Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia and Feminism.
Well said, Kaldari. On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: I find the entire premise of this essay to be a bit misguided. Do we really need to worry about tamping down the trickle of feminists editing art articles on Wikipedia? There are easily ten times more men's rights activists editing Wikipedia than feminists, and they actively organize off-wiki to subvert NPOV. Why does no one care about that? Why not write a blog post about men's rights activists running meat-puppet campaigns and trying to white-wash articles about rape and domestic violence? If anything, having a handful of feminists on Wikipedia might serve to keep them in check. Also, don't revise existing articles because you feel there is a male bias in them. This is terrible advice. For example, I significantly revised the dating article a few years ago because it had an obvious male bias and seemed to be intended only for a male audience. Why should people leave articles with a male bias? NPOV doesn't mean leave articles with whatever bias they started with. Also, I find it strange that your article implies that feminists can't write from a neutral point of view. Feminism is about equality of the sexes and opposing stereotypes and biases. It isn't about making women look better than men or excluding the male point of view. I think feminists make great Wikipedia editors. Look at Adrianne Wadewitz: 37 featured articles! I would gladly take 1000 more Adrianne Wadewitzs as Wikipedia editors! Kaldari On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:23 AM, J Hayes slowki...@gmail.com wrote: nice wiki-splaining - the problem with your thesis: *What we don't need, however, is more feminists.* is labeling and the double standard of civility enforcement as Djembayz said at Signpost: the rules on Wikipedia are not clear, the enforcement on disruptive behavior is arbitrary or non-existent. Online game players, vulgarians, and sea-lioning http://simplikation.com/why-sealioning-is-bad/ randos who congregate here can be as disruptive and outrageous as they wish, with impunity. They don't care, because they don't have to. until the systemic bias in civility enforcement is dealt with, your thesis will be a dead letter with me. On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: This part of the we of Wikipedians...me..wants feminist to edit Wikipedia, as well as people who want to solely add articles about women. What I ask of you is to stand back so that those of us who are interested in creating an inclusive editing community can do so without being hindered. Because there is simply no way that Wikipedia's content can be neutral without a large and inclusive body of people creating it. Warm regards, Sydney Poore User:FloNight On Apr 9, 2015 10:27 AM, Lukas Mezger (Wikipedia) lukas.mez...@wikipedia.de wrote: Dear readers of the gender gap mailing list, My name is Lukas and I am a German Wikipedian (User:Gnom). I recently wrote a blog post on Wikipedia and feminism https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Gnom/Blog#2_April_2015:_A_blog_post_on_Wikipedia_and_feminism. and was encouraged to share it with this list. As I am very new to the gender gap debate, I would appreciate your comments. Regards, Lukas Mezger ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia and Feminism.
nice wiki-splaining - the problem with your thesis: *What we don't need, however, is more feminists.* is labeling and the double standard of civility enforcement as Djembayz said at Signpost: the rules on Wikipedia are not clear, the enforcement on disruptive behavior is arbitrary or non-existent. Online game players, vulgarians, and sea-lioning http://simplikation.com/why-sealioning-is-bad/ randos who congregate here can be as disruptive and outrageous as they wish, with impunity. They don't care, because they don't have to. until the systemic bias in civility enforcement is dealt with, your thesis will be a dead letter with me. On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: This part of the we of Wikipedians...me..wants feminist to edit Wikipedia, as well as people who want to solely add articles about women. What I ask of you is to stand back so that those of us who are interested in creating an inclusive editing community can do so without being hindered. Because there is simply no way that Wikipedia's content can be neutral without a large and inclusive body of people creating it. Warm regards, Sydney Poore User:FloNight On Apr 9, 2015 10:27 AM, Lukas Mezger (Wikipedia) lukas.mez...@wikipedia.de wrote: Dear readers of the gender gap mailing list, My name is Lukas and I am a German Wikipedian (User:Gnom). I recently wrote a blog post on Wikipedia and feminism https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Gnom/Blog#2_April_2015:_A_blog_post_on_Wikipedia_and_feminism. and was encouraged to share it with this list. As I am very new to the gender gap debate, I would appreciate your comments. Regards, Lukas Mezger ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia and Feminism.
I find the entire premise of this essay to be a bit misguided. Do we really need to worry about tamping down the trickle of feminists editing art articles on Wikipedia? There are easily ten times more men's rights activists editing Wikipedia than feminists, and they actively organize off-wiki to subvert NPOV. Why does no one care about that? Why not write a blog post about men's rights activists running meat-puppet campaigns and trying to white-wash articles about rape and domestic violence? If anything, having a handful of feminists on Wikipedia might serve to keep them in check. Also, don't revise existing articles because you feel there is a male bias in them. This is terrible advice. For example, I significantly revised the dating article a few years ago because it had an obvious male bias and seemed to be intended only for a male audience. Why should people leave articles with a male bias? NPOV doesn't mean leave articles with whatever bias they started with. Also, I find it strange that your article implies that feminists can't write from a neutral point of view. Feminism is about equality of the sexes and opposing stereotypes and biases. It isn't about making women look better than men or excluding the male point of view. I think feminists make great Wikipedia editors. Look at Adrianne Wadewitz: 37 featured articles! I would gladly take 1000 more Adrianne Wadewitzs as Wikipedia editors! Kaldari On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:23 AM, J Hayes slowki...@gmail.com wrote: nice wiki-splaining - the problem with your thesis: *What we don't need, however, is more feminists.* is labeling and the double standard of civility enforcement as Djembayz said at Signpost: the rules on Wikipedia are not clear, the enforcement on disruptive behavior is arbitrary or non-existent. Online game players, vulgarians, and sea-lioning http://simplikation.com/why-sealioning-is-bad/ randos who congregate here can be as disruptive and outrageous as they wish, with impunity. They don't care, because they don't have to. until the systemic bias in civility enforcement is dealt with, your thesis will be a dead letter with me. On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: This part of the we of Wikipedians...me..wants feminist to edit Wikipedia, as well as people who want to solely add articles about women. What I ask of you is to stand back so that those of us who are interested in creating an inclusive editing community can do so without being hindered. Because there is simply no way that Wikipedia's content can be neutral without a large and inclusive body of people creating it. Warm regards, Sydney Poore User:FloNight On Apr 9, 2015 10:27 AM, Lukas Mezger (Wikipedia) lukas.mez...@wikipedia.de wrote: Dear readers of the gender gap mailing list, My name is Lukas and I am a German Wikipedian (User:Gnom). I recently wrote a blog post on Wikipedia and feminism https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Gnom/Blog#2_April_2015:_A_blog_post_on_Wikipedia_and_feminism. and was encouraged to share it with this list. As I am very new to the gender gap debate, I would appreciate your comments. Regards, Lukas Mezger ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia and Feminism.
Yes, and its patronizing to write a blog post about NPOV policy directed at the community members who organize community outreach events for feminists. Especially condescending towards art+feminism community organizers who brilliantly executed a well thought out plan that included pre-event training materials and sessions, as well as materials to be used the day of the event. Maybe, we could assume that the people planning the events understand Wikipedia policy and don't need to be schooled about basic policy. The blog portrays the attitude that feminists who plan events are not true members of the community and need special scrutiny to keep them from ruining content. This is exactly the type of attitude that makes Wikipedia an unwelcoming place for people who are not part of the dominant demographic group or are newcomers with enthusiasm for improving Wikipedia. Sydney User:FloNight On Apr 9, 2015 2:30 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: I find the entire premise of this essay to be a bit misguided. Do we really need to worry about tamping down the trickle of feminists editing art articles on Wikipedia? There are easily ten times more men's rights activists editing Wikipedia than feminists, and they actively organize off-wiki to subvert NPOV. Why does no one care about that? Why not write a blog post about men's rights activists running meat-puppet campaigns and trying to white-wash articles about rape and domestic violence? If anything, having a handful of feminists on Wikipedia might serve to keep them in check. Also, don't revise existing articles because you feel there is a male bias in them. This is terrible advice. For example, I significantly revised the dating article a few years ago because it had an obvious male bias and seemed to be intended only for a male audience. Why should people leave articles with a male bias? NPOV doesn't mean leave articles with whatever bias they started with. Also, I find it strange that your article implies that feminists can't write from a neutral point of view. Feminism is about equality of the sexes and opposing stereotypes and biases. It isn't about making women look better than men or excluding the male point of view. I think feminists make great Wikipedia editors. Look at Adrianne Wadewitz: 37 featured articles! I would gladly take 1000 more Adrianne Wadewitzs as Wikipedia editors! Kaldari On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:23 AM, J Hayes slowki...@gmail.com wrote: nice wiki-splaining - the problem with your thesis: *What we don't need, however, is more feminists.* is labeling and the double standard of civility enforcement as Djembayz said at Signpost: the rules on Wikipedia are not clear, the enforcement on disruptive behavior is arbitrary or non-existent. Online game players, vulgarians, and sea-lioning http://simplikation.com/why-sealioning-is-bad/ randos who congregate here can be as disruptive and outrageous as they wish, with impunity. They don't care, because they don't have to. until the systemic bias in civility enforcement is dealt with, your thesis will be a dead letter with me. On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: This part of the we of Wikipedians...me..wants feminist to edit Wikipedia, as well as people who want to solely add articles about women. What I ask of you is to stand back so that those of us who are interested in creating an inclusive editing community can do so without being hindered. Because there is simply no way that Wikipedia's content can be neutral without a large and inclusive body of people creating it. Warm regards, Sydney Poore User:FloNight On Apr 9, 2015 10:27 AM, Lukas Mezger (Wikipedia) lukas.mez...@wikipedia.de wrote: Dear readers of the gender gap mailing list, My name is Lukas and I am a German Wikipedian (User:Gnom). I recently wrote a blog post on Wikipedia and feminism https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Gnom/Blog#2_April_2015:_A_blog_post_on_Wikipedia_and_feminism. and was encouraged to share it with this list. As I am very new to the gender gap debate, I would appreciate your comments. Regards, Lukas Mezger ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia and Feminism.
Well, if you want to write articles about French women painters, go ahead. But you shouldn't do it just because you want more articles about women on Wikipedia. Why not? Nobody says this to the people who write articles about trains or video games. On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: I find the entire premise of this essay to be a bit misguided. Do we really need to worry about tamping down the trickle of feminists editing art articles on Wikipedia? There are easily ten times more men's rights activists editing Wikipedia than feminists, and they actively organize off-wiki to subvert NPOV. Why does no one care about that? Why not write a blog post about men's rights activists running meat-puppet campaigns and trying to white-wash articles about rape and domestic violence? If anything, having a handful of feminists on Wikipedia might serve to keep them in check. Also, don't revise existing articles because you feel there is a male bias in them. This is terrible advice. For example, I significantly revised the dating article a few years ago because it had an obvious male bias and seemed to be intended only for a male audience. Why should people leave articles with a male bias? NPOV doesn't mean leave articles with whatever bias they started with. Also, I find it strange that your article implies that feminists can't write from a neutral point of view. Feminism is about equality of the sexes and opposing stereotypes and biases. It isn't about making women look better than men or excluding the male point of view. I think feminists make great Wikipedia editors. Look at Adrianne Wadewitz: 37 featured articles! I would gladly take 1000 more Adrianne Wadewitzs as Wikipedia editors! Kaldari On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:23 AM, J Hayes slowki...@gmail.com wrote: nice wiki-splaining - the problem with your thesis: What we don't need, however, is more feminists. is labeling and the double standard of civility enforcement as Djembayz said at Signpost: the rules on Wikipedia are not clear, the enforcement on disruptive behavior is arbitrary or non-existent. Online game players, vulgarians, and sea-lioning randos who congregate here can be as disruptive and outrageous as they wish, with impunity. They don't care, because they don't have to. until the systemic bias in civility enforcement is dealt with, your thesis will be a dead letter with me. On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: This part of the we of Wikipedians...me..wants feminist to edit Wikipedia, as well as people who want to solely add articles about women. What I ask of you is to stand back so that those of us who are interested in creating an inclusive editing community can do so without being hindered. Because there is simply no way that Wikipedia's content can be neutral without a large and inclusive body of people creating it. Warm regards, Sydney Poore User:FloNight On Apr 9, 2015 10:27 AM, Lukas Mezger (Wikipedia) lukas.mez...@wikipedia.de wrote: Dear readers of the gender gap mailing list, My name is Lukas and I am a German Wikipedian (User:Gnom). I recently wrote a blog post on Wikipedia and feminism and was encouraged to share it with this list. As I am very new to the gender gap debate, I would appreciate your comments. Regards, Lukas Mezger ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia and Feminism.
Thanks for your very eloquent response, Sydney, I strongly second that thought. Amy On Apr 9, 2015 3:29 PM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, and its patronizing to write a blog post about NPOV policy directed at the community members who organize community outreach events for feminists. Especially condescending towards art+feminism community organizers who brilliantly executed a well thought out plan that included pre-event training materials and sessions, as well as materials to be used the day of the event. Maybe, we could assume that the people planning the events understand Wikipedia policy and don't need to be schooled about basic policy. The blog portrays the attitude that feminists who plan events are not true members of the community and need special scrutiny to keep them from ruining content. This is exactly the type of attitude that makes Wikipedia an unwelcoming place for people who are not part of the dominant demographic group or are newcomers with enthusiasm for improving Wikipedia. Sydney User:FloNight On Apr 9, 2015 2:30 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: I find the entire premise of this essay to be a bit misguided. Do we really need to worry about tamping down the trickle of feminists editing art articles on Wikipedia? There are easily ten times more men's rights activists editing Wikipedia than feminists, and they actively organize off-wiki to subvert NPOV. Why does no one care about that? Why not write a blog post about men's rights activists running meat-puppet campaigns and trying to white-wash articles about rape and domestic violence? If anything, having a handful of feminists on Wikipedia might serve to keep them in check. Also, don't revise existing articles because you feel there is a male bias in them. This is terrible advice. For example, I significantly revised the dating article a few years ago because it had an obvious male bias and seemed to be intended only for a male audience. Why should people leave articles with a male bias? NPOV doesn't mean leave articles with whatever bias they started with. Also, I find it strange that your article implies that feminists can't write from a neutral point of view. Feminism is about equality of the sexes and opposing stereotypes and biases. It isn't about making women look better than men or excluding the male point of view. I think feminists make great Wikipedia editors. Look at Adrianne Wadewitz: 37 featured articles! I would gladly take 1000 more Adrianne Wadewitzs as Wikipedia editors! Kaldari On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:23 AM, J Hayes slowki...@gmail.com wrote: nice wiki-splaining - the problem with your thesis: *What we don't need, however, is more feminists.* is labeling and the double standard of civility enforcement as Djembayz said at Signpost: the rules on Wikipedia are not clear, the enforcement on disruptive behavior is arbitrary or non-existent. Online game players, vulgarians, and sea-lioning http://simplikation.com/why-sealioning-is-bad/ randos who congregate here can be as disruptive and outrageous as they wish, with impunity. They don't care, because they don't have to. until the systemic bias in civility enforcement is dealt with, your thesis will be a dead letter with me. On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: This part of the we of Wikipedians...me..wants feminist to edit Wikipedia, as well as people who want to solely add articles about women. What I ask of you is to stand back so that those of us who are interested in creating an inclusive editing community can do so without being hindered. Because there is simply no way that Wikipedia's content can be neutral without a large and inclusive body of people creating it. Warm regards, Sydney Poore User:FloNight On Apr 9, 2015 10:27 AM, Lukas Mezger (Wikipedia) lukas.mez...@wikipedia.de wrote: Dear readers of the gender gap mailing list, My name is Lukas and I am a German Wikipedian (User:Gnom). I recently wrote a blog post on Wikipedia and feminism https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Gnom/Blog#2_April_2015:_A_blog_post_on_Wikipedia_and_feminism. and was encouraged to share it with this list. As I am very new to the gender gap debate, I would appreciate your comments. Regards, Lukas Mezger ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription
Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia and Feminism.
This part of the we of Wikipedians...me..wants feminist to edit Wikipedia, as well as people who want to solely add articles about women. What I ask of you is to stand back so that those of us who are interested in creating an inclusive editing community can do so without being hindered. Because there is simply no way that Wikipedia's content can be neutral without a large and inclusive body of people creating it. Warm regards, Sydney Poore User:FloNight On Apr 9, 2015 10:27 AM, Lukas Mezger (Wikipedia) lukas.mez...@wikipedia.de wrote: Dear readers of the gender gap mailing list, My name is Lukas and I am a German Wikipedian (User:Gnom). I recently wrote a blog post on Wikipedia and feminism https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Gnom/Blog#2_April_2015:_A_blog_post_on_Wikipedia_and_feminism. and was encouraged to share it with this list. As I am very new to the gender gap debate, I would appreciate your comments. Regards, Lukas Mezger ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Wikipedia and Feminism.
Dear readers of the gender gap mailing list, My name is Lukas and I am a German Wikipedian (User:Gnom). I recently wrote a blog post on Wikipedia and feminism https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Gnom/Blog#2_April_2015:_A_blog_post_on_Wikipedia_and_feminism. and was encouraged to share it with this list. As I am very new to the gender gap debate, I would appreciate your comments. Regards, Lukas Mezger ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia and Feminism.
I think it would be better to drop, or tone down the bit about: But stay away if your actions are in any way motivated by a certain interest, or worse, a social agenda. We want expert editors and that's not possible if they are being pushed away. Maybe consider re-writing it to promote the idea that editor training/on-line help should address the barrier of how to write from a neutral point of view, even if your motivation is as an activist. P.S. I speak from the experience of getting banned when trying to do something about LGBT content and being naive about how best to handle on-line harassment (which you cannot call sexist or homophobic on Wikipedia, even when in any other forum it would be considered blatantly so, without that bouncing back on you as bad faith). Fae On 9 April 2015 at 00:08, Lukas Mezger (Wikipedia) lukas.mez...@wikipedia.de wrote: Dear readers of the gender gap mailing list, My name is Lukas and I am a German Wikipedian (User:Gnom). I recently wrote a blog post on Wikipedia and feminism and was encouraged to share it with this list. As I am very new to the gender gap debate, I would appreciate your comments. Regards, Lukas Mezger -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
