Re: [Gendergap] Women reluctant to comment online - any relation to the WP gender gap?

[LB]

A reminder to women on this list, if there is something you want to discuss
privately with other women Wikipedia editors, go to this page - Anita Borg
Institute - Systers Technical Interests
 - and
scroll down, you will see a link to "Join Systers-Wikipedia."

If you would like to know more about the Anita Borg Institute or
the Systers list, please visit:

   - Anita Borg Institute 
   - Systers 

*I encourage everyone to keep commenting on this discussion here*, but I
want to remind women WP editors that there is a private, women-only list
for when you feel the need. FWIW: Applicants are vetted.

Lightbreather

On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Kerry Raymond 
wrote:

>  Could this provide any insights into women contributing to Wikipedia?
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> http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/23/women-are-silenced-online-just-as-in-real-life-it-will-take-more-than-twitter-to-change-that
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Re: [Gendergap] Women reluctant to comment online - any relation to the WP gender gap?

[Janine Starykowicz]

Moderating is not easy. It is just as hard as blocking spam and hacking attacks, but far more resource intensive because it 
is almost impossible to automate. You need real people moderating full time. And unless they are anonymous, they take a lot 
of abuse.


Janine

Daniel and Elizabeth Case wrote:

/>>The newspaper that did this and heavily moderated trolling comments had higher 
participate by women than most >>news
 >comment areas./
 >Like. Like. LIKE.
It never fails to amaze me that, for all the complaining people do about 
barely-moderated comment sections and the driveby
hate speech they inevitably attract, how little is actually done (save making 
it necessary to have a Facebook account to make
the comments, which is a slap in the face to those of us who, for whatever 
reason, don’t find it necessary to have one) to
change that, especially in light of how little could be done to make a 
considerable improvement in the quality of the comments.
It makes you appreciate the sometimes heavy-handed approach of some of our 
Wikipedia administrators in some instances (/cough
cough/).
Daniel Case



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Re: [Gendergap] Women reluctant to comment online - any relation to the WP gender gap?

[Luis Villa]

On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Daniel and Elizabeth Case <
danc...@frontiernet.net> wrote:

>   *>>The newspaper that did this and heavily moderated trolling comments
> had higher participate by women than most >>news >comment areas.*
> >Like. Like. LIKE.
>
> It never fails to amaze me that, for all the complaining people do about
> barely-moderated comment sections and the driveby hate speech they
> inevitably attract, how little is actually done (save making it necessary
> to have a Facebook account to make the comments, which is a slap in the
> face to those of us who, for whatever reason, don’t find it necessary to
> have one) to change that, especially in light of how little could be done
> to make a considerable improvement in the quality of the comments.
>

Having been somewhat involved in some of those decisions, active moderation
is *very *time-consuming, especially if you haven't baked it into the
expectations of commenters from day one. So it is an intimidating decision
to make, especially for sites where an angry comments section drives
pageviews (and where you can't measure the pageviews you lose because of
it).


> It makes you appreciate the sometimes heavy-handed approach of some of our
> Wikipedia administrators in some instances (*cough cough*).
>

Indeed. I suspect encouraging them to become more involved in a broader
range of situations is key to any forward progress we make, and with that
in mind am particularly looking forward to the results of the admin ally
training Inspire grant
.

Luis

-- 
Luis Villa
Sr. Director of Community Engagement
Wikimedia Foundation
*Working towards a world in which every single human being can freely share
in the sum of all knowledge.*
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Re: [Gendergap] Women reluctant to comment online - any relation to the WP gender gap?

[Daniel and Elizabeth Case]

>>The newspaper that did this and heavily moderated trolling comments had 
>>higher participate by women than most >>news >comment areas.

>Like. Like. LIKE.

It never fails to amaze me that, for all the complaining people do about 
barely-moderated comment sections and the driveby hate speech they inevitably 
attract, how little is actually done (save making it necessary to have a 
Facebook account to make the comments, which is a slap in the face to those of 
us who, for whatever reason, don’t find it necessary to have one) to change 
that, especially in light of how little could be done to make a considerable 
improvement in the quality of the comments.

It makes you appreciate the sometimes heavy-handed approach of some of our 
Wikipedia administrators in some instances (cough cough).

Daniel Case
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Re: [Gendergap] Women reluctant to comment online - any relation to the WP gender gap?

[LB]

*The newspaper that did this and heavily moderated trolling comments had
higher participate by women than most news comment areas.*

Like. Like. LIKE.

Lightbreather

On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Sydney Poore  wrote:

> Likely yes. Women not making public statements in the same way as men is
> not isolated to Wikipedia or the internet.
>
> The article mentions the use of a respect button in addition to) a like
> button to encourage people to stop trashing other peoples opinions. The
> newspaper that did this and heavily moderated trolling comments had higher
> participate by women than most news comment areas.
>
> Sydney
> On May 2, 2015 8:05 PM, "Kerry Raymond"  wrote:
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>>  Could this provide any insights into women contributing to Wikipedia?
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>>
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>> http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/23/women-are-silenced-online-just-as-in-real-life-it-will-take-more-than-twitter-to-change-that
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>> Kerry
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Re: [Gendergap] Women reluctant to comment online - any relation to the WP gender gap?

[Sydney Poore]

Likely yes. Women not making public statements in the same way as men is
not isolated to Wikipedia or the internet.

The article mentions the use of a respect button in addition to) a like
button to encourage people to stop trashing other peoples opinions. The
newspaper that did this and heavily moderated trolling comments had higher
participate by women than most news comment areas.

Sydney
On May 2, 2015 8:05 PM, "Kerry Raymond"  wrote:

>  Could this provide any insights into women contributing to Wikipedia?
>
>
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> http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/23/women-are-silenced-online-just-as-in-real-life-it-will-take-more-than-twitter-to-change-that
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[Gendergap] Women reluctant to comment online - any relation to the WP gender gap?

[Kerry Raymond]

Could this provide any insights into women contributing to Wikipedia?

 

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/23/women-are-silenced-onli
ne-just-as-in-real-life-it-will-take-more-than-twitter-to-change-that

 

Kerry

 

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