Re: [Gendergap] add gendergap list? / what stats hide
Answering B The lastest source of all gender stats is: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3AEditor_Survey_Report_-_April_2011.pdfpage=22which says woman are 9% of all editors (not 13% like says in the mailing list page) _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 12 May 2012 02:45, koltzenb...@w4w.net wrote: hi @all, I have two questions, A. @list admin* B. in general A. I think that on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mailing_lists in the list following The public mailing lists for the Wikipedia project include: gendergap should be added. how to describe the intention of this list? is this information still current? https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap B. ... and I always wonder why stats creators are so sure about knowing the gender of users behind user names - btw, either/or, apparently counting only two genders ... I would like to suggest that the list description for this list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap not repeat any such number in its list description, and certainly without pointing to the source of this information I also wonder what such statistics in particular may be intended to hide... as far as I am informed any stats (are designed to) hide more than they show ;-) thanks cheers, Claudia koltzenb...@w4w.net ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Mailing List statement
Hi there. I'll go ahead and add it to that list. I had no clue that list even existed. I don't think the description needs to be too complex. I think just stating that this list is for just what it says it is - people within and beyond the Wikimedia community interested in exploring ways to close the gender gap on Wikipedia and related projects. -Sarah On 5/12/12 11:56 AM, Karen Sue Rolph wrote: Dear colleagues, As for the 'Wikipedia: Mailing Lists' page [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mailing_lists ] I too would expect to see the gendergap list there. I propose it be described as follows - anyone can improve it, please - as this is wordy...: gendergap list focuses on female contributors' concerns, and topics likely to be of interest to people who are female, identify female, and those with particular interest in female voices. The female perspective is and was historically - and even in Wikipedia - minimized in multivariate ways not (yet) well understood. As such, gendergap is intended to be a safe place for controversial or difficult ideas and values. KS Rolph == Today's Topics: 1. interesting data for study? glass ceiling - or glass floor? (koltzenb...@w4w.net) 2. add gendergap list? / what stats hide (koltzenb...@w4w.net) 3. Re: add gendergap list? / what stats hide (B?ria Lima) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 06:31:40 +0100 From: koltzenb...@w4w.net To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Gendergap] interesting data for study? glass ceiling - or glass floor? Message-ID: 20120512052043.m74...@w4w.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi @all, I recently mailed an inquiry to a wikipedia list and it seems to me that the thread that ensued might be interesting data for study, possibly in the light of gender gap issues the thread starts here: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/pywikipedia-l/2012-May/007514.html btw, let me know if you have any idea (or know of someone who might have) for the actual topic of my inquiry, I mean: how to figure out the right query and where start the query etc. thanks cheers, Claudia koltzenb...@w4w.net ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- *Sarah Stierch* */Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow/* Mind the gap! Support Wikipedia women's outreach: donate today https://donate.wikimedia.org/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Please welcome Cindamuse as our new co-moderator
Hi everyone, Please welcome Wikipedian User:Cindamuse as our new co-moderator on the list. Cindy has been involved in Wikipedia for just over 5 years and is most active on English Wikipedia. She is highly active in the Global Education Program and has helped shape the program as a volunteer on various committees. She's a professional writer and is highly active in women's human rights programs in the North America, Southeast Asia, and Western Europe. She's quite a force to be reckoned with when it comes to the passion of women's rights, minding the gap and Wikipedia. Thanks Cindy for volunteering to join the moderator team for this list, and please give Cindy a warm thank you and welcome! You can visit Cindy's userpage here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cindamuse -Sarah -- *Sarah Stierch* */Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow/* Mind the gap! Support Wikipedia women's outreach: donate today https://donate.wikimedia.org/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] add gendergap list? / what stats hide
On 5/12/12 1:45 AM, koltzenb...@w4w.net wrote: I think that on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mailing_lists in the list following The public mailing lists for the Wikipedia project include: I added it to the list. I had no clue that Wikipedia page existed. I was only familiar with the meta page. I don't think that list is complete, actually. gendergap should be added. how to describe the intention of this list? is this information still current? https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap Technically, sure. Depending on the study, female contributors vary ranging from 9% to 13%. I've updated it to the recent statistics from the editor survey that was just released. Let's hope we can change it in the future. :P I can't really say much about the statistical data. The most recent editor survey is gathered via a survey site notice (or whatever), so it's the participants who are claiming their gender. You can find out peoples genders by turning on certain scripts, if the user has chose their gender in their profile. Also, sometimes you just know - my username is SarahStierch...so you can only assume I'm a female. When I did my Women and Wikimedia survey out of 1000 people I emailed only 2 wrote back saying they identified as men. You can also discover that type of stuff through infoboxes. You can only assume someone is a woman most of the time if they say they are. I did have to have assistance examining the data because I have a math disability making it hard for me to dissect numbers, so I'm probably not the best person to provide more detailed information. I think Ayush is probably the best person to ask about the editor's survey. If you would like me to point him in your direction I'm happy too, I don't think he's on this list. (And I vary well could have failed to understand your question! :D) -Sarah -- *Sarah Stierch* */Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow/* Mind the gap! Support Wikipedia women's outreach: donate today https://donate.wikimedia.org/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] Election and resolution results
Always great news to see women taking leadership in any non-profit and beyond :) Wonderful news thank you Tom and congratulations to Joscelyn and WM UK!! -Sarah On 5/12/12 6:28 PM, Tom Morris wrote: Just thought I should pass this on. Today, Wikimedia UK elected its first female director: Joscelyn Upendran is the Public Project Lead for Creative Commons UK. In addition, three other women stood for election to the board. -- Forwarded message -- From: James Farrarjames.far...@gmail.com Date: 12 May 2012 18:50 Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Election and resolution results To: wikimediau...@lists.wikimedia.org Dear all, Here are the results of the resolutions and elections held at the Wikimedia UK AGM today: Resolutions 1. Change of name: passed with 2 votes against and 4 abstentions 2. Registration in Scotland: passed with 1 vote against and 5 abstentions 3. Increasing the term of Board members: passed with 46 votes in favour, 10 against and 5 abstentions 4. Membership fees: passed without objection (1 abstention) 5. Appoint Board members: passed without objection (2 abstentions) 6. Approve 2011 accounts: passed without objection (7 abstentions) 7. Approve 2012 accounts: withdrawn 8. Re-appoint auditors: passed without objection (6 abstentions) Please note that for all resolutions except number 3, the actual tally of votes in favour was not kept as the show of hands and number of proxy votes given to the Tellers was sufficient to show an overwhelming majority in favour. Election of Board members The number of votes given for each candidate was as follows: Christopher Keating 52 Michael Peel50 Ashley Van Haeften 49 Joscelyn Upendran 48 John Byrne 46 Roger Bamkin46 Doug Taylor 40 Steve Virgin38 Saad Choudri34 Roshana Gammampila 27 Katie Chan 26 Alison Fayers-Kerr 11 Christopher Allen 10 Thomas Nichols 6 Gary Hayes 2 Junior Campbell 1 The total number of votes cast was 61, and therefore candidates required a minimum of 31 votes to be eligible for election. Therefore Christopher Keating, Michael Peel, Ashley Van Haeften, Joscelyn Upendran,John Byrne, Roger Bamkin and Doug Taylor have been duly elected to serve as Directors of Wikimedia UK. James Farrar For and on behalf of the Tellers ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- *Sarah Stierch* */Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow/* Mind the gap! Support Wikipedia women's outreach: donate today https://donate.wikimedia.org/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Article Cumshot in English and German Wikipedia
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote: There was an idea brainstormed a little while back with me and a few other folks about seeking funding to have a Wiki Loves Women photography event that wanted photographers to take photographs of women - and this wouldn't be some broad crowdsourced thing like WLM, we would work with photographers, various models etc and make this legit with releases, etc - doing whatever we needed them to be better represented doing, so to say. So, wearing certain articles of clothing (i.e. go go boots), certain make up looks or uses, hairstyles, - places that are often poorly represented regarding women's stuff (i.e. men don't get manicures that often, sorry) even as extreme as sex acts, I also wanted to just have women doing things like mowing the lawn and planting flowers or pan searing salmon or whatever things need videos to represent them (and no, these women wouldn't be nude :P). The latter was inspired by Jenny Geigel Mikulay's work at Alverno College where she had her students (it's a women's college) make films of things like playing drums, the art museum building kinetic architecture time-lapsed, etc. All of these videos have been uploaded to Commons. Someday I'll do it =) I can see it being a project that would be a perfect fit for Kickstarter. Commons' coverage of platform shoes or high-heeled shoes for example is appalling, given the thousands of designer shoes out there: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Platform_shoes http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:High-heeled_shoes Generally, Commons lacks Pinterest ... http://pinterest.com/ ... meaning that the sort of imagery that is characteristic of a women-dominated site like Pinterest is very underrepresented in Commons. As the WMF board resolution last year noted, the situation with model releases for pictures taken in private situations is dire in Commons. So many photos of this type are poached from Flickr without bothering to ask the Flickr account holder for model consent. The best way of showing up the present inadequacies would indeed be to do some work where all the t's are crossed, and all the i's dotted: proper copyright release, proper consent forms. It could be a model to be emulated. Andreas ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] The Dell Summit
Not sure what this has to do with Wikis, but its pretty sad all the same. It was a month ago, and not nearly enough has been made about it. http://news.cnet.com/8301-31322_3-57431869-256/why-we-need-to-keep-talking-about-women-in-tech/ it is getting fresh coverage on reddit too. Not sure why its revived, but it cant hurt to draw extra attention to this. http://www.reddit.com/r/business/comments/tk24s/dell_denmark_had_wellknown_danish_misogynist/ On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Dell held their annual summit this week in Europe. They hired a moderator for the opening day named Mads Christensen who is a media personality that is described as very conservative and this also is regarding his views towards women. Excerpts from a blog by a woman who attended: So here I am at Dell’s huge and very professional summit with founder Michael Dell, top people from Microsoft and Intel, impressive power points, expensive commercials, matching polyester ties and all that jazz, and then the – by Dell chosen – moderator starts to rejoice the lack of women in the room. “The IT business is one of the last frontiers that manages to keep women out. The quota of women to men in your business is sound and healthy” he says. “What are you actually doing here?” he adds to the few women who are actually present in the room. Dell’s moderator continues talking about his two Rolex watches and he then presents the next speaker from Intel. After the break Mads Christensen shares with us his whole “show” about the bitchy women who want’s to steal the power in politics, boards and the home. “Science” he calls it and mentions that all the great inventions come from men. “We can thank women for the rolling pin” he adds. And then the moderator of the day finishes of by asking all (men) in the room to promise him that they will go home and say “Shut up bitch!”. http://elektronista.dk/kommentar/dresscode-blue-tie-and-male/ I feel sick to my stomach. -Sarah -- Sarah Stierch Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow Mind the gap! Support Wikipedia women's outreach: donate today ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] The Dell Summit
Maybe we can boycott Dell until they issue an apology, if they havent already. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:01 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure what this has to do with Wikis, but its pretty sad all the same. It was a month ago, and not nearly enough has been made about it. http://news.cnet.com/8301-31322_3-57431869-256/why-we-need-to-keep-talking-about-women-in-tech/ it is getting fresh coverage on reddit too. Not sure why its revived, but it cant hurt to draw extra attention to this. http://www.reddit.com/r/business/comments/tk24s/dell_denmark_had_wellknown_danish_misogynist/ On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Dell held their annual summit this week in Europe. They hired a moderator for the opening day named Mads Christensen who is a media personality that is described as very conservative and this also is regarding his views towards women. Excerpts from a blog by a woman who attended: So here I am at Dell’s huge and very professional summit with founder Michael Dell, top people from Microsoft and Intel, impressive power points, expensive commercials, matching polyester ties and all that jazz, and then the – by Dell chosen – moderator starts to rejoice the lack of women in the room. “The IT business is one of the last frontiers that manages to keep women out. The quota of women to men in your business is sound and healthy” he says. “What are you actually doing here?” he adds to the few women who are actually present in the room. Dell’s moderator continues talking about his two Rolex watches and he then presents the next speaker from Intel. After the break Mads Christensen shares with us his whole “show” about the bitchy women who want’s to steal the power in politics, boards and the home. “Science” he calls it and mentions that all the great inventions come from men. “We can thank women for the rolling pin” he adds. And then the moderator of the day finishes of by asking all (men) in the room to promise him that they will go home and say “Shut up bitch!”. http://elektronista.dk/kommentar/dresscode-blue-tie-and-male/ I feel sick to my stomach. -Sarah -- Sarah Stierch Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow Mind the gap! Support Wikipedia women's outreach: donate today ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- John Vandenberg -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] The Dell Summit
Maybe some one can write a Wikinews story about it... On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:01 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure what this has to do with Wikis, but its pretty sad all the same. It was a month ago, and not nearly enough has been made about it. http://news.cnet.com/8301-31322_3-57431869-256/why-we-need-to-keep-talking-about-women-in-tech/ it is getting fresh coverage on reddit too. Not sure why its revived, but it cant hurt to draw extra attention to this. http://www.reddit.com/r/business/comments/tk24s/dell_denmark_had_wellknown_danish_misogynist/ On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Dell held their annual summit this week in Europe. They hired a moderator for the opening day named Mads Christensen who is a media personality that is described as very conservative and this also is regarding his views towards women. Excerpts from a blog by a woman who attended: So here I am at Dell’s huge and very professional summit with founder Michael Dell, top people from Microsoft and Intel, impressive power points, expensive commercials, matching polyester ties and all that jazz, and then the – by Dell chosen – moderator starts to rejoice the lack of women in the room. “The IT business is one of the last frontiers that manages to keep women out. The quota of women to men in your business is sound and healthy” he says. “What are you actually doing here?” he adds to the few women who are actually present in the room. Dell’s moderator continues talking about his two Rolex watches and he then presents the next speaker from Intel. After the break Mads Christensen shares with us his whole “show” about the bitchy women who want’s to steal the power in politics, boards and the home. “Science” he calls it and mentions that all the great inventions come from men. “We can thank women for the rolling pin” he adds. And then the moderator of the day finishes of by asking all (men) in the room to promise him that they will go home and say “Shut up bitch!”. http://elektronista.dk/kommentar/dresscode-blue-tie-and-male/ I feel sick to my stomach. -Sarah -- Sarah Stierch Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow Mind the gap! Support Wikipedia women's outreach: donate today ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- mobile: 0412183663 twitter: purplepopple blog: ozziesport.com ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
