[Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any difference?

[Lennart Guldbrandsson]

Hello,

I am writing a short (1500 word) text for the journal of current cultural 
research, Culture Unbound (http://www.cultureunbound.ep.liu.se/index.html), to 
be published in April. The topic touches quite heavily on the gendergap issue. 
I have tried to find any numbers on whether the initiatives - editathons, 
Teahouse, etc - have made any dent in the numbers. Are there any such numbers 
or have I simply fantasized about it?

Since they want the text soon, please respond soon. Any assistance is greatly 
appreciated.

Best wishes,

Lennart Guldbrandsson

070 - 207 80 05
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Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any difference?

[Risker]

I do not think it will be possible to accurately assess any impact of
specific actions, for multiple reasons.  The most relevant one, however, is
the fact that the WMF itself has not done any broad-scale editor surveys in
a very long time, nor have individual communities to the best of my
knowledge.

Risker/Anne


On 26 February 2014 05:37, Lennart Guldbrandsson <
l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am writing a short (1500 word) text for the journal of current cultural
> research, Culture Unbound (http://www.cultureunbound.ep.liu.se/index.html),
> to be published in April. The topic touches quite heavily on the gendergap
> issue. I have tried to find any numbers on whether the initiatives -
> editathons, Teahouse, etc - have made any dent in the numbers. Are there
> any such numbers or have I simply fantasized about it?
>
> Since they want the text soon, please respond soon. Any assistance is
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Lennart Guldbrandsson
>
> 070 - 207 80 05
> http://www.elementx.se - arbete
> http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg
> Presentation 
> @aliasHannibal  - på Twitter
>
> "*Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri
> tillgång till **världens samlade 
> kunskap**.
> Det är vårt mål.*"
> Jimmy Wales
>
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Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any difference?

[Pete Forsyth]

Lennart,

You should look at the Education Program, which after the first year
appeared to have a strong impact (i.e. more participation from women than
men).

It's also been my experience (anecdotal but strong) that the Writing
Wikipedia Articles course I teach has attracted and retained more women
than men. (This would not impact the general numbers in a signiificant way,
but might offer insights into what kinds of activity *would* impact the
numbers.)

Pete
[[User:Peteforsyth]]
www.wikistrategies.net


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:37 AM, Risker  wrote:

> I do not think it will be possible to accurately assess any impact of
> specific actions, for multiple reasons.  The most relevant one, however, is
> the fact that the WMF itself has not done any broad-scale editor surveys in
> a very long time, nor have individual communities to the best of my
> knowledge.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
>
> On 26 February 2014 05:37, Lennart Guldbrandsson <
> l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am writing a short (1500 word) text for the journal of current cultural
>> research, Culture Unbound (http://www.cultureunbound.ep.liu.se/index.html),
>> to be published in April. The topic touches quite heavily on the gendergap
>> issue. I have tried to find any numbers on whether the initiatives -
>> editathons, Teahouse, etc - have made any dent in the numbers. Are there
>> any such numbers or have I simply fantasized about it?
>>
>> Since they want the text soon, please respond soon. Any assistance is
>> greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Lennart Guldbrandsson
>>
>> 070 - 207 80 05
>> http://www.elementx.se - arbete
>> http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg
>> Presentation 
>> @aliasHannibal  - på Twitter
>>
>> "*Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri
>> tillgång till **världens samlade 
>> kunskap**.
>> Det är vårt mål.*"
>> Jimmy Wales
>>
>> ___
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>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any difference?

[Lennart Guldbrandsson]

Hello,

Thanks for the reply, Anne. So, perhaps the only measure available, is the 
number from the Teahouse and the individual editathons. I'll look into those, 
for now.


Best wishes,

Lennart Guldbrandsson

070 - 207 80 05
http://www.elementx.se - arbete
http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg


Presentation
@aliasHannibal - på Twitter

"Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till 
världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål."


Jimmy Wales

Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 08:37:05 -0500
From: risker...@gmail.com
To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any 
difference?

I do not think it will be possible to accurately assess any impact of specific 
actions, for multiple reasons.  The most relevant one, however, is the fact 
that the WMF itself has not done any broad-scale editor surveys in a very long 
time, nor have individual communities to the best of my knowledge. 
 Risker/Anne

On 26 February 2014 05:37, Lennart Guldbrandsson  
wrote:




Hello,

I am writing a short (1500 word) text for the journal of current cultural 
research, Culture Unbound (http://www.cultureunbound.ep.liu.se/index.html), to 
be published in April. The topic touches quite heavily on the gendergap issue. 
I have tried to find any numbers on whether the initiatives - editathons, 
Teahouse, etc - have made any dent in the numbers. Are there any such numbers 
or have I simply fantasized about it?


Since they want the text soon, please respond soon. Any assistance is greatly 
appreciated.

Best wishes,

Lennart Guldbrandsson

070 - 207 80 05
http://www.elementx.se - arbete

http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg



Presentation
@aliasHannibal - på Twitter


"Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till 
världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål."



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Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any difference?

[Lennart Guldbrandsson]

Thank you, Pete,

I will take a look at those also. They seem to concur with other studies of 
percentage of the sexes studying.



Best wishes,

Lennart Guldbrandsson

070 - 207 80 05
http://www.elementx.se - arbete
http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg


Presentation
@aliasHannibal - på Twitter

"Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till 
världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål."


Jimmy Wales

Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 05:43:02 -0800
From: petefors...@gmail.com
To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any 
difference?

Lennart,

You should look at the Education Program, which after the first year appeared 
to have a strong impact (i.e. more participation from women than men).

It's also been my experience (anecdotal but strong) that the Writing Wikipedia 
Articles course I teach has attracted and retained more women than men. (This 
would not impact the general numbers in a signiificant way, but might offer 
insights into what kinds of activity *would* impact the numbers.)


Pete
[[User:Peteforsyth]]
www.wikistrategies.net


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:37 AM, Risker  wrote:

I do not think it will be possible to accurately assess any impact of specific 
actions, for multiple reasons.  The most relevant one, however, is the fact 
that the WMF itself has not done any broad-scale editor surveys in a very long 
time, nor have individual communities to the best of my knowledge. 

 Risker/Anne

On 26 February 2014 05:37, Lennart Guldbrandsson  
wrote:





Hello,

I am writing a short (1500 word) text for the journal of current cultural 
research, Culture Unbound (http://www.cultureunbound.ep.liu.se/index.html), to 
be published in April. The topic touches quite heavily on the gendergap issue. 
I have tried to find any numbers on whether the initiatives - editathons, 
Teahouse, etc - have made any dent in the numbers. Are there any such numbers 
or have I simply fantasized about it?



Since they want the text soon, please respond soon. Any assistance is greatly 
appreciated.

Best wishes,

Lennart Guldbrandsson

070 - 207 80 05
http://www.elementx.se - arbete


http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg




Presentation
@aliasHannibal - på Twitter



"Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till 
världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål."




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Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any difference?

[Sarah Stierch]

Yes, the Teahouse project has some data to back it up. You can talk to
Jonathan Morgan, who co-build the space and was the lead in pulling data if
you need to: jmor...@wikimedia.org

Laura Hale has been doing some interesting research about the top
contributors to English Wikipedia and who write about women's subjects.
It's rather depressing, of course. la...@fanhistory.com

The research work the Program Evaluation and Design team did about
edit-a-thons and workshops shows little to no retention, which is no
surprise, really. But, that was not gender specific. My own personal
research showed the same, with womencentric events.

But, that doesn't mean a dent hasn't been made. Yes, the Education program
happens to have a lot of women who contribute, especially successes in
Arabic Wikipedia, but, outside of that specific program, the goal isn't to
retain, it's to improve content.

I suggest people look at the improvement of "women centric" content versus
the retention of women editors. The nut still hasn't been cracked (puns so
not intended) on user retention through events, etc.

We did discover that a lot of content gets created via edit-a-thons and
such events, versus the amount of people who stay on as editors.

Don't rule out press and the attention the movement has received on the
subject. If you look at the partnerships - hell, the UK government
basically said "uh hello, we need more women in science on Wikipedia," last
week. Awareness is just one component of "making a difference."

-Sarah





On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 6:00 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson <
l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you, Pete,
>
> I will take a look at those also. They seem to concur with other studies
> of percentage of the sexes studying.
>
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Lennart Guldbrandsson
>
> 070 - 207 80 05
> http://www.elementx.se - arbete
> http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg
> Presentation <http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%c3%83%c2%a4ndare:Hannibal>
> @aliasHannibal <http://twitter.com/AliasHannibal> - på Twitter
>
> "*Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri
> tillgång till **världens samlade 
> kunskap*<http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Huvudsida>*.
> Det är vårt mål.*"
> Jimmy Wales
>
> ------------------
> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 05:43:02 -0800
> From: petefors...@gmail.com
>
> To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any
> difference?
>
> Lennart,
>
> You should look at the Education Program, which after the first year
> appeared to have a strong impact (i.e. more participation from women than
> men).
>
> It's also been my experience (anecdotal but strong) that the Writing
> Wikipedia Articles course I teach has attracted and retained more women
> than men. (This would not impact the general numbers in a signiificant way,
> but might offer insights into what kinds of activity *would* impact the
> numbers.)
>
> Pete
> [[User:Peteforsyth]]
> www.wikistrategies.net
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:37 AM, Risker  wrote:
>
> I do not think it will be possible to accurately assess any impact of
> specific actions, for multiple reasons.  The most relevant one, however, is
> the fact that the WMF itself has not done any broad-scale editor surveys in
> a very long time, nor have individual communities to the best of my
> knowledge.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
>
> On 26 February 2014 05:37, Lennart Guldbrandsson <
> l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am writing a short (1500 word) text for the journal of current cultural
> research, Culture Unbound (http://www.cultureunbound.ep.liu.se/index.html),
> to be published in April. The topic touches quite heavily on the gendergap
> issue. I have tried to find any numbers on whether the initiatives -
> editathons, Teahouse, etc - have made any dent in the numbers. Are there
> any such numbers or have I simply fantasized about it?
>
> Since they want the text soon, please respond soon. Any assistance is
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Lennart Guldbrandsson
>
> 070 - 207 80 05
> http://www.elementx.se - arbete
> http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg
> Presentation <http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%c3%83%c2%a4ndare:Hannibal>
> @aliasHannibal <http://twitter.com/AliasHannibal> - på Twitter
>
> "*Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri
> tillgång till **världens samlade 
> kunskap*<http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Huvudsida>*.
> Det är vårt mål.*"
> Jimmy Wales
>
> ___

Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any difference?

[Lennart Guldbrandsson]

Totally agree, Sarah, with your final point, and thanks for all the other tips.

It seems my initial point, which can be stated as "little effect so far" 
stands, but needs to be qualified somewhat. I'll get right on it, and give you 
guys and gals a link when the whole text is published.

Thanks, everybody for your help.


Best wishes,

Lennart Guldbrandsson

070 - 207 80 05
http://www.elementx.se - arbete
http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg


Presentation
@aliasHannibal - på Twitter

"Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till 
världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål."


Jimmy Wales

Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 08:06:16 -0800
From: sarah.stie...@gmail.com
To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any 
difference?

Yes, the Teahouse project has some data to back it up. You can talk to Jonathan 
Morgan, who co-build the space and was the lead in pulling data if you need to: 
jmor...@wikimedia.org

Laura Hale has been doing some interesting research about the top contributors 
to English Wikipedia and who write about women's subjects. It's rather 
depressing, of course. la...@fanhistory.com

The research work the Program Evaluation and Design team did about edit-a-thons 
and workshops shows little to no retention, which is no surprise, really. But, 
that was not gender specific. My own personal research showed the same, with 
womencentric events. 

But, that doesn't mean a dent hasn't been made. Yes, the Education program 
happens to have a lot of women who contribute, especially successes in Arabic 
Wikipedia, but, outside of that specific program, the goal isn't to retain, 
it's to improve content. 

I suggest people look at the improvement of "women centric" content versus the 
retention of women editors. The nut still hasn't been cracked (puns so not 
intended) on user retention through events, etc. 

We did discover that a lot of content gets created via edit-a-thons and such 
events, versus the amount of people who stay on as editors. 
Don't rule out press and the attention the movement has received on the 
subject. If you look at the partnerships - hell, the UK government basically 
said "uh hello, we need more women in science on Wikipedia," last week. 
Awareness is just one component of "making a difference." 

-Sarah




On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 6:00 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson 
 wrote:




Thank you, Pete,

I will take a look at those also. They seem to concur with other studies of 
percentage of the sexes studying.



Best wishes,

Lennart Guldbrandsson


070 - 207 80 05
http://www.elementx.se - arbete
http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg



Presentation
@aliasHannibal - på Twitter


"Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till 
världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål."



Jimmy Wales

Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 05:43:02 -0800
From: petefors...@gmail.com
To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org

Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any 
difference?

Lennart,

You should look at the Education Program, which after the first year appeared 
to have a strong impact (i.e. more participation from women than men).


It's also been my experience (anecdotal but strong) that the Writing Wikipedia 
Articles course I teach has attracted and retained more women than men. (This 
would not impact the general numbers in a signiificant way, but might offer 
insights into what kinds of activity *would* impact the numbers.)



Pete
[[User:Peteforsyth]]
www.wikistrategies.net


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:37 AM, Risker  wrote:


I do not think it will be possible to accurately assess any impact of specific 
actions, for multiple reasons.  The most relevant one, however, is the fact 
that the WMF itself has not done any broad-scale editor surveys in a very long 
time, nor have individual communities to the best of my knowledge. 


 Risker/Anne

On 26 February 2014 05:37, Lennart Guldbrandsson  
wrote:






Hello,

I am writing a short (1500 word) text for the journal of current cultural 
research, Culture Unbound (http://www.cultureunbound.ep.liu.se/index.html), to 
be published in April. The topic touches quite heavily on the gendergap issue. 
I have tried to find any numbers on whether the initiatives - editathons, 
Teahouse, etc - have made any dent in the numbers. Are there any such numbers 
or have I simply fantasized about it?




Since they want the text soon, please respond soon. Any assistance is greatly 
appreciated.

Best wishes,

Lennart Guldbrandsson

070 - 207 80 05
http://www.elementx.se - arbete



http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg





Presentation
@aliasHannibal - på Twitter




"Tänk dig en värld där var

Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any difference?

[Jane Darnell]

Lennart,
That is interesting, because I thought there were at least a few
editor surveys to compare results, but apparently not. The only thing
I could find was a page on meta that points to the 2011 survey here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Editor_Survey

The Dutch Wikimedia chapter subcontracted a survey last year but those
results can be used against the English Wikipedia one I don't think.
It's too bad that conducting surveys is so expensive, because this
could be a useful tool for all sorts of key performance indicators.

Good luck, and I am looking forward to whatever you come up with.
Jane

2014-02-26 17:11 GMT+01:00, Lennart Guldbrandsson :
> Totally agree, Sarah, with your final point, and thanks for all the other
> tips.
>
> It seems my initial point, which can be stated as "little effect so far"
> stands, but needs to be qualified somewhat. I'll get right on it, and give
> you guys and gals a link when the whole text is published.
>
> Thanks, everybody for your help.
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Lennart Guldbrandsson
>
> 070 - 207 80 05
> http://www.elementx.se - arbete
> http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg
>
>
> Presentation
> @aliasHannibal - på Twitter
>
> "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång
> till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål."
>
>
> Jimmy Wales
>
> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 08:06:16 -0800
> From: sarah.stie...@gmail.com
> To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made
> any   difference?
>
> Yes, the Teahouse project has some data to back it up. You can talk to
> Jonathan Morgan, who co-build the space and was the lead in pulling data if
> you need to: jmor...@wikimedia.org
>
> Laura Hale has been doing some interesting research about the top
> contributors to English Wikipedia and who write about women's subjects. It's
> rather depressing, of course. la...@fanhistory.com
>
> The research work the Program Evaluation and Design team did about
> edit-a-thons and workshops shows little to no retention, which is no
> surprise, really. But, that was not gender specific. My own personal
> research showed the same, with womencentric events.
>
> But, that doesn't mean a dent hasn't been made. Yes, the Education program
> happens to have a lot of women who contribute, especially successes in
> Arabic Wikipedia, but, outside of that specific program, the goal isn't to
> retain, it's to improve content.
>
> I suggest people look at the improvement of "women centric" content versus
> the retention of women editors. The nut still hasn't been cracked (puns so
> not intended) on user retention through events, etc.
>
> We did discover that a lot of content gets created via edit-a-thons and such
> events, versus the amount of people who stay on as editors.
> Don't rule out press and the attention the movement has received on the
> subject. If you look at the partnerships - hell, the UK government basically
> said "uh hello, we need more women in science on Wikipedia," last week.
> Awareness is just one component of "making a difference."
>
> -Sarah
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 6:00 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson
>  wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Thank you, Pete,
>
> I will take a look at those also. They seem to concur with other studies of
> percentage of the sexes studying.
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Lennart Guldbrandsson
>
>
> 070 - 207 80 05
> http://www.elementx.se - arbete
> http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg
>
>
>
> Presentation
> @aliasHannibal - på Twitter
>
>
> "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång
> till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål."
>
>
>
> Jimmy Wales
>
> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 05:43:02 -0800
> From: petefors...@gmail.com
> To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
>
> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made
> any   difference?
>
> Lennart,
>
> You should look at the Education Program, which after the first year
> appeared to have a strong impact (i.e. more participation from women than
> men).
>
>
> It's also been my experience (anecdotal but strong) that the Writing
> Wikipedia Articles course I teach has attracted and retained more women than
> men. (This would not impact the general numbers in a signiificant way, but
> might offer insights into what kinds of activity *would* impact the
> numbers.)
>
>
>
> Pete
> [[User:Peteforsyth]]
> www.wikistrategies.net
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:37 AM, Risker  

Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any difference?

[Lika Tika]

I'd love to see the final paper. Does Laura Hale have any published results
available?
On Feb 26, 2014 12:26 PM, "Jane Darnell"  wrote:

> Lennart,
> That is interesting, because I thought there were at least a few
> editor surveys to compare results, but apparently not. The only thing
> I could find was a page on meta that points to the 2011 survey here:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Editor_Survey
>
> The Dutch Wikimedia chapter subcontracted a survey last year but those
> results can be used against the English Wikipedia one I don't think.
> It's too bad that conducting surveys is so expensive, because this
> could be a useful tool for all sorts of key performance indicators.
>
> Good luck, and I am looking forward to whatever you come up with.
> Jane
>
> 2014-02-26 17:11 GMT+01:00, Lennart Guldbrandsson <
> l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com>:
> > Totally agree, Sarah, with your final point, and thanks for all the other
> > tips.
> >
> > It seems my initial point, which can be stated as "little effect so far"
> > stands, but needs to be qualified somewhat. I'll get right on it, and
> give
> > you guys and gals a link when the whole text is published.
> >
> > Thanks, everybody for your help.
> >
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Lennart Guldbrandsson
> >
> > 070 - 207 80 05
> > http://www.elementx.se - arbete
> > http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg
> >
> >
> > Presentation
> > @aliasHannibal - på Twitter
> >
> > "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri
> tillgång
> > till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål."
> >
> >
> > Jimmy Wales
> >
> > Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 08:06:16 -0800
> > From: sarah.stie...@gmail.com
> > To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made
> > any   difference?
> >
> > Yes, the Teahouse project has some data to back it up. You can talk to
> > Jonathan Morgan, who co-build the space and was the lead in pulling data
> if
> > you need to: jmor...@wikimedia.org
> >
> > Laura Hale has been doing some interesting research about the top
> > contributors to English Wikipedia and who write about women's subjects.
> It's
> > rather depressing, of course. la...@fanhistory.com
> >
> > The research work the Program Evaluation and Design team did about
> > edit-a-thons and workshops shows little to no retention, which is no
> > surprise, really. But, that was not gender specific. My own personal
> > research showed the same, with womencentric events.
> >
> > But, that doesn't mean a dent hasn't been made. Yes, the Education
> program
> > happens to have a lot of women who contribute, especially successes in
> > Arabic Wikipedia, but, outside of that specific program, the goal isn't
> to
> > retain, it's to improve content.
> >
> > I suggest people look at the improvement of "women centric" content
> versus
> > the retention of women editors. The nut still hasn't been cracked (puns
> so
> > not intended) on user retention through events, etc.
> >
> > We did discover that a lot of content gets created via edit-a-thons and
> such
> > events, versus the amount of people who stay on as editors.
> > Don't rule out press and the attention the movement has received on the
> > subject. If you look at the partnerships - hell, the UK government
> basically
> > said "uh hello, we need more women in science on Wikipedia," last week.
> > Awareness is just one component of "making a difference."
> >
> > -Sarah
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 6:00 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you, Pete,
> >
> > I will take a look at those also. They seem to concur with other studies
> of
> > percentage of the sexes studying.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Lennart Guldbrandsson
> >
> >
> > 070 - 207 80 05
> > http://www.elementx.se - arbete
> > http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg
> >
> >
> >
> > Presentation
> > @aliasHannibal - på Twitter
> >
> >
> > "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri
> tillgång
> > till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål."
> >
> >
> >
> > Jimmy Wales
> >
> > Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 0

Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any difference?

[Amanda Menking]

Hi,

Laura has posted about her informal research at 
http://wikinewsreporter.wordpress.com/2014/02/10/the-role-of-english-wikipedias-top-content-creators-in-perpetuating-gender-bias/.

I'm currently working on a largely qualitative study w/r/t women and English 
language Wikipedia, which I'll make available as soon as it's finished. (See 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Women_and_Wikipedia.)

Lennart-I'd love to read your paper and include it as a source.

Best,
Amanda


From: gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org 
[mailto:gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Lika Tika
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 11:38 AM
To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any difference?


I'd love to see the final paper. Does Laura Hale have any published results 
available?
On Feb 26, 2014 12:26 PM, "Jane Darnell" 
mailto:jane...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Lennart,
That is interesting, because I thought there were at least a few
editor surveys to compare results, but apparently not. The only thing
I could find was a page on meta that points to the 2011 survey here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Editor_Survey

The Dutch Wikimedia chapter subcontracted a survey last year but those
results can be used against the English Wikipedia one I don't think.
It's too bad that conducting surveys is so expensive, because this
could be a useful tool for all sorts of key performance indicators.

Good luck, and I am looking forward to whatever you come up with.
Jane

2014-02-26 17:11 GMT+01:00, Lennart Guldbrandsson 
mailto:l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com>>:
> Totally agree, Sarah, with your final point, and thanks for all the other
> tips.
>
> It seems my initial point, which can be stated as "little effect so far"
> stands, but needs to be qualified somewhat. I'll get right on it, and give
> you guys and gals a link when the whole text is published.
>
> Thanks, everybody for your help.
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Lennart Guldbrandsson
>
> 070 - 207 80 05
> http://www.elementx.se - arbete
> http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg
>
>
> Presentation
> @aliasHannibal - på Twitter
>
> "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång
> till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål."
>
>
> Jimmy Wales
>
> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 08:06:16 -0800
> From: sarah.stie...@gmail.com<mailto:sarah.stie...@gmail.com>
> To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org<mailto:gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made
> any   difference?
>
> Yes, the Teahouse project has some data to back it up. You can talk to
> Jonathan Morgan, who co-build the space and was the lead in pulling data if
> you need to: jmor...@wikimedia.org<mailto:jmor...@wikimedia.org>
>
> Laura Hale has been doing some interesting research about the top
> contributors to English Wikipedia and who write about women's subjects. It's
> rather depressing, of course. 
> la...@fanhistory.com<mailto:la...@fanhistory.com>
>
> The research work the Program Evaluation and Design team did about
> edit-a-thons and workshops shows little to no retention, which is no
> surprise, really. But, that was not gender specific. My own personal
> research showed the same, with womencentric events.
>
> But, that doesn't mean a dent hasn't been made. Yes, the Education program
> happens to have a lot of women who contribute, especially successes in
> Arabic Wikipedia, but, outside of that specific program, the goal isn't to
> retain, it's to improve content.
>
> I suggest people look at the improvement of "women centric" content versus
> the retention of women editors. The nut still hasn't been cracked (puns so
> not intended) on user retention through events, etc.
>
> We did discover that a lot of content gets created via edit-a-thons and such
> events, versus the amount of people who stay on as editors.
> Don't rule out press and the attention the movement has received on the
> subject. If you look at the partnerships - hell, the UK government basically
> said "uh hello, we need more women in science on Wikipedia," last week.
> Awareness is just one component of "making a difference."
>
> -Sarah
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 6:00 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson
> mailto:l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Thank you, Pete,
>
> I will take a look at those also. They seem to concur with other studies of
> percentage of the sexes studying.
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Lennart Guldbrandsson
>
>
>

Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any difference?

[Tighe Flanagan]

Hi all,

Thanks to and Sarah for pointing out the success we've seen in the
Wikipedia Education Program in the Arab world with female participation. I
just wanted to share some numbers and also mention retention, which has
some good numbers as well even if that's not the program's main goal.

The current term is winding down in Egypt this week, and we've seen
especially high female participation yet again with 88% female and 12% male
participants (108 total students). In Jordan this term we've had 70% female
participation and 30% male (99 total students) -- significantly more female
participants in both cases.

The interesting thing to me is that in Egypt our students are mostly part
of the foreign language faculty, whereas our Jordan program runs almost
exclusively in IT classes and faculties (for now), which may be part of why
the numbers vary.

While the explicit focus of the WEP has always been content, we have seen
some notable retention numbers from the program's alumni in the region.
Looking at students from all previous terms and excluding the latest one
(spring 2012, fall 2012 and spring 2013, 464 students), 5.8% of these
students made at least one edit this month. More notably, 5.2% qualified as
active editors and (5+ edits) 1.9% qualified as very active editors (100+
edits) this month so far. This is all the more notable when you look at the
monthly stats for the Arabic Wikipedia with 637 active editors and 97
active editors in December (last month available from stats.wikimedia.org).

I hope to write a blog about this soon which should give more context to
the gender and retention numbers we're seeing in the WEP in the Arab world.

Best,
Tighe


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Amanda Menking  wrote:

>  Hi,
>
>
>
> Laura has posted about her informal research at
> http://wikinewsreporter.wordpress.com/2014/02/10/the-role-of-english-wikipedias-top-content-creators-in-perpetuating-gender-bias/
> .
>
>
>
> I'm currently working on a largely qualitative study w/r/t women and
> English language Wikipedia, which I'll make available as soon as it's
> finished. (See
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Women_and_Wikipedia.)
>
>
>
> Lennart--I'd love to read your paper and include it as a source.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Amanda
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Lika Tika
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 26, 2014 11:38 AM
> *To:* Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any
> difference?
>
>
>
> I'd love to see the final paper. Does Laura Hale have any published
> results available?
>
> On Feb 26, 2014 12:26 PM, "Jane Darnell"  wrote:
>
> Lennart,
> That is interesting, because I thought there were at least a few
> editor surveys to compare results, but apparently not. The only thing
> I could find was a page on meta that points to the 2011 survey here:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Editor_Survey
>
> The Dutch Wikimedia chapter subcontracted a survey last year but those
> results can be used against the English Wikipedia one I don't think.
> It's too bad that conducting surveys is so expensive, because this
> could be a useful tool for all sorts of key performance indicators.
>
> Good luck, and I am looking forward to whatever you come up with.
> Jane
>
> 2014-02-26 17:11 GMT+01:00, Lennart Guldbrandsson <
> l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com>:
> > Totally agree, Sarah, with your final point, and thanks for all the other
> > tips.
> >
> > It seems my initial point, which can be stated as "little effect so far"
> > stands, but needs to be qualified somewhat. I'll get right on it, and
> give
> > you guys and gals a link when the whole text is published.
> >
> > Thanks, everybody for your help.
> >
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Lennart Guldbrandsson
> >
> > 070 - 207 80 05
> > http://www.elementx.se - arbete
> > http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg
> >
> >
> > Presentation
> > @aliasHannibal - på Twitter
> >
> > "Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri
> tillgång
> > till världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål."
> >
> >
> > Jimmy Wales
> >
> > Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 08:06:16 -0800
> > From: sarah.stie...@gmail.com
> > To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made
> > any   difference?
> >
> > Yes, the Teahouse project has some data to back it up. Yo

Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any difference?

[phoebe ayers]

Hi Lennart!

Not addressing the question of whether we've made any difference... but if
you're quoting numbers AFAIK the best research on the gender gap numbers is
Mako Hill and Aaron Shaw, from last year:
http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/the-wikipedia-gender-gap-revisited

which tries to correct for the issues with opt-in surveys. Of course the
overall point is, as Mako says, "Overall, these results reinforce the basic
substantive finding that women are vastly under-represented among Wikipedia
editors."

-- phoebe

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:37 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson <
l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am writing a short (1500 word) text for the journal of current cultural
> research, Culture Unbound (http://www.cultureunbound.ep.liu.se/index.html),
> to be published in April. The topic touches quite heavily on the gendergap
> issue. I have tried to find any numbers on whether the initiatives -
> editathons, Teahouse, etc - have made any dent in the numbers. Are there
> any such numbers or have I simply fantasized about it?
>
> Since they want the text soon, please respond soon. Any assistance is
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Lennart Guldbrandsson
>
> 070 - 207 80 05
> http://www.elementx.se - arbete
> http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg
> Presentation 
> @aliasHannibal  - på Twitter
>
> "*Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri
> tillgång till **världens samlade 
> kunskap**.
> Det är vårt mål.*"
> Jimmy Wales
>
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Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any difference?

[Lennart Guldbrandsson]

Thanks, again! More links (Mako Hill and Aaron Shaw's text is already in there) 
and more thoughts. Beautiful! When I saw the number of new mails, I just had to 
laugh. It's so wonderful to be in this company. This made me want to improve 
the text even more :-)


Best wishes,

Lennart Guldbrandsson

070 - 207 80 05
http://www.elementx.se - arbete
http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg


Presentation
@aliasHannibal - på Twitter

"Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till 
världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål."


Jimmy Wales

Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 13:25:16 -0800
From: phoebe.w...@gmail.com
To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
CC: susanpgard...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Help: Research on whether we have made any 
difference?

Hi Lennart! 

Not addressing the question of whether we've made any difference... but if 
you're quoting numbers AFAIK the best research on the gender gap numbers is 
Mako Hill and Aaron Shaw, from last year: 

http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/the-wikipedia-gender-gap-revisited

which tries to correct for the issues with opt-in surveys. Of course the 
overall point is, as Mako says, "Overall, these results reinforce the basic 
substantive finding that women are vastly under-represented among Wikipedia 
editors." 


-- phoebe 

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:37 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson 
 wrote:




Hello,

I am writing a short (1500 word) text for the journal of current cultural 
research, Culture Unbound (http://www.cultureunbound.ep.liu.se/index.html), to 
be published in April. The topic touches quite heavily on the gendergap issue. 
I have tried to find any numbers on whether the initiatives - editathons, 
Teahouse, etc - have made any dent in the numbers. Are there any such numbers 
or have I simply fantasized about it?


Since they want the text soon, please respond soon. Any assistance is greatly 
appreciated.

Best wishes,

Lennart Guldbrandsson

070 - 207 80 05
http://www.elementx.se - arbete

http://www.mrchapel.wordpress.com - personlig blogg



Presentation
@aliasHannibal - på Twitter


"Tänk dig en värld där varje människa på den här planeten får fri tillgång till 
världens samlade kunskap. Det är vårt mål."



Jimmy Wales   

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