RE: [PROPOSAL] Etch
I have heard the name concern a couple of times now... When we picked the name Etch about 18 months ago, we knew about the Debian release, but frankly we were unconcerned. Debian etch is the name of a release of Debian, no different than "4" being a release of Fedora. Eventually Debian etch will fade into memory just as sarge and woody have. Etch, in our line of thinking (if it could be said we were doing any thinking :-) ) was the name we were giving to the technology, not a release. There were no other technologies named Etch or similar, so we declared victory and moved on. So I guess my question back to everyone is this: What is the concern about the name Etch, really? 1. Is there a legal trademark issue or a formal Apache branding policy issue with using the name Etch such that the use of the name is simply not going to be allowed. - or - 2. Is there a concern that during incubation, we might have to be explicit in communication and always say "Apache Etch" rather than just "Etch" because of a fear that a reference to "Etch", taken out of context, could be confused with Debian 4.0? If "1" is true then, absolutely the name should be changed. But if only "2" is true, then I will need a bit more convincing. I am after all very, very lazy and changing the name of a working toolset is well... work :-) --- James Dixson Manager, Software Development CUAE Engineering, Cisco Systems Inc. Direct: 512-336-3305 Mobile: 512-968-2116 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Niklas Gustavsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 3:33 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Etch On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 6:16 PM, James Dixson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This a proposal to enter Etch in to the incubator. > > See http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/EtchProposal for updates. +1 for incubation (non-binding). While I find this area to be a bit overcrowded lately, having both Etch and Thrift at Apache and Protocol buffers under ASL 2.0 does offer some interesting opportunities for competition as well as cooperation. I do share the concerns about naming conflicts. Debian is by far more well known and trying to establish this project under a conflicting name would be hard. /niklas - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Accept project PicaGalley into the Incubator
IMO there is no need to revote on the name change. It is a technicality, and according to me an exit criterium, not an entry criterium. How about calling the project "Snapshot" (or Snapshots)? Apache Snapshot does have a ring to it, though it might be confusing as hell when you're deploying Snapshot snapshots to the Snapshot snapshot repository. Shutter also is funny: doing a Shutter release. Martijn On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Roland Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jukka Zitting wrote: >> >> I also think the names are too similar > > I have re-opened the naming discussion on [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Should we keep this vote running, or should we start a > new one after we settle for a different name? > > cheers, > Roland > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Become a Wicket expert, learn from the best: http://wicketinaction.com Apache Wicket 1.3.4 is released Get it now: http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/wicket/1.3. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] accept Tashi into the Incubator
+1 On Aug 4, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Doug Cutting wrote: Please vote on accepting Tashi into the Incubator. Tashi's proposal is at: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TashiProposal Thanks! Doug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Etch
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 6:16 PM, James Dixson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This a proposal to enter Etch in to the incubator. > > See http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/EtchProposal for updates. +1 for incubation (non-binding). While I find this area to be a bit overcrowded lately, having both Etch and Thrift at Apache and Protocol buffers under ASL 2.0 does offer some interesting opportunities for competition as well as cooperation. I do share the concerns about naming conflicts. Debian is by far more well known and trying to establish this project under a conflicting name would be hard. /niklas - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Accept project PicaGalley into the Incubator
I don't think the names PicaGalley and Picasa are similar at all. Pica is pronounced with a long "i" and stress on the "i". Picasa has a short "i" and stress on the first "a". So to me they don't even share "pica", which is a very common term in the printing/publishing industry. The name is nowhere close to a problem for me. Craig On Aug 5, 2008, at 8:09 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote: Hi, On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Roland Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm not sure how "similar" these names are, except for their starting with "pic-a", which is certainly not uncommon for software that is meant to handle pictures. But if others share your concern, I'm open for discussing other names. I also think the names are too similar, especially since the products have overlapping scopes. BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Craig L Russell Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [PROPOSAL] Etch
On 8/1/08, scott comer (sccomer) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > we might have overdone the committer list here a bit so nobody who made > a significant contribution felt left out. :-) Having a long committer list is not necessarily bad but projects which enter with a long list of which only a small number are enthusiastic and active often find incubation more challenging. For example, listing someone as a committer means they need to fill in the paperwork etc and subscribe to the lists. If people have made significant contributions and are enthusiastic then they will be an asset. If they aren't interested they the extra names may prove a burden. - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Accept project PicaGalley into the Incubator
Oops. Sorry: http://whatstoeatla.blogspot.com/2008/06/phoshowi-swear-i-didnt-make-it-up.html I was half kidding. I think "phoshizzle" is out too :( On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:16 PM, James Carman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How about "phoshow"? Photo/Show :) > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Roland Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Jukka Zitting wrote: >>> >>> I also think the names are too similar >> >> I have re-opened the naming discussion on [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Should we keep this vote running, or should we start a >> new one after we settle for a different name? >> >> cheers, >> Roland >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Accept project PicaGalley into the Incubator
How about "phoshow"? Photo/Show :) On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Roland Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jukka Zitting wrote: >> >> I also think the names are too similar > > I have re-opened the naming discussion on [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Should we keep this vote running, or should we start a > new one after we settle for a different name? > > cheers, > Roland > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache UIMA CasEditor-2.2.2-incubating
+1 (non-binding) On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jörn Kottmann wrote: >> >> please vote again to release the Cas Editor. The first vote was >> rejected, because the ICU license and notice was >> missing, this is now fixed, see UIMA-1115. > > +1 > -- > #kenP-)} > > Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/ > Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ > > "Millennium hand and shrimp!" > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Luciano Resende Apache Tuscany Committer http://people.apache.org/~lresende http://lresende.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Accept project PicaGalley into the Incubator
Jukka Zitting wrote: I also think the names are too similar I have re-opened the naming discussion on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Should we keep this vote running, or should we start a new one after we settle for a different name? cheers, Roland - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] accept Tashi into the Incubator
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Doug Cutting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please vote on accepting Tashi into the Incubator. > +1 Matthieu > > Tashi's proposal is at: > > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TashiProposal > > Thanks! > > Doug > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: [VOTE] Accept project PicaGalley into the Incubator
Hi, On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Roland Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not sure how "similar" these names are, > except for their starting with "pic-a", which > is certainly not uncommon for software that is > meant to handle pictures. But if others share > your concern, I'm open for discussing other > names. I also think the names are too similar, especially since the products have overlapping scopes. BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Accept project PicaGalley into the Incubator
Hello Will, Will Glass-Husain wrote: Is there a potential trademark issue with Google? I worry about the similarity in name to Picasa, especially given they both are web-based photo galleries. I wasn't aware of that. We came to the name of PicaGalley from "Piccadilly". A Google search didn't uncover anything except our own stuff, plus the suggestion "Did you mean: piccadilly". I'm not sure how "similar" these names are, except for their starting with "pic-a", which is certainly not uncommon for software that is meant to handle pictures. But if others share your concern, I'm open for discussing other names. (If only I could remember the one I thought of after we settled on PicaGalley...) cheers, Roland - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Etch
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 2:23 PM, scott comer (sccomer) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > we might have overdone the committer list here a bit so nobody who made a > significant contribution felt left out. :-) Perhaps something like a FAQ entry "What is the history of Etch?" on the web site would be a more appropriate way to recognize these? -Yonik - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Release Apache UIMA CasEditor-2.2.2-incubating
Jörn Kottmann wrote: please vote again to release the Cas Editor. The first vote was rejected, because the ICU license and notice was missing, this is now fixed, see UIMA-1115. +1 -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ "Millennium hand and shrimp!" - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Etch
Thank you for the support Yonik! -- james On 8/4/08 3:00 PM, "Yonik Seeley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've spent some time looking at the existing documentation, and > checking out the video introduction great stuff! I think it could > fit well in the ASF, and I have a personal interest in perhaps using > it for Solr 2.0. > > I'll certainly volunteer to be a Mentor. > > -Yonik > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:16 PM, James Dixson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> This a proposal to enter Etch in to the incubator. >> >> See http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/EtchProposal for updates. >> >> In particular, we are looking for an interested Champion. >> >> We welcome any and all comments. :-) > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- James Dixson Manager, Software Development CUAE Engineering, Cisco Systems (e) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (p) 512-336-3305 (m) 512-968-2116 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
