Re: [DRAFT] August 2015 Board Report - Please Review

2015-08-11 Thread Niall Pemberton
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 12:31 AM, John D. Ament johndam...@apache.org
wrote:

 On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 7:10 PM Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com
 
 wrote:

  Geode was supposed to report - but its not included in the missing
 reports
  list.
 

 Hmm very good point.  podlings.xml indicates they shouldn't have, but based
 on when they entered the incubator they should have.  Even going back to
 rev 1 of the page, they are missing.

 https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/August2015?action=recallrev=1

 So does anyone have any recommendations on how to handle it?  I'll look at
 the history to see why they were removed.


I looked at the Geode list after sending my mail and found they were told
they didn't need to report this month as the reminder was sent by mistake.
So I think the only thing to do is ask them to report next month and move
their quarterly schedule.

http://markmail.org/message/3ips25tnmnnczko3


Niall



 John

 
  Niall
 
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 1:30 AM, John D. Ament johndam...@apache.org
  wrote:
 
   All,
  
   I'd like to present the draft board report for additional community
  input.
   We have reports expected from 19 podlings, 12 reported, 7 did not.  Of
  the
   7 that did not report, I left in the shepherd comments on 2 (myself and
   Justin Mclean) who had some additional insights on the welfare of the
   podlings in question.
  
   There are multiple podlings without mentor sign off - Blur, ODF
 Toolkit,
   Twill and Sentry.  Its not too late to sign off, so if you can get
 those
   signatures in great.  If you cannot, or feel there is an issue with the
   report please bring it up and we'll need to move them to non-reporting.
  
   I've copied the current body below.
  
   = Incubator PMC report for August 2015 =
   === Timeline ===
   ||Wed August 05 ||Podling reports due by end of day ||
   ||Sun August 09 ||Shepherd reviews due by end of day ||
   ||Sun August 09 ||Summary due by end of day ||
   ||Tue August 11 ||Mentor signoff due by end of day ||
   ||Wed August 12 ||Report submitted to Board ||
   ||Wed August 19 ||Board meeting ||
  
  
   === Shepherd Assignments ===
   ||Andrei Savu ||AsterixDB ||
   ||Andrei Savu ||Kylin ||
   ||Drew Farris ||Blur ||
   ||John Ament ||Calcite ||
   ||John Ament ||Droids ||
   ||Justin Mclean ||BatchEE ||
   ||Matthew Franklin ||DataFu ||
   ||Matthew Franklin ||Tamaya ||
   ||Matthew Franklin ||Twill ||
   ||P. Taylor Goetz ||FreeMarker ||
   ||P. Taylor Goetz ||Trafodion ||
   ||Raphael Bircher ||Sirona ||
   ||Raphael Bircher ||Slider ||
   ||Ross Gardler ||Ripple ||
   ||Suresh Marru ||ODF Toolkit ||
   ||Suresh Marru ||REEF ||
   ||Suresh Marru ||TinkerPop ||
   ||Timothy Chen ||Climate Model Diagnostic Analyzer ||
   ||Timothy Chen ||Kalumet ||
  
  
   === Report content ===
   {{{
   Incubator PMC report for August 2015
  
   The Apache Incubator is the entry path into the ASF for projects and
   codebases wishing to become part of the Foundation's efforts.
  
   There are 43 podlings currently under incubation.
  
   * Community
  
 New IPMC members:
  
 Flavio Junquiero
  
 People who left the IPMC:
  
 (none)
  
   * New Podlings
  
 No new podlings entered the incubator this month.
  
   * Graduations
  
 The board has motions for the following:
  
 Ignite
  
   * Releases
  
 The following releases were made since the last Incubator report:
  
 2015-07-27 - apache-brooklyn-0.7.0-incubating
 2015-07-24 - Apache-Twill-0.6.0-incubating
 2015-07-23 - Apache-Zeppelin-0.5.0-incubating release
 2015-07-22 - apache-ripple-emulator-0.9.30-incubating
 2015-07-21 - apache-ignite-1.3.0-incubating
 2015-07-21 - apache-samoa-0.3.0-incubating
 2015-07-21 - apache-kylin-0.7.2-incubating
 2015-07-16 - apache-tinkerpop-3.0.0-incubating
 2015-07-16 - apache-usergrid-1.0.2-incubating
 2015-07-16 - apache-nifi-0.2.0-incubating
 2015-07-16 - apache-groovy-2.4.4-incubating
 2015-07-16 - apache-lens-2.2.0-beta-incubating
 2015-07-09 - apache-sentry-1.5.1-incubating
 2015-07-09 - apache-atlas-0.5-incubating
  
   * IP Clearance
  
 JBoss HornetQ code grant to the ActiveMQ PMC.
  
   * Legal / Trademarks
  
  
  
   * Infrastructure
  
 Marvin board report reminders went out this month.  There was
 much rejoicing.
  
   * Miscellaneous
  
 * Report Manager: John D. Ament
  
    Summary of podling reports 
  
   * Still getting started at the Incubator
  
 AsterixDB
 Climate Model Diagnostic Analyzer
 DataFu
 FreeMarker
  
   * Not yet ready to graduate
  
 No release:
  
 Blur
 Tamaya
  
 Community growth:
  
 Kylin
 Trafodion
 Twill
  
   * Ready to graduate
  
 Calcite
  
 The Board has motions for the following:
  
 Ignite
  
   * Did not report, expected next month
  
 BatchEE (Shepherd notes remaining)
 Droids (Shepherd notes 

Re: [DRAFT] August 2015 Board Report - Please Review

2015-08-11 Thread John D. Ament
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 7:43 PM Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com
wrote:

 On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 4:31 PM, John D. Ament johndam...@apache.org
 wrote:
  On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 7:10 PM Niall Pemberton 
 niall.pember...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Geode was supposed to report - but its not included in the missing
 reports
  list.
 
  Hmm very good point.  podlings.xml indicates they shouldn't have, but
 based
  on when they entered the incubator they should have.  Even going back to
  rev 1 of the page, they are missing.
 
  https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/August2015?action=recallrev=1
 
  So does anyone have any recommendations on how to handle it?  I'll look
 at
  the history to see why they were removed.

 Geode's entry in podlings.xml indicated that they were to be monthly
 for May, June, July.  Therefore, I removed them this month -- and
 specifically sent an email telling them not to report, since the
 report reminder had already gone out.


Yep, just got to the same conclusion.  It happens.  For those interested,
here's the commit that removed them.

http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/public/trunk/content/podlings.xml?r1=1692672r2=1692887pathrev=1695191

and the May report, which includes them as a new podling but no report from
them.

http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/May2015



 It turns out that Geode did not report in May, so they only filed
 monthly for two months.

 It's too late for this report cycle.  Their next scheduled report will
 be in October.


Agreed.



 I think the decision to file an out-of-cycle report in September
 should be left to Geode's Mentors.


Agreed, though I would urge their mentors to decide that a special report
should be filed in September.



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Re: [DISCUSS] Apex Incubation Proposal

2015-08-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 5:04 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote:
 ...With such
 tight integration why ask for different JIRAs for the two projects and two
 different repos?...

I don't have a problem with asking for multiple Git repositories but
their names should share a common prefix to express that they belong
to the same PMC.

So instead of incubator-apex.git and incubator-malhar.git I would much prefer

  incubator-apex-core.git
  incubator-apex-malhar.git

Or something like that, dunno if core makes sense.

As for JIRA, I would apply the same rule, so APX-CORE and APX-MHAR maybe.

-Bertrand

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Re: Are tests part of the release?

2015-08-11 Thread Hendrik Dev
thanks for your feedback, i canceled the vote, we fixed the deps and
startet a new vote.

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 11:11 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
 ...we do not have a demand that a release must contain a
 test set, so if the release
 does not contain the test we cannot see it as broken, or ?...

 From the ASF's point of view you are correct, having tests in a
 release is not required.

 OTOH releasing code without tests is...well, suboptimal. But nobody's
 perfect of course.

 In Hendrik's case IIUC the tests are present but somewhat broken by
 depending on Maven snapshots, which makes it a buggy release - but
 releases are not always perfect either, and I suspect in their case
 the workaround is easy: release said snapshot and instruct people to
 replace the appropriate references. That makes it a just a known issue
 in that release, with a known workaround.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Apex Incubation Proposal

2015-08-11 Thread Ted Dunning

I personally see far less reason for separate JIRA instances than git repos. 
Having all jiras under APEX seems a good choice. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 11, 2015, at 2:32, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
 
 As for JIRA, I would apply the same rule, so APX-CORE and APX-MHAR maybe.

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Re: [Incubator Wiki] Update of ConcertedProposal by AtriSharma

2015-08-11 Thread sebb
On 11 August 2015 at 10:46, Apache Wiki wikidi...@apache.org wrote:
 Dear Wiki user,

 You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on Incubator Wiki for 
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 https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ConcertedProposal



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 = Background =
 Relational databases were built with the cost of physical memory in mind. The 
 cost is no longer very relevant and physical memory is now available on 
 demand.
 Another driving factor behind concerted is that it also  Also, supporting 
 OLAP workloads with in memory support for faster read constant queries and 
 joins will be useful.

Seems to be some missing text and punctuation between also and Also above.
concerted should presumably be Concerted



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Re: [Incubator Wiki] Update of ConcertedProposal by AtriSharma

2015-08-11 Thread Atri Sharma
Fixed, please see and comment.

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Atri Sharma atri.j...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for pointing it out, let me fix.

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  You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on Incubator Wiki
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 snip/

  = Background =
  Relational databases were built with the cost of physical memory in
 mind. The cost is no longer very relevant and physical memory is now
 available on demand.
  Another driving factor behind concerted is that it also  Also,
 supporting OLAP workloads with in memory support for faster read constant
 queries and joins will be useful.

 Seems to be some missing text and punctuation between also and Also
 above.
 concerted should presumably be Concerted

 

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Re: [Incubator Wiki] Update of ConcertedProposal by AtriSharma

2015-08-11 Thread Atri Sharma
Thanks for pointing it out, let me fix.

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  = Background =
  Relational databases were built with the cost of physical memory in
 mind. The cost is no longer very relevant and physical memory is now
 available on demand.
  Another driving factor behind concerted is that it also  Also,
 supporting OLAP workloads with in memory support for faster read constant
 queries and joins will be useful.

 Seems to be some missing text and punctuation between also and Also
 above.
 concerted should presumably be Concerted

 

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Re: [DISCUSS] Apex Incubation Proposal

2015-08-11 Thread Amol Kekre
Bertrand,
Good point. I will take it up with folks and get back soon.

Thks
Amol

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 2:32 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org
 wrote:

 On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 5:04 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org
 wrote:
  ...With such
  tight integration why ask for different JIRAs for the two projects and
 two
  different repos?...

 I don't have a problem with asking for multiple Git repositories but
 their names should share a common prefix to express that they belong
 to the same PMC.

 So instead of incubator-apex.git and incubator-malhar.git I would much
 prefer

   incubator-apex-core.git
   incubator-apex-malhar.git

 Or something like that, dunno if core makes sense.

 As for JIRA, I would apply the same rule, so APX-CORE and APX-MHAR maybe.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Apex Incubation Proposal

2015-08-11 Thread Amol Kekre
Ted,
I agree that repo is more critical than jira instance. I am taking up your
suggesstion with folks and should get back soon.

Thks
Amol

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 3:48 AM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote:


 I personally see far less reason for separate JIRA instances than git
 repos. Having all jiras under APEX seems a good choice.

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Aug 11, 2015, at 2:32, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org
 wrote:
 
  As for JIRA, I would apply the same rule, so APX-CORE and APX-MHAR maybe.

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Re: [Incubator Wiki] Update of August2015 by MarkoRodriguez

2015-08-11 Thread jan i
On Tuesday, August 11, 2015, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:

 On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 7:19 PM, jan i j...@apache.org javascript:;
 wrote:
  On Tuesday, August 11, 2015, John D. Ament johndam...@apache.org
 javascript:; wrote:

  I would not be so strict with the deadline, as it is does not seem to
  interfere with the additional work with the report.

 Jan, you're mistaken.  Late reports are a PITA for the Report Manager
 -- and if you doubt me, please feel free to volunteer as Report
 Manager for next month. Please do not encourage podlings to report
 late.

I stand corrected, not everything is how it looks. We do not want to life
tougher for the report manager, so please strike my comment.

Thanks for bringing me back to real life.

rgds
jan i


 I think we should accept the reports *despite* the additional work,
 but please do not encourage late reports.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Apex Incubation Proposal

2015-08-11 Thread Chris Nauroth
One thing to consider is that release version numbers are tied to specific
JIRA projects.  If the intention is for Apex and Malhar version numbers to
be independent, then using a single JIRA project could introduce some risk
of confusion if an Apex version number accidentally gets applied to a
Malhar issue.  It might necessitate prefixing the version numbers with
apex- and malhar- to differentiate.

Based on that, I have a slight preference for separate JIRA projects.
However, I don't object to using a single unified JIRA project if others
feel strongly about it.

--Chris Nauroth




On 8/11/15, 8:23 AM, Amol Kekre a...@datatorrent.com wrote:

Ted,
I agree that repo is more critical than jira instance. I am taking up your
suggesstion with folks and should get back soon.

Thks
Amol

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 3:48 AM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com
wrote:


 I personally see far less reason for separate JIRA instances than git
 repos. Having all jiras under APEX seems a good choice.

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Aug 11, 2015, at 2:32, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org
 wrote:
 
  As for JIRA, I would apply the same rule, so APX-CORE and APX-MHAR
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Re: Reform of Incubator

2015-08-11 Thread Branko Čibej
On 04.08.2015 18:12, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
 What about the Ignite thread was unfortunate? That it was a bit
 heated at times, or just the fact that there was disagreement? I fear
 that there's too much bias towards +1'ing things even when folks have
 legitimate concerns.


Heated and disagreement are not a problem. The problem I see are all the
people who know nothing about the day-to-day life of the podling, then
start stating conditions for their graduation votes that have nothing to
do with either published ASF policy or published Incubator guidelines.
I'm not going to state names but it's fairly obvious from the archives
who I'm talking about.

This kind of behaviour not only wastes time but puts mentors in an
impossible position: on the one hand, we have to sink a lot of time into
guiding the podling (sometimes with a cluebat), and on the other we have
to defend the podling and our own integrity from the peanut gallery.

No wonder there are never enough active mentors to go around; who in
their right mind would want to spend their free time to go through this
rigmarole twice?

-- Brane


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Re: [DISCUSS] Apex Incubation Proposal

2015-08-11 Thread Amol Kekre
Bertrand,
We discussed your suggesstion on naming the git repos as follows. There was
a consensus on using git repos scoped with apex.

incubator-apex-core.git
incubator-apex-malhar.git

I have changed the names on the wiki as per your suggesstion. I will cover
your suggesstion of jira projects name in another reply.

Thks,
Amol


On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:28 AM, Amol Kekre a...@datatorrent.com wrote:


 Bertrand,
 Good point. I will take it up with folks and get back soon.

 Thks
 Amol

 On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 2:32 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz 
 bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:

 On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 5:04 AM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org
 wrote:
  ...With such
  tight integration why ask for different JIRAs for the two projects and
 two
  different repos?...

 I don't have a problem with asking for multiple Git repositories but
 their names should share a common prefix to express that they belong
 to the same PMC.

 So instead of incubator-apex.git and incubator-malhar.git I would much
 prefer

   incubator-apex-core.git
   incubator-apex-malhar.git

 Or something like that, dunno if core makes sense.

 As for JIRA, I would apply the same rule, so APX-CORE and APX-MHAR maybe.

 -Bertrand

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Re: [DISCUSS] Apex Incubation Proposal

2015-08-11 Thread Amol Kekre
Chris,
Thanks for articulating what I was going to respond with after talking to
folks here. We indeed see versions for Malhar and Apex differing. We expect
Malhar versions to change much more rapidly than Apex.

Ted,
We discussed the impact of single jira on versioning.  For example we
expect Malhar X.0.0 to happen much earlier than Apex X.0.0. There was
discomfort in naming versions with prefix. The consensus was to have
version numbers convey stuff. If folks don't have strong opinion on two
jiras, we would prefer to use two jiras. We have taken up Bertrand's scope
naming and changed the names of jira projects as follows

APX-CORE
APX-MLHR

I have changed the wiki to reflect the above as jira project names.

Thks,
Amol


On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Chris Nauroth cnaur...@hortonworks.com
wrote:

 One thing to consider is that release version numbers are tied to specific
 JIRA projects.  If the intention is for Apex and Malhar version numbers to
 be independent, then using a single JIRA project could introduce some risk
 of confusion if an Apex version number accidentally gets applied to a
 Malhar issue.  It might necessitate prefixing the version numbers with
 apex- and malhar- to differentiate.

 Based on that, I have a slight preference for separate JIRA projects.
 However, I don't object to using a single unified JIRA project if others
 feel strongly about it.

 --Chris Nauroth




 On 8/11/15, 8:23 AM, Amol Kekre a...@datatorrent.com wrote:

 Ted,
 I agree that repo is more critical than jira instance. I am taking up your
 suggesstion with folks and should get back soon.
 
 Thks
 Amol
 
 On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 3:48 AM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 
  I personally see far less reason for separate JIRA instances than git
  repos. Having all jiras under APEX seems a good choice.
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
   On Aug 11, 2015, at 2:32, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org
 
  wrote:
  
   As for JIRA, I would apply the same rule, so APX-CORE and APX-MHAR
 maybe.
 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apex Incubation Proposal

2015-08-11 Thread Hitesh Shah
If there isn’t a char limit on project names in JIRA, wouldn’t it just be 
better to use “APEX-CORE” and “APEX-MALHAR” to match the actual project names, 
repos, etc?

thanks
— Hitesh

On Aug 11, 2015, at 1:25 PM, Amol Kekre a...@datatorrent.com wrote:

 Chris,
 Thanks for articulating what I was going to respond with after talking to
 folks here. We indeed see versions for Malhar and Apex differing. We expect
 Malhar versions to change much more rapidly than Apex.
 
 Ted,
 We discussed the impact of single jira on versioning.  For example we
 expect Malhar X.0.0 to happen much earlier than Apex X.0.0. There was
 discomfort in naming versions with prefix. The consensus was to have
 version numbers convey stuff. If folks don't have strong opinion on two
 jiras, we would prefer to use two jiras. We have taken up Bertrand's scope
 naming and changed the names of jira projects as follows
 
 APX-CORE
 APX-MLHR
 
 I have changed the wiki to reflect the above as jira project names.
 
 Thks,
 Amol
 
 
 On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Chris Nauroth cnaur...@hortonworks.com
 wrote:
 
 One thing to consider is that release version numbers are tied to specific
 JIRA projects.  If the intention is for Apex and Malhar version numbers to
 be independent, then using a single JIRA project could introduce some risk
 of confusion if an Apex version number accidentally gets applied to a
 Malhar issue.  It might necessitate prefixing the version numbers with
 apex- and malhar- to differentiate.
 
 Based on that, I have a slight preference for separate JIRA projects.
 However, I don't object to using a single unified JIRA project if others
 feel strongly about it.
 
 --Chris Nauroth
 
 
 
 
 On 8/11/15, 8:23 AM, Amol Kekre a...@datatorrent.com wrote:
 
 Ted,
 I agree that repo is more critical than jira instance. I am taking up your
 suggesstion with folks and should get back soon.
 
 Thks
 Amol
 
 On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 3:48 AM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 
 I personally see far less reason for separate JIRA instances than git
 repos. Having all jiras under APEX seems a good choice.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 11, 2015, at 2:32, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org
 
 wrote:
 
 As for JIRA, I would apply the same rule, so APX-CORE and APX-MHAR
 maybe.
 
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Re: Reform of Incubator

2015-08-11 Thread Niall Pemberton
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Branko Čibej br...@apache.org wrote:

 On 04.08.2015 18:12, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
  What about the Ignite thread was unfortunate? That it was a bit
  heated at times, or just the fact that there was disagreement? I fear
  that there's too much bias towards +1'ing things even when folks have
  legitimate concerns.


 Heated and disagreement are not a problem. The problem I see are all the
 people who know nothing about the day-to-day life of the podling, then
 start stating conditions for their graduation votes that have nothing to
 do with either published ASF policy or published Incubator guidelines.
 I'm not going to state names but it's fairly obvious from the archives
 who I'm talking about.

 This kind of behaviour not only wastes time but puts mentors in an
 impossible position: on the one hand, we have to sink a lot of time into
 guiding the podling (sometimes with a cluebat), and on the other we have
 to defend the podling and our own integrity from the peanut gallery.


I can't see what the problem is with the discussion over the Ignite
graduation. Seems to me the podling took away some positive actions from
that debate and at the end of the day they still graduated. So best of both
worlds. Going to a model where only the mentors get to say anything to the
podling would mean they would have missed out on that. Its not the Ignites
that worry me (because they seemed like a clued up community) - but more
projects that are less than proactive about embracing how ASF projects
should work combined with mentors that are not so engaged - we could end up
with a rubber stamped graduation of a project not working how it should.

Niall



 No wonder there are never enough active mentors to go around; who in
 their right mind would want to spend their free time to go through this
 rigmarole twice?

 -- Brane


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Re: [DRAFT] August 2015 Board Report - Please Review

2015-08-11 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 4:31 PM, John D. Ament johndam...@apache.org wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 7:10 PM Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Geode was supposed to report - but its not included in the missing reports
 list.

 Hmm very good point.  podlings.xml indicates they shouldn't have, but based
 on when they entered the incubator they should have.  Even going back to
 rev 1 of the page, they are missing.

 https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/August2015?action=recallrev=1

 So does anyone have any recommendations on how to handle it?  I'll look at
 the history to see why they were removed.

Geode's entry in podlings.xml indicated that they were to be monthly
for May, June, July.  Therefore, I removed them this month -- and
specifically sent an email telling them not to report, since the
report reminder had already gone out.

It turns out that Geode did not report in May, so they only filed
monthly for two months.

It's too late for this report cycle.  Their next scheduled report will
be in October.

I think the decision to file an out-of-cycle report in September
should be left to Geode's Mentors.

Marvin Humphrey

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Re: [DRAFT] August 2015 Board Report - Please Review

2015-08-11 Thread Niall Pemberton
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 1:21 AM, John D. Ament johndam...@apache.org
wrote:

 On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:13 PM Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com
 
 wrote:

  On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 12:47 AM, John D. Ament johndam...@apache.org
  wrote:
 
   On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 7:43 PM Marvin Humphrey 
 mar...@rectangular.com
   wrote:
  
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 4:31 PM, John D. Ament 
 johndam...@apache.org
wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 7:10 PM Niall Pemberton 
niall.pember...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Geode was supposed to report - but its not included in the missing
reports
 list.

 Hmm very good point.  podlings.xml indicates they shouldn't have,
 but
based
 on when they entered the incubator they should have.  Even going
 back
   to
 rev 1 of the page, they are missing.

 https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/August2015?action=recallrev=1

 So does anyone have any recommendations on how to handle it?  I'll
  look
at
 the history to see why they were removed.
   
Geode's entry in podlings.xml indicated that they were to be monthly
for May, June, July.  Therefore, I removed them this month -- and
specifically sent an email telling them not to report, since the
report reminder had already gone out.
   
  
   Yep, just got to the same conclusion.  It happens.  For those
 interested,
   here's the commit that removed them.
  
  
  
 
 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/public/trunk/content/podlings.xml?r1=1692672r2=1692887pathrev=1695191
  
   and the May report, which includes them as a new podling but no report
  from
   them.
  
   http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/May2015
  
  
   
It turns out that Geode did not report in May, so they only filed
monthly for two months.
   
It's too late for this report cycle.  Their next scheduled report
 will
be in October.
   
  
   Agreed.
  
  
   
I think the decision to file an out-of-cycle report in September
should be left to Geode's Mentors.
   
  
   Agreed, though I would urge their mentors to decide that a special
 report
   should be filed in September.
  
 
  I don't agree. If Geode was a TLP the board would have asked them to
 report
  the next month - and we should treat them the same way. They're supposed
 to
  know when they should report and thats usually the attitude the board
  expresses to missed reports. Also, the mentors didn't pick up the fact
  they'd only filed two monthly reports - so I think we (IPMC) should
 require
  it. This is a good learning experience :)
 

 September is next month, so I'm not sure I understand the conflict here.
 Is your concern about leaving it up to the mentors?  Considering who the
 mentors are, I doubt they will have any concerns with producing a report
 for September, considering the circumstances.


Yes, I'm disagreeing with leaving up to the mentors. I think we (IPMC)
should ask them to file a report in September.

Niall



 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apex Incubation Proposal

2015-08-11 Thread Amol Kekre
oh! We preferred that during our discussion. Somehow we thought there was a
limit. I have changed it to full names (APEX-CORE, APEX-MALHAR). If there
is a limit we can reduce the number of chars later. wiki is updated.

https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ApexProposal

Thks,
Amol


On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Hitesh Shah hit...@apache.org wrote:

 If there isn’t a char limit on project names in JIRA, wouldn’t it just be
 better to use “APEX-CORE” and “APEX-MALHAR” to match the actual project
 names, repos, etc?

 thanks
 — Hitesh

 On Aug 11, 2015, at 1:25 PM, Amol Kekre a...@datatorrent.com wrote:

  Chris,
  Thanks for articulating what I was going to respond with after talking to
  folks here. We indeed see versions for Malhar and Apex differing. We
 expect
  Malhar versions to change much more rapidly than Apex.
 
  Ted,
  We discussed the impact of single jira on versioning.  For example we
  expect Malhar X.0.0 to happen much earlier than Apex X.0.0. There was
  discomfort in naming versions with prefix. The consensus was to have
  version numbers convey stuff. If folks don't have strong opinion on two
  jiras, we would prefer to use two jiras. We have taken up Bertrand's
 scope
  naming and changed the names of jira projects as follows
 
  APX-CORE
  APX-MLHR
 
  I have changed the wiki to reflect the above as jira project names.
 
  Thks,
  Amol
 
 
  On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Chris Nauroth 
 cnaur...@hortonworks.com
  wrote:
 
  One thing to consider is that release version numbers are tied to
 specific
  JIRA projects.  If the intention is for Apex and Malhar version numbers
 to
  be independent, then using a single JIRA project could introduce some
 risk
  of confusion if an Apex version number accidentally gets applied to a
  Malhar issue.  It might necessitate prefixing the version numbers with
  apex- and malhar- to differentiate.
 
  Based on that, I have a slight preference for separate JIRA projects.
  However, I don't object to using a single unified JIRA project if others
  feel strongly about it.
 
  --Chris Nauroth
 
 
 
 
  On 8/11/15, 8:23 AM, Amol Kekre a...@datatorrent.com wrote:
 
  Ted,
  I agree that repo is more critical than jira instance. I am taking up
 your
  suggesstion with folks and should get back soon.
 
  Thks
  Amol
 
  On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 3:48 AM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
 
  I personally see far less reason for separate JIRA instances than git
  repos. Having all jiras under APEX seems a good choice.
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Aug 11, 2015, at 2:32, Bertrand Delacretaz 
 bdelacre...@apache.org
 
  wrote:
 
  As for JIRA, I would apply the same rule, so APX-CORE and APX-MHAR
  maybe.
 
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[VOTE] Release Apache REEF 0.12.0-incubating (rc2)

2015-08-11 Thread Brian Cho
The Apache REEF PPMC has voted to release Apache REEF 0.12.0-incubating
based on the release candidate described below. Now it is the IPMC's turn
to vote.

The PPMC vote passed with 5 +1 votes:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-reef-dev/201508.mbox/%3CCABz36OSroQMEtagSiKsWz_L81bf=rd8j5yhratdsoew_g73...@mail.gmail.com%3E

The source tar ball, including signatures, digests, etc can be found at:
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/reef/0.12.0-incubating-rc2/

The Git tag is release-0.12.0-incubating-rc2
The Git commit ID is 13a238d1ba4f1ddca06634773090be79dda0f985


Checksums of apache-reef-0.12.0-incubating-rc2.tar.gz:

MD5: 5d74f66220fdb3316f4a50574ef52cd4

SHA512:
a5ec246fc5f73427ecb74f4725ce7ac1a8911ee7cf969aa45142b05b4985f385547b9ff47d6752e6c505dbbc98acda762d2fc22f3e2759040e2a7d9a0249398d

Release artifacts are signed with the key. The KEYS file is available here:

https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/reef/KEYS



Issues Resolved in the release
177 issues were closed/resolved for this release:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12315820version=12332143



The vote will be open for 72 hours. Please download the release
candidate, check the hashes/signature, build it and test it, and then
please vote:

[ ] +1 Release this package as Apache REEF 0.12.0-incubating
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Thanks!


Re: [DRAFT] August 2015 Board Report - Please Review

2015-08-11 Thread John D. Ament
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:13 PM Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 12:47 AM, John D. Ament johndam...@apache.org
 wrote:

  On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 7:43 PM Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com
  wrote:
 
   On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 4:31 PM, John D. Ament johndam...@apache.org
   wrote:
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 7:10 PM Niall Pemberton 
   niall.pember...@gmail.com
wrote:
   
Geode was supposed to report - but its not included in the missing
   reports
list.
   
Hmm very good point.  podlings.xml indicates they shouldn't have, but
   based
on when they entered the incubator they should have.  Even going back
  to
rev 1 of the page, they are missing.
   
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/August2015?action=recallrev=1
   
So does anyone have any recommendations on how to handle it?  I'll
 look
   at
the history to see why they were removed.
  
   Geode's entry in podlings.xml indicated that they were to be monthly
   for May, June, July.  Therefore, I removed them this month -- and
   specifically sent an email telling them not to report, since the
   report reminder had already gone out.
  
 
  Yep, just got to the same conclusion.  It happens.  For those interested,
  here's the commit that removed them.
 
 
 
 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/public/trunk/content/podlings.xml?r1=1692672r2=1692887pathrev=1695191
 
  and the May report, which includes them as a new podling but no report
 from
  them.
 
  http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/May2015
 
 
  
   It turns out that Geode did not report in May, so they only filed
   monthly for two months.
  
   It's too late for this report cycle.  Their next scheduled report will
   be in October.
  
 
  Agreed.
 
 
  
   I think the decision to file an out-of-cycle report in September
   should be left to Geode's Mentors.
  
 
  Agreed, though I would urge their mentors to decide that a special report
  should be filed in September.
 

 I don't agree. If Geode was a TLP the board would have asked them to report
 the next month - and we should treat them the same way. They're supposed to
 know when they should report and thats usually the attitude the board
 expresses to missed reports. Also, the mentors didn't pick up the fact
 they'd only filed two monthly reports - so I think we (IPMC) should require
 it. This is a good learning experience :)


September is next month, so I'm not sure I understand the conflict here.
Is your concern about leaving it up to the mentors?  Considering who the
mentors are, I doubt they will have any concerns with producing a report
for September, considering the circumstances.



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Re: [DISCUSS] Apex Incubation Proposal

2015-08-11 Thread Niall Pemberton
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 2:08 AM, Amol Kekre a...@datatorrent.com wrote:

 oh! We preferred that during our discussion. Somehow we thought there was a
 limit. I have changed it to full names (APEX-CORE, APEX-MALHAR). If there
 is a limit we can reduce the number of chars later. wiki is updated.

 https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ApexProposal


Hyphens are not allowed as project keys, but underscore is a possibility.
The default format is only upper case letters - but you'll need to check
what ASF has configured.

https://confluence.atlassian.com/display/JIRA/Changing+the+Project+Key+Format

Niall


Thks,
 Amol


 On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Hitesh Shah hit...@apache.org wrote:

  If there isn’t a char limit on project names in JIRA, wouldn’t it just be
  better to use “APEX-CORE” and “APEX-MALHAR” to match the actual project
  names, repos, etc?
 
  thanks
  — Hitesh
 
  On Aug 11, 2015, at 1:25 PM, Amol Kekre a...@datatorrent.com wrote:
 
   Chris,
   Thanks for articulating what I was going to respond with after talking
 to
   folks here. We indeed see versions for Malhar and Apex differing. We
  expect
   Malhar versions to change much more rapidly than Apex.
  
   Ted,
   We discussed the impact of single jira on versioning.  For example we
   expect Malhar X.0.0 to happen much earlier than Apex X.0.0. There was
   discomfort in naming versions with prefix. The consensus was to have
   version numbers convey stuff. If folks don't have strong opinion on two
   jiras, we would prefer to use two jiras. We have taken up Bertrand's
  scope
   naming and changed the names of jira projects as follows
  
   APX-CORE
   APX-MLHR
  
   I have changed the wiki to reflect the above as jira project names.
  
   Thks,
   Amol
  
  
   On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Chris Nauroth 
  cnaur...@hortonworks.com
   wrote:
  
   One thing to consider is that release version numbers are tied to
  specific
   JIRA projects.  If the intention is for Apex and Malhar version
 numbers
  to
   be independent, then using a single JIRA project could introduce some
  risk
   of confusion if an Apex version number accidentally gets applied to a
   Malhar issue.  It might necessitate prefixing the version numbers with
   apex- and malhar- to differentiate.
  
   Based on that, I have a slight preference for separate JIRA projects.
   However, I don't object to using a single unified JIRA project if
 others
   feel strongly about it.
  
   --Chris Nauroth
  
  
  
  
   On 8/11/15, 8:23 AM, Amol Kekre a...@datatorrent.com wrote:
  
   Ted,
   I agree that repo is more critical than jira instance. I am taking up
  your
   suggesstion with folks and should get back soon.
  
   Thks
   Amol
  
   On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 3:48 AM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
  
   I personally see far less reason for separate JIRA instances than
 git
   repos. Having all jiras under APEX seems a good choice.
  
   Sent from my iPhone
  
   On Aug 11, 2015, at 2:32, Bertrand Delacretaz 
  bdelacre...@apache.org
  
   wrote:
  
   As for JIRA, I would apply the same rule, so APX-CORE and APX-MHAR
   maybe.
  
  
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Re: [DRAFT] August 2015 Board Report - Please Review

2015-08-11 Thread John D. Ament
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 7:10 PM Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Geode was supposed to report - but its not included in the missing reports
 list.


Hmm very good point.  podlings.xml indicates they shouldn't have, but based
on when they entered the incubator they should have.  Even going back to
rev 1 of the page, they are missing.

https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/August2015?action=recallrev=1

So does anyone have any recommendations on how to handle it?  I'll look at
the history to see why they were removed.

John


 Niall



 On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 1:30 AM, John D. Ament johndam...@apache.org
 wrote:

  All,
 
  I'd like to present the draft board report for additional community
 input.
  We have reports expected from 19 podlings, 12 reported, 7 did not.  Of
 the
  7 that did not report, I left in the shepherd comments on 2 (myself and
  Justin Mclean) who had some additional insights on the welfare of the
  podlings in question.
 
  There are multiple podlings without mentor sign off - Blur, ODF Toolkit,
  Twill and Sentry.  Its not too late to sign off, so if you can get those
  signatures in great.  If you cannot, or feel there is an issue with the
  report please bring it up and we'll need to move them to non-reporting.
 
  I've copied the current body below.
 
  = Incubator PMC report for August 2015 =
  === Timeline ===
  ||Wed August 05 ||Podling reports due by end of day ||
  ||Sun August 09 ||Shepherd reviews due by end of day ||
  ||Sun August 09 ||Summary due by end of day ||
  ||Tue August 11 ||Mentor signoff due by end of day ||
  ||Wed August 12 ||Report submitted to Board ||
  ||Wed August 19 ||Board meeting ||
 
 
  === Shepherd Assignments ===
  ||Andrei Savu ||AsterixDB ||
  ||Andrei Savu ||Kylin ||
  ||Drew Farris ||Blur ||
  ||John Ament ||Calcite ||
  ||John Ament ||Droids ||
  ||Justin Mclean ||BatchEE ||
  ||Matthew Franklin ||DataFu ||
  ||Matthew Franklin ||Tamaya ||
  ||Matthew Franklin ||Twill ||
  ||P. Taylor Goetz ||FreeMarker ||
  ||P. Taylor Goetz ||Trafodion ||
  ||Raphael Bircher ||Sirona ||
  ||Raphael Bircher ||Slider ||
  ||Ross Gardler ||Ripple ||
  ||Suresh Marru ||ODF Toolkit ||
  ||Suresh Marru ||REEF ||
  ||Suresh Marru ||TinkerPop ||
  ||Timothy Chen ||Climate Model Diagnostic Analyzer ||
  ||Timothy Chen ||Kalumet ||
 
 
  === Report content ===
  {{{
  Incubator PMC report for August 2015
 
  The Apache Incubator is the entry path into the ASF for projects and
  codebases wishing to become part of the Foundation's efforts.
 
  There are 43 podlings currently under incubation.
 
  * Community
 
New IPMC members:
 
Flavio Junquiero
 
People who left the IPMC:
 
(none)
 
  * New Podlings
 
No new podlings entered the incubator this month.
 
  * Graduations
 
The board has motions for the following:
 
Ignite
 
  * Releases
 
The following releases were made since the last Incubator report:
 
2015-07-27 - apache-brooklyn-0.7.0-incubating
2015-07-24 - Apache-Twill-0.6.0-incubating
2015-07-23 - Apache-Zeppelin-0.5.0-incubating release
2015-07-22 - apache-ripple-emulator-0.9.30-incubating
2015-07-21 - apache-ignite-1.3.0-incubating
2015-07-21 - apache-samoa-0.3.0-incubating
2015-07-21 - apache-kylin-0.7.2-incubating
2015-07-16 - apache-tinkerpop-3.0.0-incubating
2015-07-16 - apache-usergrid-1.0.2-incubating
2015-07-16 - apache-nifi-0.2.0-incubating
2015-07-16 - apache-groovy-2.4.4-incubating
2015-07-16 - apache-lens-2.2.0-beta-incubating
2015-07-09 - apache-sentry-1.5.1-incubating
2015-07-09 - apache-atlas-0.5-incubating
 
  * IP Clearance
 
JBoss HornetQ code grant to the ActiveMQ PMC.
 
  * Legal / Trademarks
 
 
 
  * Infrastructure
 
Marvin board report reminders went out this month.  There was
much rejoicing.
 
  * Miscellaneous
 
* Report Manager: John D. Ament
 
   Summary of podling reports 
 
  * Still getting started at the Incubator
 
AsterixDB
Climate Model Diagnostic Analyzer
DataFu
FreeMarker
 
  * Not yet ready to graduate
 
No release:
 
Blur
Tamaya
 
Community growth:
 
Kylin
Trafodion
Twill
 
  * Ready to graduate
 
Calcite
 
The Board has motions for the following:
 
Ignite
 
  * Did not report, expected next month
 
BatchEE (Shepherd notes remaining)
Droids (Shepherd notes remaining)
Kalumet
REEF
Ripple
Slider
Tinkerpop
 
 
  --
 Table of Contents
  AsterixDB
  BatchEE (notes only)
  Blur
  Calcite
  Climate Model Diagnostic Analyzer
  DataFu
  Droids (notes only)
  FreeMarker
  Kylin
  ODF Toolkit
  Sirona
  Tamaya
  Trafodion
  Twill
 
  --
 
  
  AsterixDB
 
  Apache AsterixDB is a scalable big data management system (BDMS) 

Re: [DISCUSS] Apex Incubation Proposal

2015-08-11 Thread Ted Dunning
Btw this discussion is typical of the ones I have had with Amol. Every
decision has a rationale, or the community is willing to be flexible. The
willingness to listen and to justify decisions bodes very well for an
incubation, I think.





On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 2:08 AM, Amol Kekre a...@datatorrent.com wrote:

  oh! We preferred that during our discussion. Somehow we thought there
 was a
  limit. I have changed it to full names (APEX-CORE, APEX-MALHAR). If there
  is a limit we can reduce the number of chars later. wiki is updated.
 
  https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ApexProposal
 

 Hyphens are not allowed as project keys, but underscore is a possibility.
 The default format is only upper case letters - but you'll need to check
 what ASF has configured.


 https://confluence.atlassian.com/display/JIRA/Changing+the+Project+Key+Format

 Niall


 Thks,
  Amol
 
 
  On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Hitesh Shah hit...@apache.org wrote:
 
   If there isn’t a char limit on project names in JIRA, wouldn’t it just
 be
   better to use “APEX-CORE” and “APEX-MALHAR” to match the actual project
   names, repos, etc?
  
   thanks
   — Hitesh
  
   On Aug 11, 2015, at 1:25 PM, Amol Kekre a...@datatorrent.com wrote:
  
Chris,
Thanks for articulating what I was going to respond with after
 talking
  to
folks here. We indeed see versions for Malhar and Apex differing. We
   expect
Malhar versions to change much more rapidly than Apex.
   
Ted,
We discussed the impact of single jira on versioning.  For example we
expect Malhar X.0.0 to happen much earlier than Apex X.0.0. There was
discomfort in naming versions with prefix. The consensus was to have
version numbers convey stuff. If folks don't have strong opinion on
 two
jiras, we would prefer to use two jiras. We have taken up Bertrand's
   scope
naming and changed the names of jira projects as follows
   
APX-CORE
APX-MLHR
   
I have changed the wiki to reflect the above as jira project names.
   
Thks,
Amol
   
   
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Chris Nauroth 
   cnaur...@hortonworks.com
wrote:
   
One thing to consider is that release version numbers are tied to
   specific
JIRA projects.  If the intention is for Apex and Malhar version
  numbers
   to
be independent, then using a single JIRA project could introduce
 some
   risk
of confusion if an Apex version number accidentally gets applied to
 a
Malhar issue.  It might necessitate prefixing the version numbers
 with
apex- and malhar- to differentiate.
   
Based on that, I have a slight preference for separate JIRA
 projects.
However, I don't object to using a single unified JIRA project if
  others
feel strongly about it.
   
--Chris Nauroth
   
   
   
   
On 8/11/15, 8:23 AM, Amol Kekre a...@datatorrent.com wrote:
   
Ted,
I agree that repo is more critical than jira instance. I am taking
 up
   your
suggesstion with folks and should get back soon.
   
Thks
Amol
   
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 3:48 AM, Ted Dunning 
 ted.dunn...@gmail.com
wrote:
   
   
I personally see far less reason for separate JIRA instances than
  git
repos. Having all jiras under APEX seems a good choice.
   
Sent from my iPhone
   
On Aug 11, 2015, at 2:32, Bertrand Delacretaz 
   bdelacre...@apache.org
   
wrote:
   
As for JIRA, I would apply the same rule, so APX-CORE and
 APX-MHAR
maybe.
   
   
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Re: [DRAFT] August 2015 Board Report - Please Review

2015-08-11 Thread Niall Pemberton
Geode was supposed to report - but its not included in the missing reports
list.

Niall



On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 1:30 AM, John D. Ament johndam...@apache.org
wrote:

 All,

 I'd like to present the draft board report for additional community input.
 We have reports expected from 19 podlings, 12 reported, 7 did not.  Of the
 7 that did not report, I left in the shepherd comments on 2 (myself and
 Justin Mclean) who had some additional insights on the welfare of the
 podlings in question.

 There are multiple podlings without mentor sign off - Blur, ODF Toolkit,
 Twill and Sentry.  Its not too late to sign off, so if you can get those
 signatures in great.  If you cannot, or feel there is an issue with the
 report please bring it up and we'll need to move them to non-reporting.

 I've copied the current body below.

 = Incubator PMC report for August 2015 =
 === Timeline ===
 ||Wed August 05 ||Podling reports due by end of day ||
 ||Sun August 09 ||Shepherd reviews due by end of day ||
 ||Sun August 09 ||Summary due by end of day ||
 ||Tue August 11 ||Mentor signoff due by end of day ||
 ||Wed August 12 ||Report submitted to Board ||
 ||Wed August 19 ||Board meeting ||


 === Shepherd Assignments ===
 ||Andrei Savu ||AsterixDB ||
 ||Andrei Savu ||Kylin ||
 ||Drew Farris ||Blur ||
 ||John Ament ||Calcite ||
 ||John Ament ||Droids ||
 ||Justin Mclean ||BatchEE ||
 ||Matthew Franklin ||DataFu ||
 ||Matthew Franklin ||Tamaya ||
 ||Matthew Franklin ||Twill ||
 ||P. Taylor Goetz ||FreeMarker ||
 ||P. Taylor Goetz ||Trafodion ||
 ||Raphael Bircher ||Sirona ||
 ||Raphael Bircher ||Slider ||
 ||Ross Gardler ||Ripple ||
 ||Suresh Marru ||ODF Toolkit ||
 ||Suresh Marru ||REEF ||
 ||Suresh Marru ||TinkerPop ||
 ||Timothy Chen ||Climate Model Diagnostic Analyzer ||
 ||Timothy Chen ||Kalumet ||


 === Report content ===
 {{{
 Incubator PMC report for August 2015

 The Apache Incubator is the entry path into the ASF for projects and
 codebases wishing to become part of the Foundation's efforts.

 There are 43 podlings currently under incubation.

 * Community

   New IPMC members:

   Flavio Junquiero

   People who left the IPMC:

   (none)

 * New Podlings

   No new podlings entered the incubator this month.

 * Graduations

   The board has motions for the following:

   Ignite

 * Releases

   The following releases were made since the last Incubator report:

   2015-07-27 - apache-brooklyn-0.7.0-incubating
   2015-07-24 - Apache-Twill-0.6.0-incubating
   2015-07-23 - Apache-Zeppelin-0.5.0-incubating release
   2015-07-22 - apache-ripple-emulator-0.9.30-incubating
   2015-07-21 - apache-ignite-1.3.0-incubating
   2015-07-21 - apache-samoa-0.3.0-incubating
   2015-07-21 - apache-kylin-0.7.2-incubating
   2015-07-16 - apache-tinkerpop-3.0.0-incubating
   2015-07-16 - apache-usergrid-1.0.2-incubating
   2015-07-16 - apache-nifi-0.2.0-incubating
   2015-07-16 - apache-groovy-2.4.4-incubating
   2015-07-16 - apache-lens-2.2.0-beta-incubating
   2015-07-09 - apache-sentry-1.5.1-incubating
   2015-07-09 - apache-atlas-0.5-incubating

 * IP Clearance

   JBoss HornetQ code grant to the ActiveMQ PMC.

 * Legal / Trademarks



 * Infrastructure

   Marvin board report reminders went out this month.  There was
   much rejoicing.

 * Miscellaneous

   * Report Manager: John D. Ament

  Summary of podling reports 

 * Still getting started at the Incubator

   AsterixDB
   Climate Model Diagnostic Analyzer
   DataFu
   FreeMarker

 * Not yet ready to graduate

   No release:

   Blur
   Tamaya

   Community growth:

   Kylin
   Trafodion
   Twill

 * Ready to graduate

   Calcite

   The Board has motions for the following:

   Ignite

 * Did not report, expected next month

   BatchEE (Shepherd notes remaining)
   Droids (Shepherd notes remaining)
   Kalumet
   REEF
   Ripple
   Slider
   Tinkerpop


 --
Table of Contents
 AsterixDB
 BatchEE (notes only)
 Blur
 Calcite
 Climate Model Diagnostic Analyzer
 DataFu
 Droids (notes only)
 FreeMarker
 Kylin
 ODF Toolkit
 Sirona
 Tamaya
 Trafodion
 Twill

 --

 
 AsterixDB

 Apache AsterixDB is a scalable big data management system (BDMS) that
 provides storage, management, and query capabilities for large collections
 of semi-structured data.

 AsterixDB has been incubating since 2015-02-28.

 Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:

   1. Migrate issues from Google Code
   2. Do an Apache release.
   3. Grow community

 Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
 aware of?

   1. The most urgent issue right now is to migrate the issues from the
  Google Code tracker to the ASF JIRA (INFRA-9954) as Google Code turns
  read-only on Aug 24. The issue was open with sporadic activity for
  some time. 

Re: [DISCUSS] Apex Incubation Proposal

2015-08-11 Thread Amol Kekre
Niall,
Thanks for catching. I replaced '-' with '_' as per atlassian policy. I am
suspecting that ASF does not allow '_' as none of the project keys have
'_'. I have added a comment that '_' can be removed if that is the policy.
Wiki updated.

Thks,
Amol


On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 2:08 AM, Amol Kekre a...@datatorrent.com wrote:

  oh! We preferred that during our discussion. Somehow we thought there
 was a
  limit. I have changed it to full names (APEX-CORE, APEX-MALHAR). If there
  is a limit we can reduce the number of chars later. wiki is updated.
 
  https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ApexProposal
 

 Hyphens are not allowed as project keys, but underscore is a possibility.
 The default format is only upper case letters - but you'll need to check
 what ASF has configured.


 https://confluence.atlassian.com/display/JIRA/Changing+the+Project+Key+Format

 Niall


 Thks,
  Amol
 
 
  On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Hitesh Shah hit...@apache.org wrote:
 
   If there isn’t a char limit on project names in JIRA, wouldn’t it just
 be
   better to use “APEX-CORE” and “APEX-MALHAR” to match the actual project
   names, repos, etc?
  
   thanks
   — Hitesh
  
   On Aug 11, 2015, at 1:25 PM, Amol Kekre a...@datatorrent.com wrote:
  
Chris,
Thanks for articulating what I was going to respond with after
 talking
  to
folks here. We indeed see versions for Malhar and Apex differing. We
   expect
Malhar versions to change much more rapidly than Apex.
   
Ted,
We discussed the impact of single jira on versioning.  For example we
expect Malhar X.0.0 to happen much earlier than Apex X.0.0. There was
discomfort in naming versions with prefix. The consensus was to have
version numbers convey stuff. If folks don't have strong opinion on
 two
jiras, we would prefer to use two jiras. We have taken up Bertrand's
   scope
naming and changed the names of jira projects as follows
   
APX-CORE
APX-MLHR
   
I have changed the wiki to reflect the above as jira project names.
   
Thks,
Amol
   
   
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Chris Nauroth 
   cnaur...@hortonworks.com
wrote:
   
One thing to consider is that release version numbers are tied to
   specific
JIRA projects.  If the intention is for Apex and Malhar version
  numbers
   to
be independent, then using a single JIRA project could introduce
 some
   risk
of confusion if an Apex version number accidentally gets applied to
 a
Malhar issue.  It might necessitate prefixing the version numbers
 with
apex- and malhar- to differentiate.
   
Based on that, I have a slight preference for separate JIRA
 projects.
However, I don't object to using a single unified JIRA project if
  others
feel strongly about it.
   
--Chris Nauroth
   
   
   
   
On 8/11/15, 8:23 AM, Amol Kekre a...@datatorrent.com wrote:
   
Ted,
I agree that repo is more critical than jira instance. I am taking
 up
   your
suggesstion with folks and should get back soon.
   
Thks
Amol
   
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 3:48 AM, Ted Dunning 
 ted.dunn...@gmail.com
wrote:
   
   
I personally see far less reason for separate JIRA instances than
  git
repos. Having all jiras under APEX seems a good choice.
   
Sent from my iPhone
   
On Aug 11, 2015, at 2:32, Bertrand Delacretaz 
   bdelacre...@apache.org
   
wrote:
   
As for JIRA, I would apply the same rule, so APX-CORE and
 APX-MHAR
maybe.
   
   
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Re: [DRAFT] August 2015 Board Report - Please Review

2015-08-11 Thread Niall Pemberton
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 12:47 AM, John D. Ament johndam...@apache.org
wrote:

 On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 7:43 PM Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com
 wrote:

  On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 4:31 PM, John D. Ament johndam...@apache.org
  wrote:
   On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 7:10 PM Niall Pemberton 
  niall.pember...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
   Geode was supposed to report - but its not included in the missing
  reports
   list.
  
   Hmm very good point.  podlings.xml indicates they shouldn't have, but
  based
   on when they entered the incubator they should have.  Even going back
 to
   rev 1 of the page, they are missing.
  
   https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/August2015?action=recallrev=1
  
   So does anyone have any recommendations on how to handle it?  I'll look
  at
   the history to see why they were removed.
 
  Geode's entry in podlings.xml indicated that they were to be monthly
  for May, June, July.  Therefore, I removed them this month -- and
  specifically sent an email telling them not to report, since the
  report reminder had already gone out.
 

 Yep, just got to the same conclusion.  It happens.  For those interested,
 here's the commit that removed them.


 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/public/trunk/content/podlings.xml?r1=1692672r2=1692887pathrev=1695191

 and the May report, which includes them as a new podling but no report from
 them.

 http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/May2015


 
  It turns out that Geode did not report in May, so they only filed
  monthly for two months.
 
  It's too late for this report cycle.  Their next scheduled report will
  be in October.
 

 Agreed.


 
  I think the decision to file an out-of-cycle report in September
  should be left to Geode's Mentors.
 

 Agreed, though I would urge their mentors to decide that a special report
 should be filed in September.


I don't agree. If Geode was a TLP the board would have asked them to report
the next month - and we should treat them the same way. They're supposed to
know when they should report and thats usually the attitude the board
expresses to missed reports. Also, the mentors didn't pick up the fact
they'd only filed two monthly reports - so I think we (IPMC) should require
it. This is a good learning experience :)

Niall


 
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