I'm with ChaoticFluffy. This thread makes me want to slap one of those "This insults women" stickers on other *women*.
Courtney On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 4:52 PM, ChaoticFluffy <chaoticflu...@gmail.com>wrote: > Just for the record: I am in possession of a full set of female genitalia, > and I think Carol's tone was aggressive and very clearly represented an > assumption of bad faith. Accusing other editors of AfDing articles because > of some crypto-misogyny plan they're secretly pursing, especially editors > who have no history of such a thing, is not helping to close of the > gendergap. It's shoving a wedge into that gap and going "No one but me can > possibly be working for the good here. Off with you, penis-havers!" > > Similarly, implying that someone is not allowed to express an opinion > about someone's behavior unless/until they do the work you prefer them to > do is not advocating for women or women's rights. It's advocating for > shutting out everyone who isn't doing exactly what you want them to do, in > exactly the proportions you want them to do it. > > In short: the "repressive" comments I see in this conversation are coming > from women, not men, and it saddens me that people think this sort of > behavior somehow helps anything. > > -Fluffernutter > > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Laura Hale <la...@fanhistory.com> wrote: > >> <snip> >> >> I find nothing wrong with Carol's tone and I find it troubling that the >> people who do are all men, and that men continue to dominate the >> conversation with out having provided any real evidence of their value to >> improving the gendergap or any evidence of having learned lessons from this >> list... such as, you know, using the tone argument to historically repress >> women and how it really looks when men appear to gang up on a woman to do >> that. >> >> Now, that may not be your intent, and I assuming you were acting in good >> faith in making your comment... but now you know. :) And hopefully, you >> will use fewer arguments used to historically repress female voices. :) >> >> Anyway, what gendergap work have you been doing lately Ryan? We miss you >> on Wikinews and would love to have you writing articles about women over >> there. :) >> >> Sincerely, >> Laura Hale >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 26/08/2012, at 7:11 PM, "Ryan Vesey" <rdjve...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Carol, I have to point out that I added myself to the gender gap list >> because I want to help reduce it; however, comments you make are pushing me >> to remove myself. Your attitude when it comes to feminism is combative. >> Taking a combative stance doesn’t help your argument.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Ryan Vesey**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: >> gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Thomas Morton >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 26, 2012 11:38 AM >> *To:* Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects >> *Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts**** >> >> ** ** >> >> What I am taking personally is your assertion that we nominated these >> articles for some anti-female agenda. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Which you continue to do by suggesting my characterisation of your >> argument as ridiculous is due to you being a woman.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> The irony of then telling me not to take it personally is... Ah, well.. * >> *** >> >> ** ** >> >> Of course I take personally being characterised as holding offensive >> views. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> The point was; I am educating you about the sorts of things that put >> people off editing. I am a big believer in making wikipedia a welcoming >> place, and your comments characterise the unfortunate low level nastiness >> that often puts people off. I am sure it was unintended, hence the >> explanation. >> >> Tom Morton**** >> >> >> On 26 Aug 2012, at 17:28, Carol Moore DC <carolmoor...@verizon.net> >> wrote:**** >> >> As a female I've been called ridiculous for having an opinion so many >> times I don't even know what it means anymore :-) >> >> But seriously, it's not like the nominator said:"I'm on the GenderGap >> list and here's why I think this list would agree these articles should be >> deleted... " >> >> Don't take rejections of AfD nominations so personally... >> >> CM >> >> On 8/26/2012 11:50 AM, Thomas Morton wrote:**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On 26 Aug 2012, at 16:36, Carol Moore DC <carolmoor...@verizon.net> >> wrote:**** >> >> Questionable just means one has questions. So it's nice, unlike the >> other words which I was contrasting with questionable - not using to >> describe my specific questions on specific articles in that particular AfD >> list. See: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Feminism/Article_alerts >> >> But frankly I do wonder why two people on this list nominate brand new >> articles related to women for deletion rather than improving them. >> >> HOWEVER -- the specifics should be discussed at the relevant AfD pages, >> so if this little dust up gets people there, goody goody!! :-) >> >> CM**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> Wow. What a ridiculous way to say "yes". Ive always found you to be >> switched on and relevant in the past; but looking over your contributions >> to those AFDs it feels like your certain the aim is to remove these >> articles because we are anti-women. And for no other reason. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> This is the sort of thing that puts women off editing Wikipedia and I am >> happy to call it out. **** >> >> Tom**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap**** >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5225 - Release Date: 08/26/12 >> **** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >
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