Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto be all that great..

[Jarred White]

**Additionally, I abhor the idea of me not owning the location where my
data is stored.  How is that good for me as a business?

Sorry I'm late to the party :)

You said it. The security implications about something like this really
bother me. I have to be a lot more confident about the security of my
transport protocols and the level of trust between other systems I
communicate with before I feel okay with storing apps and other data out
there in "the cloud." Can you guys imagine having a Citrix environment
located out there on the public Internet? :P

Having said that, I'm interested to see where this goes. Things like the
new Palm Pre operating system and Moblin really intrigue me, and while I
think they're most certainly the future of portable devices, I'm not so
sure how I feel about desktop computing heading in that direction. 

Brad - don't lie, you know you use IE because you love it. 





 


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utmost importance to our client
relationships.  At P&,, we are committed to keeping your data confidential 
which is why we are implementing
new email encryption software.  This software inspects all outbound emails from 
our firm.  Emails that 
contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the file.  
This ensures that your
confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended recipient.

Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server.  Click on 
the link to download the attachment.
The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be required to 
setup a password.  This will
be your password to access future attachments.  For our clients and others, 
there will be a small step to
download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added confidentiality 
benefits far outweigh the few
seconds that are required to access the attachment.

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password, please contact Jessica Aymond, 
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Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was: RE:IM fest

[Dustin Puryear]

Oh, I'm dpuryearusanet (AIM).

 



From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Andrew Baudouin
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 4:36 PM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was:
RE:IM fest

 

Dustin: Out with it!

AIM: dook43
YIM: dook43
MSN: lsudot...@gmail.com
Jabber: andre...@gmail.com

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Tim Fournet  wrote:

my email address is my IM address (jabber)

 

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Mark A. Lappin  wrote:

AIM:MarkAtLMFJ




Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry
Director of Information Technology
11314 Cloverland Ave  | Baton Rouge, LA 70809
Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778  | Mobile:  225-362-2770
www.lmfj.com



This communication is privileged and confidential.  If you are not the
intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy
all copies of this communication .

-Original Message-
From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Dustin Puryear

Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 3:01 PM
To: general@brlug.net

Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was: RE:
IM fest

As there as been confusion over the Subject: line, I rewrote it. :)

-Original Message-
From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:56 PM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: [brlug-general] IM fest
Importance: High

Time for the yearly "This is my IM" updates.

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Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was: RE:IM fest

[Dustin Puryear]

I don't even remember what my Jabber account is.. 

 



From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Tim Fournet
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 3:24 PM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was:
RE:IM fest

 

my email address is my IM address (jabber)

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Mark A. Lappin  wrote:

AIM:MarkAtLMFJ




Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry
Director of Information Technology
11314 Cloverland Ave  | Baton Rouge, LA 70809
Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778  | Mobile:  225-362-2770
www.lmfj.com



This communication is privileged and confidential.  If you are not the
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all copies of this communication .

-Original Message-
From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Dustin Puryear

Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 3:01 PM
To: general@brlug.net

Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was: RE:
IM fest

As there as been confusion over the Subject: line, I rewrote it. :)

-Original Message-
From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:56 PM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: [brlug-general] IM fest
Importance: High

Time for the yearly "This is my IM" updates.

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Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS isgoingtobe all that great..

[Dustin Puryear]

I don't actually know how to read. *cries*


From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On Behalf Of 
SR
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 5:44 PM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS isgoingtobe 
all that great..


On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Dustin Puryear  wrote:
I never said Google was the one overhyping it.

Nor did I say you said that.  You had a reading comprehension check lately?
 
:P




From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On Behalf Of 
SR
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 11:33 AM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingtobe 
all that great..

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Dustin Puryear  
wrote:
I did read it f00l. :)

Then you should have gotten that it was just nitpicking over one sentence which 
was a security claim.
 


I think there is some overhyping here.

What over-hyping?  You must travel in different circles than I do...  All I've 
heard about Chrome OS is a press release and one blog post.  The only reason it 
might be hyped is a) this is from Google b) there has been years of speculation 
and c) it's new, as opposed to Windows 7 which is a service pack for vista, 
which was a service pack for  ad nauseum

My week in news has been about a 0-day for IE which is being actively 
exploited  (does anyone really use IE for anything besides windows update 
anymore?), an OpenSSH vulnerability which was a hoax, and the DDoS against 
government sites using, *gasp*, compromised Windows PCs.
 
Sorry, that's what I think.

You're free to have any opinion you wish.  Doesn't make it right.  ;-)
 


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Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was: RE: IM fest

[Karthik Poobal]

AIM: kart...@poobal.net
GTalk: kart...@poobal.net
skype: poobal

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On Jul 10, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Dustin Puryear wrote:

> As there as been confusion over the Subject: line, I rewrote it. :)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On
> Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:56 PM
> To: general@brlug.net
> Subject: [brlug-general] IM fest
> Importance: High
>
> Time for the yearly "This is my IM" updates.
>
> --
> Dustin Puryear
> President and Sr. Consultant
> Puryear Information Technology, LLC
> 225-706-8414 x112
> http://www.puryear-it.com
>
> Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers"
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Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was: RE: IM fest

[Jerald Sheets]

AIM:  questyzero
YIM: jsheets
ICQ: 6921523
MSN: zeroquesty


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On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Karthik Poobal  wrote:

> AIM: kart...@poobal.net
> GTalk: kart...@poobal.net
> skype: poobal
>
> --
> Karthik Poobalasubramanian
> Louisiana Board of Regents
> kart...@poobal.net
> kart...@la.gov
> 225-910-6126
> skype: poobal
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 10, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Dustin Puryear wrote:
>
> > As there as been confusion over the Subject: line, I rewrote it. :)
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On
> > Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
> > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:56 PM
> > To: general@brlug.net
> > Subject: [brlug-general] IM fest
> > Importance: High
> >
> > Time for the yearly "This is my IM" updates.
> >
> > --
> > Dustin Puryear
> > President and Sr. Consultant
> > Puryear Information Technology, LLC
> > 225-706-8414 x112
> > http://www.puryear-it.com
> >
> > Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers"
> >  http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
> >
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Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was: RE: IM fest

[Brad Bendily]

so, what's the point here? If we all add each other on IM, then we'll have
no to reason to use the list?
And then I won't be able to ridicule Jarred in a public forum. :(

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Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto be all that great..

[Tim Fournet]

If your computer is already on the internet, then your data is already in
the "cloud". Your trusting it to be secure just because it physically lives
at the same place you do? Many of us use VPNs or SSL to get to data stored
at remote facilities every day. Renting space or computing resources
somewhere else is just a logical advancement of that idea. The benefit is
your are able to take advantage of someone else's economies of scale to
bring down the costs of running your own business.

Consider this scenario:
10 companies. Each of these companies has two sites. They have decided to
install a Small Business Server at each site because their local IT
consultant told them so. Each server ran them somewhere in the neighborhood
of $5,000 including software, licenses, and hardware. Since each site is
running their own Exchange (SBS) Server, they must keep power and cooling
active 24/7. They also need to dedicate a secure location in their buildings
with adequate power and cooling to run a server. Total investment between
all of these companies is at least $100,000 plus recurring costs of
electricity and cooling for 20 facilities. Do these sites need guaranteed
uptime? Battery Backups, Generators, etc? Those cost a lot.

What is the average utilization of each server? They're basically all doing
the same thing. They require a lot of computing resources because they are
running Windows, Exchange, and all the other "features" of SBS. If you were
running all of this out of one facility, how much equipment would it really
take to run it? Maybe $20,000 worth? How many sets of air conditioners need
to run? One (two for redundancy)?  What about expertise? Each company would
need to hire an IT consultant to manage all of these servers. If they were
consolidated, then it would only take one team to manage this.

That is the real benefit of "cloud" computing. Once you understand the
technology and build a layer of trust between yourself and your provider,
then it makes sense. You are allowing an organization that has its own
resources and expertise to handle the job of data storage and access, and
you focus on your real work. If you understand the nature of data then you
know that you can make your own backups if you don't trust your provider not
to lose your data. Your backups won't be as "available" but you'll have the
data available if it ever came to that.


On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Jarred White  wrote:

>  **Additionally, I abhor the idea of me not owning the location where my
> data is stored.  How is that good for me as a business?
>
> Sorry I’m late to the party :)
>
> You said it. The security implications about something like this really
> bother me. I have to be a lot more confident about the security of my
> transport protocols and the level of trust between other systems I
> communicate with before I feel okay with storing apps and other data out
> there in “the cloud.” Can you guys imagine having a Citrix environment
> located out there on the public Internet? :P
>
> Having said that, I’m interested to see where this goes. Things like the
> new Palm Pre operating system and Moblin really intrigue me, and while I
> think they’re most certainly the future of portable devices, I’m not so sure
> how I feel about desktop computing heading in that direction.
>
> Brad – don’t lie, you know you use IE because you love it.
>
>
>
>
>
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> federal tax advice
> contained in this communication is not intended or written to be used, and 
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> Further Protect Confidential Data
>
> Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of the 
> utmost importance to our client
> relationships.  At P&N, we are committed to keeping your data confidential 
> which is why we are implementing
> new email encryption software.  This software inspects all outbound emails 
> from our firm.  Emails that
> contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the 
> file.  This ensures that your
> confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended recipient.
>
> Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server.  Click on 
> the link to download the attachment.
> The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be required 
> to setup a password.  This will
> be your password to access future attachments.  For our clients and others, 
> there will be a small step to
> download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added confidentiality 
> benefits far outweigh the few
> seconds that are

Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingtobe all that great..

[Dustin Puryear]

I don't think that having your data on servers and storage that "physically 
lives at the same place you do" and, I'll add, that you own, is a small thing. 
If nothing else, legally, it's a very big thing. 

There was an article in the ISSA Journal about this a few months ago I think. I 
do think things are heading in that direction, but I don't think it's just the 
next step. There are some real differences here.


From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On Behalf Of 
Tim Fournet
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:06 PM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingtobe 
all that great..

If your computer is already on the internet, then your data is already in the 
"cloud". Your trusting it to be secure just because it physically lives at the 
same place you do? Many of us use VPNs or SSL to get to data stored at remote 
facilities every day. Renting space or computing resources somewhere else is 
just a logical advancement of that idea. The benefit is your are able to take 
advantage of someone else's economies of scale to bring down the costs of 
running your own business.

Consider this scenario:
10 companies. Each of these companies has two sites. They have decided to 
install a Small Business Server at each site because their local IT consultant 
told them so. Each server ran them somewhere in the neighborhood of $5,000 
including software, licenses, and hardware. Since each site is running their 
own Exchange (SBS) Server, they must keep power and cooling active 24/7. They 
also need to dedicate a secure location in their buildings with adequate power 
and cooling to run a server. Total investment between all of these companies is 
at least $100,000 plus recurring costs of electricity and cooling for 20 
facilities. Do these sites need guaranteed uptime? Battery Backups, Generators, 
etc? Those cost a lot.

What is the average utilization of each server? They're basically all doing the 
same thing. They require a lot of computing resources because they are running 
Windows, Exchange, and all the other "features" of SBS. If you were running all 
of this out of one facility, how much equipment would it really take to run it? 
Maybe $20,000 worth? How many sets of air conditioners need to run? One (two 
for redundancy)?  What about expertise? Each company would need to hire an IT 
consultant to manage all of these servers. If they were consolidated, then it 
would only take one team to manage this.  

That is the real benefit of "cloud" computing. Once you understand the 
technology and build a layer of trust between yourself and your provider, then 
it makes sense. You are allowing an organization that has its own resources and 
expertise to handle the job of data storage and access, and you focus on your 
real work. If you understand the nature of data then you know that you can make 
your own backups if you don't trust your provider not to lose your data. Your 
backups won't be as "available" but you'll have the data available if it ever 
came to that. 
 

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Jarred White  wrote:
**Additionally, I abhor the idea of me not owning the location where my data is 
stored.  How is that good for me as a business?
Sorry I'm late to the party :)
You said it. The security implications about something like this really bother 
me. I have to be a lot more confident about the security of my transport 
protocols and the level of trust between other systems I communicate with 
before I feel okay with storing apps and other data out there in "the cloud." 
Can you guys imagine having a Citrix environment located out there on the 
public Internet? :P
Having said that, I'm interested to see where this goes. Things like the new 
Palm Pre operating system and Moblin really intrigue me, and while I think 
they're most certainly the future of portable devices, I'm not so sure how I 
feel about desktop computing heading in that direction. 
Brad - don't lie, you know you use IE because you love it. 

 
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new email encryption software.  This software inspects all outbound emails from 
our firm.

Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was: RE:IM fest

[Dustin Puryear]

IM and a mailing list are generally used for different reasons, IMO. :)

I just goof off with IM.


From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Brad Bendily
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:44 AM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was:
RE:IM fest

so, what's the point here? If we all add each other on IM, then we'll
have no to reason to use the list?
And then I won't be able to ridicule Jarred in a public forum. :(

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[Mark A. Lappin]

> I just goof off with IM.

and e-mail


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Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto be all that great..

[Jarred White]

Because my personal desktop at home, or my workstation at work, connects
to the Internet, my data is in "the cloud?" That doesn't make any sense.
So because I have systems here at work where I store workpapers and
documents and other materials related to my clients, that information is
actually residing in the cloud? I'm not sure I agree.

 

The communication methods (VPN, SSL, frame relay, etc...) in use can
certainly provide for a level of trust and security, but the fact of the
matter is that when your data resides elsewhere (someone else's data
center) then you are leaving it up to your service level agreement with
that vendor to protect the data. At that point, you can only do what's
reasonable up until the point it reaches their systems, then it's out of
your hands. The type of scenario that you're describing is already
happening and there are already issues with outsourcing data and other
IT functions in that manner. 

 

Let's say that I have an agreement to store electronic backups with NTG
(Venue, whatever) here in Baton Rouge. I ensure that the method of
communication is secure and uses encryption, and that the servers
performing the backups mutually authenticate each other. Great! What
happens when someone walks into NTG and walks out with my blade or my
tapes? There wasn't much I could do to secure that data other than agree
to the service level agreement. So now we want to take that concept and
apply it to every facet of daily computing? 

 

Even if the application is stored in the cloud and the data resides
locally on a hard drive or network storage device, what happens when the
central application is modified or exploited in some way? Will we know?
Can we know? How many people will it affect? Everyone? 

 

Bundle in all of the regulatory and governmental issues concerned with
storage and transmission of personal data and other pieces of
information, and you're looking at years before something like this
could be practical for businesses or individuals dealing with sensitive
information. Only when the operating system (Chrome OS for instance)
resides WITHIN the trusted computing environment does this make sense,
and at that point we're looking at something similar to Citrix,
mainframes and dummy terminals, etc... which isn't exactly a new
breakthrough in computing. I guess that Citrix has been doing it
reliably for years, but remember that the Citrix servers don't reside on
Citrix's network - they reside on your own, and you are responsible for
securing them. 

 

On the other hand, a lot of idiots can't even apply a simple patch or
update once a week/month to eliminate a vulnerability. With millions of
people out there running their own independent versions of an unpatched
operating system, it gives attackers many more targets to hit. If
updates and security fixes were applied to centralized applications,
that would simplify the problem.

 

Sorry for the rambling. I'm not saying it isn't a great idea and that
reducing costs isn't a good thing, I'm just saying that simply allowing
my data to reside elsewhere because it's "cheap" and "logical" and "the
next step" doesn't necessarily make it safe. Maybe I am being too
paranoid, but that seems unlikely given the stories I read every day in
the newspaper about identity theft and electronic data breaches. The
solution doesn't seem to be putting all of our eggs into one basket, but
many eggs in many different baskets. :)

 

 

From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Tim Fournet
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:06 PM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is
goingto be all that great..

 

If your computer is already on the internet, then your data is already
in the "cloud". Your trusting it to be secure just because it physically
lives at the same place you do? Many of us use VPNs or SSL to get to
data stored at remote facilities every day. Renting space or computing
resources somewhere else is just a logical advancement of that idea. The
benefit is your are able to take advantage of someone else's economies
of scale to bring down the costs of running your own business.

 

Consider this scenario:

10 companies. Each of these companies has two sites. They have decided
to install a Small Business Server at each site because their local IT
consultant told them so. Each server ran them somewhere in the
neighborhood of $5,000 including software, licenses, and hardware. Since
each site is running their own Exchange (SBS) Server, they must keep
power and cooling active 24/7. They also need to dedicate a secure
location in their buildings with adequate power and cooling to run a
server. Total investment between all of these companies is at least
$100,000 plus recurring costs of electricity and cooling for 20
facilities. Do these sites need guaranteed uptime? Battery Backups,
Generators, etc? Those cost a lot.

 

What is the average utilization of each server? The

Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto be all that great..

[Shannon Roddy]

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Jarred White  wrote:

>
>
> The communication methods (VPN, SSL, frame relay, etc…) in use can
> certainly provide for a level of trust and security, but the fact of the
> matter is that when your data resides elsewhere (someone else’s data center)
> then you are leaving it up to your service level agreement with that vendor
> to protect the data.
>
The stored data can always be encrypted in the "cloud".  Think FDE for the
cloud.

Personally, I am just happy to see any form of competition for M$.
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Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto be all that great..

[Jarred White]

That's true, but if what you're proposing is encrypting your own data
before it goes to the cloud, then you had better hope that Google Chrome
OS applications natively support encryption. So if I pull up Google Word
through my Chrome OS start menu and I include my tax return information
from 2009, then save the file, will it be automatically encrypted? Where
will the file be saved? Where did the encryption occur? Locally or
remotely on the server? If the encryption keys are gathered, will they
work for all users of the application or just my document?

 

I'm just playing devil's advocate. There are obviously a lot of issues
to consider, such as bandwidth constraints, licensing/service level
agreements, etc...

 

From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Shannon Roddy
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:50 PM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is
goingto be all that great..

 

 

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Jarred White  wrote:

  

The communication methods (VPN, SSL, frame relay, etc...) in use can
certainly provide for a level of trust and security, but the fact of the
matter is that when your data resides elsewhere (someone else's data
center) then you are leaving it up to your service level agreement with
that vendor to protect the data. 

The stored data can always be encrypted in the "cloud".  Think FDE for
the cloud.  

Personally, I am just happy to see any form of competition for M$.


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utmost importance to our client
relationships.  At P&,, we are committed to keeping your data confidential 
which is why we are implementing
new email encryption software.  This software inspects all outbound emails from 
our firm.  Emails that 
contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the file.  
This ensures that your
confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended recipient.

Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server.  Click on 
the link to download the attachment.
The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be required to 
setup a password.  This will
be your password to access future attachments.  For our clients and others, 
there will be a small step to
download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added confidentiality 
benefits far outweigh the few
seconds that are required to access the attachment.

If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your 
password, please contact Jessica Aymond, 
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Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto be all that great..

[Shannon Roddy]

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Jarred White  wrote:

>  That’s true, but if what you’re proposing is encrypting your own data
> before it goes to the cloud, then you had better hope that Google Chrome OS
> applications natively support encryption.
>

That's my point.  If enough people gripe, then they'll build in support for
encryption.  I'm not saying it's likely, I'm just saying it's possible.  So,
the data is encrypted at rest in the cloud and the data is encrypted in
transit.  Most people don't care... which is perhaps a large part of the
problem.


> So if I pull up Google Word through my Chrome OS start menu and I include
> my tax return information from 2009, then save the file, will it be
> automatically encrypted? Where will the file be saved? Where did the
> encryption occur? Locally or remotely on the server? If the encryption keys
> are gathered, will they work for all users of the application or just my
> document?
>
>
>
> I’m just playing devil’s advocate. There are obviously a lot of issues to
> consider, such as bandwidth constraints, licensing/service level agreements,
> etc…
>
>
>
> *From:* general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] *On
> Behalf Of *Shannon Roddy
> *Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2009 12:50 PM
> *To:* general@brlug.net
> *Subject:* Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is
> goingto be all that great..
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Jarred White  wrote:
>
>
>
> The communication methods (VPN, SSL, frame relay, etc…) in use can
> certainly provide for a level of trust and security, but the fact of the
> matter is that when your data resides elsewhere (someone else’s data center)
> then you are leaving it up to your service level agreement with that vendor
> to protect the data.
>
> The stored data can always be encrypted in the "cloud".  Think FDE for the
> cloud.
>
> Personally, I am just happy to see any form of competition for M$.
>
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> federal tax advice
> contained in this communication is not intended or written to be used, and 
> cannot be used,
> for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code.
>
> --
> Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption Software to 
> Further Protect Confidential Data
>
> Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of the 
> utmost importance to our client
> relationships.  At P&N, we are committed to keeping your data confidential 
> which is why we are implementing
> new email encryption software.  This software inspects all outbound emails 
> from our firm.  Emails that
> contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the 
> file.  This ensures that your
> confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended recipient.
>
> Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server.  Click on 
> the link to download the attachment.
> The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be required 
> to setup a password.  This will
> be your password to access future attachments.  For our clients and others, 
> there will be a small step to
> download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added confidentiality 
> benefits far outweigh the few
> seconds that are required to access the attachment.
>
> If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your 
> password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
> P&N Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
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[Jarred White]

Yeah, if we could solve the problem of caring about data security to
begin with, we'd both be rich :)

 

From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Shannon Roddy
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:07 PM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is
goingto be all that great..

 

 

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Jarred White  wrote:

That's true, but if what you're proposing is encrypting your own data
before it goes to the cloud, then you had better hope that Google Chrome
OS applications natively support encryption. 


That's my point.  If enough people gripe, then they'll build in support
for encryption.  I'm not saying it's likely, I'm just saying it's
possible.  So, the data is encrypted at rest in the cloud and the data
is encrypted in transit.  Most people don't care... which is perhaps a
large part of the problem.
 

So if I pull up Google Word through my Chrome OS start menu and
I include my tax return information from 2009, then save the file, will
it be automatically encrypted? Where will the file be saved? Where did
the encryption occur? Locally or remotely on the server? If the
encryption keys are gathered, will they work for all users of the
application or just my document?

 

I'm just playing devil's advocate. There are obviously a lot of
issues to consider, such as bandwidth constraints, licensing/service
level agreements, etc...

 

From: general-boun...@brlug.net
[mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On Behalf Of Shannon Roddy
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:50 PM


To: general@brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome
OS is goingto be all that great..

 

 

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Jarred White
 wrote:

  

The communication methods (VPN, SSL, frame relay, etc...) in use
can certainly provide for a level of trust and security, but the fact of
the matter is that when your data resides elsewhere (someone else's data
center) then you are leaving it up to your service level agreement with
that vendor to protect the data. 

The stored data can always be encrypted in the "cloud".  Think
FDE for the cloud.  

Personally, I am just happy to see any form of competition for
M$.



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that any federal tax advice
contained in this communication is not intended or written to be
used, and cannot be used, 
for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed under the Internal
Revenue Code.
 


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Software to Further Protect Confidential Data
 
Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and
it is of the utmost importance to our client
relationships.  At P&N, we are committed to keeping your data
confidential which is why we are implementing
new email encryption software.  This software inspects all
outbound emails from our firm.  Emails that 
contain attachments will require you to enter a password to
download the file.  This ensures that your
confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the
intended recipient.
 
Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web
server.  Click on the link to download the attachment.
The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will
be required to setup a password.  This will
be your password to access future attachments.  For our clients
and others, there will be a small step to
download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added
confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
seconds that are required to access the attachment.
 
If you have questions regarding this new process or if you
forget your password, please contact Jessica Aymond, 
P&N Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.


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Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was: RE:IM fest

[Dustin Puryear]

*dustin suddenly does a drop kick in Mark's face*

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Behalf Of Mark A. Lappin
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:44 PM
To: 'general@brlug.net'
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was:
RE:IM fest

> I just goof off with IM.

and e-mail


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[Mark A. Lappin]

Mark slaps Dustin around with a large trout.



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Dustin Puryear
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:32 PM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was: RE:IM 
fest

*dustin suddenly does a drop kick in Mark's face*

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Mark A. Lappin
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:44 PM
To: 'general@brlug.net'
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was:
RE:IM fest

> I just goof off with IM.

and e-mail


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[Jerald Sheets]

On second thought, maybe I don't want to come back to work in BTR...


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On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Mark A. Lappin  wrote:

> Mark slaps Dustin around with a large trout.
>
>
>
> Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry
> Director of Information Technology
> 11314 Cloverland Ave  | Baton Rouge, LA 70809
> Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778  | Mobile:  225-362-2770
> www.lmfj.com
>
>
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> Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:32 PM
> To: general@brlug.net
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was:
> RE:IM fest
>
> *dustin suddenly does a drop kick in Mark's face*
>
> -Original Message-
> From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On
> Behalf Of Mark A. Lappin
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:44 PM
> To: 'general@brlug.net'
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was:
> RE:IM fest
>
> > I just goof off with IM.
>
> and e-mail
>
>
> Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry Director of
> Information Technology
> 11314 Cloverland Ave  | Baton Rouge, LA 70809
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[Jarred White]

Bustin' out the IRC humor there. Good show.

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Behalf Of Mark A. Lappin
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:40 PM
To: 'general@brlug.net'
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was:
RE:IM fest

Mark slaps Dustin around with a large trout.



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Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:32 PM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was:
RE:IM fest

*dustin suddenly does a drop kick in Mark's face*

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Behalf Of Mark A. Lappin
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:44 PM
To: 'general@brlug.net'
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was:
RE:IM fest

> I just goof off with IM.

and e-mail


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relationships.  At P&,, we are committed to keeping your data confidential 
which is why we are implementing
new email encryption software.  This software inspects all outbound emails from 
our firm.  Emails that 
contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the file.  
This ensures that your
confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended recipient.

Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server.  Click on 
the link to download the attachment.
The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be required to 
setup a password.  This will
be your password to access future attachments.  For our clients and others, 
there will be a small step to
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Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was: RE:IM fest

[Brad Bendily]

See, this isn't nearly as funny if you're doing this over IM!

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Mark A. Lappin  wrote:

> Mark slaps Dustin around with a large trout.
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Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was: RE:IM fest

[Shannon Roddy]

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Brad Bendily  wrote:

> See, this isn't nearly as funny if you're doing this over IM!


But it's more fun via IRC than a mailing list.
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[Mark A. Lappin]

At least the people here know what IRC is.  Its a dying medium!





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Shannon Roddy
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:57 PM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was: RE:IM 
fest



On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Brad Bendily 
mailto:bend...@gmail.com>> wrote:
See, this isn't nearly as funny if you're doing this over IM!

But it's more fun via IRC than a mailing list.

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Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was: RE:IM fest

[Brad Bendily]

Isn't IRC a requirement when you're home alone and 14?


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>  At least the people here know what IRC is.  Its a dying medium!
>
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Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was: RE:IM fest

[Jarred White]

Connect to irc.dal.net and /whois applekid :(

 

From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Brad Bendily
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:32 PM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was:
RE:IM fest

 

Isn't IRC a requirement when you're home alone and 14? 



On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Mark A. Lappin  wrote:

At least the people here know what IRC is.  Its a dying medium!

 

 


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Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was: RE:IM fest

[Mark A. Lappin]

not any more, now it is Myspace





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From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On Behalf Of 
Brad Bendily
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:32 PM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was: RE:IM 
fest

Isn't IRC a requirement when you're home alone and 14?


On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Mark A. Lappin 
mailto:ma...@lmfj.com>> wrote:
At least the people here know what IRC is.  Its a dying medium!


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Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was:RE:IM fest

[Dustin Puryear]

Facebook

Get with the times!


From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On Behalf Of 
Mark A. Lappin
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:40 PM
To: 'general@brlug.net'
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was:RE:IM fest

not any more, now it is Myspace
 

  
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From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On Behalf Of 
Brad Bendily
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:32 PM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was: RE:IM 
fest
Isn't IRC a requirement when you're home alone and 14? 

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Mark A. Lappin  wrote:
At least the people here know what IRC is.  Its a dying medium!




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Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto be all that great..

[Tim Fournet]

I am saying that the fact that your workstation at work is connected to the
internet makes it at least as insecure as anything else on the internet.

Are you suggesting that your data is safe just because it's stored on
machines that you bought yourself? Is your own office really more secure
than NTG? Does your office offer the same premises security as a typical
datacenter? If not, then your point about someone walking out with backup
tapes is invalid. If so, then you're either sharing that service with other
tenants, or have spent a LOT of money on security that you may not receive a
return on.

What if your own machine were to be compromised? Would you know then? I hear
cases on a regular basis from people who have had their end user devices
compromised. These could be loaded with keyloggers, botnet daemons, etc. I'm
a firm believer in dumbing down the end user device as much as possible, and
focusing on centralizing the data. If you have your data in a known
location, you can put a lot more effort into technology that secures the
central location. Desktop PCs, laptops, even phones are a wild card.
Microsoft has made a world where end users are by default administrators on
their machines and able to unwillingly install any type of malware that
comes around. If you take away a device's ability to be compromised, then
you limit the damage it can do.



On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Jarred White  wrote:

>  Because my personal desktop at home, or my workstation at work, connects
> to the Internet, my data is in “the cloud?” That doesn’t make any sense. So
> because I have systems here at work where I store workpapers and documents
> and other materials related to my clients, that information is actually
> residing in the cloud? I’m not sure I agree.
>
>
>
> The communication methods (VPN, SSL, frame relay, etc…) in use can
> certainly provide for a level of trust and security, but the fact of the
> matter is that when your data resides elsewhere (someone else’s data center)
> then you are leaving it up to your service level agreement with that vendor
> to protect the data. At that point, you can only do what’s reasonable up
> until the point it reaches their systems, then it’s out of your hands. The
> type of scenario that you’re describing is already happening and there are
> already issues with outsourcing data and other IT functions in that manner.
>
>
>
> Let’s say that I have an agreement to store electronic backups with NTG
> (Venue, whatever) here in Baton Rouge. I ensure that the method of
> communication is secure and uses encryption, and that the servers performing
> the backups mutually authenticate each other. Great! What happens when
> someone walks into NTG and walks out with my blade or my tapes? There wasn’t
> much I could do to secure that data other than agree to the service level
> agreement. So now we want to take that concept and apply it to every facet
> of daily computing?
>
>
>
> Even if the application is stored in the cloud and the data resides locally
> on a hard drive or network storage device, what happens when the central
> application is modified or exploited in some way? Will we know? Can we know?
> How many people will it affect? Everyone?
>
>
>
> Bundle in all of the regulatory and governmental issues concerned with
> storage and transmission of personal data and other pieces of information,
> and you’re looking at years before something like this could be practical
> for businesses or individuals dealing with sensitive information. Only when
> the operating system (Chrome OS for instance) resides WITHIN the trusted
> computing environment does this make sense, and at that point we’re looking
> at something similar to Citrix, mainframes and dummy terminals, etc… which
> isn’t exactly a new  breakthrough in computing. I guess that Citrix has been
> doing it reliably for years, but remember that the Citrix servers don’t
> reside on Citrix’s network – they reside on your own, and you are
> responsible for securing them.
>
>
>
> On the other hand, a lot of idiots can’t even apply a simple patch or
> update once a week/month to eliminate a vulnerability. With millions of
> people out there running their own independent versions of an unpatched
> operating system, it gives attackers many more targets to hit. If updates
> and security fixes were applied to centralized applications, that would
> simplify the problem.
>
>
>
> Sorry for the rambling. I’m not saying it isn’t a great idea and that
> reducing costs isn’t a good thing, I’m just saying that simply allowing my
> data to reside elsewhere because it’s “cheap” and “logical” and “the next
> step” doesn’t necessarily make it safe. Maybe I am being too paranoid, but
> that seems unlikely given the stories I read every day in the newspaper
> about identity theft and electronic data breaches. The solution doesn’t seem
> to be putting all of our eggs into one basket, but many eggs in many
> different baskets. :)
>
>
>
>
>
> *F

Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto be all that great..

[Jarred White]

Yeah you're pretty much wrong about the workstation being connected to
the Internet bit. My patched, firewalled workstation connected to the
Internet is much better off than your unpatched, unfirewalled
workstation connected to the Internet. 

 

Sorry, but I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one
:P

 

From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Tim Fournet
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:20 PM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is
goingto be all that great..

 

I am saying that the fact that your workstation at work is connected to
the internet makes it at least as insecure as anything else on the
internet.

Are you suggesting that your data is safe just because it's stored on
machines that you bought yourself? Is your own office really more secure
than NTG? Does your office offer the same premises security as a typical
datacenter? If not, then your point about someone walking out with
backup tapes is invalid. If so, then you're either sharing that service
with other tenants, or have spent a LOT of money on security that you
may not receive a return on.

What if your own machine were to be compromised? Would you know then? I
hear cases on a regular basis from people who have had their end user
devices compromised. These could be loaded with keyloggers, botnet
daemons, etc. I'm a firm believer in dumbing down the end user device as
much as possible, and focusing on centralizing the data. If you have
your data in a known location, you can put a lot more effort into
technology that secures the central location. Desktop PCs, laptops, even
phones are a wild card. Microsoft has made a world where end users are
by default administrators on their machines and able to unwillingly
install any type of malware that comes around. If you take away a
device's ability to be compromised, then you limit the damage it can do.




On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Jarred White  wrote:

Because my personal desktop at home, or my workstation at work, connects
to the Internet, my data is in "the cloud?" That doesn't make any sense.
So because I have systems here at work where I store workpapers and
documents and other materials related to my clients, that information is
actually residing in the cloud? I'm not sure I agree.

 

The communication methods (VPN, SSL, frame relay, etc...) in use can
certainly provide for a level of trust and security, but the fact of the
matter is that when your data resides elsewhere (someone else's data
center) then you are leaving it up to your service level agreement with
that vendor to protect the data. At that point, you can only do what's
reasonable up until the point it reaches their systems, then it's out of
your hands. The type of scenario that you're describing is already
happening and there are already issues with outsourcing data and other
IT functions in that manner. 

 

Let's say that I have an agreement to store electronic backups with NTG
(Venue, whatever) here in Baton Rouge. I ensure that the method of
communication is secure and uses encryption, and that the servers
performing the backups mutually authenticate each other. Great! What
happens when someone walks into NTG and walks out with my blade or my
tapes? There wasn't much I could do to secure that data other than agree
to the service level agreement. So now we want to take that concept and
apply it to every facet of daily computing? 

 

Even if the application is stored in the cloud and the data resides
locally on a hard drive or network storage device, what happens when the
central application is modified or exploited in some way? Will we know?
Can we know? How many people will it affect? Everyone? 

 

Bundle in all of the regulatory and governmental issues concerned with
storage and transmission of personal data and other pieces of
information, and you're looking at years before something like this
could be practical for businesses or individuals dealing with sensitive
information. Only when the operating system (Chrome OS for instance)
resides WITHIN the trusted computing environment does this make sense,
and at that point we're looking at something similar to Citrix,
mainframes and dummy terminals, etc... which isn't exactly a new
breakthrough in computing. I guess that Citrix has been doing it
reliably for years, but remember that the Citrix servers don't reside on
Citrix's network - they reside on your own, and you are responsible for
securing them. 

 

On the other hand, a lot of idiots can't even apply a simple patch or
update once a week/month to eliminate a vulnerability. With millions of
people out there running their own independent versions of an unpatched
operating system, it gives attackers many more targets to hit. If
updates and security fixes were applied to centralized applications,
that would simplify the problem.

 

Sorry for the rambling. I'm not saying it isn't a great idea and that
reduci