot of utilities on the 'net that let you combine ps outputs in many ways, using command line utilities. John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: pcb library and hid build modification
Do we really need all the complexity of libtool and shared libraries just to avoid editing a file? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: libraries
geda-bundle did not install system-gafrc on my machine for unexplained reasons. I seem to have made it work by copying system- gafrc to /sw/etc/gEDA/ by hand. However, gschem does not find any of the libraries in /sw/share/gEDA/sym. How can I fix this? I don't see any way to specify a library other than in gschemrc which requires me to list every single one individually. At one time, they were loaded automatically. Is there a way to do this? Thanks, Peter Peter Gregson, Ph.D., P.Eng. Professor, ECE ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Pin-pin rubberbanding
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 23:24 +, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: On Sun, 24 May 2009 14:59:55 +0100, Peter Clifton wrote: This patch allows you to touch two pins together (placing the component so the pins connect), then pull them apart to produce nets. It also works when moving nets attached to pins, so new segments are produced. Very cool. I'll try the patch tomorrow. What version of gschem is it based on? My cairo branch, + some local stuff. It should apply to git HEAD though (untested). Next wish to improve routing in gschem: An option to restrict the nets to vertical/horizontal. I next to never want slanted nets in a schematic. Yes, I feel I want more of that heuristic sometimes, but it will need some work before we get there. The patch I posted to add nets when stretching a pin-* connection is somewhat of a kludge (to achieve what I wanted quickly). If we are going to start getting clever with net rubber-banding heuristics, I suspect we need some more invasive work to the routines responsible. -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
