Dear Colleagues,
1) Clarification: I am teaching students how to edit and author in
Wikipedia. Topical suggestions for a methodology are welcome.
2) On motherhood: it depends on whether referring to the global situation, or
U.S. This argument is extensive, and in most responses, symptomatic of the
problem. Mothers, especially single mothers and children, are vulnerable
populations under numerous social criteria. Mothers who don't hold a job and
have nannies are relatively few; they may still suffer from lack of 'voice'.
Again, concrete data are the most useful for understanding gaps and constraints
mothers face.
ksrolph
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From: Fred Bauderfredb...@fairpoint.net
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] [Commons-l] Fwd: Photo of the Day on
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On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:16, Fred Bauderfredb...@fairpoint.net
wrote:
My point is this: a significant number of women (current and
potential
editors) don't want to work in a I like the big tits atmosphere,
whatever
was meant by it. Others don't mind. Point is that some*do* mind.
So, was it an inane remark or a symptom of an atmosphere? I'm pretty
sure
you don't want to see an authoritarian crackdown either. We come down
heavy on Wikipedia sometimes, but for much more egregious behavior.
The problem is that such moves don't change culture, in fact, may
sometimes facilitate it, if traction can be gained by aggrieved users
who
feel they are being treated unfairly.
I see it as an inane remark that's symptomatic of the culture, in the
sense
that the poster thought it appropriate to post it.
Moving away from discussing this image now, to the broader issue, we do
see
a fair number of comments like that on Wikipedia, and letting them pass
without comment simply means they'll never stop.
We had a situation recently where we were discussing a BLP, and part of
the
content was that the woman had experienced a serious sexual assault. In
the
course of discussing how to approach it, a couple of remarks were made
that
tended to downplay what had happened to her, and one person -- in a
different section on the talk page -- commented on how attractive she
was,
and how he wanted to have her babies.
I was so disgusted by this that I felt (and to some extent still feel)
that
I didn't want to be involved in the project anymore, because why am I
wasting my time in that kind of atmosphere? I felt that it said something
about me, rather than about them.
I also had to decide whether to say something, or let it lie, and if I
did
say something, I had to make sure I was polite and circumspect, rather
than
screaming it from the rooftops, which is what I wanted to do. And it
suddenly felt like nothing had changed in the last 40 years, that these
remarks still appear, and that women are still made to feel bad if they
challenge them. And if we do challenge them, must be extra polite about
it.
Not make a fuss.
So that felt kind of depressing.
Sarah
Now we're getting down to a serious discussion. The actual horns of the
dilemma a
