Re: [Gendergap] (no subject)
ideology of privilege: 10. fear of open conflict http://books.google.com/books?id=C1zcxPwyGbkClpg=PR5pg=PA4#v=onepageqf=false beware of driving dissent off wiki it can come back 300 votes strong and blithe assertions of MfD would be taken as incivility then. i think we should not be engaging but organizing. On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 7:30 PM, Heather Walls hwa...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Tim Davenport shoehu...@gmail.com wrote: I for one would immediately be running the project through the Miscellany for Deletion process. You don't see anything slightly wrong with this idea? Really?!? This is 100% unadulterated identity politics. You say that as if identity politics is somehow inherently negative. Tim Davenport Carrite on WP /// Randy from Boise on WPO Corvallis, OR Is it simply impossible to start a Wikipedia project that's open to women, or people who identify as women? (I'm sorry if I don't use the correct terms, but I haven't kept up with them in recent years.) I mean if we did it... what would the consequences be? Lightbreather ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- *Heather Walls* Communications Design Manager I Wikimedia Foundation 149 New Montgomery Street I San Francisco, CA 94105 heat...@wikimedia.org ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] GGTF talk page
yep, let's study some more, not all men, let's recruit more pipeline... i tend to edit in article space. talk space and even project talk are dysfunctional (waste of time) people seeking to disrupt, can only on wiki. i tend to organize on facebook, twitter, meetup etc. where there is adult supervision. On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/29/2014 12:31 PM, Marie Earley wrote: Is it possible to post some of the stuff that has been mentioned on here on the GGTF talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/Gender_gap_task_force It feels like the two have nothing in common at the moment. There's a whole load of why don't we survey women and find out what they like to edit / give women their own noticeboard / review the scope of the project - type rhetoric. Rather than wade in and argue (it's pointless, I got accused of 'radical feminism' POV pushing for my trouble), can some of the stuff about grants, meet ups etc. and replies be posted so we can move on, and all of the let's rip it up and start again stuff can make its way into the archive? Marie Everything you see is just a variation of what was happening all summer, with the pro-GGTF editors managing to keep their tempers against various attempts by anti-project editors to disrupt the project by trying to narrow and control the scope (as some women explicitly have complained): *general nitpicking of statement by a woman/supporter of project that supports the original vision of being both about increasing number of articles about women/topics of interest to women and increasing number of women, including by dealing with issues that turn women off (both software and behavior issues). (One editor summarized these past comments here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:The_Vintage_Feminist/GGTF%27s_re-boot The comments are being challenged.) And of course various accusations of defacto sexism for those who complain about this, as Marie alludes to above *Opposition to the idea of using the page to get other editors to help with new articles about women unless the articles are already 100% in compliance with every policy imaginable. *proposal to divide GGTF into two projects, one for articles about women, the other for getting more women and behaviorproblems; divide and conquor is the strategy here and I'm sure the second would quickly be put up for deletion, widdling the project down to nothing *proposal to invite anything and everything regarding women (including perhaps through womens noticeboard), which could be used to water GGTF down to nothing regarding a gender gap by flooding with less relevant concerns *continuing contention that there is no evidence that there's a problem despite these two existing pages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/Gender_gap_task_force/research https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/Gender_gap_task_force/media It would help if *Past edits at GGTF show that one or more of the alleged women posting now are recruits of editors against the project from the arbitration. We'll see what happens... CM ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Who are these people with Grace Hopper
nice soundcloud clips at http://www.whitehouse.gov/women-in-stem that could be added to external links. On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps you can help! See this tweet: https://twitter.com/SmithsonianArch/status/547456611988824069 Please post your response to Twitter if you can (and if you can't, then just let me know and I'll post it on your behalf). -Sarah -- Sarah Stierch Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization. www.sarahstierch.com ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Iraqi human rights lawyer Samira Salih al-Nuaimi tortured and executed because Facebook; where is her Wikipedia article?
it's the kind of other stuff exist argument that goes on all the time during deletion discussion, (that may not be appropriate here) a better example might be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Weinstein If the event is significant and the individual's role within it is substantial and well-documented—as in the case of John Hinckley, Jr., who shot President Ronald Reagan in 1981—a separate biography may be appropriate. The significance of an event or individual is indicated by how persistent the coverage is in reliable sources. On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 1:44 AM, Leigh Honeywell le...@hypatia.ca wrote: With my mod hat on, Neotarf, please cease the you could's here. Further hypotheticals will get you modded. Thanks, -Leigh What about Neotarf's post, which you quoted, would merit moderation and under what principle? It seemed perfectly civil and constructive to me, even if Neotarf does miss the point a bit as Risker noted. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Wall Street interviews - Sallie Krawcheck On The Benefits Of Investing In Women
http://www.fastcoexist.com/3040125/change-generation/sallie-krawcheck-on-the-benefits-of-investing-in-women ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Obama only took questions from women in his end-of-year press conference
more press coverage: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/12/19/that-time-obama-called-on-all-women-at-a-press-conference/ http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/19/us-usa-obama-women-idUSKBN0JX2EU20141219 http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/12/19/women-8-men-0-at-obamas-press-conference/ http://time.com/3642594/barack-obama-holds-first-ever-all-women-press-conference/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11305230/Women-only-questions-at-Obama-press-conference.html http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/19/women-journalists-obama-year-end-conference On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 7:07 AM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: According to this report Obama only took questions from women in his end-of-year press conference. Anyone know what the story is behind this? I find it notable that he omitted questions from major networks - are there no women reporters for major networks? I spend a lot of time on the gendergap in the arts but know little about journalism. Anyone know what the male/female ratio is there? http://jezebel.com/obama-only-took-women-reporters-questions-at-year-end-1673551416 ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Joselyn DiPetta The Missing Piece in the Gender Equality Puzzle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYPgoEK6iPo nice vision statement ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Australian article about recent onwiki drama
'Wikibombs' redressing gender imbalance of online encyclopedia http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/news-features/wikibombs-redressing-gender-imbalance-of-online-encyclopedia-20141212-125oqc.html On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote: I probably should also add that according to the 2012 fundraising data, Australians appear to have the highest per-capita rate of Wikipedia donors, albeit off a much lower population base. Kerry ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
