Re: gEDA-user: Re: I need to open and print a PCB created in ExpressPCB:What are my options?
Oh. I didn't even know I could do that. Thanks, I'll try and set that up. On 2/16/07, Mark Rages [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/16/07, Ales Hvezda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok. I will keep those things in mind. p.s. I haven't quite got mailing lists worked out yet, because I've only really ever used forums and IRC channels. Is there some way that I can opt to receive mail only from threads to which I am subscribed? I know that's really a forum thing, so if not, I'll just opt to check the archives every so often instead of receiving mail. Not really, but you could turn on mail list digesting (it's in the mailman web interface), so that you get only get one message per day. This one message includes all the traffic for the list for the day. -Ales Jeremy is using Gmail, so he can do this: 1) set a filter to catch messages with gEDA-user in the subject and archive immediately (bypassing the Inbox). 2) to see threads you have posted in, click Sent Messages. The unread threads are highlighted. 3) to read the list, do a search for gEDA-user. Gmail is excellent for mailing lists. It's even better than NNTP clients. Regards, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You think that it is a secret, but it never has been one. - fortune cookie ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- Windows [n.] A thirty-two bit extension and GUI shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit microprocessor and sold by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition. (Anonymous) ~*~*~*~*~ * JDP :) * ~*~*~*~*~ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Re: I need to open and print a PCB created in ExpressPCB:What are my options?
Ok. I will keep those things in mind. p.s. I haven't quite got mailing lists worked out yet, because I've only really ever used forums and IRC channels. Is there some way that I can opt to receive mail only from threads to which I am subscribed? I know that's really a forum thing, so if not, I'll just opt to check the archives every so often instead of receiving mail. Not really, but you could turn on mail list digesting (it's in the mailman web interface), so that you get only get one message per day. This one message includes all the traffic for the list for the day. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Re: I need to open and print a PCB created in ExpressPCB:What are my options?
On 2/16/07, Ales Hvezda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok. I will keep those things in mind. p.s. I haven't quite got mailing lists worked out yet, because I've only really ever used forums and IRC channels. Is there some way that I can opt to receive mail only from threads to which I am subscribed? I know that's really a forum thing, so if not, I'll just opt to check the archives every so often instead of receiving mail. Not really, but you could turn on mail list digesting (it's in the mailman web interface), so that you get only get one message per day. This one message includes all the traffic for the list for the day. -Ales Jeremy is using Gmail, so he can do this: 1) set a filter to catch messages with gEDA-user in the subject and archive immediately (bypassing the Inbox). 2) to see threads you have posted in, click Sent Messages. The unread threads are highlighted. 3) to read the list, do a search for gEDA-user. Gmail is excellent for mailing lists. It's even better than NNTP clients. Regards, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You think that it is a secret, but it never has been one. - fortune cookie ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Re: I need to open and print a PCB created in ExpressPCB:What are my options?
I understand how you feel, but with these particular guys at least...they're very down-to-earth. Every one of them has shown a real willingness to help people, even newbies, whenever possible. Well that's good. I'll be sure to pay close attention to their suggestions. I've never been a fan of PC hardware (too slow cheap-feeling for my taste) so I don't mess with Linux very much. I'm limited to x86 hardware because its cheap, so it doesn't matter much to me if it feels cheap. As for Linux at 13, I can't say I was a very impressive user. My first memory of running Linux is actually of not running it. I got a kernel panic on the first try because I didn't know about boot loaders or about specifying a root= in grub. I know a bit more now, but I still can't write much more than a basic bash script of a few lines of assembly. And the PDP-11? Wow, I've only ever read about that thing. :-) But I've worked with people who would spend a whole day calculating what I can walk to a bench and measure in seconds. THAT is ridiculous. Yeah. My experience in lab has been that generally the measurements (if taken properly) are more than accurate enough for troubleshooting and adjustments. I'm clumsy though, so the calculations (at least the simple ones) are often faster for me. Breadboarding a full-wave bridge rectifier takes me 10 to 15 minutes, running the calculations can be done in under 2. :-/ One other thing to keep in mind. Hacking on embedded systems will teach you how to write efficient code, and you can take those skills right back to big machines at great benefit. In these days of Windows morons writing simple programs which require hundreds of megabytes of RAM...these guys are not programmers. In the world of embedded systems, in smaller applications one frequently finds oneself writing code to run on a system with a few dozen bytes (yes bytes) of RAM. And they do *real work*. That's for sure. Right now we are learning how to program basic stamp microcontrollers in class, and while I'm not fond of them (they use PBASIC: a proprietary programming language! Can you believe such a thing?) I can see how they require efficiency. I write an 820 byte program for one of these things that would follow a flow chart for troubleshooting diesel engines. It turned out that by shortening some output messages to the debug terminal and eliminating some stray CASE statements, the code could be squeezed into 70 bytes! The guy next to me actually didn't use the debug terminal (which requires a serial port connection to a PC) and managed to get his program into 20 bytes using dip switches for the simple yes/no questions! I am uncomfortable in hardware though, so I wasn't willing to use switches. :-( -- Windows [n.] A thirty-two bit extension and GUI shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit microprocessor and sold by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition. (Anonymous) ~*~*~*~*~ * JDP :) * ~*~*~*~*~ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Re: I need to open and print a PCB created in ExpressPCB:What are my options?
On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:45:48 -0500 Jeremy Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So it's possible to hand solder or reflow these things at home? Better yet, Hi Jeremy, If you would like to have a home reflow system, you might want to take a look at this page: http://web.interware.hu/lekovacs/reflow_oven/index.html It's my IR reflow setup. Cheers, Levente ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Re: I need to open and print a PCB created in ExpressPCB:What are my options?
Levente, I didn't even know such a thing was possible. Whatever the case, I still have to learn how to use gEDA (one of the reasons I started this thread) and learn how to solder normal thru-hole components. This should be useful to me if and when I branch out into SMT components. :-) Thanks, Jeremy On 1/31/07, Levente Kovacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:45:48 -0500 Jeremy Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So it's possible to hand solder or reflow these things at home? Better yet, Hi Jeremy, If you would like to have a home reflow system, you might want to take a look at this page: http://web.interware.hu/lekovacs/reflow_oven/index.html It's my IR reflow setup. Cheers, Levente ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Re: I need to open and print a PCB created in ExpressPCB:What are my options?
On Jan 31, 2007, at 7:55 AM, Jeremy Pedersen wrote: I didn't even know such a thing was possible. Whatever the case, I still have to learn how to use gEDA (one of the reasons I started this thread) and learn how to solder normal thru-hole components. This should be useful to me if and when I branch out into SMT components. :-) When the time for SMT comes, just keep in mind the #1 problem people have with SMT soldering: People tend to think it's just like through-hole soldering, but without the hole and wire. This is not the case; it is a whole different feel. Through-hole soldering experience is valuable when doing SMT soldering, but there is a learning curve involved. Well perhaps that's not the #1 problem...I think it's #2. #1 is the automatic fear of SMT, the assumption that it's harder because the parts are smaller. That's a load of bull. Many (most?) people find that it's actually easier. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Re: I need to open and print a PCB created in ExpressPCB:What are my options?
Ok. I will keep those things in mind. p.s. I haven't quite got mailing lists worked out yet, because I've only really ever used forums and IRC channels. Is there some way that I can opt to receive mail only from threads to which I am subscribed? I know that's really a forum thing, so if not, I'll just opt to check the archives every so often instead of receiving mail. Thanks, Jeremy -- Windows [n.] A thirty-two bit extension and GUI shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit microprocessor and sold by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition. (Anonymous) ~*~*~*~*~ * JDP :) * ~*~*~*~*~ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Re: I need to open and print a PCB created in ExpressPCB:What are my options?
On Jan 31, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Jeremy Pedersen wrote: p.s. I haven't quite got mailing lists worked out yet, because I've only really ever used forums and IRC channels. Is there some way that I can opt to receive mail only from threads to which I am subscribed? I know that's really a forum thing, so if not, I'll just opt to check the archives every so often instead of receiving mail. No, there's no way to do that. When one subscribes to a mailing list, one receives all messages sent to that list. Before you unsubscribe in order to not receive other messages, I suggest that it may be valuable to look over the other traffic occasionally. I've learned a great deal here, even having done this sort of work for a long time myself. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Re: I need to open and print a PCB created in ExpressPCB:What are my options?
Dave McGuire, Well somehow I ended up e-mailing you directly without realizing it (the gmail reply selection is mostly automatic, so it caught me off guard when it switched from mailing the gEDA list to mailing you). Anyway, for the benefit of everyone else, here's my last e-mail in case you want to comment on it. On 1/31/07, Jeremy Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right you are. I just wish I had gotten off my lazy butt sooner. I wanted to start learning this six months ago, when I had the time, and now I have to make time. I had noticed there were a few folks here who had written some software, but Icarus verilog and gnucap? Wow. I'll be sure not to ask any really stupid questions: I really wouldn't want to embarrass myself in front of people this talented. I wish I felt the same. I've always felt like math is a very important part of life, and I'm ashamed that I'm not better at it. I'm also not very good at analyzing circuits just yet, so when things can be reduced to formulas I find it helpful. I suppose you mean things like lambda calculus though. :-) You've been doing this for quite a long time. I didn't have a computer until I was ten, didn't discover GNU/Linux until I was 13 or so, and circuits were a mystery to me until September of last year. I always thought I wanted to be a software guy before I realized there's a sort of border world between the software and hardware schools of thought. I'm speaking of FPGA's, circuit simulators, PIC micro chips, etc... It seems like such an interesting mating of hardware and software. Thanks, Jeremy -- Windows [n.] A thirty-two bit extension and GUI shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit microprocessor and sold by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition. (Anonymous) ~*~*~*~*~ * JDP :) * ~*~*~*~*~ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
