I'm with ChaoticFluffy. This thread makes me want to slap one of those
This insults women stickers on other *women*.
Courtney
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 4:52 PM, ChaoticFluffy chaoticflu...@gmail.comwrote:
Just for the record: I am in possession of a full set of female genitalia,
and I think Carol's tone was aggressive and very clearly represented an
assumption of bad faith. Accusing other editors of AfDing articles because
of some crypto-misogyny plan they're secretly pursing, especially editors
who have no history of such a thing, is not helping to close of the
gendergap. It's shoving a wedge into that gap and going No one but me can
possibly be working for the good here. Off with you, penis-havers!
Similarly, implying that someone is not allowed to express an opinion
about someone's behavior unless/until they do the work you prefer them to
do is not advocating for women or women's rights. It's advocating for
shutting out everyone who isn't doing exactly what you want them to do, in
exactly the proportions you want them to do it.
In short: the repressive comments I see in this conversation are coming
from women, not men, and it saddens me that people think this sort of
behavior somehow helps anything.
-Fluffernutter
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote:
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I find nothing wrong with Carol's tone and I find it troubling that the
people who do are all men, and that men continue to dominate the
conversation with out having provided any real evidence of their value to
improving the gendergap or any evidence of having learned lessons from this
list... such as, you know, using the tone argument to historically repress
women and how it really looks when men appear to gang up on a woman to do
that.
Now, that may not be your intent, and I assuming you were acting in good
faith in making your comment... but now you know. :) And hopefully, you
will use fewer arguments used to historically repress female voices. :)
Anyway, what gendergap work have you been doing lately Ryan? We miss you
on Wikinews and would love to have you writing articles about women over
there. :)
Sincerely,
Laura Hale
Sent from my iPad
On 26/08/2012, at 7:11 PM, Ryan Vesey rdjve...@gmail.com wrote:
Carol, I have to point out that I added myself to the gender gap list
because I want to help reduce it; however, comments you make are pushing me
to remove myself. Your attitude when it comes to feminism is combative.
Taking a combative stance doesn’t help your argument.
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Ryan Vesey
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*From:* gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Thomas Morton
*Sent:* Sunday, August 26, 2012 11:38 AM
*To:* Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
*Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts
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What I am taking personally is your assertion that we nominated these
articles for some anti-female agenda.
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Which you continue to do by suggesting my characterisation of your
argument as ridiculous is due to you being a woman.
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The irony of then telling me not to take it personally is... Ah, well.. *
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Of course I take personally being characterised as holding offensive
views.
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The point was; I am educating you about the sorts of things that put
people off editing. I am a big believer in making wikipedia a welcoming
place, and your comments characterise the unfortunate low level nastiness
that often puts people off. I am sure it was unintended, hence the
explanation.
Tom Morton
On 26 Aug 2012, at 17:28, Carol Moore DC carolmoor...@verizon.net
wrote:
As a female I've been called ridiculous for having an opinion so many
times I don't even know what it means anymore :-)
But seriously, it's not like the nominator said:I'm on the GenderGap
list and here's why I think this list would agree these articles should be
deleted...
Don't take rejections of AfD nominations so personally...
CM
On 8/26/2012 11:50 AM, Thomas Morton wrote:
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On 26 Aug 2012, at 16:36, Carol Moore DC carolmoor...@verizon.net
wrote:
Questionable just means one has questions. So it's nice, unlike the
other words which I was contrasting with questionable - not using to
describe my specific questions on specific articles in that particular AfD
list. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Feminism/Article_alerts
But frankly I do wonder why two people on this list nominate brand new
articles related to women for deletion rather than improving them.
HOWEVER -- the specifics should be discussed at the relevant AfD pages,
so if this little dust up gets people there, goody goody!! :-)
CM
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Wow. What a ridiculous way to say yes. Ive always found you to be
switched on and relevant in the past; but looking over your contributions
to those AFDs
