Re: [Gendergap] Gendergap Digest, Vol 9, Issue 5
It has been concerning me for a while reading this discussion that the accusations rest heavily on an expectation that everyone can and should master English (and even American English) as well as write the language in an acceptable tone. This is a huge ask. Getting the tone right demands a very high level of skill along with a deep knowledge of a culture. Regardless of what you think of Beria's points, it is very unfair to demand anyone from a non-English-speaking background to learn English and it is certainly counterproductive in a global project. I admire her for continuing to contribute but I watch with some trepidation as non-English speakers are encouraged to unsubscribe. Arnaud's voice was different too and it has now apparently gone. You might be amused by an example of how difficult getting the tone right can be - at Wikimania, someone on stage cheerily encouraged the audience to go out and kick ass. Hearing this, I thought of the poor donkeys, which, of course, is what asses are - *Equus africanus asinus - *as Wikipedia helpfully explains. I was taken aback. Why are we being encouraged to brutalise these poor animals? It's not only cruel, it's senseless and inappropriate. However, being a VERY experienced English speaker, and cross-referencing the body language against the phrase, I twigged. Aha! It's slang for something. :) But heaven help the non-English speakers in the audience. My point is that here you don't have the body-language to help and we do need other voices. Girls is one of the least of our problems. Similarly, women who don't want to be feminists are okay too. In the first wave, some women campaigned against getting the vote and in the second wave, we had to cope with Women who want to be Women. (It was a political party). We are a contrary bunch and the issues remain difficult. Gillian On 2 October 2011 16:26, Sarah slimvir...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 21:27, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: ... (On the other hand, people on this list have a habit of using males to refer to men and women to refer to women. Flip side of the same coin, perhaps?). Interesting point, Nathan, that I hadn't noticed. But I have noticed the opposite on Wikipedia -- that women are often referred to as females, rather than women. It reads to my eyes as though a man is regarded as the default human position, and a female is another version. Sarah ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Women on Wikimedia group
Let's not reinvent the wheel, shall we? A group like Maggie described already exist - for years - under the name Wikichix-l (see http://lists.modernthings.org/listinfo.cgi/wikichix-l-modernthings.org ) Is a mailing list who exist since December 2006http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LSS/foundation-l-archives/2006_12_03-09and the sumary of creation was *Angela Beesley announced the creation of a mailing listhttp://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikichix-land Wiki http://wikichix.org/ for female WMF-projects editors to discuss gender bias and ways to make the projects more inviting for women. Discussion followed on whether this is a positive development, and whether a number of other divisions will (or should) spring up after this.* _ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.* On 2 October 2011 04:51, Lika Tika likatikalikat...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, This is my first time contributing to this list. First, I'd like to say that I don't think it's inappropriate to create an optional women only space. As Maggie mentioned, she is not interested in replacing this discussion. Protected spaces for minorities may be useful, especially considering the atmosphere sometimes present in this project. I do think it's interesting that men have repeatedly told the women in this discussion to essentially pipe down, or that they're doing things all wrong. Not that it might not be true, but they have certainly gone about it in a way that comes dangerously close to 'mansplaining.' Thanks for the invite, Maggie, I'll be joining you. Lika On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Marc Riddell michaeldavi...@comcast.netwrote: on 10/1/11 7:37 PM, Maggie at rockerre...@gmail.com wrote: I've created this group as a women's-only group to discuss things without being inhibited by a male presence, Maggie, ...inhibited by a male presence [?] Isn't this a personal issue that, I hope, each person would want to address within themselves; instead of joining a group that merely enables facilitates it? If the goal is to more solidly bridge the gap between the genders in the project - this is definitely not the way to go about it. Marc Riddell ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Women on Wikimedia group
I'm there for months and I must say is a pretty quiet mailing list. And we have around 60 members. No dia 2 de Out de 2011 09:32, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com escreveu: On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote: Let's not reinvent the wheel, shall we? A group like Maggie described already exist - for years - under the name Wikichix-l (see http://lists.modernthings.org/listinfo.cgi/wikichix-l-modernthings.org ) Is a mailing list who exist since December 2006 and the sumary of creation was Angela Beesley announced the creation of a mailing list and Wiki for female WMF-projects editors to discuss gender bias and ways to make the projects more inviting for women. Discussion followed on whether this is a positive development, and whether a number of other divisions will (or should) spring up after this. would it be possible for wikichix-l to give a summary or stats of activity on the list (number of active participants, etc)? -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Women on Wikimedia group
Have wikichix-l talked about possible solutions to the gender gap? -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Women on Wikimedia group
I'm not sure if I can talk about wikichix-l here (since is a private ml after all). Let me ask them and them I come to you with a answer :) _ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.* On 2 October 2011 09:56, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Have wikichix-l talked about possible solutions to the gender gap? -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Gendergap Digest, Vol 9, Issue 16
A bit rude are we? It would have been more useful to simply mention the other list, which I clearly was not aware of. Also, discussion followed on whether this is a positive development, and whether a number of other divisions will (or should) spring up after this. If anyone really would like to complain that this is sexist or not useful in creating a friendlier environment to women, then so be it, but these groups will exist either way. Because minority groups need to exist this moment in time for people to feel more comfortable in their own domains. This has consistently shown positive results with in diverse populations. Far in the future, when equality is achieved for all people, perhaps these types of groups will be null and void. The Gender Gap list will remain and allow for men to participate with women anyway, so it's no biggie. --Maggie Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 08:47:45 +0100 From: B?ria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Women on Wikimedia group To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: caa2xhjcrx4ty48wc_5rmaqvhbfywmpbpentsecapxwrnvcv...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Let's not reinvent the wheel, shall we? A group like Maggie described already exist - for years - under the name Wikichix-l (see http://lists.modernthings.org/listinfo.cgi/wikichix-l-modernthings.org ) Is a mailing list who exist since December 2006 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LSS/foundation-l-archives/2006_12_03-09and the sumary of creation was *Angela Beesley announced the creation of a mailing listhttp://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikichix-land Wiki http://wikichix.org/ for female WMF-projects editors to discuss gender bias and ways to make the projects more inviting for women. Discussion followed on whether this is a positive development, and whether a number of other divisions will (or should) spring up after this.* _ *B?ria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042 *Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano. ? isso o que estamos a fazer.* ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Women on Wikimedia group
The reason you can't find the archives is that it is a non-archiving list, and there are none. I too have been a member of this list for many years. It is used infrequently, and I believe its intention was to draw issues of interest to women editors to their attention, and to provide support to women who were encountering onwiki challenges; however, my overall impression is that at least for the last few years it has not been terribly active. There's no blame associated with that statement: many of the women on the list spend much of their wiki-time focusing on broader issues, and it's easy to forget posting to a smaller list when one is active on multiple other lists, or is busy working in a particular area that doesn't appear to be particularly interesting to women as a group. As I recall, there was also some debate a while back about whether or not trans women should be included in the list that created some dissent. Ultimately, I believe it was decided they could participate; in fact, my introduction to the list was from a trans woman. Risker/Anne On 2 October 2011 10:46, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: You can go here and look: http://wikichix.org/wiki/WikiChix But you also can't access that. The funny thing is that I'm am member on the list but I'm not a member on the website and a you can't join unless you state you are a woman in your application. Again, I haven't been able to access the archives since I've been a member, and I've never seen a post. I think it's been circumvented with the creation of this mailing list. I joined the list out of curiosity when the gender gap storm struck to see if anything was taking place. Angela is still an active editor, I just spoke to her recently. -Sarah On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 5:00 AM, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.ptwrote: I'm not sure if I can talk about wikichix-l here (since is a private ml after all). Let me ask them and them I come to you with a answer :) _ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.* On 2 October 2011 09:56, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Have wikichix-l talked about possible solutions to the gender gap? -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural artistic research advising.* -- http://www.sarahstierch.com/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Gendergap Digest, Vol 9, Issue 18
@Risker/Anne The Women on Wiki list, while membership is monitored, is archived and public--anyone can read it. Also trans women are absolutely accepted into this community. No question. I don't want to exclude any women from this group. --Maggie ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Gendergap Digest, Vol 9, Issue 18
If people can read it, doesn't it go against the privacy that women seek in the list? What about genderqueer? -Sarah On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Maggie rockerre...@gmail.com wrote: @Risker/Anne The Women on Wiki list, while membership is monitored, is archived and public--anyone can read it. Also trans women are absolutely accepted into this community. No question. I don't want to exclude any women from this group. --Maggie ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural artistic research advising.* -- http://www.sarahstierch.com/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Gendergap Digest, Vol 9, Issue 16
A bit rude are we? It would have been more useful to simply mention the other list, which I clearly was not aware of. Also, discussion followed on whether this is a positive development, and whether a number of other divisions will (or should) spring up after this. If anyone really would like to complain that this is sexist or not useful in creating a friendlier environment to women, then so be it, but these groups will exist either way. Because minority groups need to exist this moment in time for people to feel more comfortable in their own domains. This has consistently shown positive results with in diverse populations. Far in the future, when equality is achieved for all people, perhaps these types of groups will be null and void. The Gender Gap list will remain and allow for men to participate with women anyway, so it's no biggie. --Maggie Yes, I agree. Fred ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Girl Geek Dinner Volunteers
Hey Fiona, I think this is awesome. I didn't know that Girl Geek was considered international.. I'm busy as a bee, but, I'd love to develop an edit-a-thon, a cocktail edit-hour, a party, etc... I also like the idea that Girl Geek is inclusive - men can attend right (if a guest of a woman?)? As someone active in GLAM outreach, and interested in expanding that to serving as a mind the gap ambassador (that's my new favorite terminology...) this might be a good first opportunity for that. I travel between DC and San Francisco and it'd be great to host an event in both cities, or work with orgs in both. Feel free to add me into any mailings or conversations. Thanks for taking initiative with this. -Sarah On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Fiona Apps wikipa...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys! ** ** So, I've been speaking at Girl Geek Dinner events in the UK, spreading the good word about what it is we do, having editing sessions and then getting feedback from women on why they don't edit, or if they do, how they think Wikipedia can be improved to be more women-friendly. It's really interesting to do and the women who are involved are just the most wonderful people you could ever meet. ** ** I am emailing the head of Girl Geek Dinners at the moment to ask whether I can send an email out to all of the organisations asking if they would like to have a woman Wikipedian come and speak at their local event. Like I said, they're all absolutely wonderful, and the crowd size is usually about forty. They're a global organisation so anyone from anywhere can volunteer for this! ** ** My question is: Is anyone interested? If you are, please do email me with who your local chapter is and I will make a list so that if we are invited to these dinners I have a repository of people to invite to speak. The speech is already written, the format is already arranged and the women are friendly. So please, come one and all! ** ** Fiona /Panyd ** ** P.s. We usually bring cake too. Here's coverage from the Bristol event http://www.bristolwireless.net/2011/08/wikipedians-meet-girl-geeks-and-eat-cake/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural artistic research advising.* -- http://www.sarahstierch.com/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Girl Geek Dinner Volunteers
One more question Fiona - is this something we'd get funding through GG for or would we look towards chapter/WMF support? -Sarah On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote: Hey Fiona, I think this is awesome. I didn't know that Girl Geek was considered international.. I'm busy as a bee, but, I'd love to develop an edit-a-thon, a cocktail edit-hour, a party, etc... I also like the idea that Girl Geek is inclusive - men can attend right (if a guest of a woman?)? As someone active in GLAM outreach, and interested in expanding that to serving as a mind the gap ambassador (that's my new favorite terminology...) this might be a good first opportunity for that. I travel between DC and San Francisco and it'd be great to host an event in both cities, or work with orgs in both. Feel free to add me into any mailings or conversations. Thanks for taking initiative with this. -Sarah On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Fiona Apps wikipa...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys! ** ** So, I've been speaking at Girl Geek Dinner events in the UK, spreading the good word about what it is we do, having editing sessions and then getting feedback from women on why they don't edit, or if they do, how they think Wikipedia can be improved to be more women-friendly. It's really interesting to do and the women who are involved are just the most wonderful people you could ever meet. ** ** I am emailing the head of Girl Geek Dinners at the moment to ask whether I can send an email out to all of the organisations asking if they would like to have a woman Wikipedian come and speak at their local event. Like I said, they're all absolutely wonderful, and the crowd size is usually about forty. They're a global organisation so anyone from anywhere can volunteer for this! ** ** My question is: Is anyone interested? If you are, please do email me with who your local chapter is and I will make a list so that if we are invited to these dinners I have a repository of people to invite to speak. The speech is already written, the format is already arranged and the women are friendly. So please, come one and all! ** ** Fiona /Panyd ** ** P.s. We usually bring cake too. Here's coverage from the Bristol event http://www.bristolwireless.net/2011/08/wikipedians-meet-girl-geeks-and-eat-cake/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural artistic research advising.* -- http://www.sarahstierch.com/ -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural artistic research advising.* -- http://www.sarahstierch.com/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Girl Geek Dinner Volunteers
Hey, Depends on the organisation. Bristol was chapter support but Manchester was mostly support from the Girl Geeks themselves. IN summary, it is negotiable. Fiona From: gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Stierch Sent: 02 October 2011 17:39 To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Girl Geek Dinner Volunteers One more question Fiona - is this something we'd get funding through GG for or would we look towards chapter/WMF support? -Sarah On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Fiona, I think this is awesome. I didn't know that Girl Geek was considered international.. I'm busy as a bee, but, I'd love to develop an edit-a-thon, a cocktail edit-hour, a party, etc... I also like the idea that Girl Geek is inclusive - men can attend right (if a guest of a woman?)? As someone active in GLAM outreach, and interested in expanding that to serving as a mind the gap ambassador (that's my new favorite terminology...) this might be a good first opportunity for that. I travel between DC and San Francisco and it'd be great to host an event in both cities, or work with orgs in both. Feel free to add me into any mailings or conversations. Thanks for taking initiative with this. -Sarah On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Fiona Apps wikipa...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys! So, I've been speaking at Girl Geek Dinner events in the UK, spreading the good word about what it is we do, having editing sessions and then getting feedback from women on why they don't edit, or if they do, how they think Wikipedia can be improved to be more women-friendly. It's really interesting to do and the women who are involved are just the most wonderful people you could ever meet. I am emailing the head of Girl Geek Dinners at the moment to ask whether I can send an email out to all of the organisations asking if they would like to have a woman Wikipedian come and speak at their local event. Like I said, they're all absolutely wonderful, and the crowd size is usually about forty. They're a global organisation so anyone from anywhere can volunteer for this! My question is: Is anyone interested? If you are, please do email me with who your local chapter is and I will make a list so that if we are invited to these dinners I have a repository of people to invite to speak. The speech is already written, the format is already arranged and the women are friendly. So please, come one and all! Fiona /Panyd P.s. We usually bring cake too. Here's coverage from the Bristol event http://www.bristolwireless.net/2011/08/wikipedians-meet-girl-geeks-and-eat-c ake/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- GLAMWIKI Partnership http://www.glamwiki.org Ambassador for Wikimedia Wikipedian-in-Residence, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch Archives of American Art and Sarah Stierch Consulting Historical, cultural artistic research advising. -- http://www.sarahstierch.com/ -- GLAMWIKI Partnership http://www.glamwiki.org Ambassador for Wikimedia Wikipedian-in-Residence, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch Archives of American Art and Sarah Stierch Consulting Historical, cultural artistic research advising. -- http://www.sarahstierch.com/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Girl Geek Dinner Volunteers
Right on - so we'll just look at funding as it arises (especially because the States is special in regards to funding/chapters/blah). But good to know there might be opportunities for co-funding. Perhaps Laura might have interest in this in Australia - she posted about grants yesterday -Sarah On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Fiona Apps wikipa...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, ** ** Depends on the organisation. Bristol was chapter support but Manchester was mostly support from the Girl Geeks themselves. IN summary, it is negotiable. ** ** Fiona ** ** *From:* gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Sarah Stierch *Sent:* 02 October 2011 17:39 *To:* Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects *Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] Girl Geek Dinner Volunteers ** ** One more question Fiona - is this something we'd get funding through GG for or would we look towards chapter/WMF support? -Sarah On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Fiona, I think this is awesome. I didn't know that Girl Geek was considered international.. I'm busy as a bee, but, I'd love to develop an edit-a-thon, a cocktail edit-hour, a party, etc... I also like the idea that Girl Geek is inclusive - men can attend right (if a guest of a woman?)? As someone active in GLAM outreach, and interested in expanding that to serving as a mind the gap ambassador (that's my new favorite terminology...) this might be a good first opportunity for that. I travel between DC and San Francisco and it'd be great to host an event in both cities, or work with orgs in both. Feel free to add me into any mailings or conversations. Thanks for taking initiative with this. -Sarah On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Fiona Apps wikipa...@gmail.com wrote:* *** Hey guys! So, I've been speaking at Girl Geek Dinner events in the UK, spreading the good word about what it is we do, having editing sessions and then getting feedback from women on why they don't edit, or if they do, how they think Wikipedia can be improved to be more women-friendly. It's really interesting to do and the women who are involved are just the most wonderful people you could ever meet. I am emailing the head of Girl Geek Dinners at the moment to ask whether I can send an email out to all of the organisations asking if they would like to have a woman Wikipedian come and speak at their local event. Like I said, they're all absolutely wonderful, and the crowd size is usually about forty. They're a global organisation so anyone from anywhere can volunteer for this! My question is: Is anyone interested? If you are, please do email me with who your local chapter is and I will make a list so that if we are invited to these dinners I have a repository of people to invite to speak. The speech is already written, the format is already arranged and the women are friendly. So please, come one and all! Fiona /Panyd P.s. We usually bring cake too. Here's coverage from the Bristol event http://www.bristolwireless.net/2011/08/wikipedians-meet-girl-geeks-and-eat-cake/ ** ** ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural artistic research advising.* -- http://www.sarahstierch.com/ ** ** -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural artistic research advising.* -- http://www.sarahstierch.com/ ** ** ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural artistic research advising.* -- http://www.sarahstierch.com/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Women on Wikimedia Group
@Sarah If the woman on the list would prefer it to be private, I have no problem with that. I just didn't want it to seem like we were trying to hide anything. I am really familiar with all the issues in the gender community, and I know how feminism has tended to exclude non-white, disabled, or different gendered women in in the past. I would like the atmosphere to feel as inviting as possible. Trans*, genderqueer, intersex, whatever-it's all good. --Maggie ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Mind the Gap Barnstar/Award - I need your help!
Hi everyone, I recently mentioned the idea of the Mind the Gap barnstar/award. The term mind the gap is in reference to the warning set forth by the London underground to warn people to make sure they pay attention the space between the train door and the station platform (learn more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_the_gap). *Are you a designer? Or do you know a designer* who would be happy to volunteer their time to creating an award for Wikimedians who work hard to close the gap within Wikimedia through outreach, welcoming, standing up for others, writing about and maintaining women's articles or related images, and forth? Here is the original Mind the Gap logo...which I believe is under copyright?:http://www.earthpm.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/mind_the_gap.png Here is a cool feminist spin on it: http://londonstudentfeminists.blogspot.com/ Another fun piece of inspiration - the German women's movement logo of the 1970: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Womanpower_logo.svg I tried to develop something myself, but, my own skills are rather pathetic in regards to design. I will award you with a barnstar of your own and a beer if I ever meet you (or a beverage of your choice) - or the designer you recruit!! And of course fanatically praise the awesome-ness you or the designer are through Twitter, Wikipedia, mailing lists and beyond.. 3 THANK YOU for your consideration! -Sarah Stierch -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural artistic research advising.* -- http://www.sarahstierch.com/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Mind the Gap Barnstar/Award - I need your help!
Hi Sarah, I love this idea and have always loved the phrase in its original use too. I've passed on the request. Gillian On 3 October 2011 12:17, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I recently mentioned the idea of the Mind the Gap barnstar/award. The term mind the gap is in reference to the warning set forth by the London underground to warn people to make sure they pay attention the space between the train door and the station platform (learn more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_the_gap). *Are you a designer? Or do you know a designer* who would be happy to volunteer their time to creating an award for Wikimedians who work hard to close the gap within Wikimedia through outreach, welcoming, standing up for others, writing about and maintaining women's articles or related images, and forth? Here is the original Mind the Gap logo...which I believe is under copyright?:http://www.earthpm.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/mind_the_gap.png Here is a cool feminist spin on it: http://londonstudentfeminists.blogspot.com/ Another fun piece of inspiration - the German women's movement logo of the 1970: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Womanpower_logo.svg I tried to develop something myself, but, my own skills are rather pathetic in regards to design. I will award you with a barnstar of your own and a beer if I ever meet you (or a beverage of your choice) - or the designer you recruit!! And of course fanatically praise the awesome-ness you or the designer are through Twitter, Wikipedia, mailing lists and beyond.. 3 THANK YOU for your consideration! -Sarah Stierch -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural artistic research advising.* -- http://www.sarahstierch.com/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
