date:20110630

[brlug-general] Ruby on Rails

2011-06-30 Thread Dustin Puryear

I know some peeps in NOLA that are looking for a Ruby on Rails dev. Email 
Jameson (jqu...@gmail.com) for more information. I 
know them, and they'll be looking for somebody that knows their stuff.


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Re: [brlug-general] Programming certification.

2011-06-30 Thread Byron Como

I have great respect for the MS Certifications. When it comes to testing 
time you either know the material or you don't. I did save some money - 
I bought a copy of "Practical PostgresSQL" for $5.65 at Amazon.com. It 
even has the original CD. Answered the question on sequences I had the 
first time I cracked the book. I've been watching the whole YouTube 
series by NewBoston and PHPAcademy. They're a little raw but I think 
they do teach some useful skills. Its helpful to listen and watch. I 
like their prototyping methodology in the series on user registration. 
Recently I began freelancing commercial art (my old gig as a sales 
administrator for Hobby Motors has gone into retirement with the owner) 
and I'm creating my own contact database with Postgresql, Php and 
Apache. Say bye bye to Access 97.


On 6/30/2011 11:01 AM, Worms wrote:

The MS Certs and the newer java (1.5) certs are well respected.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 30, 2011, at 10:37, Brad Bendily  wrote:


Back to the certification issue, something is better than nothing in most cases.
I assume most hiring managers, if they don't know about w3schools or
LSU or whatever other
cert you have, (and this totally depends on the number of applications
they receive) would
look it up and try to ascertain if it is a decent cert. No one things
because you have a cert
in X, that you're an expert in X, but they do think at least you have
some knowledge and the
desire to learn and go out to get a cert.
If a hiring manager receives hundreds of apps from individuals, then
those will most likely be
weeded out by HR. And HR is going to look for matching up items from
the resume to items
requested on the posting.

Regarding w3schools, if someone looks that up, they may think, "this
is an online
only test" and therefore may decide to not give as much weight as a
cert you took a course for
and then a test at LSU with a proctor involved. Not that one is better
than the other, but it's about
perception. You may want to search for industry recognized certs, i'm
not sure what those are
for web programming, but that may be the best option instead of random
classes at lsu.

The tough part for you, that i can tell, is you're just trying to get
certs to have something, then going to
find a job? I suggest looking for jobs you want, then getting certs
they request/desire.
Most postings will say, X cert required or desired.
Certs aren't the end all, but they certainly help get your resume past
HR, but usually if it's the cert
that is mentioned in the posting.

That said, the 3-4 jobs I have had have been mostly by reference, then
me being able to sell myself.
One of which was a reference right here on BRLUG. (actually, my current job).

I would say keep trying, and don't not apply for a job cause you don't
match what's listed.
One thing to remember about a job posting is that they request/desire
an expert, but only want to
pay entry level. My thought has always been, you may not have all the
desired skills, but you may
be the most skilled person to apply.

bb



I protest the $495.
Heh.

On 6/28/2011 8:15 AM, Dustin Puryear wrote:

You protest what? That LSU is offering those classes? They seem useful to
me.



From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Byron Como
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:04 PM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Programming certification.



LSU Continuing Education Courses:

Web Design Basics/Introduction to HTML - $395

PHP / MySQL for Web Developers - $495

I doth protest, sir.


E-Learning Center:
http://www.e-learningcenter.com/web_design.htm

PHP&  MySQL - $69




On 6/26/2011 11:39 PM, Joey Kelly wrote:

On Sat June 25 2011 9:52 pm, Byron Como wrote:

Is w3schools a legit certification?



No. You take a "test" online, then they market a certificate to you.
I've

taken a couple of their quizzes, they're based on their tutorials and
only

ask the most basic of questions. Don't waste your money.









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Re: [brlug-general] Programming certification.

2011-06-30 Thread Worms

The MS Certs and the newer java (1.5) certs are well respected.  

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 30, 2011, at 10:37, Brad Bendily  wrote:

> Back to the certification issue, something is better than nothing in most 
> cases.
> I assume most hiring managers, if they don't know about w3schools or
> LSU or whatever other
> cert you have, (and this totally depends on the number of applications
> they receive) would
> look it up and try to ascertain if it is a decent cert. No one things
> because you have a cert
> in X, that you're an expert in X, but they do think at least you have
> some knowledge and the
> desire to learn and go out to get a cert.
> If a hiring manager receives hundreds of apps from individuals, then
> those will most likely be
> weeded out by HR. And HR is going to look for matching up items from
> the resume to items
> requested on the posting.
> 
> Regarding w3schools, if someone looks that up, they may think, "this
> is an online
> only test" and therefore may decide to not give as much weight as a
> cert you took a course for
> and then a test at LSU with a proctor involved. Not that one is better
> than the other, but it's about
> perception. You may want to search for industry recognized certs, i'm
> not sure what those are
> for web programming, but that may be the best option instead of random
> classes at lsu.
> 
> The tough part for you, that i can tell, is you're just trying to get
> certs to have something, then going to
> find a job? I suggest looking for jobs you want, then getting certs
> they request/desire.
> Most postings will say, X cert required or desired.
> Certs aren't the end all, but they certainly help get your resume past
> HR, but usually if it's the cert
> that is mentioned in the posting.
> 
> That said, the 3-4 jobs I have had have been mostly by reference, then
> me being able to sell myself.
> One of which was a reference right here on BRLUG. (actually, my current job).
> 
> I would say keep trying, and don't not apply for a job cause you don't
> match what's listed.
> One thing to remember about a job posting is that they request/desire
> an expert, but only want to
> pay entry level. My thought has always been, you may not have all the
> desired skills, but you may
> be the most skilled person to apply.
> 
> bb
> 
> 
>>> I protest the $495.
>>> Heh.
>>> 
>>> On 6/28/2011 8:15 AM, Dustin Puryear wrote:
>>> 
>>> You protest what? That LSU is offering those classes? They seem useful to
>>> me.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On
>>> Behalf Of Byron Como
>>> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:04 PM
>>> To: general@brlug.net
>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Programming certification.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> LSU Continuing Education Courses:
>>> 
>>> Web Design Basics/Introduction to HTML - $395
>>> 
>>> PHP / MySQL for Web Developers - $495
>>> 
>>> I doth protest, sir.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> E-Learning Center:
>>> http://www.e-learningcenter.com/web_design.htm
>>> 
>>> PHP & MySQL - $69
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/26/2011 11:39 PM, Joey Kelly wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Sat June 25 2011 9:52 pm, Byron Como wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is w3schools a legit certification?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> No. You take a "test" online, then they market a certificate to you.
>>> I've
>>> 
>>> taken a couple of their quizzes, they're based on their tutorials and
>>> only
>>> 
>>> ask the most basic of questions. Don't waste your money.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [brlug-general] Programming certification.

2011-06-30 Thread Brad Bendily

Back to the certification issue, something is better than nothing in most cases.
I assume most hiring managers, if they don't know about w3schools or
LSU or whatever other
cert you have, (and this totally depends on the number of applications
they receive) would
look it up and try to ascertain if it is a decent cert. No one things
because you have a cert
in X, that you're an expert in X, but they do think at least you have
some knowledge and the
desire to learn and go out to get a cert.
If a hiring manager receives hundreds of apps from individuals, then
those will most likely be
weeded out by HR. And HR is going to look for matching up items from
the resume to items
requested on the posting.

Regarding w3schools, if someone looks that up, they may think, "this
is an online
only test" and therefore may decide to not give as much weight as a
cert you took a course for
and then a test at LSU with a proctor involved. Not that one is better
than the other, but it's about
perception. You may want to search for industry recognized certs, i'm
not sure what those are
for web programming, but that may be the best option instead of random
classes at lsu.

The tough part for you, that i can tell, is you're just trying to get
certs to have something, then going to
find a job? I suggest looking for jobs you want, then getting certs
they request/desire.
Most postings will say, X cert required or desired.
Certs aren't the end all, but they certainly help get your resume past
HR, but usually if it's the cert
that is mentioned in the posting.

That said, the 3-4 jobs I have had have been mostly by reference, then
me being able to sell myself.
One of which was a reference right here on BRLUG. (actually, my current job).

I would say keep trying, and don't not apply for a job cause you don't
match what's listed.
One thing to remember about a job posting is that they request/desire
an expert, but only want to
pay entry level. My thought has always been, you may not have all the
desired skills, but you may
be the most skilled person to apply.

bb

>> I protest the $495.
>> Heh.
>>
>> On 6/28/2011 8:15 AM, Dustin Puryear wrote:
>>
>> You protest what? That LSU is offering those classes? They seem useful to
>> me.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On
>> Behalf Of Byron Como
>> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:04 PM
>> To: general@brlug.net
>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Programming certification.
>>
>>
>>
>> LSU Continuing Education Courses:
>>
>> Web Design Basics/Introduction to HTML - $395
>>
>> PHP / MySQL for Web Developers - $495
>>
>> I doth protest, sir.
>>
>>
>> E-Learning Center:
>> http://www.e-learningcenter.com/web_design.htm
>>
>> PHP & MySQL - $69
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/26/2011 11:39 PM, Joey Kelly wrote:
>>
>> On Sat June 25 2011 9:52 pm, Byron Como wrote:
>>
>> Is w3schools a legit certification?
>>
>>
>>
>> No. You take a "test" online, then they market a certificate to you.
>> I've
>>
>> taken a couple of their quizzes, they're based on their tutorials and
>> only
>>
>> ask the most basic of questions. Don't waste your money.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [brlug-general] Programming certification.

2011-06-30 Thread Shannon Roddy

That has been my exact experience.  Worse, one of the night classes I took,
the instructor was a Unisys employee by day and an instructor by night.  He
not only didn't know lots of material, he was factually incorrect on a lot
of it.  The worst part was this wasn't just a CE certification course.

Overall, my experience with LSU was certainly not worth the money I paid for
it, but I fear that it is the situation with many degree granting
institutions.


On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Edmund Cramp  wrote:

> **
> The last CE course I took at LSU (Advanced Excel) the *actual 
> instructor*answered all my questions with, "Well if you figure that out, get 
> back to
> me."  Based on my experiences in several courses, there I wouldn't given
> anyone credit for having a certification.  Did anyone see the recent
> catalogue from LSU asking for a similar amount of money to learn to use
> Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn?
>
> For the amount that they charge, you'll learn more if you lock yourself in
> a room with a couple of decent books and manuals for a couple of days - and
> you'll save money.
>
> Edmund Cramp
> --
> "I think the 'Clueless' movie was very deep. I think it was deep in the way
> that it was very light. I think lightness has to come from a very deep place
> if it's true lightness." - Alicia Silverstone, 2000
>
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> *From:* general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] *On
> Behalf Of *Dustin Puryear
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2011 1:26 PM
>
> *To:* general@brlug.net
> *Subject:* Re: [brlug-general] Programming certification.
>
>  Oh. Ha. Well, LSU has actual instructors, no? I think the other link you
> had was for web-based training.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] *On
> Behalf Of *Byron Como
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2011 12:35 PM
> *To:* general@brlug.net
> *Subject:* Re: [brlug-general] Programming certification.
>
> ** **
>
> I protest the $495.
> Heh.
>
> On 6/28/2011 8:15 AM, Dustin Puryear wrote: 
>
> You protest what? That LSU is offering those classes? They seem useful to
> me. 
>
>   
>
> *From:* general-boun...@brlug.net 
> [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net]
> *On Behalf Of *Byron Como
> *Sent:* Monday, June 27, 2011 4:04 PM
> *To:* general@brlug.net
> *Subject:* Re: [brlug-general] Programming certification. 
>
>   
>
> LSU Continuing Education Courses:
>
> Web Design Basics/Introduction to HTML - $395
>
> PHP / MySQL for Web Developers - $495
>
> I doth protest, sir.
>
>
> E-Learning Center:
> http://www.e-learningcenter.com/web_design.htm
>
> PHP & MySQL - $69
>
>
>
>
> On 6/26/2011 11:39 PM, Joey Kelly wrote: 
>
> On Sat June 25 2011 9:52 pm, Byron Como wrote:  
>
> Is w3schools a legit certification?  
>
>
>
> No. You take a "test" online, then they market a certificate to you. I've   
> 
>
> taken a couple of their quizzes, they're based on their tutorials and only   
> 
>
> ask the most basic of questions. Don't waste your money.  
>
>
>
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Re: [brlug-general] Programming certification.

2011-06-30 Thread Edmund Cramp

The last CE course I took at LSU (Advanced Excel) the actual instructor 
answered all my questions with, "Well if you figure that out, get back to me."  
Based on my experiences in several courses, there I wouldn't given anyone 
credit for having a certification.  Did anyone see the recent catalogue from 
LSU asking for a similar amount of money to learn to use Twitter, Facebook and 
LinkedIn?
 
For the amount that they charge, you'll learn more if you lock yourself in a 
room with a couple of decent books and manuals for a couple of days - and 
you'll save money. 
Edmund Cramp
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that it was very light. I think lightness has to come from a very deep place if 
it's true lightness." - Alicia Silverstone, 2000




From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On Behalf Of 
Dustin Puryear
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 1:26 PM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Programming certification.


Oh. Ha. Well, LSU has actual instructors, no? I think the other link you had 
was for web-based training.
 
From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On Behalf Of 
Byron Como
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 12:35 PM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Programming certification.
 
I protest the $495.
Heh.

On 6/28/2011 8:15 AM, Dustin Puryear wrote: 
You protest what? That LSU is offering those classes? They seem useful to me. 
  
From: general-boun...@brlug.net [mailto:general-boun...@brlug.net] On Behalf Of 
Byron Como
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:04 PM
To: general@brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Programming certification. 
  
LSU Continuing Education Courses:

Web Design Basics/Introduction to HTML - $395

PHP / MySQL for Web Developers - $495

I doth protest, sir.


E-Learning Center:
http://www.e-learningcenter.com/web_design.htm

PHP & MySQL - $69




On 6/26/2011 11:39 PM, Joey Kelly wrote: 
On Sat June 25 2011 9:52 pm, Byron Como wrote:  
Is w3schools a legit certification?  
   
No. You take a "test" online, then they market a certificate to you. I've   
taken a couple of their quizzes, they're based on their tutorials and only   
ask the most basic of questions. Don't waste your money.  
   
  
 
 
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