Re: [Gendergap] Bikini example
You can compare how different language Wikipedias use images in the same article using Manypedia. All images appearing in the articles are conveniently grouped on top of it, and if you mouse over them, you can see a larger version. For example, below you find links of comparisons of the page Bikini between English and Chinese, Czech, Persian, Japanese, Korean, Latvian http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|zh http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|cs http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|fa http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|ja http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|ko, http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|lv But you can search any page in any language and compare it with any other language just using the controls on top of the interface. We've created Manypedia with the goal of easing cross-linguistic/cultural investigations so I would love to hear your feedback about it. Enjoy! ;) On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Emily Monroe emilymonro...@gmail.com wrote: How about using the German article to help out with the English one, and refactoring/deleting anything on the talk page that talks about anything except the article it's attached to? From, Emily On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Arnaud HERVE arnaudhe...@x-mail.net wrote: I just found an example which seems to me exemplary of a male dominated disaster : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikini In the Article page what struck me as wrong was : 1) The Sports bikini in beach volleyball photo, which has non pertinent erotic content imho 2) The chapter about male underwear, which seems to me so inappropriate AND ridiculous I can't even begin to describe it. In the Discussion page there is totally male point of view discussion about whether the girl in red is in good shape enough. Then there is the raging Outrage comment which I fear might become systematic if you leave the door opened for that. I have never seen a kid being shocked by going to the beach and seeing bikinis. That's a perverse erotic assumption imho, under the guise of high morality. I took the time to have a look at the German page : http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikini 1) The first photo is semantically right, it shows better that bikinis are used to go the beach and swimming 2) The history chapter is better developed 3) The gallery and the drawings aptly show different kinds of bikinis 4) No ridiculous male underwear content Also, there was a beach sports photo which seemed to me much better and devoid of erotic content yesterday. But sadly it's been removed at the moment I speak. It was this one : http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Beach_volleyball-Huntington_Beach-California_1.jpg Ah yes and also the discussion on the German page is more competent and calm imho. So as a conclusion, the German bikini page represents for me a right state of mind and proper educational content, fit to be used in a school with students interested in fashion. The English page seems to me more influence by more or less lunatic authors, or authors less interested in knowledge. Arnaud ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- -- Paolo Massa Email: paolo AT gnuband DOT org Blog: http://gnuband.org ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Bikini example
Manypedia is a really cool thing. Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ From: pa...@gnuband.org Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:04:50 +0200 To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Bikini example You can compare how different language Wikipedias use images in the same article using Manypedia. All images appearing in the articles are conveniently grouped on top of it, and if you mouse over them, you can see a larger version. For example, below you find links of comparisons of the page Bikini between English and Chinese, Czech, Persian, Japanese, Korean, Latvian http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|zh http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|cs http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|fa http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|ja http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|ko, http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|lv But you can search any page in any language and compare it with any other language just using the controls on top of the interface. We've created Manypedia with the goal of easing cross-linguistic/cultural investigations so I would love to hear your feedback about it. Enjoy! ;) On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Emily Monroe emilymonro...@gmail.com wrote: How about using the German article to help out with the English one, and refactoring/deleting anything on the talk page that talks about anything except the article it's attached to? From, Emily On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Arnaud HERVE arnaudhe...@x-mail.net wrote: I just found an example which seems to me exemplary of a male dominated disaster : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikini In the Article page what struck me as wrong was : 1) The Sports bikini in beach volleyball photo, which has non pertinent erotic content imho 2) The chapter about male underwear, which seems to me so inappropriate AND ridiculous I can't even begin to describe it. In the Discussion page there is totally male point of view discussion about whether the girl in red is in good shape enough. Then there is the raging Outrage comment which I fear might become systematic if you leave the door opened for that. I have never seen a kid being shocked by going to the beach and seeing bikinis. That's a perverse erotic assumption imho, under the guise of high morality. I took the time to have a look at the German page : http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikini 1) The first photo is semantically right, it shows better that bikinis are used to go the beach and swimming 2) The history chapter is better developed 3) The gallery and the drawings aptly show different kinds of bikinis 4) No ridiculous male underwear content Also, there was a beach sports photo which seemed to me much better and devoid of erotic content yesterday. But sadly it's been removed at the moment I speak. It was this one : http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Beach_volleyball-Huntington_Beach-California_1.jpg Ah yes and also the discussion on the German page is more competent and calm imho. So as a conclusion, the German bikini page represents for me a right state of mind and proper educational content, fit to be used in a school with students interested in fashion. The English page seems to me more influence by more or less lunatic authors, or authors less interested in knowledge. Arnaud ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- -- Paolo Massa Email: paolo AT gnuband DOT org Blog: http://gnuband.org ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Women Rock at Supporting Nonprofit Causes
Doing a bit of research on trends in museums (for an internship) and stumbled across this article from May... http://nonprofit.about.com/od/generationalfundraising/a/Women-Rock-At-Supporting-Nonprofit-Causes.htm A lot of it solidifies many things some of us have been saying, believing and reading about for a while now. I think it's so important for us to see the gender differences in donations in Wikimedia, how we can really latch into getting women who contribute as donors to be contributing beyond just reading, and really let women know (donor or not) that just by contributing content or images, or edits, is a donation, in a way, to the world of knowledge. It's so important to let one another know that the work we're doing is important - regardless of gender - but that it also has a special image on women..and our contributions. Your daily reminder... :) -Sarah -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural artistic research advising.* -- http://www.sarahstierch.com/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] A translation request
I compiled a small article about FastCompany.com's Most Influential Women in Technology. Most or all of these women are notable, I guess - they are on the list for a reason... http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/FastCompany.com%27s_Most_Influential_Women_in_Technology - it is in Danish, but should be fairly readable. Regards, Ole -- http://palnatoke.org * @palnatoke * +4522934588 ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] A translation request
It looks like we have biographies for slightly less than half of these people on the English Wikipedia. I would hazard that not all of them are actually notable per our guidelines, but I'm sure we're missing a lot that are. Ryan Kaldari On 9/19/11 2:12 PM, Ole Palnatoke Andersen wrote: I compiled a small article about FastCompany.com's Most Influential Women in Technology. Most or all of these women are notable, I guess - they are on the list for a reason... http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/FastCompany.com%27s_Most_Influential_Women_in_Technology - it is in Danish, but should be fairly readable. Regards, Ole ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Black skins
Arnaud, I've just remembered a documentary related to your post that is very much worth watching. Here is a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXG38QxXY-s Andreas --- On Mon, 19/9/11, Arnaud HERVE arnaudhe...@x-mail.net wrote: From: Arnaud HERVE arnaudhe...@x-mail.net Subject: [Gendergap] Black skins To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Monday, 19 September, 2011, 13:06 On 17/09/2011 22:40, Emily Monroe wrote: I remember accessing Wikipedia several times throughout my teenaged years; we cannot expect all of our readers to be an adult with a better understanding of anatomy. Just a quick note here : I've been talking to a dermatologist and she tells me one of the main issues is black women taking all sorts of meds to lighten their skin. It is often detrimental to health, and also it leads to considerable money loss in impoverished families, and unnecessary sorrow. I just thought Wikipedia should be aware of that. Here (fr) dermatologist are recruiting black women in the medical sector to lead campaigns against that. I guess one of the ways would be to show dark black women pictures more often, not just light brown. Arnaud ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Black skins
Here is an example of Caucasian bias: the en:WP article on [[hair straightening]]. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_straightening Despite the fact that this is a topic of great practical interest to black women, many of whom either have straightened their hair or have thought about doing it, the article makes no mention of afro hair, and the only two images are of Caucasian women. This article seems to fail a demographic of millions; and by failing these millions, we are also curtailing our chances of recruiting editors from this demographic, because it is likely to leave them with the impression that Wikipedia is not written for them. A. --- On Mon, 19/9/11, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Black skins To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Monday, 19 September, 2011, 13:59 My impression is that we have an appalling dearth of photographs of black people generally, just like our coverage of black topics in general is wanting, including such basic areas as hair care and skin care. Articles on black intellectuals are often either poor stubs, or get deleted for erroneous assertions of lack of notability. In my opinion, we need a major outreach to African studies scholars, and black media, because we are missing out on the knowledge people of colour could bring to the project. Andreas --- On Mon, 19/9/11, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: From: Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Black skins To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Monday, 19 September, 2011, 13:28 Very interesting point. Sydney On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Arnaud HERVE arnaudhe...@x-mail.net wrote: On 17/09/2011 22:40, Emily Monroe wrote: I remember accessing Wikipedia several times throughout my teenaged years; we cannot expect all of our readers to be an adult with a better understanding of anatomy. Just a quick note here : I've been talking to a dermatologist and she tells me one of the main issues is black women taking all sorts of meds to lighten their skin. It is often detrimental to health, and also it leads to considerable money loss in impoverished families, and unnecessary sorrow. I just thought Wikipedia should be aware of that. Here (fr) dermatologist are recruiting black women in the medical sector to lead campaigns against that. I guess one of the ways would be to show dark black women pictures more often, not just light brown. Arnaud ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Black skins
On 9/19/11 4:26 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: Here is an example of Caucasian bias: the en:WP article on [[hair straightening]]. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_straightening Despite the fact that this is a topic of great practical interest to black women, many of whom either have straightened their hair or have thought about doing it, the article makes no mention of afro hair, and the only two images are of Caucasian women. Topical to this, there is a documentary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Hair That points out that hair straightening (Relaxer) is a billion dollar industry. This is a clear bias; I'm actually flabbergasted by this. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Black skins
History continues to be written by Anglos and it's just as apparent in Wikipedia..and add a male dominated voice, and well...that's history. The same goes for topics about Native American subjects. I say it in my lecture about Indigenous peoples working with Wikipedia - it's just like any other history, it's primarily written by white males, and that has to change (followed with a picture of Kevin Costner). (I'm sure the same goes for other communities/races/ethnicity/skin colors articles, whatever you prefer, as well, these are just two areas I tend to write in..) Malcolm X described history being bleached, and I couldn't agree more. And here is one of my favorite Onion slaps: http://www.theonion.com/articles/white-history-year-resumes,139/ Having dialogue like this is a great start - I'd love to see it develop into a larger community discussion, like the gender gap publicity did. There is a lot of work to do, but, if we can develop successes with women, I like to think we can develop opportunities with more specific communities - and perhaps both at the same time. -Sarah On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On 9/19/11 4:26 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: Here is an example of Caucasian bias: the en:WP article on [[hair straightening]]. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_straightening Despite the fact that this is a topic of great practical interest to black women, many of whom either have straightened their hair or have thought about doing it, the article makes no mention of afro hair, and the only two images are of Caucasian women. Topical to this, there is a documentary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Hair That points out that hair straightening (Relaxer) is a billion dollar industry. This is a clear bias; I'm actually flabbergasted by this. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural artistic research advising.* -- http://www.sarahstierch.com/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs
Message: 1 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:33:30 -0700 From: Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: CAGWts0H0U4POruZN0qtCwqNJZuWY- 30=usaxwcxhyuqwufc...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Update, and a request: The discussion thread John started has been very active, with I think about 30 posts from a wide variety of customer service (OTRS) volunteers. This could be a good idea, but let's not forget that women who start editing Wikipedia first need to find out how to get help and this needs to be obvious in the interface. I recently supported a female colleague of mine to join and start editing Wikipedia and I witnessed her signing up etc. and it was surprisingly hard and confusing... Unfortunately, we ended up in this testing group for account creation :http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Testing_content/Login_page/Frank%27s_proposal In this testing group, the second screen is the one about topics. 'Health', the topic that we needed, was not one of them, so we selected 'biology' instead and a whole list of topics that need improvements was presented to us... However, she already knew which article she wanted to create, so it was a bit like 'Ok, how can I get out of here and draft my article?' I ended up showing her how she can do this and also ended up putting the Template:New_user_bar manually onto her user page, so that she's got a nicer profile page. I am sure we would potentially have lost her without my help... I thought I share this little experience. I think what I'll do next, is test her and see how she goes in getting some help without asking me ;-) Cheers, Jutta ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
