please re-generate website after updating podling status pages

2008-12-03 Thread David Crossley
> Author: twgoetz
> Date: Wed Dec  3 02:10:44 2008
> New Revision: 722831
> 
> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=722831&view=rev
> Log:
> Update status: new committers Tong and Jerry
> 
> Modified:
> incubator/public/trunk/site-author/projects/uima.xml

People seem to be forgetting to re-generate the web site
after updating source docs.

See instructions here:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html#Project+Status+Updates

Anyway, i followed up today for UIMA.

-David

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Re: [VOTE] [RESULT] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator

2008-12-03 Thread David Crossley
Darren Hague wrote:
> As there have been 8 positive votes with no negative votes, I would like 
> to declare the vote PASSED.
> 
> Votes were received from the following people:
> * Bertrand Delacretaz
> * Craig L Russell
>  Daniel Kulp
> * Davanum Srinivas
> * Ian Holsman
> * J Aaron Farr
> * Robert Burrell Donkin
> * Sylvain Wallez
> 
> Those marked with * are binding votes - please correct me if I am wrong.

Plus Daniel Kulp.

So welcome to ESME.

The next steps are listed here:
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Process_Description.html#Acceptance
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Acceptance+By+Incubator
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/mentor.html

I have done the first step for you,
i.e. added to http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ReportingSchedule
As you are entering very close to report time,
i made your first report in January. However if
you want to report in December then add yourself
to http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/December2008

-David

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[Important] Podling board reports due December 10

2008-12-03 Thread David Crossley
These reports are due at the wiki page by 10 December 2008
so that the Incubator PMC can relay them to the board.

See http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/December2008

There is one other project that is recently accepted:
ESME
You can still report this month if you want to.

-David



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Re: Keeping IPMC Membership Up To Date [WAS Re: [VOTE] [RESULT] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator]

2008-12-03 Thread David Crossley
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
> Daniel Kulp wrote:
> > David Crossley wrote:
> >>
> >> You asked earlier how to find out who is on Incubator PMC
> >> and hence binding votes:
> >> http://people.apache.org/~jim/projects.html#incubator-pmc
> 
> cool  (i didn't realise this existed)

Yes, very useful. The Clutch table links directly to
each project's group from "column J: numberCommitters".

There is also his "committers.html". That is also useful
for people without svn karma to check whether incoming CLAs
are recorded.

-David

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Re: Keeping IPMC Membership Up To Date [WAS Re: [VOTE] [RESULT] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator]

2008-12-03 Thread David Crossley
Craig L Russell wrote:
> Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
> >Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> >>Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
> >>
> >>>...IIRC (and it's been a while) any member can alter the paperwork  
> >>>once
> >>>there's been a board ACK. can anyone from boardland confirm or deny
> >>>this?...
> >>
> >>I think that's fine, as long as the appropriate lists are kept up  
> >>to date.
> >>
> >>But maybe we should designate some official volunteers ("Incubator
> >>sheperds") to help the PMC chair for such tasks? The Incubator is a
> >>big thing today, having a defined way of sharing the load might help.
> >
> >+1
> >
> >responsiveness can be crucial in maintaining momentum
> >
> >>I'd suggest electing 3-4 volunteers for that.
> >
> >+1

Good idea. However any IPMC member with the karma
should be able to just jump in and do it.

There are a couple of other tasks that have been
splipping through the cracks too:

Creating the wiki report schedule page at the beginning
of each month, and adding new projects to the main
ReportingSchedule page. I will go and do that now.

-David

> I've been monitoring this kind of stuff for a while. In many cases,  
> new folks don't know their own karma.
> 
> The *only thing* I won't do is ask the board for an ack for a member.  
> Have to have something for the PMC chair to do. ;-)
> 
> Craig

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Re: Clutch color coding

2008-12-03 Thread David Crossley
Tim Williams wrote:
> 
> Hi David,

Nice to hear from you Tim.

> I suppose you can't please everyone, but the red/green colors in this
> version are difficult to distinguish - colorblind.  It would help to
> find a shade of green with lighter/darker tone (e.g. 33cc66)?  Anyway,
> my nit-picky 2cents.

That is a very important point.

A quick search found these:
http://www.disabled-world.com/artman/publish/color-spectrum-chart.shtml
http://www.etre.com/tools/colourblindsimulator/

I will refine the colours today. Thanks for your help.

-David

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Re: Clutch color coding

2008-12-03 Thread David Crossley
Martijn Dashorst wrote:
> IMO they can remain too close or the same. There is no difference in
> attention for t<3 or 18 Martijn
> 
> Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> > David Crossley wrote:
> >> David Crossley wrote:
> >>
> >> ...I am happy with the result.
> >> See http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html
> >> after the next publishing rsync
> >
> > What I'm seeing there is like
> > http://people.apache.org/~crossley/temp/clutch-care.png so I assume
> > the sync is done?
> >
> > If that's the case, note that the <3 and <24 colors at the top are the
> > same, or too close IMHO.
> >
> > -Bertrand

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Re: Continuous Build environment?

2008-12-03 Thread scott comer (sccomer)
ok, i've asked rene to take this over and move with it. etch people 
would need access
to continuum or hudson. is there a short answer to what's the diff 
between the two?


our needs are modest. we have an ant based build and a few external 
dependences.
windows is our current build environment as we need .net and .net sdk 
resources,
visual studio bits, as well as specific versions of ant, ant.net, jdk, 
nunit, junit, velocity,

and clover.

my goal would be to begin working on this in a 1-2 weeks time frame, and 
have the
builds going asap for 1.0.2 integration and testing. i can make do with 
our internal
build for now, so it isn't a crisis, but i would like this process to 
become more transparent.


is possible / practical?

thanks,
scott out

Niclas Hedhman wrote:

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Brett Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

As others mentioned just drop a request into the INFRA JIRA, and
whether you want to use Continuum or Hudson.

Continuum currently runs on Linux - I'm currently investigating
setting up a Windows server for the same. Hudson runs on Solaris but
I'm sure it could farm builds out to either of those as well if that
was set up.



Thanks. We will discuss that further and get back when we are getting there.


Cheers
Niclas

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Re: Keeping IPMC Membership Up To Date [WAS Re: [VOTE] [RESULT] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator]

2008-12-03 Thread Upayavira
On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 11:25 +0100, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > ...IIRC (and it's been a while) any member can alter the paperwork once
> > there's been a board ACK. can anyone from boardland confirm or deny
> > this?...
> 
> I think that's fine, as long as the appropriate lists are kept up to date.
> 
> But maybe we should designate some official volunteers ("Incubator
> sheperds") to help the PMC chair for such tasks? The Incubator is a
> big thing today, having a defined way of sharing the load might help.
> 
> I'd suggest electing 3-4 volunteers for that.

I think that sounds like a good idea, and I'd volunteer if needed.

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Re: Keeping IPMC Membership Up To Date [WAS Re: [VOTE] [RESULT] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator]

2008-12-03 Thread Craig L Russell


On Dec 3, 2008, at 2:38 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:


On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

...IIRC (and it's been a while) any member can alter the paperwork  
once

there's been a board ACK. can anyone from boardland confirm or deny
this?...


I think that's fine, as long as the appropriate lists are kept up  
to date.


But maybe we should designate some official volunteers ("Incubator
sheperds") to help the PMC chair for such tasks? The Incubator is a
big thing today, having a defined way of sharing the load might help.


+1

responsiveness can be crucial in maintaining momentum


I'd suggest electing 3-4 volunteers for that.


+1


I've been monitoring this kind of stuff for a while. In many cases,  
new folks don't know their own karma.


The *only thing* I won't do is ask the board for an ack for a member.  
Have to have something for the PMC chair to do. ;-)


Craig



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RE: POLOKA proposal in context of existing Apache projects

2008-12-03 Thread Mankovskii, Serge
Hello Sanjiva

Following your suggestion I have sent a request to champion the POLOKA
project to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I am not sure what the next step will be because, obviously, I cannot
subscribe to the private lists.

Cheers
Serge


-Original Message-
From: Sanjiva Weerawarana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 4:56 PM
To: Mankovskii, Serge
Cc: general@incubator.apache.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: POLOKA proposal in context of existing Apache projects

Hi Serge,

Sorry to not have recognized the name .. small world eh? :-).

OK now I understand the project - I've been long advocating universities

to participate in open source as I see universities as our research 
division! That's the way we can beat any corporate research division
;-).

I'm happy to mentor it and champion it. However, let me try to find 
another champion though just because of practical time issues ..

In terms of sponsor- if you want the WS PMC to sponsor it then you need
to 
make the request to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternatively, we can ask the

Incubator PMC to sponsor it .. IMO that's easier and that sort of gives 
you more flexibility in deciding your final ASF home upon graduation.

Sanjiva.

Mankovskii, Serge wrote:
> Hi Sanjiva,
> 
> It is great to hear from you! I think we've met during EDCIS 2002 in
> Beijing. Arno Jacobsen was there too. It looks like you know Peter
> Niblett for a while as well!
> 
> It looks like at the movement that we are not able to secure a member
of
> Apache that would Champion and Sponsor us. I think we need to ask PMC
to
> do that. Can you help us there?
> 
> Yes, there is code, and a lot of it. But the code is focused on the
> pub/sub matching, messaging, and federation. It does not use any of WS
> stack at the moment and it does not follow any standards. We are going
> to release this code and then work it into the standards stack. It
will
> bring results of six year research into the open source in a way that
> everybody would be able to use it. 
> 
> Reference Implementation means that within the project there will be
it
> will be a distribution that would contain all that WS-N stack requires
> and no more or no less than that. To accomplish this objective within
> MUSE without totally re-implementing it might be a problem. 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Serge
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Sanjiva Weerawarana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 10:45 PM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: Mankovskii, Serge; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: POLOKA proposal in context of existing Apache projects
> 
> Deepal, that's cart before the horse .. this project needs to get to 
> graduation first :).
> 
> Serge, are you asking for the WS PMC to sponsor this project for
> incubation?
> 
> If so, how does this relate to the WS-Notification impl we already
have
> on 
> top of Axis2? (Muse?) Having one by no means does not mean there can't
> be 
> another; just trying to understand the relationship.
> 
> Is there code already developed that you're looking to contribute to
the
> 
> ASF? Or are you proposing to write new code?? The first line of the 
> proposal starts with "Poloka will be a standalone reference
> implementation 
> ..". Later text suggests there's working code, but if there is no
> working 
> code the right model is to join the existing community and build on
that
> 
> codebase.
> 
> What does "reference implementation" mean?
> 
> [Hi Peter (Niblett)! Long time :) ..]
> 
> Sanjiva.
> 
> Deepal jayasinghe wrote:
>> I think we can keep this as the same level as Sandesha and Ramparrt.
I
>> mean we do not have any modules  other than core stuff under Axis2.
>>
>> Deepal
>>> Serge,
>>>
>>> Unfortunately i won't be able to help much at this time due to time
>>> pressures. Hopefully one of my fellow PMC members may be interested
> in
>>> moving this forward. Best Wishes.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> dims
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Mankovskii, Serge
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>   
 Hi Davanum,



 In our search for a Champion and Sponsor for the Poloka proposal
 http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PolokaProposal We looked into the
> Savan,
 ServiceMix, Axis2, and MUSE projects.



 We find that it makes most sense, so far, to have Poloka as a
> project under
 Axis2. It also makes sense to go into the ServiceMix, that
> implements
 WS-Notification already, but objectives of ServiceMix and POLOKA
are
 somewhat different in respect to POLOKA goal to provide a
> stand-alone
 reference implementation of the spec. Bringing entire ServiceMix in
> the
 picture might be too much. However ServiceMix could benefit from
the
> POLOKA
 work in the future.



 Poloka (http://poloka.org) could create an Axis2 module
implementing
 handlers creating a messaging net

Re: [VOTE] [RESULT] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator

2008-12-03 Thread Daniel Kulp
On Wednesday 03 December 2008 10:30:39 am Craig L Russell wrote:
> Hi Dan,
>
> As PMC chair, you should have the karma to update this information
> yourself.

Yea, but "policy" kind of states that only the PMC chair of the project should 
be updating their parts unless the PMC chair is busy/missing.  I had sent a 
note to Noel a couple weeks ago to remind him, but with holidays and such, I 
didn't really expect to hear much.  Basically, I want to give him a chance to 
not be "missing" before I overstepped the policy and did that.

That said, I agree with Robert and that for the Incubator, it's probably good 
to have a few people helping Noel out.   The Incubator is huge.   

Dan


>
> Craig
>
> On Dec 2, 2008, at 6:20 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote:
> > On Tuesday 02 December 2008 6:17:18 pm David Crossley wrote:
> >> Darren Hague wrote:
> >>> As there have been 8 positive votes with no negative votes, I
> >>> would like
> >>> to declare the vote PASSED.
> >>>
> >>> Votes were received from the following people:
> >>> * Bertrand Delacretaz
> >>> * Craig L Russell
> >>> Daniel Kulp
> >>> * Davanum Srinivas
> >>> * Ian Holsman
> >>> * J Aaron Farr
> >>> * Robert Burrell Donkin
> >>> * Sylvain Wallez
> >>>
> >>> Those marked with * are binding votes - please correct me if I am
> >>> wrong.
> >>
> >> I have not checked.
> >>
> >> You asked earlier how to find out who is on Incubator PMC
> >> and hence binding votes:
> >> http://people.apache.org/~jim/projects.html#incubator-pmc
> >
> > Except Noel has been very bad lately about updating the committe-
> > info that is
> > used to generate this list.   For example, I SHOULD be listed (and
> > thus my
> > vote binding) since the board did Ack the request to add me, but
> > I've not yet
> > been added.   Kind of particularly bad now that I'm a mentor on two
> > podlings,
> > but according to that page, my mentor vote wouldn't even be
> > binding.  :-(
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >> We should add that to the Incubator process docs.
> >>
> >> -David
> >>
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Re: [VOTE] [RESULT] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator

2008-12-03 Thread Craig L Russell

Hi Dan,

As PMC chair, you should have the karma to update this information  
yourself.


Craig

On Dec 2, 2008, at 6:20 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote:


On Tuesday 02 December 2008 6:17:18 pm David Crossley wrote:

Darren Hague wrote:
As there have been 8 positive votes with no negative votes, I  
would like

to declare the vote PASSED.

Votes were received from the following people:
* Bertrand Delacretaz
* Craig L Russell
Daniel Kulp
* Davanum Srinivas
* Ian Holsman
* J Aaron Farr
* Robert Burrell Donkin
* Sylvain Wallez

Those marked with * are binding votes - please correct me if I am  
wrong.


I have not checked.

You asked earlier how to find out who is on Incubator PMC
and hence binding votes:
http://people.apache.org/~jim/projects.html#incubator-pmc


Except Noel has been very bad lately about updating the committe- 
info that is
used to generate this list.   For example, I SHOULD be listed (and  
thus my
vote binding) since the board did Ack the request to add me, but  
I've not yet
been added.   Kind of particularly bad now that I'm a mentor on two  
podlings,
but according to that page, my mentor vote wouldn't even be  
binding.  :-(


Dan



We should add that to the Incubator process docs.

-David

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Re: Clutch color coding

2008-12-03 Thread Martijn Dashorst
IMO they can remain too close or the same. There is no difference in
attention for t<3 or 18 wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 8:30 AM, David Crossley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> David Crossley wrote:
>> ...I am happy with the result.
>> See http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html
>> after the next publishing rsync
>
> What I'm seeing there is like
> http://people.apache.org/~crossley/temp/clutch-care.png so I assume
> the sync is done?
>
> If that's the case, note that the <3 and <24 colors at the top are the
> same, or too close IMHO.
>
> -Bertrand
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Re: Clutch color coding

2008-12-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 8:30 AM, David Crossley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> David Crossley wrote:
> ...I am happy with the result.
> See http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html
> after the next publishing rsync

What I'm seeing there is like
http://people.apache.org/~crossley/temp/clutch-care.png so I assume
the sync is done?

If that's the case, note that the <3 and <24 colors at the top are the
same, or too close IMHO.

-Bertrand

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Re: Clutch color coding

2008-12-03 Thread Tim Williams
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:30 AM, David Crossley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> David Crossley wrote:
>> Martijn Dashorst wrote:
>> >
>> > Clutch is an invaluable tool, but with some coloring issues according
>> > to me: the current coloring schema is not well suited to alert me, or
>> > they alert me at the wrong moment, or don't alert me when things get
>> > out of shape.
>>
>> ...
>> Anyway, i will attempt to change to such new colours,
>> yet still retain the encouragement.
>
> I am happy with the result.
> See http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html
> after the next publishing rsync.
>
> There are some screenshots for comparison.
> http://people.apache.org/~crossley/temp/

Hi David,
I suppose you can't please everyone, but the red/green colors in this
version are difficult to distinguish - colorblind.  It would help to
find a shade of green with lighter/darker tone (e.g. 33cc66)?  Anyway,
my nit-picky 2cents.

--tim

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Re: Keeping IPMC Membership Up To Date [WAS Re: [VOTE] [RESULT] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator]

2008-12-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> ...IIRC (and it's been a while) any member can alter the paperwork once
>> there's been a board ACK. can anyone from boardland confirm or deny
>> this?...
>
> I think that's fine, as long as the appropriate lists are kept up to date.
>
> But maybe we should designate some official volunteers ("Incubator
> sheperds") to help the PMC chair for such tasks? The Incubator is a
> big thing today, having a defined way of sharing the load might help.

+1

responsiveness can be crucial in maintaining momentum

> I'd suggest electing 3-4 volunteers for that.

+1

- robert

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Re: Keeping IPMC Membership Up To Date [WAS Re: [VOTE] [RESULT] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator]

2008-12-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> ...IIRC (and it's been a while) any member can alter the paperwork once
> there's been a board ACK. can anyone from boardland confirm or deny
> this?...

I think that's fine, as long as the appropriate lists are kept up to date.

But maybe we should designate some official volunteers ("Incubator
sheperds") to help the PMC chair for such tasks? The Incubator is a
big thing today, having a defined way of sharing the load might help.

I'd suggest electing 3-4 volunteers for that.

-Bertrand

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Keeping IPMC Membership Up To Date [WAS Re: [VOTE] [RESULT] Accept ESME into the Apache Incubator]

2008-12-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:20 AM, Daniel Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tuesday 02 December 2008 6:17:18 pm David Crossley wrote:
>> Darren Hague wrote:
>> > As there have been 8 positive votes with no negative votes, I would like
>> > to declare the vote PASSED.
>> >
>> > Votes were received from the following people:
>> > * Bertrand Delacretaz
>> > * Craig L Russell
>> >  Daniel Kulp
>> > * Davanum Srinivas
>> > * Ian Holsman
>> > * J Aaron Farr
>> > * Robert Burrell Donkin
>> > * Sylvain Wallez
>> >
>> > Those marked with * are binding votes - please correct me if I am wrong.
>>
>> I have not checked.
>>
>> You asked earlier how to find out who is on Incubator PMC
>> and hence binding votes:
>> http://people.apache.org/~jim/projects.html#incubator-pmc

cool  (i didn't realise this existed)

> Except Noel has been very bad lately about updating the committe-info that is
> used to generate this list.   For example, I SHOULD be listed (and thus my
> vote binding) since the board did Ack the request to add me, but I've not yet
> been added.   Kind of particularly bad now that I'm a mentor on two podlings,
> but according to that page, my mentor vote wouldn't even be binding.  :-(

noel's been a bit busy recently...

IIRC (and it's been a while) any member can alter the paperwork once
there's been a board ACK. can anyone from boardland confirm or deny
this?

- robert

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