Re: [Gendergap] More Dangerous to be a Woman Than a Soldier
This is something that's been on my mental list of articles to write. Someday... Rape in the U.S. Military Just searched rape U.S. military in wikipedia and just a mention of Okinawa, not the horrific statistics. Crime and U.S. military (safer article to start with to avoid AfD) showed nothing as well. Put a note on feminist wikiproject (i'm flustered dealing with crashing computer, new one in mail, and occupying DC, or a day or two anyway, just long enough to convince them -- well, let's not talk politics... but I do have some sexist pig peace activists I'll probably be running into... one of whom has a vanity article on wikipedia... don't get me started... Carol in dc On 10/4/2011 12:28 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote: Intense (and brief) piece from Forbes about women as victims in war in Africa: http://www.forbes.com/sites/shenegotiates/2011/10/04/more-dangerous-to-be-a-woman-than-a-soldier/ You'll also notice that Forbe's cites Wikipedia's article about micro-lending! - ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Sue's new blog
Most of us don't have time to read through long email(s) and a long article trying to figure out what sentence or two someone claims is a lie. Not very useful to the discussion, not to mention civil. On 9/30/2011 5:49 AM, Béria Lima wrote: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-September/069078.html _ /Béria Lima/ Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042 /Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer./ On 30 September 2011 00:37, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org mailto:rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: Would you like to elaborate? Ryan Kaldari On 9/29/11 4:35 PM, Béria Lima wrote: I think it works both ways: There you might get stomped on by people who disagree with the lies Sue told in the post, and here I will be stomp up for even mentioned that she did lied in that blog post. Safe environment do not exist in this case. Is safeR for supports to come here, and safeR for opposers to go there. That does not make any list safe, only shows that the POV here is different than the POV there. _ /Béria Lima/ Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042 /Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer./ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Gender neutrality template
There are other more powerful groups that would use the precedent to
create a template that would censor a number of articles that already
are heavily patrolled and censored by organized groups of editors (many
of them surely paid, not that they'd ever admit it).
Instead use the POV template and make editors think by explaining the
POV template on the talk page. And mention the problem on Wikiproject
Feminism.
On 9/30/2011 11:30 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
What do you think about creating a {{gendergap}} or {{GNPOV}}
(gender-neutral point of view) template in en:WP? This could have a
format similar to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:NPOV
and could use an image like
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Igualtat_de_sexes.svg
The text could say something like:
The gender neutrality of this article is disputed. Please see the
discussion on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until
the dispute is resolved.
Note that templates of this sort come with associated categories such as
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:NPOV_disputes_from_September_2011
These categories can help identify articles with active disputes.
Thoughts?
Do we already have a template like that that I am unaware of?
Best,
Andreas
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Re: [Gendergap] vulgar jokes and sexualized environments on Wikipedia
To beef up women's assertiveness so they protest, or to give more power to some authoritarian editors to delete and block reverters, that is the question. Why not do both?? :-) Or just get more assertive female admins. A job I myself shrink at the thought of. I already have enough problems just trying to edit the controversial articles I so often end up editing. But then I am a glutton for punishment - or is it merely negative attention?? On 9/30/2011 3:35 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: Twice recently I have been reverted for removing vulgar jokes from article talk pages on the English Wikipedia - most recently for removing a joke who's punchline was A woman's anus after she was sodomized!. Although I appreciate the use of humor on Wikipedia, and support the inclusion of potentially offensive material within appropriate contexts, I think these type of jokes are not appropriate on talk pages and create a sexualized environment that is often unwelcoming for women (as well as people from other cultures/religions/backgrounds). I think this issue is pertinent to the gender gap (unlike my other recent posts), and would like to hear other people's opinions. I've also started a discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Civility#Vulgar_jokes for broader input. Ryan Kaldari ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe
A bit less on nudity too which might appeal to/attract/encourage prurient interests under the guise of helpfulness ;-( On 9/27/2011 6:53 PM, Emily Monroe wrote: Hmm. Perhaps, Fred, perhaps. ;-) From, Emily On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net mailto:fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: So you think we might get more done if we have the common sense not to discuss politics and religion? Fred Hi everyone, Apologies for my bad English. English is not my mother tongue. Let us not use this mailing list to discuss religion. Let us concentrate on strategies to improve participation of women in Wikimedia projects instead. Thank you -- Netha Hussain User: Netha Hussain Student of Medicine and Surgery *nethahussain.blogspot.com http://nethahussain.blogspot.com swethaambari.wordpress.com http://swethaambari.wordpress.com* ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] 13 year old joins WP Pornography?
For legal reasons you have to have a minimum age of 18 and kick off anyone who admits they are under 18 or are somehow exposed as being under 18. (Unless all those opposed want to put up their real names and addresses and personally claim full legal and financial responsibility for any criminal charges.) The question is, is there a legal duty to verify age of those who do not reveal their age? Or who lie about it, should there be a requirement they reveal it? On 9/23/2011 5:45 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: Whether or not the editor is indeed thirteen years old is probably relatively unimportant. What matters is that voices in the RfC generally (about 3:1) oppose the idea of a minimum age of 18 for contributors to the WikiProject. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#RfC:_Should_underage_editors_be_topic_banned_from_articles_in_the_WikiProject_Pornography_topic_area.3F http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28policy%29#RfC:_Should_underage_editors_be_topic_banned_from_articles_in_the_WikiProject_Pornography_topic_area.3F Andreas ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Wikiquotes
Looking at my wikiquotes talk page for the first time in a while, I was reminded that is another area women's contributions may not be taken as seriously. Example: the deletion in 2009 of poet Marcella Boccia's quotes from English wikipedia after her article had been deleted from En wikipedia. Actually, I just checked and it's not in the Italian wikipedia version either. Despite http://www.google.com/search?ned=ushl=enq=Marcella+Bocciatbm=nwstbs=ar:1 notability in Italian I noted at time of deletion discussion. So let's not forget Wikiquote!! ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe
Couple thoughts: *A few moderate Muslim editors chiming in on some of the things we don't like either on Wikipedia wouldn't hurt. *It would be nice if the most obvious of corruption of liberal or libertarian views wasn't lascivious female nudity; but even the Christian Conservatives have come to adapt. * And of course it should be recognized that most of these liberal/libertarian individuals and groups DO recognize that having the US/Europe constantly attacking Muslim countries to choose their leaders only increases the power and influence of the radical Muslims. On 9/7/2011 4:34 AM, Arnaud HERVE wrote: Some radical Muslims want the sharia immediately applied to all populations, even non Muslims, because sharia is the law from God, and God is far superior to any parliament or constitution. Some Muslims are more tolerant for other populations, but for their own family it is still the law, the law as in not a personal choice. Some other Muslims would like to get rid of Islam, but they are not helped by the prevailing multicultural policies, which tend to accept community leaders as the true representatives of what they wish. In the past, xenophobia was restricted to extreme-right political groups. However recently there has been a change, and the liberal lobbies have turned against Islam, which creates a new situation as it is the immigrant population which is now perceived as culturally backwards and threatening for civic rights. The majority of native European populations now perceive immigration as civilization threatening, and in this context Islam is perceived as particularly incompatible with Western civilization. Gender issues have become a major landmark for that in public debate. Gay groups, feminist groups, secular groups, now perceive the right to show female nudity, the right to celibate autonomous life, the right to gender orientation as gains of modern civilization, to defend actively and specifically against Islam. In the past it was against the local conservative right, now it is explicitly against Islam. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Resolution:Images of identifiable people
Anyway they can italic or bold this Phrase: in a private place or situation without permission. ?? On 9/12/2011 10:53 AM, Sydney Poore wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com mailto:sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: I have no clue how I missed this (and perhaps it's been posted before?) http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Images_of_identifiable_people Perhaps we can lend a hand to assist in this? -Sarah Yes, the WMF Board passed this resolution in May, and it helped focus the discussion away from the idea that people want to delete controversial content only because of they are prudes. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Calling all neutral user names She?
I used to use they, but with all these she's lately, and some editors calling her he, I thought... why not. Someone mentioned privately http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-neutral_pronoun#Modern_solutions So options is best way to go, and let nature take its course as what seems most appropriate or the mood I'm in... ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Pregnancy article lead-image RFC
If someone wants to beat me to the punch, go for it. Hmmm, I know some feminist photographers In fact, a few of us probably do. What better consciousness raiser than a fact (or photo) on the ground that they then have to deal with?? On 9/6/2011 9:51 PM, Sarah wrote: On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 19:27,carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: Lots of us old hippie women are exhibitionists and I could advertise and get a few of us to pose. Then the young guys would have to discuss whether the 19 year old or 60 year old breast/nude/buttock etc. is more appropriate for an article. Hope that also engenders a good laugh Carol in dc It's actually a serious point, though. It would be great to provide images for those articles that don't portray women the way certain men want to see them portrayed. I recall the Body Shop did that a couple of decades ago -- started using images of women that fell outside the usual range that tended to be objectified (older, not thin, etc). They produced some very good ads as a result. The difficulty for us would be in finding those images, then in maintaining them on the pages. Sarah ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Just a few days into have the IRC channel
It sounds good for socializing, announcing and and brainstorming, but without archiving seems problematic for ongoing organizing. (I.e. task oriented people like me might not like it as much as social networking oriented people) On 8/24/2011 1:34 PM, Brandon Harris wrote: I think this is a mis-characterization of the medium and its usage. I've been using IRC since, oh, 1991 or so, however, so it's a natural thing for me. One of the issues - especially with software support channels - is that they are actually *slow moving*. And you're supposed to idle and wait for answers. IRC is a *background* process; you throw the window at the bottom of the stack and wait for it to notify you that someone has said something to you. I can help you get online if you like. I'll need to know what kind of computer you use. On 8/24/11 10:01 AM, Arnaud HERVE wrote: On 22/08/2011 04:58, carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: I confess, I'm not sure what IRC is and not enough info in the #address for me to get there easily. ;-( IRC is a chat system, except it is a bit more difficult to install and register in than say your average msn or skype. But basically you type messages with your keyboard, and they disappear as several other people answer. It was used first by professional geeks, and it has recently spread to clever teenagers. Since you are new to it I might as well give you my own experience, warning you though that it is entirely negative. The first time i used irc was about a software that I used, because the programmers on that website said if you have questions please pay us a visit on irc. I found it extremely inconvenient, because : - You did not find the right person to answer your question if that person appeared to be offline. - The other way round, interesting answers given on irc quickly disappeared and were not published for all the other interested people to read. In other words, irc was for me insanely unproductive, especially compared to the forum that the website already had, with messages that could wait online for the right reply, or stayed online for readers with same questions. Also, the discussions were not categorized on irc, or had no title like here, so that with your question you were forced to meddle in other conversations going on about other topics. I then thought that irc was a media for computer-illiterate people. You may ask then why was it used by programmers ? Well it was a social need for programmers to gather in a specific space not for noobs. The second time I used irc was in my leisure time, in connection with a team for the translation of Japanese anime. There was a lot of pleasant chat, banter, even quizz games, but it was very difficult to maintain a conversation about the translation of Japanese anime amidst all that noise. Also, since I was already typing around 3k words a day, it proved impossible for me to stay on the keyboard in the evening. I had to go out, walk, watch movies... well in general turn away from the computer. Or get a life is another way of putting it. Another element that disturbed me is the conversation-between-close-friends atmosphere that irc creates. Those people were more like hobby acquaintances, not the kind of friends who will visit you if you are sick, who will help you moving furniture between appartments, etc. Not even people you will eat with. The atmosphere was too friendly for people you hardly know. I was too old-school for that I guess. The common point between geek users and teenager users is that irc is for people who : - do not use computers intensively in their work, or do not mind using them intensivey again in their free time - don't mind spending their evenings typing alone in their rooms, making friends with unknown people - don't mind if their messages disappear, don't mind if some relevant readers will never read them - don't mind if they miss relevant messages if they happen to be away - don't mind sympathizing closely with people that they will never see or are ready to forget immediately As a conclusion, irc is from my point of view totally incompatible with political discussions, which would require taking time to write to write articulate messages, taking time to read them, separating the topics to make them reasonably readable, and a social atmosphere suited for distant sympathizers for a cause. My two cents, anyway who am I to criticize, since I won't use it. I have documents to read instead. I don't chat, I read and write. If you don't know how to register, have someone show you, you will make your own opinion. Arnaud ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] an example of the unwanted attention problem
First, note per my last message on stalkers, obviously the other editors on the issue in question were assumed to be or admittedly male. I identify with below. Some women are just more diplomatic than we may be; others have unconsciously gotten into the habit of always apologizing for opining - though theose often may be more likely to leave. What's funny is on a current article I originally thought two aggressive editors, one of whom even attacked me bringing up an old block to try to keep me from editing, turned out to be women. However, they are editing on an article where the top allows them to actualize the role of the female bear protecting her cubs. Also, while it can be frustrating, I don't let my lack of tech saavy let me feel bad. Better to carp that the tech savvies should make it easier for the rest of us and get them to admit you are right! :-) On 8/24/2011 8:09 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote: The only power I have right now is a delete or ignore button. For me, I just keep on keepin on, because *I expect people to be direspectful and sexist to me on Wikipedia*. The only thing I can do is to them otherwise, speak my mind and say what I think, which I'm rather good at. I also rely strongly on, to be honest, fellow editors - primarily men - who speak up on my behalf. The few women I know who I consider really good friends on Wikipedia aren't involved in any aspect of the gender gap, and aren't as proactive or opinionated as me. Which, I guess gets me into more trouble than usual. Often these situations are as common as the sexism I might experience in the real world, outside of work - but, Wikipedia...it's sort of work for me, right now. To be honest, I have a terribly low selfesteem when it comes to my work in Wikimedia - whether it's thinking I should apply for a job or fellowship, or it's applying for an admin position, or just speaking up in certain topics. I feel that I'm not tech savvy enough, and it's really intimidating since so much of the culture is based around that. It's also intimidating, in general. Just like any other geek world - whether it's playing online RPGs (yes, I've dabbled a bit) or having acquaintances who do society for creative anarchonism (aka play dress up like dungeons and dragons characters) - they assume because of my name I am one thing. The only thing I can do is prove them wrong, including the women sometimes too. I often channel my anger into changing things. But, when I think about my own experiences, I have no idea what to to do about them. -Sarah ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Back to Wikiquette alerts? Sigh...
I knew it was just a matter of time before I myself would have to go running to wikiquette alerts (assuming other editors also fed up with same individual(s) in article in question don't also denounce the incessant personal attacks by one editor on me). And this is an issue where two evidently pro-prosecution editors against a woman found innocent in a trial are playing bad cop/good cop on a number of editors and (till I made stink about 3RR) were doing 4-6 RR regularly, reverting the many various editors who presented edits, especially ones vs. their POV. (Including with we're legal experts excuses. After much badgering on that score I felt forced to mention having been a professional legal secretary for many years.) Since I'm the only obvious female, I'm in the biggest trouble, of course. Mostly for being uppity, mentioning pro prosecution POV and thereby showing some sympathy with the (wrongly acquitted in their minds?) female's position. I'll soldier on. Can't decide if it's an issue for Feminism wikiproject. But definitely a combination of the behavioral and anti-female content issues that drive women away from wikipedia... Carol in dc ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] New Survey: 9% female editors
On 7/2/2011 12:34 PM, Casey Brown wrote: On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 10:52 AM,carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: I had a bit of trouble figuring out what the targets and strategy for increasing participation are, however. The part you just pasted linked to http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Movement_Strategic_Plan_Summary/Summary, which gives these as the 2015 targets: * Increase the total number of people served to 1 billion * Increase the number of Wikipedia articles we offer to 50 million * Ensure information is high quality by increasing the percentage of material reviewed to be of high or very high quality by 25 percent * Encourage readers to become contributors by increasing the number of total editors per month who made5 edits to 200,000 * Support healthy diversity in the editing community by doubling the percentage of female editors to 25 percent and increase the percentage of Global South editors to 37 percent Did you already see that? If you didn't see that, then I think those are the targets and the last seems to be related to this list. Thanks. I must have clicked on strategy again instead of targets by mistake. 25% would be a good start. I dislike phrase Global South since needs too much explanation. But the 2/3 (or whatever percent) of the human population which lives in the economically developing world is a bit of a mouthful. It also helps to remind people that wikimedias exist in dozens of languages, but how to add that to one short phrase, I know not! If you already saw it, then what other targets are you looking for? We might have another page bout it somewhere. Casey ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons
Guess we need lots more people on Commons, too, who do not tolerate bigotry towards women On 5/26/2011 8:01 PM, Béria Lima wrote: carol, en.wiki aproved that, Commons didn't. You can't use a rule from one wiki in another. IF - and that is a BIG if, if commons community approve such kind of rules, you people can remove all comments you can find Until there, is censure, and you people will not do it while i'm there to watch commons RC. _ /Béria Lima/ Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042 /Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer./ 2011/5/27 carolmoor...@verizon.net mailto:carolmoor...@verizon.net Racist, homophobic and anti-semitic comments are certainly criticized and people ask for their removal. A pattern of such comments could get one banned. The same should be true for obviously sexist comments. In fact, it's here See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civil#Identifying_incivility - after a long debate with some editors strongly opposed to adding such sexist comments. * (b) personal attacks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks, including racial, ethnic, sexual, gender-related and religious slurs, and derogatory references to groups such as social classes or nationalities; On 5/26/2011 2:53 PM, Sarah wrote: 2011/5/26 Ryan Kaldarirkald...@wikimedia.org mailto:rkald...@wikimedia.org Those types of comments are a lot worse than unnecessary. They create a sexualized environment that is exclusionary to anyone who isn't a heterosexual male. If this doesn't make sense to you, please read through http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Sexualized_environment These types of comments should be removed on sight. If you see them, please delete them or email me. Thanks. On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 12:34, Béria Limaberia.l...@wikimedia.pt mailto:beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote: If you start the censure in Commons, Ryan, your cause will be in Adm noticeboard on sight _ Béria Lima Wikimedia Portugal (351) 963 953 042 Béria, you've rightly asked that people not generalize their responses, where they assume everyone feels as they do. But the same applies to you. You're not offended by these comments. You would see their removal as censorship. Others disagree, and their arguments are valid too. It would be interesting if we could try to find common ground. I agree with you that it's important not to be over-sensitive. But a big problem is that women have been taught for hundreds of years that they're just over-reacting when they say they see discrimination. So the question is: how do we create an environment that's welcoming for as many groups as possible -- including groups who are sensitive to perceived discrimination, and groups who are sensitive to perceived censorship? Sarah _ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3662 - Release Date: 05/26/11 ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Commons as an art gallery?
*puerile* - perfect! * A good long list makes the squeaky wheel loud and clear :-) On 5/16/2011 11:40 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: There is a long thread on the Commons and Gendergap lists about today's featured image on Commons: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/commons-l/2011-May/ http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2011-May/ It's an original piece of art by a Wikimedian, in the style of erotic manga: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:On_the_edge_-_free_world_version.jpg The picture was removed from the main page by a WMF staff member, acting as an ordinary editor, and then restored a few hours later by a Commons admin. Aspects of the image that have been discussed include the fact that * it has no noteworthy artistic value * it is used to showcase a Wikimedian's artwork on the project main page * it lacks educational value, being the work of a non-notable Wikimedian * it makes the Foundation look puerile * it might turn off serious educators * it might turn off older people * it might turn off schools * it might turn off women * it might turn off institutions owning valuable content from donating to the Foundation * it is the victim of cultural fascism directed against manga/anime * it is the victim of prudery * it is the victim of censorship * not showing the image on the mian page would undermine the Foundation's mission etc. etc. This is really a Foundation topic though. Are projects' main pages there to showcase Wikimedians' fine art? If yes, then why do we not have songs by unsigned garage bands in the style of ... as featured media of the day? Should the Foundation establish guidelines on what type of content to feature on project main pages? Crossposted to Foundation-l, Commons-l and Gendergap. Andreas ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Submissions 2 Wikimania 2011
The interface isn't too user friendly. Here's: * http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Schedule * http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2011 On 5/10/2011 10:12 AM, carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: Per http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Call_for_Participation#Submission It's not too late to submit related proposals to Wikimania, for those going. http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Submissions/ Is a list of current ones. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Wikipe-tan Might be more appropriate. Ways of dealing with it: come up with much more appropriate and popular symbol widely disseminated. Come up with male and female wikipe-tans and put those up. Try to delete all the female only ones. On 3/20/2011 4:05 PM, Juliana da Costa José wrote: hehe ;) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipe-tan%27s_past,_now_and_future2.png 2011/3/20, Carol Moore in DCcontac...@carolmoore.net: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Wikipe-tan I started a debate here. Uh oh, sexual innuendo warning. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1498/3518 - Release Date: 03/20/11 ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Visible female faces for Wikim/pedia
I noticed that the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipe-tan just survived a second deletion attempt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Wikipe-tan_%282nd_nomination%29 The main Wikipe-tan image obviously should be the focus of *Change*. Obviously there are lots of fans. But once there are alternatives, it might be easier to go for individual or mass deletion of the most problematic ones. Also, I searched create anime character and found a bunch of places where you can, which might solve artistic problem, depending on if programs exist for creating them off line and non-copyrighted. In case someone wants to check it out. On 3/20/2011 8:46 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: Just a technical note: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Mass_deletion_request Fred ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Outreach..was.. Proposal: Forking gendergap
On 3/17/2011 6:43 AM, elisabeth bauer wrote: 2011/3/17 Carol Moore in DCcontac...@carolmoore.net: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap/outreach_letters My first draft of any outreach email letter - which I sent an earlier version of to a bunch of women with no positive feedback. What do you mean by this? Did you get any feedback at all? **If I remember correctly, the response was two Good idea, but I'm too busy messages. Like all forms of advertising, it is necessary to repeat the message before people pay attention. So actually there need to be a series of messages for such group lists over a period of a month or so. Whether they are all people you know personally, partially know (as in case of two different lists I sent to) or not know at all. Say, one introductory and explicit one like the draft I put up. Two short, wow, look at this article I worked on on wikipedia (in their area of interest) with general encouragement to edit. (I.e., obviously not as canvassing to get support on a disputed article). Maybe mixed into some discussion on some topic. And then another one that again encourages them in a short friendly way. Plus drop in links to various articles on topics discussed from time to time after that. Maybe even put it in one's tag line I edit wikipedia! Can you guess my handle? or whatever. So waiting for others to comment or come up with different approaches before sending out such outreach emails more widely I don't think outreach letters, however well formulated, will motivate many people to try editing Wikipedia. If you know the women you sent your letter to, why not rather invite them to an edit wikipedia party? Great idea! Is there a link to show how to do that? I can imagine a few of us getting together and, after running through the basics, having TOO much fun with some article, meat puppeting away. (Especially if someone brings booze.) So good to have clear guidelines on how to do that as a party - but not party too hard! :-) greetings, elian ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] The problem is aggression.... was ... Proposal: Forking gendergap:
I don't have a problem with people starting an all women list specifically on this topic through whatever appropriate list serve service seems appropriate. It can make its own rules about participants. The impression I got was the proposal was to make *this* the all women list, which I oppose. With all back and forth one gets confused. On 3/16/2011 7:59 PM, SlimVirgin wrote: On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 17:52,carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: I second. The problem is aggression and trying to impose one's agenda, and whether you are male, female, M2F transgender or F2M transgender, you can be aggressive and disruptive. (And I've been on a couple all women lists over the years where M2F transgenders were very aggressive, condescending and disruptive.) I don't see any agreement with Ms. Hale's proposal and I think we need to drop it. It's true, though, that there are things I would post about Wikipedia on a women-only list, if I could be 100 percent sure that's what it was. And as if to prove that point, I just typed out an example, then deleted it because I felt uncomfortable. :) So even if Laura's proposal isn't being supported, I hope it gives food for thought. And there's nothing to stop her from setting up such a list herself. Sarah - ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
