Re: [DISCUSSION] BlueSky Proposal
Bill Stoddard wrote: Incubator PMC, http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BlueSky This sounds like a really interesting project. I mean that in two ways: first, the project looks very worthwhile in itself, helping rural communities a couple of extra steps up the education ladder by way of high tech. Secondly, possibly even more important in the long term, having a Chinese initiated project at Apache would be a huge political win, setting precedents: Despite the vast amount of (talented) Chinese people, I feel that there are rather few widespread Chinese-initiated or -led open source software projects - at least I don't know of many (And if I'm making a fool of myself right there, then please give me a clue-by-four right now!). It would be a boon to the universe if this situation could be remedied as fast as possible. I actually have no doubt that this will happen sooner or later, but if Apache can make it happen sooner, possibly by helping just this project along the road to worldwide open source adoption, that would be a really great side-goal of this incubation. And yes - this would obviously have to happen in English. Acknowledging that Chinese is a HUGE language in terms of the number of people speaking it, it is still no world language in terms of the number of nationalities speaking it. This can present a problem for many Chinese, given that English education hasn't been, _as far as I understand_, a top priority in China until somewhat recently. Thus, to make this happen, there will probably have to be made some extra efforts on both sides. But this can, as mentioned, make a precedent - BlueSky will be an example of Chinese initiated, world wide developed and adopted, open source software - and I believe that the potential long term rewards, not only for this project, can be big. Endre, lurker. PS: Due to the scope of the project, localization to the native languages in the region of deployment, or the use of pictograms and similar, will of course be of huge importance. This focus is also shared with projects like Ubuntu and OLPC, as far as I understand - there might be interest in collaboration. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Release Oversight
I agree with Leo, a combination of e-mail and archived documentation would really be great and a time saver. Thanks for taking care of this! Matthieu On Dec 30, 2007 2:37 AM, Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 29, 2007, at 11:27 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: i'm a little worried about oversight of dist/incubator. incubator is a big group and there are lots of podlings. Yeah, I share the concern. I think we have 25 incubating projects at the moment. We *have* to fundamentally change how we do releases at some point. i've been thinking about using a scanner on minotaur to collect information and collate it into a document. i had thought about running it monthly and posting it to this list but it might be long so this seems a little intrusive. *shrug*. The upside of dumping stuff to people in e-mail is that it is most likely they look at it. i now wonder whether it might be better to check the document into the incubator site as public documentation. each month, i'd generate a new monthly report, add it to the site and then post a summary email. (it's not as much work as it sounds since it should all be scriptable.) this means that a record of monthly distribution reports would be created in subversion and publically available from the site. That sounds good, too. I guess if it were me I'd make the email actually contain the full report, too, for maximum social engineering benefit. Or otherwise perhaps some facebook-style teaser, like project X has had suspicious-looking artifacts for Y months now, perhaps you should read the full report?. opinions? Go! :-) - Leo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Releases By Retired Podlings
On Dec 30, 2007 2:11 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've been searching for releases by retired podlings in order to archive them but can't locate releases for any of them anyone have any ideas about what happend to them? The only one I know of is Agila and no public release had been made so there's nothing th find there. Cheers, Matthieu - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] publish Tika 0.1-incubating
Hi, On Jan 2, 2008 6:18 AM, Niclas Hedhman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Craig pointed out, I would like to see a link to the artifacts you want to release, instead of us go hunting for it... Sorry for the omission. As Graig noticed, the release candidate is available at: http://people.apache.org/~mattmann/apache-tika-0.1-incubating/rc2/ For the record, the MD5 checksums of the release artifacts are: d0a64471386e4c9dbd3b9ff15bcbcf4e apache-tika-0.1-incubating-src.tar.gz 12d3f37bef0c0ea6a36ba1f0e21c954a tika-0.1-incubating.jar b4769ec9c63417dc0a4868a6550de023 tika-0.1-incubating.pom BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] publish Tika 0.1-incubating
Looks ok to me so +1. Was going to say the Incubator disclaimer is missing in the artifacts but then found it in the README file, should probably move that to a separate DISCLAIMER file for later releases. ...ant On Dec 31, 2007 7:20 PM, Chris Mattmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Incubator PMC: The Tika community voted on and has approved a proposal to release Tika 0-1 incubating. Pursuant to the Releases section of the Incubation Policy and with the endorsement of Jukka Zitting, one of our mentors we would now like to request the permission of the Incubator PMC to publish the tarball on the Tika Download page. I'd also like to request on behalf of the Tika community that /www/www.apache.org/dist/incubator/tika, be used as the warehouse for Tika releases. I apologize for creating this directory ahead of time, without asking the PMC: it's simply due to this being my first time as an incubator release manager, and I assure you, it will not happen again. Please vote by 6 PM PST Wednesday, 1/3/2008. Thanks! Proposal: http://www.nabble.com/Tika-0.1-update-to14452777.html Vote result: http://www.nabble.com/-VOTE--Tika-0.1-incubating-Release-Candidate-2-to14522 857.html Download page: http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/tika (will update http://incubator.apache.org/tika/ to have link to above on left hand navigation bar) Releases section of the Incubation Policy: http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Releases Thanks! Cheers, Chris __ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cognizant Development Engineer Early Detection Research Network Project _ Jet Propulsion LaboratoryPasadena, CA Office: 171-266B Mailstop: 171-246 ___ Disclaimer: The opinions presented within are my own and do not reflect those of either NASA, JPL, or the California Institute of Technology. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [DISCUSSION] BlueSky Proposal
Without any doubt, this is a great project with several benefits mentioned in discussion. If Apache could help this first Chinese-initiated project into incubation, this will stimulate lot of enthusiasms in talented Chinese developer community and many great Chinese-initiated projects could come to Apache community. With fast IT technology growth in China, it would be wise for Apache to engage Chinese developer community from perspectives of users and contributers. I have also been doing elevator-pitching that we should have ApacheCon held in China sooner rather than later. Regarding to concerns about project communication in English, I don't think its an obstacle for project at all. Chinese education and in general many Chinese people emphasize a lot in English learning through their school system. For example, all official schools in China have made English part of compulsory courses from 6th grades since 3 decades ago, and many schools in big city starts teaching English from elementary school a decade ago. Several commercial English training institutions in China are even listed on New York Stock exchange. There might be difficulty along the way, but I think that's part of Apache incubation process to help project mature. Having experiences of working with a team participating in various Apache projects and Eclipse project out of Beijing location, I would like to help Bluesky project in terms of project communication and release. If I am qualified as a project mentor, I would volunteer myself to be a mentor for this project as well. Thanks, Bo On Jan 3, 2008 8:02 PM, Endre Stølsvik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Stoddard wrote: Incubator PMC, http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BlueSky This sounds like a really interesting project. I mean that in two ways: first, the project looks very worthwhile in itself, helping rural communities a couple of extra steps up the education ladder by way of high tech. Secondly, possibly even more important in the long term, having a Chinese initiated project at Apache would be a huge political win, setting precedents: Despite the vast amount of (talented) Chinese people, I feel that there are rather few widespread Chinese-initiated or -led open source software projects - at least I don't know of many (And if I'm making a fool of myself right there, then please give me a clue-by-four right now!). It would be a boon to the universe if this situation could be remedied as fast as possible. I actually have no doubt that this will happen sooner or later, but if Apache can make it happen sooner, possibly by helping just this project along the road to worldwide open source adoption, that would be a really great side-goal of this incubation. And yes - this would obviously have to happen in English. Acknowledging that Chinese is a HUGE language in terms of the number of people speaking it, it is still no world language in terms of the number of nationalities speaking it. This can present a problem for many Chinese, given that English education hasn't been, _as far as I understand_, a top priority in China until somewhat recently. Thus, to make this happen, there will probably have to be made some extra efforts on both sides. But this can, as mentioned, make a precedent - BlueSky will be an example of Chinese initiated, world wide developed and adopted, open source software - and I believe that the potential long term rewards, not only for this project, can be big. Endre, lurker. PS: Due to the scope of the project, localization to the native languages in the region of deployment, or the use of pictograms and similar, will of course be of huge importance. This focus is also shared with projects like Ubuntu and OLPC, as far as I understand - there might be interest in collaboration. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] publish Tika 0.1-incubating
On Friday 04 January 2008 07:08, ant elder wrote: Was going to say the Incubator disclaimer is missing in the artifacts but then found it in the README file, should probably move that to a separate DISCLAIMER file for later releases. I agree. +1 for this release, and note to developers to have a DISCLAIMER file separately in both source release and the META-INF dir of the binary. I am also curious to know how Andy's and Ryan's contributions came to be. Do we have any paper trail of this? Cheers -- Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [DISCUSSION] BlueSky Proposal
On Thursday 03 January 2008 07:09, Bill Stoddard wrote: Can the team meet the challenge? I think we should get going, and then resolve and evaluate these issues as part of incubation. Cheers -- Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] publish Tika 0.1-incubating
Hi, On Jan 4, 2008 5:31 AM, Niclas Hedhman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 for this release, and note to developers to have a DISCLAIMER file separately in both source release and the META-INF dir of the binary. Will do. On a related note, when and how did the DISCLAIMER file come to exist? I guess it's a legacy of Wicket, since that was the first time I recall seeing the file. To me it seems debatable whether the disclaimer is more prominent within the README file or in a separate DISCLAIMER file, but I'm OK to go with the latter if people prefer that. I am also curious to know how Andy's and Ryan's contributions came to be. Do we have any paper trail of this? The notice for Andy Clark was added for the NekoHTML [1] dependency (ALv2). The Tika codebase doesn't actually contain any of that code, just uses it as a dependency, so AFAIK the attribution in NOTICE wouldn't actually be needed. It got added [2] a while ago when we were considering a release bundle that contains all the dependencies. The notice was briefly questioned [3] and discussed [4] on tika-dev@ but so far no action was taken on it. The notice for Ryan Ackley is more substantial, as the Tika codebase contains a few classes (part of [5]) from his now-dormant textmining.org [6] codebase. Those classes found their way into Tika via the Nutch and Lius Lite codebases and their status was considered on tika-dev@ with Ryan on Cc [7]. [1] http://nekohtml.sourceforge.net/ [2] http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revrevision=584529 [3] http://markmail.org/message/p275f2s6bxgrfpml [4] http://markmail.org/message/izg7lnsw5bt3jbjs [5] http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/tika/trunk/src/main/java/org/apache/tika/parser/microsoft/ [6] http://www.textmining.org/ [7] http://markmail.org/message/dkofirlpsdrqhlsp BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
