Re: [Gendergap] Bikini example

2011-09-19 Thread paolo massa
You can compare how different language Wikipedias use images in the
same article using Manypedia.
All images appearing in the articles are conveniently grouped on top
of it, and if you mouse over them, you can see a larger version.

For example, below you find links of comparisons of the page Bikini
between English and Chinese, Czech, Persian, Japanese, Korean, Latvian
http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|zh
http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|cs
http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|fa
http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|ja
http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|ko,
http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|lv

But you can search any page in any language and compare it with any
other language just using the controls on top of the interface.

We've created Manypedia with the goal of easing
cross-linguistic/cultural investigations so I would love to hear your
feedback about it.
Enjoy! ;)

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Emily Monroe emilymonro...@gmail.com wrote:
 How about using the German article to help out with the English one, and
 refactoring/deleting anything on the talk page that talks about anything
 except the article it's attached to?

 From,
 Emily


 On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Arnaud HERVE arnaudhe...@x-mail.net
 wrote:

 I just found an example which seems to me exemplary of a male dominated
 disaster :

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikini

 In the Article page what struck me as wrong was :

 1) The Sports bikini in beach volleyball photo, which has non pertinent
 erotic content imho

 2) The chapter about male underwear, which seems to me so inappropriate
 AND ridiculous I can't even begin to describe it.

 In the Discussion page there is totally male point of view discussion
 about whether the girl in red is in good shape enough.

 Then there is the raging Outrage comment which I fear might become
 systematic if you leave the door opened for that. I have never seen a
 kid being shocked by going to the beach and seeing bikinis. That's a
 perverse erotic assumption imho, under the guise of high morality.

 I took the time to have a look at the German page :

 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikini

 1) The first photo is semantically right, it shows better that bikinis
 are used to go the beach and swimming

 2) The history chapter is better developed

 3) The gallery and the drawings aptly show different kinds of bikinis

 4) No ridiculous male underwear content

 Also, there was a beach sports photo which seemed to me much better and
 devoid of erotic content yesterday. But sadly it's been removed at the
 moment I speak. It was this one :


 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Beach_volleyball-Huntington_Beach-California_1.jpg

 Ah yes and also the discussion on the German page is more competent and
 calm imho.

 So as a conclusion, the German bikini page represents for me a right
 state of mind and proper educational content, fit to be used in a school
 with students interested in fashion. The English page seems to me more
 influence by more or less lunatic authors, or authors less interested in
 knowledge.

 Arnaud



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Re: [Gendergap] Bikini example

2011-09-19 Thread Lennart Guldbrandsson

Manypedia is a really cool thing. 

Best wishes,

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 From: pa...@gnuband.org
 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:04:50 +0200
 To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Bikini example
 
 You can compare how different language Wikipedias use images in the
 same article using Manypedia.
 All images appearing in the articles are conveniently grouped on top
 of it, and if you mouse over them, you can see a larger version.
 
 For example, below you find links of comparisons of the page Bikini
 between English and Chinese, Czech, Persian, Japanese, Korean, Latvian
 http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|zh
 http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|cs
 http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|fa
 http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|ja
 http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|ko,
 http://manypedia.com/#|en|Bikini|lv
 
 But you can search any page in any language and compare it with any
 other language just using the controls on top of the interface.
 
 We've created Manypedia with the goal of easing
 cross-linguistic/cultural investigations so I would love to hear your
 feedback about it.
 Enjoy! ;)
 
 On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Emily Monroe emilymonro...@gmail.com wrote:
  How about using the German article to help out with the English one, and
  refactoring/deleting anything on the talk page that talks about anything
  except the article it's attached to?
 
  From,
  Emily
 
 
  On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Arnaud HERVE arnaudhe...@x-mail.net
  wrote:
 
  I just found an example which seems to me exemplary of a male dominated
  disaster :
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikini
 
  In the Article page what struck me as wrong was :
 
  1) The Sports bikini in beach volleyball photo, which has non pertinent
  erotic content imho
 
  2) The chapter about male underwear, which seems to me so inappropriate
  AND ridiculous I can't even begin to describe it.
 
  In the Discussion page there is totally male point of view discussion
  about whether the girl in red is in good shape enough.
 
  Then there is the raging Outrage comment which I fear might become
  systematic if you leave the door opened for that. I have never seen a
  kid being shocked by going to the beach and seeing bikinis. That's a
  perverse erotic assumption imho, under the guise of high morality.
 
  I took the time to have a look at the German page :
 
  http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikini
 
  1) The first photo is semantically right, it shows better that bikinis
  are used to go the beach and swimming
 
  2) The history chapter is better developed
 
  3) The gallery and the drawings aptly show different kinds of bikinis
 
  4) No ridiculous male underwear content
 
  Also, there was a beach sports photo which seemed to me much better and
  devoid of erotic content yesterday. But sadly it's been removed at the
  moment I speak. It was this one :
 
 
  http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Beach_volleyball-Huntington_Beach-California_1.jpg
 
  Ah yes and also the discussion on the German page is more competent and
  calm imho.
 
  So as a conclusion, the German bikini page represents for me a right
  state of mind and proper educational content, fit to be used in a school
  with students interested in fashion. The English page seems to me more
  influence by more or less lunatic authors, or authors less interested in
  knowledge.
 
  Arnaud
 
 
 
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[Gendergap] Women Rock at Supporting Nonprofit Causes

2011-09-19 Thread Sarah Stierch
Doing a bit of research on trends in museums (for an internship) and
stumbled across this article from May...

http://nonprofit.about.com/od/generationalfundraising/a/Women-Rock-At-Supporting-Nonprofit-Causes.htm

A lot of it solidifies many things some of us have been saying, believing
and reading about for a while now. I think it's so important for us to see
the gender differences in donations in Wikimedia, how we can really latch
into getting women who contribute as donors to be contributing beyond just
reading, and really let women know (donor or not) that just by
contributing content or images, or edits, is a donation, in a way, to the
world of knowledge. It's so important to let one another know that the work
we're doing is important - regardless of gender - but that it also has a
special image on women..and our contributions.

Your daily reminder... :)

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[Gendergap] A translation request

2011-09-19 Thread Ole Palnatoke Andersen
I compiled a small article about FastCompany.com's Most Influential
Women in Technology. Most or all of these women are notable, I guess
- they are on the list for a reason...

http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/FastCompany.com%27s_Most_Influential_Women_in_Technology
- it is in Danish, but should be fairly readable.

Regards,
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Re: [Gendergap] A translation request

2011-09-19 Thread Ryan Kaldari
It looks like we have biographies for slightly less than half of these 
people on the English Wikipedia. I would hazard that not all of them are 
actually notable per our guidelines, but I'm sure we're missing a lot 
that are.

Ryan Kaldari

On 9/19/11 2:12 PM, Ole Palnatoke Andersen wrote:
 I compiled a small article about FastCompany.com's Most Influential
 Women in Technology. Most or all of these women are notable, I guess
 - they are on the list for a reason...

 http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/FastCompany.com%27s_Most_Influential_Women_in_Technology
 - it is in Danish, but should be fairly readable.

 Regards,
 Ole



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Re: [Gendergap] Black skins

2011-09-19 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Arnaud,

I've just remembered a documentary related to your post that is very much worth 
watching.
Here is a link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXG38QxXY-s


Andreas

--- On Mon, 19/9/11, Arnaud HERVE arnaudhe...@x-mail.net wrote:

From: Arnaud HERVE arnaudhe...@x-mail.net
Subject: [Gendergap] Black skins
To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects 
gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Monday, 19 September, 2011, 13:06

On 17/09/2011 22:40, Emily Monroe wrote:
 I remember accessing Wikipedia several times throughout my teenaged 
 years; we cannot expect all of our readers to be an adult with a 
 better understanding of anatomy.

Just a quick note here : I've been talking to a dermatologist and she 
tells me one of the main issues is black women taking all sorts of meds 
to lighten their skin.

It is often detrimental to health, and also it leads to considerable 
money loss in impoverished families, and unnecessary sorrow.

I just thought Wikipedia should be aware of that. Here (fr) 
dermatologist are recruiting black women in the medical sector to lead 
campaigns against that.

I guess one of the ways would be to show dark black women pictures more 
often, not just light brown.

Arnaud

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Re: [Gendergap] Black skins

2011-09-19 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Here is an example of Caucasian bias: the en:WP article on [[hair 
straightening]]. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_straightening
Despite the fact that this is a topic of great practical interest to black 
women, many of whom
either have straightened their hair or have thought about doing it, the article 
makes no 
mention of afro hair, and the only two images are of Caucasian women. This 
article seems 
to fail a demographic of millions; and by failing these millions, we are also 
curtailing 
our chances of recruiting editors from this demographic, because it is likely 
to leave them
with the impression that Wikipedia is not written for them.

A.



--- On Mon, 19/9/11, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Black skins
To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects 
gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Monday, 19 September, 2011, 13:59

My impression is that we have an appalling dearth of photographs of black 
people generally, just like our coverage of black topics in general is wanting, 
including such basic areas as hair care and skin care. 
Articles on black intellectuals are often either poor stubs, or get deleted for 
erroneous assertions of lack of notability.
In my opinion, we need a major outreach to African studies scholars, and black 
media, because we are missing out on the knowledge people of colour could bring 
to the project.
Andreas

--- On Mon, 19/9/11, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Black
 skins
To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects 
gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Monday, 19 September, 2011, 13:28

Very interesting point.

Sydney

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Arnaud HERVE arnaudhe...@x-mail.net wrote:

On 17/09/2011 22:40, Emily Monroe wrote:

 I remember accessing Wikipedia several times throughout my teenaged

 years; we cannot expect all of our readers to be an adult with a

 better understanding of anatomy.



Just a quick note here : I've been talking to a dermatologist and she

tells me one of the main issues is black women taking all sorts of meds

to lighten their skin.



It is often detrimental to health, and also it leads to considerable

money loss in impoverished families, and unnecessary sorrow.



I just thought Wikipedia should be aware of that. Here (fr)

dermatologist are recruiting black women in the medical sector to lead

campaigns against that.



I guess one of the ways would be to show dark black women pictures more

often, not just light brown.



Arnaud



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Re: [Gendergap] Black skins

2011-09-19 Thread Brandon Harris


On 9/19/11 4:26 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
 Here is an example of Caucasian bias: the en:WP article on [[hair
 straightening]].

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_straightening

 Despite the fact that this is a topic of great practical interest to
 black women, many of whom either have straightened their hair or have thought 
 about doing it, the
 article makes no mention of afro hair, and the only two images are of 
 Caucasian women.

Topical to this, there is a documentary:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Hair

That points out that hair straightening (Relaxer) is a billion dollar 
industry.  This is a clear bias; I'm actually flabbergasted by this.

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Re: [Gendergap] Black skins

2011-09-19 Thread Sarah Stierch
History continues to be written by Anglos and it's just as apparent in
Wikipedia..and add a male dominated voice, and well...that's history.

The same goes for topics about Native American subjects. I say it in my
lecture about Indigenous peoples working with Wikipedia - it's just like any
other history, it's primarily written by white males, and that has to change
(followed with a picture of Kevin Costner).  (I'm sure the same goes for
other communities/races/ethnicity/skin colors articles, whatever you prefer,
as well, these are just two areas I tend to write in..)

Malcolm X described history being bleached, and I couldn't agree more.

And here is one of my favorite Onion slaps:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/white-history-year-resumes,139/

Having dialogue like this is a great start - I'd love to see it develop into
a larger community discussion, like the gender gap publicity did. There is a
lot of work to do, but, if we can develop successes with women, I like to
think we can develop opportunities with more specific communities - and
perhaps both at the same time.

-Sarah




On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.orgwrote:



 On 9/19/11 4:26 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
  Here is an example of Caucasian bias: the en:WP article on [[hair
  straightening]].
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_straightening
 
  Despite the fact that this is a topic of great practical interest to
  black women, many of whom either have straightened their hair or have
 thought about doing it, the
  article makes no mention of afro hair, and the only two images are of
 Caucasian women.

Topical to this, there is a documentary:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Hair

That points out that hair straightening (Relaxer) is a billion
 dollar
 industry.  This is a clear bias; I'm actually flabbergasted by this.

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Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs

2011-09-19 Thread Jutta von Dincklage
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 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:33:30 -0700
 From: Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs
   of  women
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 Update, and a request:
 
 The discussion thread John started has been very active, with I think about
 30 posts from a wide variety of customer service (OTRS) volunteers.
 

This could be a good idea, but let's not forget that women who start editing 
Wikipedia first need to find out how to get help and this needs to be obvious 
in the interface. 

I recently supported a female colleague of mine to join and start editing 
Wikipedia and I witnessed her signing up etc. and it was surprisingly hard and 
confusing... Unfortunately, we ended up in this testing group for account 
creation 
:http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Testing_content/Login_page/Frank%27s_proposal
In this testing group, the second screen is the one about topics. 'Health', the 
topic that we needed, was not one of them, so we selected 'biology' instead and 
a whole list of topics that need improvements was presented to us... However, 
she already knew which article she wanted to create, so it was a bit like 'Ok, 
how can I get out of here and draft my article?' I ended up showing her how she 
can do this and also ended up putting the Template:New_user_bar manually onto 
her user page, so that she's got a nicer profile page. I am sure we would 
potentially have lost her without my help... 

I thought I share this little experience. I think what I'll do next, is test 
her and see how she goes in getting some help without asking me ;-)

Cheers,
Jutta


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