[DISCUSS] Community diversity: current concerns and suggestions for improvement
Hi, Here's an attempt to summarize our recent discussions, and suggest some actions. Comments are welcome, of course. 1) We need better tools for Incubator PMC members to measure the community diversity of incubating projects, especially before graduation. Suggestion: -Require a "community diversity" paragraph in the incubating project's board reports *and* in all graduation proposals We agree that the guidelines defined at [1] are fine, the goal of this report is to have the mentor's opinion on the project's health w.r.t. these guidelines. We expect the mentors to report any imbalance that they observe in the community dynamics, either one-man shows, companies having a major impact via employees paid to work on the project, etc. 2) Disclose company affiliations in incubator proposals and graduation requests Several of us agree about asking committers and mentors to disclose their company affiliations in proposals for new incubating projects. If someone's involvement in the project is independent of their company affiliation, they are welcome to mention that in the proposal. The same should apply to graduation requests, to help Incubator PMC members in asserting the community diversity. 3) Limit the number of new non-ASF initial committers for incubating projects People who were not ASF committers but come in via a newly incubating project do not get their commit rights via the normal ASF meritocracy rules. We might want to limit the number of such commiters, to limit the number of people who get in via this "shortcut". The downside of such a limitation, as someone mentioned in discussions, is that getting new committers in this way is also an opportunity to "convert" more people to the ASF way. Let's talk about the above points, and if we agree update our policies accordingly. -Bertrand [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [DISCUSS] Community diversity: current concerns and suggestions for improvement
> 3) Limit the number of new non-ASF initial committers for incubating projects > People who were not ASF committers but come in via a newly incubating > project do not get their commit rights via the normal ASF meritocracy > rules. > > We might want to limit the number of such commiters, to limit the > number of people who get in via this "shortcut". > > The downside of such a limitation, as someone mentioned in > discussions, is that getting new committers in this way is also an > opportunity to "convert" more people to the ASF way. If I think about Wicket, this limitation would have been a problem, since at the time Wicket started incubation, only one of the team members (of the 10+) was already involved an ASF committer. I'm not sure what benefits such a rule would have. True, you don't have much insight in how people of incubating projects got into the project before incubation, but on the other hand, it shouldn't really matter as the incubation is meant for coaching the project members into the ASF way, or at least validating that they can behave in the ASF way for the ASF projects concerned. I believe this should be viewed entirely independent of what they do or have done in outside projects. In other words, I believe ASF should only be concerned about how ASF projects are affected. Eelco - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [DISCUSS] Community diversity: current concerns and suggestions for improvement
I'd like to echo Eelco's comments in their entirety replacing Wicket with Woden. And, I'd like to add that I think 3 would significantly limit the number of new projects entering the incubator. Lawrence "Eelco Hillenius" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11/17/2007 08:43 PM Please respond to general@incubator.apache.org To general@incubator.apache.org cc Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Community diversity: current concerns and suggestions for improvement > 3) Limit the number of new non-ASF initial committers for incubating projects > People who were not ASF committers but come in via a newly incubating > project do not get their commit rights via the normal ASF meritocracy > rules. > > We might want to limit the number of such commiters, to limit the > number of people who get in via this "shortcut". > > The downside of such a limitation, as someone mentioned in > discussions, is that getting new committers in this way is also an > opportunity to "convert" more people to the ASF way. If I think about Wicket, this limitation would have been a problem, since at the time Wicket started incubation, only one of the team members (of the 10+) was already involved an ASF committer. I'm not sure what benefits such a rule would have. True, you don't have much insight in how people of incubating projects got into the project before incubation, but on the other hand, it shouldn't really matter as the incubation is meant for coaching the project members into the ASF way, or at least validating that they can behave in the ASF way for the ASF projects concerned. I believe this should be viewed entirely independent of what they do or have done in outside projects. In other words, I believe ASF should only be concerned about how ASF projects are affected. Eelco - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache SW Grant in other languages?
Hello Janne, > One of my contributors is asking if either the CLA or the Software Grant > are available in other languages than English (French, Dutch or German > preferred). That kind of question would better be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I cannot imagine that you will find any authoritative translation of the legal documents. The ASF is a US-based entity subject to US law, where legal documents need to be in English. You might find interpretations or explanations in other languages, but those would of course not be legally binding. Who would be willing to expose him- or herself to the legal liability resulting from a translation error? Authoritative versions in other languages would only make sense if the documents needed to be adjusted for local laws in other countries. But the ASF has no need for that. If you send that question to legal-discuss@, chances are you will be told to consult a local lawyer who is familiar with US law and can make a translation. cheers, Roland - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
