Re: Any More Unsent Votes? (Re: [VOTE] Graduate Harmony to TLP status (pending board approval))

[William A. Rowe, Jr.]

Sorry - just reviewed email archives during the downtime/move - +1 here -
the group groks Apache :)

Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> Anyone else?  Mino started processing last night, and I want to give
> time for people to have a chance to vote...
> 
> geir
> 
> Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>> The Apache Harmony community has voted to request graduation
>> from the Incubator as a TLP.
>>
>>  >   200610.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> The following votes have been recorded (in order of votes cast) :
>>
>>+1  Geir Magnusson Jr (Incubator PMC/committer/mentor)
>>+1  Etienne Gagnon
>>+1  Gregory Shimansky (committer)
>>+1  Sam Ruby  (Incubator PMC)
>>+1  Rana Dasgupta
>>+1  Danese Cooper
>>+1  Mark Hindess  (committer)
>>+1  Alex Blewitt
>>+1  Mikhail Fursov
>>+1  Matthias Wessendorf
>>+1  Alexei A Fedotov
>>+1  Jorden Justen
>>+1  Andrew Zhang
>>+1  Leo Li
>>+1  Nathan Beyer  (committer)
>>+1  Naveen Neelakantam
>>+1  Mikhail Loenko(committer)
>>+1  Leo Simons(Incubator PMC/mentor)
>>+1  Paulex Yang   (committer)
>>+1  Tim Ellison   (committer)
>>+1  Salikh Zakirov
>>+1  Alex Karasulu (Incubator PMC)
>>+1  Weldon Washburn   (committer)
>>+1  Sergey Soldatov
>>+1  Nadya Morozova
>>+1  Robert Burrell Donkin (Incubator PMC)
>>+1  Richard Liang (committer)
>>+1  Vladimir Ivanov
>>+1  Dan Lydick(committer)
>>+1  Tony Wu
>>+1  Spark Shen
>>+1  Rui Hu
>>+1  Pavel Rebriy
>>+1  Pavel Ozhdikhin
>>+1  Jimmy Jing
>>+1  Xiao-Feng Li
>>+1  Alexey A Ivanov
>>+1  Pavel Pervov
>>+1  Sian January
>>+1  Pavel Afremov
>>+1  Alexei Zakharov(committer)
>>+1  Stefano Mazzocchi  (Incubator PMC/mentor)
>>+1  Davanum Srinivas   (Incubator PMC/mentor)
>>+1  Svetlana Konovalova
>>+1  Egor Pasko
>>+1  Stepan Mishura (committer)
>>+1  Ilya Okomin
>>
>> Under the Incubator process, Harmony must have a destination prior
>> to exiting incubation, which means the ASF Board must decide whether or
>> not create a TLP for Apache Harmony prior to the Incubator vote being
>> official.  However, I suspect that the board would want some indication
>> that we are ready to graduate first.
>>
>> So, I am asking for a vote of the Incubator on graduation of Harmony
>> that is conditional on the board's approval of a TLP for that purpose.
>> This way we don't have to vote again after the board meeting on
>> Wednesday (or whenever the board considers the proposal).
>>
>> Please send in your +1/0/-1 to approve/abstain/disapprove.
>>
>> Status: 
>>
>> Site: 
>>
>> List: 
>>
>> geir
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Ivy

[Antoine Levy-Lambert]

Garrett Rooney wrote:
> Ahh, sorry, my bad.  If you're already an ASF Member you should have
> write access to the appropriate places in the incubator tree.  The web
> pages are all under /incubator/public, and the members group has write
> access there.
>
True, I have added a file called ivy.xml, added ivy to
site-author/stylesheets/project.xml,
and regenerated the site, then committed my changes.

This has generated surprisingly long diffs.

I do not have incubator UNIX karma yet, it would be cool if someone with
this karma could do a svn update under /www/incubator.apache.org.


Regards,

Antoine


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Re: JiniProposal -> BraintreeProposal

[Carl Trieloff]

Having been through this, may I suggest listing all the project 
terms/values/etc and write a script

to randomly combines them -- (and yes we have a script that does this... :-)

The months of normal naming practices did not turn up a non 
trademarked/place/etc name...


Carl.



Johnson, Eric wrote:
It is also one in Massachusetts, USA 

  

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of Martin Cooper

Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:03 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: JiniProposal -> BraintreeProposal

On 10/24/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Jim Hurley wrote:

  
The third preference ("braintree") seems fairly clean, so we are 
going to go with this name for our project proposal.

I am looking forward to seeing JINI move into the 
  
Incubator, but out 

of curiosity, did Braintree Software (www.braintree.com) 
  
not come up 

in your search?  They appear to be defunct, although the 
  
domain still 

exists, and I was able to pull up the current domain 
  
registration via 


OpenSRS.
  
Didn't we also agree not to use proper nouns and place names? 
Braintree is a town in Essex, UK.


--
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Any More Unsent Votes? (Re: [VOTE] Graduate Harmony to TLP status (pending board approval))

[Geir Magnusson Jr.]

Anyone else?  Mino started processing last night, and I want to give 
time for people to have a chance to vote...


geir

Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:

The Apache Harmony community has voted to request graduation
from the Incubator as a TLP.

 

The following votes have been recorded (in order of votes cast) :

   +1  Geir Magnusson Jr (Incubator PMC/committer/mentor)
   +1  Etienne Gagnon
   +1  Gregory Shimansky (committer)
   +1  Sam Ruby  (Incubator PMC)
   +1  Rana Dasgupta
   +1  Danese Cooper
   +1  Mark Hindess  (committer)
   +1  Alex Blewitt
   +1  Mikhail Fursov
   +1  Matthias Wessendorf
   +1  Alexei A Fedotov
   +1  Jorden Justen
   +1  Andrew Zhang
   +1  Leo Li
   +1  Nathan Beyer  (committer)
   +1  Naveen Neelakantam
   +1  Mikhail Loenko(committer)
   +1  Leo Simons(Incubator PMC/mentor)
   +1  Paulex Yang   (committer)
   +1  Tim Ellison   (committer)
   +1  Salikh Zakirov
   +1  Alex Karasulu (Incubator PMC)
   +1  Weldon Washburn   (committer)
   +1  Sergey Soldatov
   +1  Nadya Morozova
   +1  Robert Burrell Donkin (Incubator PMC)
   +1  Richard Liang (committer)
   +1  Vladimir Ivanov
   +1  Dan Lydick(committer)
   +1  Tony Wu
   +1  Spark Shen
   +1  Rui Hu
   +1  Pavel Rebriy
   +1  Pavel Ozhdikhin
   +1  Jimmy Jing
   +1  Xiao-Feng Li
   +1  Alexey A Ivanov
   +1  Pavel Pervov
   +1  Sian January
   +1  Pavel Afremov
   +1  Alexei Zakharov(committer)
   +1  Stefano Mazzocchi  (Incubator PMC/mentor)
   +1  Davanum Srinivas   (Incubator PMC/mentor)
   +1  Svetlana Konovalova
   +1  Egor Pasko
   +1  Stepan Mishura (committer)
   +1  Ilya Okomin

Under the Incubator process, Harmony must have a destination prior
to exiting incubation, which means the ASF Board must decide whether or
not create a TLP for Apache Harmony prior to the Incubator vote being
official.  However, I suspect that the board would want some indication
that we are ready to graduate first.

So, I am asking for a vote of the Incubator on graduation of Harmony
that is conditional on the board's approval of a TLP for that purpose.
This way we don't have to vote again after the board meeting on
Wednesday (or whenever the board considers the proposal).

Please send in your +1/0/-1 to approve/abstain/disapprove.

Status: 

Site: 

List: 

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RE: JiniProposal -> BraintreeProposal

[Johnson, Eric]

It is also one in Massachusetts, USA 

> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Martin Cooper
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:03 PM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: JiniProposal -> BraintreeProposal
> 
> On 10/24/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Jim Hurley wrote:
> >
> > > The third preference ("braintree") seems fairly clean, so we are 
> > > going to go with this name for our project proposal.
> >
> > I am looking forward to seeing JINI move into the 
> Incubator, but out 
> > of curiosity, did Braintree Software (www.braintree.com) 
> not come up 
> > in your search?  They appear to be defunct, although the 
> domain still 
> > exists, and I was able to pull up the current domain 
> registration via 
> > OpenSRS.
> 
> 
> Didn't we also agree not to use proper nouns and place names? 
> Braintree is a town in Essex, UK.
> 
> --
> Martin Cooper
> 
> 
> --- Noel
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Re: New Name for UIMA Podling?

[Marshall Schor]

The most popular way to pronounce UIMA is you-eee-muh.

There is a fairly large user community using pre-Apache UIMA.   The 
potential confusion about which UIMA people may be talking about may be 
mitigated somewhat by versioning.  The pre-Apache releases are numbered 
1.x.x; the Apache ones will be numbered as 2.x.x and higher.  (We are 
showing a "beta" level of 2.x in pre-Apache form, but will transition 
users as rapidly as possible to the the Apache one, once we get set up 
and "going" in Apache).


If we rename it, this might cause some confusion itself - it would 
appear that there were 2 different things, rather than one thing that 
was moving from its previous environment to Apache.  I'm not sure what 
would be more confusing - having a new name, or having users understand 
that the project has moved to Apache. 

I agree it's good to avoid creating the impression of having Apache 
becoming a BigCo shill.  But I'm not sure renaming will do very much for 
this point, one way or another.


For what its worth, I'm slightly on the side of thinking it's less 
confusing (especially to the existing users) to keep the name.


-Marshall Schor

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Mads Toftum wrote:
  

+1 - there seems to have started some sort of fascination with changing
names where there is no need. In general I'm not really a fan of naming
things so that it is impossible to guess what a project is (that's hard
enough as it is already).



How would UIMA be pronounced in languages other than English?
Aside from that, I'm wary of tedious and uninspiring names,
like 'log4j'.  I'm also wary of retaining names for projects
that have had an existence prior to Apache.  One reason is
possible IP issues, and another is confusion.  If some commercial
concern has a product based on UIMA and they say so.. do they
mean Apache UIMA?  Pre-Apache UIMA?  If they adopt the Apache
package, do we need to worry about brand issues?  (Answer: yes.)

This is a new set of IP attributes for this item.  I seriously think
it needs a new name.. and not least because it's coming from
the company with probably the greatest investment in software IP
on the planet.  With all the (baseless) remarks about Apache
becoming a BigCo shill and clearinghouse, I see contraindications
for maintaining the BigCo name.

Just MHO.
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[VOTE] Publish Yoko M1 release

[Mosur Ravi, Balaji]

Hi,

 

I have fixed all the issues that were raised during the earlier vote and
I have uploaded the new release at: http://people.apache.org/~bravi

 

Also, I used the tag
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/yoko/tags/yoko-1.0-incubating
-M1-release for the release.

 

For the idl grammar license issue, got a confirmation from the apache
legal team that it is fine not to include any header in that file but
mention it in the License file.

http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/200610.mbox/%
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

The Yoko community voted on and has approved a proposal to release Yoko
Milestone 1. Pursuant to the Releases section of the Incubation
Policy we would now like to request the permission of the Incubator PMC
to publish the milestone on the Yoko Download page.
 
 
Thanks
 
Balaji
 
Proposal:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-yoko-dev/200609.mbox/
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%3e
 
Vote result:
[VOTE] [RESULT] Publish Yoko M1 release
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-yoko-dev/200609.mbox/
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Download from:
http://people.apache.org/~bravi
 
Releases section of the Incubation Policy:
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Releases

 

 

 

Re: New Name for UIMA Podling?

[Otis Gospodnetic]

Hi,

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Mads Toftum wrote:
> 
> +1 - there seems to have started some sort of fascination with changing
> names where there is no need. In general I'm not really a fan of naming
> things so that it is impossible to guess what a project is (that's hard
> enough as it is already).

How would UIMA be pronounced in languages other than English?

OG: How is New York pronounced in languages other than English?  I think 
pronouncing UIMA would follow the same pattern.
My question is: how do you pronounce UIMA in English?  I actually don't 
pronounce it the English way, I pronounce it the Croatian/phonetic way - U ("u" 
as in [oo]ze) I ("i" as in [i]diot) M ("m" as in [m]ama) A ("as" as in 
[a]nother).

Otis

Aside from that, I'm wary of tedious and uninspiring names,
like 'log4j'.  I'm also wary of retaining names for projects
that have had an existence prior to Apache.  One reason is
possible IP issues, and another is confusion.  If some commercial
concern has a product based on UIMA and they say so.. do they
mean Apache UIMA?  Pre-Apache UIMA?  If they adopt the Apache
package, do we need to worry about brand issues?  (Answer: yes.)

This is a new set of IP attributes for this item.  I seriously think
it needs a new name.. and not least because it's coming from
the company with probably the greatest investment in software IP
on the planet.  With all the (baseless) remarks about Apache
becoming a BigCo shill and clearinghouse, I see contraindications
for maintaining the BigCo name.

Just MHO.
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Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini  http://Ken.Coar.Org/
Author, developer, opinionist  http://Apache-Server.Com/

"Millennium hand and shrimp!"
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Re: New Name for UIMA Podling?

[Rodent of Unusual Size]

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Mads Toftum wrote:
> 
> +1 - there seems to have started some sort of fascination with changing
> names where there is no need. In general I'm not really a fan of naming
> things so that it is impossible to guess what a project is (that's hard
> enough as it is already).

How would UIMA be pronounced in languages other than English?
Aside from that, I'm wary of tedious and uninspiring names,
like 'log4j'.  I'm also wary of retaining names for projects
that have had an existence prior to Apache.  One reason is
possible IP issues, and another is confusion.  If some commercial
concern has a product based on UIMA and they say so.. do they
mean Apache UIMA?  Pre-Apache UIMA?  If they adopt the Apache
package, do we need to worry about brand issues?  (Answer: yes.)

This is a new set of IP attributes for this item.  I seriously think
it needs a new name.. and not least because it's coming from
the company with probably the greatest investment in software IP
on the planet.  With all the (baseless) remarks about Apache
becoming a BigCo shill and clearinghouse, I see contraindications
for maintaining the BigCo name.

Just MHO.
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Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini  http://Ken.Coar.Org/
Author, developer, opinionist  http://Apache-Server.Com/

"Millennium hand and shrimp!"
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Re: JiniProposal -> BraintreeProposal

[Martin Cooper]

On 10/24/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Jim Hurley wrote:

> The third preference ("braintree") seems fairly clean, so
> we are going to go with this name for our project proposal.

I am looking forward to seeing JINI move into the Incubator, but out of
curiosity, did Braintree Software (www.braintree.com) not come up in your
search?  They appear to be defunct, although the domain still exists, and
I
was able to pull up the current domain registration via OpenSRS.



Didn't we also agree not to use proper nouns and place names? Braintree is a
town in Essex, UK.

--
Martin Cooper


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Re: [PROPOSAL] Ivy

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

On 10/23/06, Xavier Hanin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


...I and all the Ivy team and user community hope you will consider this
proposal carefully, and accept the project to join the foundation...


Late but warm +1

(assuming a +1 can be *warm* ;-)

-Bertrand

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Re: How to submit policy changes?

[robert burrell donkin]

On 10/25/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Noel J. Bergman wrote:

> robert burrell donkin wrote:
> > therefore to avoid a second vote to record a policy already approved,
> > all policy changes should be proposed in the form of patches to the
> > policy document.

> I see your point, but it seems a tad excessive.  And it may not make the
> policy as clear, when presented in the form of a diff.

In the specific case of the bootstrap proposal, it would appear to effect:

  http://incubator.apache.org/guides/entry.html
  http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html
  
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion


these pages are CTR. these can simply be updated once the policy is
approved. if there are no changes in the actual policy then what we
have are changes to recommendations and suggestions which are not
binding policy.


And while we will need to record the policy, I'd rather not see a
straightforward policy degenerate into a debate over how to factor web
pages.  And it seems clear to me that such a diff across multiple pages
would be far more difficult for people to understand.

Thoughts?


policy is recorded only in one document so the diff would just be for
the http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html.

IMO the policy document should be a simple record of what has been
agreed by the IPMC with all explainations and descriptions pushed to
documents which are CTR.

- robert

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Re: mirroring/rsyncing the maven repos on people.apache.org?

[robert burrell donkin]

On 10/26/06, James Strachan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

With the hardware issues of people.apache.org lately its been a trying
week working on stuff in the incubator - maven builds have been
failing most of the week. We've also lost a few releases it seems
(XBean 2.7, ServiceMix 3.0 maybe others too) due to the reversal to an
old backup.

Am wondering, is it time to mirror the repos in people.apache.org so
we can insulate ourselves against future failures?


infrastructure historically have very real worries about the bandwidth
which would be consumed by lots of short lived releases being pushed
out to the full range of mirrors. the incubator historically has
issues about users becoming confused between full apache releases and
incubator releases. both forces pushed towards installing on
people.apache.org.

i'm strongly in favour of using a special subversion repository to
store releases of all kinds and maven repositories in particular. this
would allow pre-commit scripts to be run to check that the artifacts
complies with the requirements about signatures and checksums. it
would also give a complete history for all artifacts, log who uploaded
which artifacts and allow easy email messages to be sent whenever
changes are made to the repository. access could be limited to release
managers.

so, i would prefer to see incubator releases stored in a central
subversion repository and a zone managed by the IPMC used to host them
for download. perhaps a small number of select incubator-only mirrors
could be recruited. IMHO this would solve the worries over excessive
rsync bandwidth and the IPMCs concerns about isolation.

- robert

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Re: [PROPOSAL] Ivy

[Alex Karasulu]

Stephane Bailliez wrote:

Xavier Hanin wrote:


After several weeks of discussion with our user community [1] and with
several Apache members, I am proud to present a proposal [2] for the open
source project Ivy to join the Apache Incubator.

I and all the Ivy team and user community hope you will consider this
proposal carefully, and accept the project to join the foundation.


+1



Likewise +1

Alex

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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Harmony to TLP status (pending board approval)

[Yoav Shapira]

Hi,


> Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> > The Apache Harmony community has voted to request graduation
> > from the Incubator as a TLP.
> >
> >   >   200610.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


+1 from me, a bit late as my email server seems to be finally catching up ;)

Yoav

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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Harmony to TLP status (pending board approval)

[Leo Simons]

On Oct 24, 2006, at 1:02 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:


The Apache Harmony community has voted to request graduation
from the Incubator as a TLP.

 

The following votes have been recorded (in order of votes cast) :




   +1  Leo Simons(Incubator PMC/mentor)



Please send in your +1/0/-1 to approve/abstain/disapprove.


+1.

LSD


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mirroring/rsyncing the maven repos on people.apache.org?

[James Strachan]

With the hardware issues of people.apache.org lately its been a trying
week working on stuff in the incubator - maven builds have been
failing most of the week. We've also lost a few releases it seems
(XBean 2.7, ServiceMix 3.0 maybe others too) due to the reversal to an
old backup.

Am wondering, is it time to mirror the repos in people.apache.org so
we can insulate ourselves against future failures?

--

James
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