Re: [DISCUSS] Commons RDF to join the Apache Incubator

2015-02-11 Thread Lewis John Mcgibbney
Hi Folks,

On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 2:03 AM, general-digest-h...@incubator.apache.org
wrote:


 ATTENTION IPMC!  If anybody is out there wants a low-stress Mentoring gig,
 this is it.  And if you're an RDF neutral outsider, you'll be helping
 this project to achieve its goals, just by showing up.

 I've added myself a potentially a Champion for the Commons RDF. I've also
added Apache Any23 as a potential sponsoring entity.
For context, Any23 was sponsored through the incubator by Apache Tika. Upom
graduation, Any23 then then came to be a TLP.
I would be very willing to see Commons RDF through the incubator and would
appreciate if people consider me for both Champion and for Any23 as a
sponsoring entity (if one is required).
Best
Lewis


Re: [DISCUSS] Commons RDF to join the Apache Incubator

2015-02-11 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
+1 while I can’t commit to mentoring, I will be actively
and eagerly watching this. Good work guys.

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-Original Message-
From: Lewis John Mcgibbney lewis.mcgibb...@gmail.com
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Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 8:51 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Commons RDF to join the Apache Incubator

Hi Folks,

On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 2:03 AM,
general-digest-h...@incubator.apache.org
wrote:


 ATTENTION IPMC!  If anybody is out there wants a low-stress Mentoring
gig,
 this is it.  And if you're an RDF neutral outsider, you'll be helping
 this project to achieve its goals, just by showing up.

 I've added myself a potentially a Champion for the Commons RDF. I've
also
added Apache Any23 as a potential sponsoring entity.
For context, Any23 was sponsored through the incubator by Apache Tika.
Upom
graduation, Any23 then then came to be a TLP.
I would be very willing to see Commons RDF through the incubator and would
appreciate if people consider me for both Champion and for Any23 as a
sponsoring entity (if one is required).
Best
Lewis



Re: [DISCUSS] Commons RDF to join the Apache Incubator

2015-02-11 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Lewis John Mcgibbney
lewis.mcgibb...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've added myself a potentially a Champion for the Commons RDF. I've also
 added Apache Any23 as a potential sponsoring entity.
 For context, Any23 was sponsored through the incubator by Apache Tika. Upom
 graduation, Any23 then then came to be a TLP.
 I would be very willing to see Commons RDF through the incubator and would
 appreciate if people consider me for both Champion and for Any23 as a
 sponsoring entity (if one is required).

Awesome!

These days, the Sponsoring Entity is rarely anything other than the Incubator.
It means that a TLP other than the Incubator has voted to take charge of
incubating the project, supervising mentoring and monitoring progress.

http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html#template-sponsoring-entity

If the Any23 PMC has such plans, let's talk -- otherwise, it's great to
see this proposal receive support from members of the Any23 community!

There is some question as to whether you're also signing on to be a Mentor in
addition to taking the Champion role, Lewis.  The proposal wiki page changed
several times this morning but currently lists you as both.  What's your
status?

I feel like one more formal Incubator Mentor besides Rob Vesse would make this
a very strong proposal.  Rob is extremely capable, but a first-time Mentor
shouldn't have to be the only one listed and the community has related that
giving outsiders formal roles will help them in their outreach to other RDF
projects.

This is going to be a fun and easy job.  Sergio is deeply committed, Andy is one
of the IPMC's best, Benedikt has signed on to represent Commons, and the
sophistication of the emails in this thread speaks for itself.  Who's in?

Marvin Humphrey

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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Slider 0.61.0-incubating

2015-02-11 Thread Steve Loughran


After a quick email exchange with our mentors, I'm going to publish the 
0.61.0-incubating release as voted through, with the 0.7x release process to 
begin shortly —the latter to address all licensing inconsistencies in .py 
dependencies.

Announcement to follow.

-Steve


[RESULT][VOTE] Apache Slider 0.61.0-incubating

2015-02-11 Thread Steve Loughran

The Slider 0.61.0-incubating vote is complete. This is a re-release
of the 0.60.0-incubating source tree along with the POM files enhancements
needed to publish the binary artifacts to a maven repository; as a convenience
these artifacts will now be published to the central repository.

The VOTE passes with 4 +1 votes from IPMC.

  Jean-Baptiste Onofré +1 (binding)
  Jakob Homan +1 (binding)
  Steve Loughran  +1 (binding)
  Billie Rinaldi +1 (binding)

-Steve


Re: [DISCUSS] Commons RDF to join the Apache Incubator

2015-02-11 Thread Sergio Fernández

On 11/02/15 05:03, Marvin Humphrey wrote:

The Champion's main work is to help formulate the proposal.  That work
is essentially done -- so it doesn't matter too much who takes that
role, now.  Are Andy and Reto opting out out as a gesture of openness
to Sesame?


Sergio has effectively been the Champion for this proposal, but I guess
he's not technically admissible as the Champion needs to be a Member or
Director.


It's not uncommon for someone other than the Champion to do most of the
hard work of drawing up the proposal, honestly.


Lewis John McGibbney (lewismc) has accepted and signed off as our 
Champion :-)


https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/CommonsRDF#Champion

We already have two mentors: Benedikt Ritter (britter) and Rob Vesse 
(rvesse). For Rob everything is fine. But Benedikt recently joined 
incubator on behalf Commons because this proposal, and he would need to 
join the IPMC for actually act as a mentor.


In the meantime we short this off, we can stay looking for a third 
mentor, although not blocking us to move forward.


Thanks all of you guys for your support to this proposal!

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Re: Draft Report February 2015 - please review

2015-02-11 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 3:56 AM, Stian Soiland-Reyes st...@apache.org wrote:
 Not sure if this is too late..

 I added the Taverna's completed Name Search under the Legal /
 Trademarks summary.

That's fine -- it's not a controversial item.

 I didn't add Taverna under IP Clearance - although it's been sent to
 secretary@, it's not been confirmed by the secretary - probably
 something fell over with email + attachments + interweb. :-/

There's no hurry.  The Incubator files a report every month, and it
is never up-to-the-minute accurate.

Marvin Humphrey

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Re: -incubator in versions of podling maven artifacts

2015-02-11 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 1:01 AM, Stian Soiland-Reyes st...@apache.org wrote:
 An incubator release is a kind of pre-release - community wise. But perhaps
 you mean this is not ideal for mature projects who were codewise stable
 before joining the incubator?

To me the biggest signaling that needs to happen has little to do with
the quality/maturity
of the code (which is a subjective metric anyway) but with the fact
that something coming
out of org.apache.* groupID is NOT YET a full member of ASF family
(and worse case
scenario may never be).

Thanks,
Roman.

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Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2015 is coming

2015-02-11 Thread Ulrich Stärk
FYI in case this email hasn't reached you.

 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Google Summer of Code 2015 is coming
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 23:44:52 +0100
From: Ulrich Stärk u...@apache.org
Reply-To: ment...@community.apache.org
To: ment...@community.apache.org

Hello PMCs (incubator Mentors, please forward this email to your podlings),

Google Summer of Code [1] is a program sponsored by Google allowing students to 
spend their summer
working on open source software. Students will receive stipends for developing 
open source software
full-time for three months. Projects will provide mentoring and project ideas, 
and in return have
the chance to get new code developed and - most importantly - to identify and 
bring in new committers.

The ASF will apply as a participating organization meaning individual projects 
don't have to apply
separately.

If you want to participate with your project we ask you to do the following 
things by no later than
2015-02-13 19:00 UTC (applications from organizations close a week later)

1. understand what it means to be a mentor [2].

2. record your project ideas.

Just create issues in JIRA, label them with gsoc2015, and they will show up at 
[3]. Please be as
specific as possible when describing your idea. Include the programming 
language, the tools and
skills required, but try not to scare potential students away. They are 
supposed to learn what's
required before the program starts.

Use labels, e.g. for the programming language (java, c, c++, erlang, python, 
brainfuck, ...) or
technology area (cloud, xml, web, foo, bar, ...) and record them at [5].

Please use the COMDEV JIRA project for recording your ideas if your project 
doesn't use JIRA (e.g.
httpd, ooo). Contact d...@community.apache.org if you need assistance.

[4] contains some additional information (will be updated for 2015 shortly).

3. subscribe to ment...@community.apache.org; restricted to potential mentors, 
meant to be used as a
private list - general discussions on the public d...@community.apache.org list 
as much as possible
please). Use a recognized address when subscribing (@apache.org or one of your 
alias addresses on
record).

Note that the ASF isn't accepted as a participating organization yet, 
nevertheless you *have to*
start recording your ideas now or we might not get accepted.

Over the years we were able to complete hundreds of projects successfully. Some 
of our prior
students are active contributors now! Let's make this year a success again!

Cheers,

Uli

P.S.: Except for the private parts (label spreadsheet mostly), this email is 
free to be shared
publicly if you want to.

[1] http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2015
[2] http://community.apache.org/guide-to-being-a-mentor.html
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Re: [DISCUSS] Commons RDF to join the Apache Incubator

2015-02-11 Thread Andy Seaborne

On 11/02/15 10:02, Rob Vesse wrote:

Marvin

Yes I would be willing to be a mentor for this podling if there isn't
sufficient volunteers and they would be willing to have me


Thank you - added! (before you change your mind :-))


I agree that there is a tendency then to make the podling Jena heavy but I
have had zero involvement in the Commons RDF effort to date and the API
they are talking about currently is at a level of a stack that I have
historically contributed nothing to nor do I particularly use so hopefully
I would be seen as relatively neutral.  To be honest I wouldn't have the
bandwidth to get actively involved in the code  design) efforts (nor do I
particularly want to) and thus would only want to be a mentor.


Understood.


As you said this would probably be a relatively easy mentoring gig with
most of the effort being around just keeping an eye on the community to
sign off and comment on reports and to review release as and when they
come around.


I hope you'll bring in your experience from other projects, inside and 
outside Apache.


 On 10/02/2015 20:31, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:
(sorry to chop but it's a long way down)
 The Champion's main work is to help formulate the proposal.  That
 work is essentially done -- so it doesn't matter too much who takes
 that role, now.

Ack.

 Are Andy and Reto opting out out as a gesture of openness to Sesame?

Sergio has done a great job of pulling the proposal together.

I have a one-podling-at-a-time policy and Taverna is already filling the 
slot.


In my experience, champion also gets involved in the initial bootstrap 
tasks, and in this case I would hope we can easily share those tasks around.


Andy



Rob

On 10/02/2015 20:31, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:


On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Stian Soiland-Reyes st...@apache.org
wrote:


The natural path to Apache Commons Sandbox has been studied, but we
think that in this phase of the project, which focuses on the API
design and actively involves the developers of existing toolkits, it
is better to have a more focused community and infrastructure. Rather
than a new Top-Level Project, the goal is still to graduate as part of
Apache Commons, that is when API has achieve the required maturity and
the project goes into maintenance mode.


If Commons is OK with this, I imagine this is a fine plan -- good enough
for
entering incubation.

I also think it would be OK for the project to decide it wants to become a
TLP.  Whether the project joins Commons or becomes its own TLP won't
impact
the number of people qualified to work on it.  Some Apache TLPs are
effectively in maintenance mode and have very low activity, but still
have PMC
members willing to answer user questions, make security releases and file
still here quarterly reports.  That seems like a legitimate aspiration
for
this project.

A potential Jena destination also seems as though it would have certain
advantages, though my naive speculation is that it might be sub-optimal in
terms of providing neutral territory for negotiating a common API for
Jena and
Sesame.

In any case it seems likely that if the project achieves its design goal,
there will be people willing to work on it as long as both Jena and Sesame
remain viable.  That makes it different from other potential maintenance
mode TLPs which are in danger of stagnation because they cannot renew
their
communities.

Is that take roughly accurate, Sergio et al?


=== Mailing lists ===

  * commons-rdf-dev
  * commons-rdf-commits


Those sound like final mailing lists rather than Incubator ones.  I might
have
expected these instead:

d...@commons-rdf.incubator.apache.org
comm...@commons-rdf.incubator.apache.org

Do you expect to keep separate mailing lists after graduation, or will
traffic
be shunted onto existing Commons mailing list like d...@commons.apache.org
and
comm...@commons.apache.org?


  * Sergio Fernández (wikier dot apache dot org)
  * Andy Seaborne (andy dot apache dot org)
  * Peter Ansell (ansell dot apache dot org)
  * Stian Soiland-Reyes (stain at apache dot org)
  * Reto Gmür (reto at apache dot org)


Lots of Apache experience in this group.  Four are PMC members of at
least one
Apache project.  Andy and Reto are ASF Members.  Andy and Sergio are both
IPMC
members.  Stian is a core contributor of the Taverna podling.

You probably haven't been getting much feedback because there's a lot
going on
in the Incubator right now and everybody figures that with a group like
that
you're in good shape. :)

=== Champion ===

* TBD

The Champion's main work is to help formulate the proposal.  That work is
essentially done -- so it doesn't matter too much who takes that role,
now.
Are Andy and Reto opting out out as a gesture of openness to Sesame?


=== Nominated Mentors ===

  * Benedikt Ritter (britter at apache dot org)
  * TBD


Benedikt is a member of the Commons PMC, but he's not a member of the
IPMC nor
an Apache Member -- 

Re: [DISCUSS] Commons RDF to join the Apache Incubator

2015-02-11 Thread Sergio Fernández

On 10/02/15 21:31, Marvin Humphrey wrote:

If Commons is OK with this, I imagine this is a fine plan -- good enough for
entering incubation.

I also think it would be OK for the project to decide it wants to become a
TLP.  Whether the project joins Commons or becomes its own TLP won't impact
the number of people qualified to work on it.  Some Apache TLPs are
effectively in maintenance mode and have very low activity, but still have PMC
members willing to answer user questions, make security releases and file
still here quarterly reports.  That seems like a legitimate aspiration for
this project.

A potential Jena destination also seems as though it would have certain
advantages, though my naive speculation is that it might be sub-optimal in
terms of providing neutral territory for negotiating a common API for Jena and
Sesame.

In any case it seems likely that if the project achieves its design goal,
there will be people willing to work on it as long as both Jena and Sesame
remain viable.  That makes it different from other potential maintenance
mode TLPs which are in danger of stagnation because they cannot renew their
communities.

Is that take roughly accurate, Sergio et al?


Completely :-)


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Re: [DISCUSS] Commons RDF to join the Apache Incubator

2015-02-11 Thread Sergio Fernández

Hi,

On 11/02/15 05:03, Marvin Humphrey wrote:

How good a fit is this project for Commons?  Is it similar in scope and
size to other Commons components?  Any comments from current members of
the Commons community?  Should we be concerned about potential umbrella
project issues, such as degrading signal-to-noise ratio on the Commons
lists?


We already discussed that at dev@commons.a.o. Commons does not want to 
be an umbrella project, and I completely agree on that. But we cannot 
(yet) consider Commons RDF as a component that fits there (or sandbox), 
since we have to grow the community and evolve the design before been 
prepared to be there.



Peter, who I see is active in Sesame, indicates that either Reto or Andy
would be acceptable.  If it would suit the community to have an outsider
Champion, though, I'm willing to serve.


Personally I'd prefer an outsider. The larger representation of Apache 
Commons here (either as Champion or Mentors) the better for the success 
of the proposal.



We were hoping to also get some RDF neutral mentors.


+++1

Thanks for the very good feedback, Marvin.


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Re: -incubator in versions of podling maven artifacts

2015-02-11 Thread Stian Soiland-Reyes
When you say break, do you mean some software is unable to compare version
numbers correctly, or that we don't comply with the text of
http://semver.org ?

 A pre-release version MAY be denoted by appending a hyphen and a series
of dot separated identifiers immediately following the patch version.
Identifiers MUST comprise only ASCII alphanumerics and hyphen [0-9A-Za-z-].
Identifiers MUST NOT be empty. Numeric identifiers MUST NOT include leading
zeroes. Pre-release versions have a lower precedence than the associated
normal version. A pre-release version indicates that the version is
unstable and might not satisfy the intended compatibility requirements as
denoted by its associated normal version. Examples: 1.0.0-alpha,
1.0.0-alpha.1, 1.0.0-0.3.7, 1.0.0-x.7.z.92.

An incubator release is a kind of pre-release - community wise. But perhaps
you mean this is not ideal for mature projects who were codewise stable
before joining the incubator?
On 10 Feb 2015 23:29, Julien Le Dem jul...@ledem.net wrote:

 Hi Incubator,
 I'd like some context about the requirement of adding -incubating in the
 file name of podling releases.

 http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html
 http://incubator.apache.org/guides/release-java.html#best-practice-maven

 It seems we require adding -incubating in the version for maven artifacts
 which breaks Semantic versioning as hyphen is used for pre-releases.
 It is also confusing as we vote on a version number but that's not what we
 use as the artifact version.
 We are already publishing the source release in the incubator project and
 have incubating in its file name as well as DISCLAIMER files.
 So it seems to me that adding it in the maven artifact is a bit overkill.
 Every release as to get through the vote of the IPMC anyway so it's not
 like podlings releases are not vetted appropriately.

 opinions from the IPMC?

 Julien






Re: [DISCUSS] Commons RDF to join the Apache Incubator

2015-02-11 Thread Rob Vesse
Marvin

Yes I would be willing to be a mentor for this podling if there isn't
sufficient volunteers and they would be willing to have me

I agree that there is a tendency then to make the podling Jena heavy but I
have had zero involvement in the Commons RDF effort to date and the API
they are talking about currently is at a level of a stack that I have
historically contributed nothing to nor do I particularly use so hopefully
I would be seen as relatively neutral.  To be honest I wouldn't have the
bandwidth to get actively involved in the code  design) efforts (nor do I
particularly want to) and thus would only want to be a mentor.

As you said this would probably be a relatively easy mentoring gig with
most of the effort being around just keeping an eye on the community to
sign off and comment on reports and to review release as and when they
come around.

Rob

On 10/02/2015 20:31, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:

On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Stian Soiland-Reyes st...@apache.org
wrote:

 The natural path to Apache Commons Sandbox has been studied, but we
 think that in this phase of the project, which focuses on the API
 design and actively involves the developers of existing toolkits, it
 is better to have a more focused community and infrastructure. Rather
 than a new Top-Level Project, the goal is still to graduate as part of
 Apache Commons, that is when API has achieve the required maturity and
 the project goes into maintenance mode.

If Commons is OK with this, I imagine this is a fine plan -- good enough
for
entering incubation.

I also think it would be OK for the project to decide it wants to become a
TLP.  Whether the project joins Commons or becomes its own TLP won't
impact
the number of people qualified to work on it.  Some Apache TLPs are
effectively in maintenance mode and have very low activity, but still
have PMC
members willing to answer user questions, make security releases and file
still here quarterly reports.  That seems like a legitimate aspiration
for
this project.

A potential Jena destination also seems as though it would have certain
advantages, though my naive speculation is that it might be sub-optimal in
terms of providing neutral territory for negotiating a common API for
Jena and
Sesame.

In any case it seems likely that if the project achieves its design goal,
there will be people willing to work on it as long as both Jena and Sesame
remain viable.  That makes it different from other potential maintenance
mode TLPs which are in danger of stagnation because they cannot renew
their
communities.

Is that take roughly accurate, Sergio et al?

 === Mailing lists ===

  * commons-rdf-dev
  * commons-rdf-commits

Those sound like final mailing lists rather than Incubator ones.  I might
have
expected these instead:

d...@commons-rdf.incubator.apache.org
comm...@commons-rdf.incubator.apache.org

Do you expect to keep separate mailing lists after graduation, or will
traffic
be shunted onto existing Commons mailing list like d...@commons.apache.org
and
comm...@commons.apache.org?

  * Sergio Fernández (wikier dot apache dot org)
  * Andy Seaborne (andy dot apache dot org)
  * Peter Ansell (ansell dot apache dot org)
  * Stian Soiland-Reyes (stain at apache dot org)
  * Reto Gmür (reto at apache dot org)

Lots of Apache experience in this group.  Four are PMC members of at
least one
Apache project.  Andy and Reto are ASF Members.  Andy and Sergio are both
IPMC
members.  Stian is a core contributor of the Taverna podling.

You probably haven't been getting much feedback because there's a lot
going on
in the Incubator right now and everybody figures that with a group like
that
you're in good shape. :)

=== Champion ===

 * TBD

The Champion's main work is to help formulate the proposal.  That work is
essentially done -- so it doesn't matter too much who takes that role,
now.
Are Andy and Reto opting out out as a gesture of openness to Sesame?

 === Nominated Mentors ===

  * Benedikt Ritter (britter at apache dot org)
  * TBD

Benedikt is a member of the Commons PMC, but he's not a member of the
IPMC nor
an Apache Member -- so although Commons input is important, unfortunately
it's
not a valid nomination.

I'd nudge newly elected IPMC member Rob Vesse, but maybe the roster is
already
Jena-heavy?

Marvin Humphrey

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Re: [DISCUSS] Commons RDF to join the Apache Incubator

2015-02-11 Thread Andy Seaborne

On 11/02/15 08:14, Sergio Fernández wrote:

On 10/02/15 21:31, Marvin Humphrey wrote:

If Commons is OK with this, I imagine this is a fine plan -- good
enough for
entering incubation.

I also think it would be OK for the project to decide it wants to
become a
TLP.  Whether the project joins Commons or becomes its own TLP won't
impact
the number of people qualified to work on it.  Some Apache TLPs are
effectively in maintenance mode and have very low activity, but still
have PMC
members willing to answer user questions, make security releases and file
still here quarterly reports.  That seems like a legitimate
aspiration for
this project.

A potential Jena destination also seems as though it would have certain
advantages, though my naive speculation is that it might be
sub-optimal in
terms of providing neutral territory for negotiating a common API for
Jena and
Sesame.

In any case it seems likely that if the project achieves its design goal,
there will be people willing to work on it as long as both Jena and
Sesame
remain viable.  That makes it different from other potential maintenance
mode TLPs which are in danger of stagnation because they cannot renew
their
communities.

Is that take roughly accurate, Sergio et al?


Completely :-)


Yes.

Personally, I'd keep the destination open for both TLP and Apache 
Commons, then see where we are at graduation time. A lot of (good) 
things can happen during incubation.


Andy







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Re: Practical next steps for pTLP experiment

2015-02-11 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote:

 On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Who ever said the Incubator has the exclusive Right to be the only way to
  become part of the Apache Software Foundation? New approaches can be
  discussed anywhere. At the end of the day, it will be the Board who votes
  on a pTLP resolution.

 Resolution R2, paragraph 3:


 http://apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2002/board_minutes_2002_10_16.txt


Well aware, Sam. I voted on that. ... and again: it doesn't assign
*exclusive* management of incoming projects. It is flat out impossible for
such. The Board can write a resolution saying that one day, and then accept
a contravening resolution the next.

*shrug*

... what you're missing is that pTLP is not part of the Incubator. Nothing
against it, but it has zero bearing upon these proposals. All of that is
left to the Board.

...

Cheers,
-g


Re: Draft Report February 2015 - please review

2015-02-11 Thread Stian Soiland-Reyes
Not sure if this is too late..

I added the Taverna's completed Name Search under the Legal /
Trademarks summary.


I didn't add Taverna under IP Clearance - although it's been sent to
secretary@, it's not been confirmed by the secretary - probably
something fell over with email + attachments + interweb. :-/



On 9 February 2015 at 17:30, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:
 Incubator PMC report for February 2015

 The Apache Incubator is the entry path into the ASF for projects and
 codebases wishing to become part of the Foundation's efforts.

  narrative 

 * Community

   New IPMC members:



   People who left the IPMC:



   Mentors who didn't sign off on the reports:


 * New Podlings



 * Graduations

   The board has motions for the following:



 * Releases

   The following releases were made since the last Incubator report:

 johnzon-0.5-incubating
 apache-reef-0.10.0-incubating
 htrace-3.1.0-incubating
 apache-usergrid-1.0.1-incubating
 nifi-nar-maven-plugin 1.0.0
 nifi 0.0.1 (incubating)
 streams-project-0.1-incubating

   The Incubator continues to use discretion when enforcing release policy.

   * Numerous releases have been approved despite having an out of date
 copyright year in the NOTICE file.  Fixing for the next release has been
 considered a sufficient remedy.
   * The REEF release was approved with an incomplete incubation
 disclaimer in README (there was also a disclaimer on the podling
 website).

 * IP Clearance

   CouchDB Mango -- IBM Corporation have built a MongoDB API Layer for
   CouchDB and are donating it to the CouchDB project. This consists of of a
   module that exposes a set of actions that are similar to what MongoDB
   exposes.

 * Legal / Trademarks



 * Infrastructure



 * Miscellaneous



  Summary of podling reports 

 * Still getting started at the Incubator

 TinkerPop
 Zeppelin (delayed software grant)

 * Not yet ready to graduate

   No release:

 Corinthia
 Kylin
 Lens
 SAMOA
 Tamaya
 Taverna

   Community growth:

 Droids
 HTrace
 NiFi
 REEF
 Slider
 Twill

 * Ready to graduate

 Blur

 * Did not report, expected next month

 BatchEE
 Ripple (2 months)

 * Retired Podlings

 NPanday

 * Report incomplete

 Sirona

 --
Table of Contents
 BatchEE
 Blur
 Corinthia
 Droids
 HTrace
 Kylin
 Lens
 NiFi
 REEF
 Ripple
 SAMOA
 Sirona
 Slider
 Tamaya
 Taverna
 TinkerPop
 Twill
 Zeppelin

 --

 
 BatchEE

 BatchEE projects aims to provide a JBatch implementation (aka JSR352) and a
 set of useful extensions for this specification.

 BatchEE has been incubating since 2013-10-03.

 Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:

   1.
   2.
   3.

 Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
 aware of?



 How has the community developed since the last report?



 How has the project developed since the last report?



 Date of last release:

   -XX-XX

 When were the last committers or PMC members elected?



 Signed-off-by:

   [ ](batchee) Jean-Baptiste Onofré
   [ ](batchee) Olivier Lamy
   [ ](batchee) Mark Struberg

 Shepherd/Mentor notes:



 
 Blur

 Blur is a search platform capable of searching massive amounts of data
 in a cloud computing environment.

 Blur has been incubating since 2012-07-24.

 Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:

   1. We anticipate pursuing graduation after our upcoming release.
   2.
   3.

 Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
 aware of?

 None.

 How has the community developed since the last report?

   We continue to be small but active.

   - Subscriptions: user@ - 60[0]; dev@ - 66[0]

 How has the project developed since the last report?

   The majority of effort has been around stabilization for the upcoming
   release.

   We're pleased to have seen some new folks show up and contribute bug
   reports and patches.

 Date of last release:

   2014-07-29

 When were the last committers or PMC members elected?

   2014-07-28

 Signed-off-by:

   [ ](blur) Doug Cutting
   [X](blur) Patrick Hunt
   [X](blur) Tim Williams

 Shepherd/Mentor notes:



 
 Corinthia

 Corinthia is a toolkit/application for converting between and editing common
 office file formats, with an initial focus on word processing. It is
 designed to cater for multiple classes of platforms - desktop, web, and
 mobile - and relies heavily on web technologies such as HTML, CSS, and
 JavaScript for representing and manipulating documents. The toolkit is
 small, portable, and flexible, with minimal dependencies. The target
 audience is developers wishing to 

Re: [DISCUSS] Commons RDF to join the Apache Incubator

2015-02-11 Thread Sergio Fernández

Cool! Thanks, Rob.

On 11/02/15 11:02, Rob Vesse wrote:

Marvin

Yes I would be willing to be a mentor for this podling if there isn't
sufficient volunteers and they would be willing to have me

I agree that there is a tendency then to make the podling Jena heavy but I
have had zero involvement in the Commons RDF effort to date and the API
they are talking about currently is at a level of a stack that I have
historically contributed nothing to nor do I particularly use so hopefully
I would be seen as relatively neutral.  To be honest I wouldn't have the
bandwidth to get actively involved in the code  design) efforts (nor do I
particularly want to) and thus would only want to be a mentor.

As you said this would probably be a relatively easy mentoring gig with
most of the effort being around just keeping an eye on the community to
sign off and comment on reports and to review release as and when they
come around.

Rob

On 10/02/2015 20:31, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:


On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Stian Soiland-Reyes st...@apache.org
wrote:


The natural path to Apache Commons Sandbox has been studied, but we
think that in this phase of the project, which focuses on the API
design and actively involves the developers of existing toolkits, it
is better to have a more focused community and infrastructure. Rather
than a new Top-Level Project, the goal is still to graduate as part of
Apache Commons, that is when API has achieve the required maturity and
the project goes into maintenance mode.


If Commons is OK with this, I imagine this is a fine plan -- good enough
for
entering incubation.

I also think it would be OK for the project to decide it wants to become a
TLP.  Whether the project joins Commons or becomes its own TLP won't
impact
the number of people qualified to work on it.  Some Apache TLPs are
effectively in maintenance mode and have very low activity, but still
have PMC
members willing to answer user questions, make security releases and file
still here quarterly reports.  That seems like a legitimate aspiration
for
this project.

A potential Jena destination also seems as though it would have certain
advantages, though my naive speculation is that it might be sub-optimal in
terms of providing neutral territory for negotiating a common API for
Jena and
Sesame.

In any case it seems likely that if the project achieves its design goal,
there will be people willing to work on it as long as both Jena and Sesame
remain viable.  That makes it different from other potential maintenance
mode TLPs which are in danger of stagnation because they cannot renew
their
communities.

Is that take roughly accurate, Sergio et al?


=== Mailing lists ===

  * commons-rdf-dev
  * commons-rdf-commits


Those sound like final mailing lists rather than Incubator ones.  I might
have
expected these instead:

d...@commons-rdf.incubator.apache.org
comm...@commons-rdf.incubator.apache.org

Do you expect to keep separate mailing lists after graduation, or will
traffic
be shunted onto existing Commons mailing list like d...@commons.apache.org
and
comm...@commons.apache.org?


  * Sergio Fernández (wikier dot apache dot org)
  * Andy Seaborne (andy dot apache dot org)
  * Peter Ansell (ansell dot apache dot org)
  * Stian Soiland-Reyes (stain at apache dot org)
  * Reto Gmür (reto at apache dot org)


Lots of Apache experience in this group.  Four are PMC members of at
least one
Apache project.  Andy and Reto are ASF Members.  Andy and Sergio are both
IPMC
members.  Stian is a core contributor of the Taverna podling.

You probably haven't been getting much feedback because there's a lot
going on
in the Incubator right now and everybody figures that with a group like
that
you're in good shape. :)

=== Champion ===

* TBD

The Champion's main work is to help formulate the proposal.  That work is
essentially done -- so it doesn't matter too much who takes that role,
now.
Are Andy and Reto opting out out as a gesture of openness to Sesame?


=== Nominated Mentors ===

  * Benedikt Ritter (britter at apache dot org)
  * TBD


Benedikt is a member of the Commons PMC, but he's not a member of the
IPMC nor
an Apache Member -- so although Commons input is important, unfortunately
it's
not a valid nomination.

I'd nudge newly elected IPMC member Rob Vesse, but maybe the roster is
already
Jena-heavy?

Marvin Humphrey

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Re: Draft Report February 2015 - please review

2015-02-11 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:
 It's my understanding that Droids is basically a mature product with no
 pressing need for further development, not unlike some dormant Apache TLPs who
 neverthess still have PMC members hanging around able to make releases and
 respond to user inquiries.

 I think the greater IPMC ought to stay aware, though, that Droids has very,
 very low activity: 3 dev list emails in the last quarter (39 in the
 last year), no user list, and no commits since April 2013.  The only thing
 between Droids and retirement is our deference to Richard and Thorsten.  They
 form the potential core of a community, but it has yet to develop in 6 years
 of incubation.

Very much +1 to that! I think Richard and Thorsten need to come up with
the trajectory for the project. As I see it -- it can go either way. One thing
is certain though: I don't think incubation is serving its purpose for the
project any longer.

 
 SAMOA

 SAMOA provides a collection of distributed streaming algorithms for the most
 common data mining and machine learning tasks such as classification,
 clustering, and regression, as well as programming abstractions to develop
 new algorithms that run on top of distributed stream processing engines
 (DSPEs).  It features a pluggable architecture that allows it to run on
 several DSPEs such as Apache Storm, Apache S4, and Apache Samza.

 SAMOA has been incubating since 2014-12-15.

 Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:

   1. Create bylaws for the project

 I'm a little surprised to see creation of bylaws listed as the top priority
 for a brand new podling.  Bylaws limit flexibility; I would have thought it
 better to wait until near graduation to perform such a task (if at all).
 Have other podlings done this?  Is there something unusual about SAMOA?

That jumped at me as well (great minds... ;-)). However, looking at the matter
further it appears that bylaws may be too grand a term here. The community
seems to be simply seeking a 'modus operandi' if you will.

Thanks,
Roman.

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