Re: Podling binding votes
Hi, On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.com wrote: ...Whose votes are binding for releases on the podlings dev list?... Technically as Ross says, only votes from Incubator PMC members are binding as far as the ASF is concerned. What matters is getting 3 such binding votes, so that the release is an act of the Incubator PMC. IMO the rest is more social/educational. For the initial vote on the podling dev list I don't care too much whether voters are PPMC members or not, what's important is for the podling to establish consensus on asking the Incubator PMC to approve the release. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Podling binding votes
The PPMC is not, and never has been, a formally recognized part of our structure. But as I said that's a technicality in this context, the project (PPMC) are the people who really matter from the projects perspective, even though their votes are not binding. The thread seems to be in agreement in response to Justin's specific question. On 25 Jul 2014 01:20, John D. Ament john.d.am...@gmail.com wrote: Ross, The incubator website would be inclined to disagree, and seems to acknowledge there is formally a PPMC at [1]. Justin, I think formally, if you review [2] (you may also want to scroll down, and review later parts of this page on voting), you'll see that the PPMC votes really don't count for anything other than merit. The IPMC vote is what really counts. If you follow that page verbatim, the votes by the IPMC are the only ones that count. If you follow the alternative voting method, found at [3], you'll see that votes via PPMC are acceptable if and only if the IPMC has agreed to such. [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html [2]: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#best-practice-incubator-release-vote [3]: http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Releases On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: There is no formal PPMC. When a podling is created all initial committers are equal. I guess some podlings might create the concept of a separate PPMC during incubation. I've never advised that in my own podlings (probably because I'm a believer in an absolute minimum barrier to entry). I guess it's up to individual projects and mentors just as our top level projects can decide if the PMC is the whole set or a subset of the committers On 25 Jul 2014 00:33, Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.com wrote: Hi, As a mentor I've (nearly) always advised that if there are three IPMC votes on the dev list then there is no need to make further noise on the general list with unnecessary +1's. I therefore point out in the general@ vote mail that 3 binding (IPMC) +1's have been received and therefore there is only a need to vote if there is an objection. Fair enough + seem reasonable to me. TECHNICALITY: PPMC votes are not binding (although they absolutely should be considered as such by the project). Only IPMC votes are considered binding at the foundational level since PPMC members are not yet a member of a formal committee. You need 3 +1 votes first on the podlings dev list, and PPMC votes do count there, we wouldn't see a lot of podling releases otherwise. :-) Does that mean any +1 vote (say by a committer or user) on the dev list also counts if PPMC votes aren't actually considered binding? (I'd assume not but again it's not clear from the document). Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Podling binding votes
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: ...the project (PPMC) are the people who really matter from the projects perspective, even though their votes are not binding Yeah, a good summary might be that the podling PPMC (+community) establishes consensus about releasing, and the Incubator PMC members make the release an act of the ASF. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
[VOTE] Release Apache DeviceMap BrowserMap version 1.4.1
Hi, The Apache DeviceMap [0] podling project has started preparing releases for our modules. Reza has already sent out the [VOTE] email for the Java modules [1]. I'm responsible for releasing a client side module for this project - BrowserMap. We voted on our project's list [2] for these release artifacts and got four +1, out of which two are from Incubator's PMC members Bertrand Delacretaz and Kevan Miller. Please see the release details below. # Staging URL: https://people.apache.org/~radu/browsermap/ The project's keys file is available at: https://people.apache.org/keys/group/devicemap.asc In case you need to import the keys, after downloading the keys file, run the following command: gpg --import devicemap.asc You can use this UNIX script to download the release and verify the signatures: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/devicemap/trunk/check_staged_release.sh Usage: sh check_staged_release.sh https://people.apache.org/~radu/browsermap/ An Apache Creadur Rat exclude file is provided at http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/devicemap/trunk/browsermap/trunk/rat.exclude . To check the licensing compliance you could run the following command after expanding the browsermap-1.4.1-rc2-incubating.tar.gz archive: java -jar apache-rat.jar -E browsermap-1.4.1-incubating/rat.exclude -d browsermap-1.4.1-incubating The current artifacts correspond to tag http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/devicemap/trunk/browsermap/tags/browsermap-1.4.1-rc2/ . Once the release is approved we have to: 1. tag the release under https://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/devicemap/tags/releases/browsermap-1.4.1 2. upload the artifacts to the dist location Please vote to approve this release: [ ] +1 Approve the release [ ] 0 Don't care [ ] -1 Don't release, because ... Regards, Radu [0] - http://incubator.apache.org/devicemap/ [1] - http://incubator.markmail.org/thread/wh4mr4nqclvhctee [2] - http://devicemap.markmail.org/thread/ykuggrnvsv6bwfyq
[RESULT][VOTE][IP CLEARANCE] Sling Query contribution
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: Apache Sling has received the donation of a repository traversal module. See http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/sling-query.html for details. Please vote to approve this contribution The vote passes by lazy consensus, thanks! -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Podling binding votes
This is conflicting from what the site said about governance of podling. PPMC is a part of podling and responsible to manage the podling on behalf of IPMC. I suppose you meant that their votes do not bind but saying it was never part of the structure is misleading or we need to update the ASF website about incubator roles page. On Friday, July 25, 2014, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: The PPMC is not, and never has been, a formally recognized part of our structure. But as I said that's a technicality in this context, the project (PPMC) are the people who really matter from the projects perspective, even though their votes are not binding. The thread seems to be in agreement in response to Justin's specific question. On 25 Jul 2014 01:20, John D. Ament john.d.am...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: Ross, The incubator website would be inclined to disagree, and seems to acknowledge there is formally a PPMC at [1]. Justin, I think formally, if you review [2] (you may also want to scroll down, and review later parts of this page on voting), you'll see that the PPMC votes really don't count for anything other than merit. The IPMC vote is what really counts. If you follow that page verbatim, the votes by the IPMC are the only ones that count. If you follow the alternative voting method, found at [3], you'll see that votes via PPMC are acceptable if and only if the IPMC has agreed to such. [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html [2]: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#best-practice-incubator-release-vote [3]: http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Releases On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com javascript:; wrote: There is no formal PPMC. When a podling is created all initial committers are equal. I guess some podlings might create the concept of a separate PPMC during incubation. I've never advised that in my own podlings (probably because I'm a believer in an absolute minimum barrier to entry). I guess it's up to individual projects and mentors just as our top level projects can decide if the PMC is the whole set or a subset of the committers On 25 Jul 2014 00:33, Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.com javascript:; wrote: Hi, As a mentor I've (nearly) always advised that if there are three IPMC votes on the dev list then there is no need to make further noise on the general list with unnecessary +1's. I therefore point out in the general@ vote mail that 3 binding (IPMC) +1's have been received and therefore there is only a need to vote if there is an objection. Fair enough + seem reasonable to me. TECHNICALITY: PPMC votes are not binding (although they absolutely should be considered as such by the project). Only IPMC votes are considered binding at the foundational level since PPMC members are not yet a member of a formal committee. You need 3 +1 votes first on the podlings dev list, and PPMC votes do count there, we wouldn't see a lot of podling releases otherwise. :-) Does that mean any +1 vote (say by a committer or user) on the dev list also counts if PPMC votes aren't actually considered binding? (I'd assume not but again it's not clear from the document). Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org javascript:; For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org javascript:;
Re: Podling binding votes
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Henry Saputra henry.sapu...@gmail.com wrote: This is conflicting from what the site said about governance of podling. PPMC is a part of podling and responsible to manage the podling on behalf of IPMC. I suppose you meant that their votes do not bind but saying it was never part of the structure is misleading or we need to update the ASF website about incubator roles page. The conflicting bit is how you two are resolving the pronoun our in Ross' statement below the PPMC is not a formal part of the ASF's formal structure the PPMC is a formal part of the IPMC's internal organization. --tim On Friday, July 25, 2014, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: The PPMC is not, and never has been, a formally recognized part of our structure. But as I said that's a technicality in this context, the project (PPMC) are the people who really matter from the projects perspective, even though their votes are not binding. The thread seems to be in agreement in response to Justin's specific question. On 25 Jul 2014 01:20, John D. Ament john.d.am...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: Ross, The incubator website would be inclined to disagree, and seems to acknowledge there is formally a PPMC at [1]. Justin, I think formally, if you review [2] (you may also want to scroll down, and review later parts of this page on voting), you'll see that the PPMC votes really don't count for anything other than merit. The IPMC vote is what really counts. If you follow that page verbatim, the votes by the IPMC are the only ones that count. If you follow the alternative voting method, found at [3], you'll see that votes via PPMC are acceptable if and only if the IPMC has agreed to such. [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html [2]: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#best-practice-incubator-release-vote [3]: http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Releases On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com javascript:; wrote: There is no formal PPMC. When a podling is created all initial committers are equal. I guess some podlings might create the concept of a separate PPMC during incubation. I've never advised that in my own podlings (probably because I'm a believer in an absolute minimum barrier to entry). I guess it's up to individual projects and mentors just as our top level projects can decide if the PMC is the whole set or a subset of the committers On 25 Jul 2014 00:33, Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.com javascript:; wrote: Hi, As a mentor I've (nearly) always advised that if there are three IPMC votes on the dev list then there is no need to make further noise on the general list with unnecessary +1's. I therefore point out in the general@ vote mail that 3 binding (IPMC) +1's have been received and therefore there is only a need to vote if there is an objection. Fair enough + seem reasonable to me. TECHNICALITY: PPMC votes are not binding (although they absolutely should be considered as such by the project). Only IPMC votes are considered binding at the foundational level since PPMC members are not yet a member of a formal committee. You need 3 +1 votes first on the podlings dev list, and PPMC votes do count there, we wouldn't see a lot of podling releases otherwise. :-) Does that mean any +1 vote (say by a committer or user) on the dev list also counts if PPMC votes aren't actually considered binding? (I'd assume not but again it's not clear from the document). Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org javascript:; For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org javascript:; - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Podling binding votes
Touché :) On Friday, July 25, 2014, Tim Williams william...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Henry Saputra henry.sapu...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: This is conflicting from what the site said about governance of podling. PPMC is a part of podling and responsible to manage the podling on behalf of IPMC. I suppose you meant that their votes do not bind but saying it was never part of the structure is misleading or we need to update the ASF website about incubator roles page. The conflicting bit is how you two are resolving the pronoun our in Ross' statement below the PPMC is not a formal part of the ASF's formal structure the PPMC is a formal part of the IPMC's internal organization. --tim On Friday, July 25, 2014, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com javascript:; wrote: The PPMC is not, and never has been, a formally recognized part of our structure. But as I said that's a technicality in this context, the project (PPMC) are the people who really matter from the projects perspective, even though their votes are not binding. The thread seems to be in agreement in response to Justin's specific question. On 25 Jul 2014 01:20, John D. Ament john.d.am...@gmail.com javascript:; javascript:; wrote: Ross, The incubator website would be inclined to disagree, and seems to acknowledge there is formally a PPMC at [1]. Justin, I think formally, if you review [2] (you may also want to scroll down, and review later parts of this page on voting), you'll see that the PPMC votes really don't count for anything other than merit. The IPMC vote is what really counts. If you follow that page verbatim, the votes by the IPMC are the only ones that count. If you follow the alternative voting method, found at [3], you'll see that votes via PPMC are acceptable if and only if the IPMC has agreed to such. [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html [2]: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#best-practice-incubator-release-vote [3]: http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Releases On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com javascript:; javascript:; wrote: There is no formal PPMC. When a podling is created all initial committers are equal. I guess some podlings might create the concept of a separate PPMC during incubation. I've never advised that in my own podlings (probably because I'm a believer in an absolute minimum barrier to entry). I guess it's up to individual projects and mentors just as our top level projects can decide if the PMC is the whole set or a subset of the committers On 25 Jul 2014 00:33, Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.com javascript:; javascript:; wrote: Hi, As a mentor I've (nearly) always advised that if there are three IPMC votes on the dev list then there is no need to make further noise on the general list with unnecessary +1's. I therefore point out in the general@ vote mail that 3 binding (IPMC) +1's have been received and therefore there is only a need to vote if there is an objection. Fair enough + seem reasonable to me. TECHNICALITY: PPMC votes are not binding (although they absolutely should be considered as such by the project). Only IPMC votes are considered binding at the foundational level since PPMC members are not yet a member of a formal committee. You need 3 +1 votes first on the podlings dev list, and PPMC votes do count there, we wouldn't see a lot of podling releases otherwise. :-) Does that mean any +1 vote (say by a committer or user) on the dev list also counts if PPMC votes aren't actually considered binding? (I'd assume not but again it's not clear from the document). Thanks, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org javascript:; javascript:; For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org javascript:; javascript:; - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org javascript:; For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org javascript:;
