Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CarbonData podling graduation
I think the wording needs tuning, and my own interpretation of the intent has been, Project claims itself to comply, and list any exceptions and why that is the case. I think that can deal with the invariance that exists. Cheers Niclas On Mar 7, 2017 14:48, "Jim Apple"wrote: > > Actually, the Maturity Model can be a very nice framework to organize > > incubation around. > > If you're talking about a platonic MM, then I agree. If you are > talking about the MM at > https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html > , > I think it needs to be much more carefully written and much more > accurate to be a "nice framework". In particular, "aims to capture the > invariants of Apache projects ... A mature Apache project complies > with all the elements of this model" is wishful thinking or outdated > or both. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CarbonData podling graduation
> Actually, the Maturity Model can be a very nice framework to organize > incubation around. If you're talking about a platonic MM, then I agree. If you are talking about the MM at https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html, I think it needs to be much more carefully written and much more accurate to be a "nice framework". In particular, "aims to capture the invariants of Apache projects ... A mature Apache project complies with all the elements of this model" is wishful thinking or outdated or both. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CarbonData podling graduation
On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 11:45 PM, Bertrand Delacretazwrote: > On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré > wrote: >> ...To prepare this discussion, I prepared a self-assessment against the >> Maturity Model: >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=68714623 > ... > > Thanks! This helps build confidence about graduating CarbonData, I'm > +1 for that. +1 On https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-287 I wrote the following, which sounds harsh and may have resulted in a miscommunication: The Incubator itself does not require that podlings assess progress using the Maturity Model. If there are podlings or Mentors who need to be disabused of such a notion, that education work needs to happen in the Incubator's own forums. It's only a problem when a podling treats the Maturity Model and its soft criteria as hard requirements and lets progress be blocked. That's a misapplication of the Maturity Model itself (and arguably shows that the project is not mature). Mature contributors understand how to avoid getting hung up unnecessarily. Actually, the Maturity Model can be a very nice framework to organize incubation around. (Moreso than, say, an enumeration of our policies, which would overemphasize rules.) The Incubator might not formally integrate the Maturity Model today, but perhaps that could change. Marvin Humphrey - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CarbonData podling graduation
Hi, I will prepare a resolution proposal later today and submit for review on the PPMC. Thanks, Regards JB On 03/02/2017 07:49 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: Hi all, Apache CarbonData started incubation in June '16. CarbonData did (and still doing) great moves: several releases, website, documentation, new features, community grow, new committers. I think it's time to discuss the graduation of CarbonData. To prepare this discussion, I prepared a self-assessment against the Maturity Model: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=68714623 You can find the discussion between the PPMC, including some numbers about the podling activity here: http://apache-carbondata-mailing-list-archive.1130556.n5.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Graduation-to-a-TLP-Top-Level-Project-td7715.html If we were to graduate, the CarbonData PPMC recommends the following information for the Board resolution: * Project Name: Apache CarbonData * Project description and scope: Apache CarbonData is an indexed columnar data format for fast analytics on big data platform, e.g. Apache Hadoop, Apache Spark, etc. * PMC composition: * Liang Chen * Jean-Baptiste Onofré * Henry Saputra * Uma Maheswara Rao G * Jenny MA * Jacky Li * Vimal Das Kammath * Jarray Qiu Any thoughts, comments, questions ? Thanks ! Regards JB -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré jbono...@apache.org http://blog.nanthrax.net Talend - http://www.talend.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CarbonData podling graduation
On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofréwrote: > ...To prepare this discussion, I prepared a self-assessment against the > Maturity Model: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=68714623 ... Thanks! This helps build confidence about graduating CarbonData, I'm +1 for that. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CarbonData podling graduation
Gently reminder of this thread. I'm preparing the resolution. Please, let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thanks ! Regards JB On 03/02/2017 07:49 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: Hi all, Apache CarbonData started incubation in June '16. CarbonData did (and still doing) great moves: several releases, website, documentation, new features, community grow, new committers. I think it's time to discuss the graduation of CarbonData. To prepare this discussion, I prepared a self-assessment against the Maturity Model: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=68714623 You can find the discussion between the PPMC, including some numbers about the podling activity here: http://apache-carbondata-mailing-list-archive.1130556.n5.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Graduation-to-a-TLP-Top-Level-Project-td7715.html If we were to graduate, the CarbonData PPMC recommends the following information for the Board resolution: * Project Name: Apache CarbonData * Project description and scope: Apache CarbonData is an indexed columnar data format for fast analytics on big data platform, e.g. Apache Hadoop, Apache Spark, etc. * PMC composition: * Liang Chen * Jean-Baptiste Onofré * Henry Saputra * Uma Maheswara Rao G * Jenny MA * Jacky Li * Vimal Das Kammath * Jarray Qiu Any thoughts, comments, questions ? Thanks ! Regards JB -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré jbono...@apache.org http://blog.nanthrax.net Talend - http://www.talend.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CarbonData podling graduation
Thanks Liang, I forgot the patch release ! Regards JB On 03/02/2017 02:47 PM, Liang Chen wrote: Hi Thanks JB and John. A little update from my side : There are 4 releases, detail at : http://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/carbondata/ and 4 new committers(ravipesala,gvramana,kumarvishal09,Hexiaoqiao), here is the detail of PPMC and committers : https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CARBONDATA/PPMC+and+Committers+member+list. Yes, No new PPMC members. Regards Liang Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote Hi John, You are right for maturity model. However, we used more as a checklist ;) It's actually 3 releases and 4 new committers (I'm updating the podling XML now). No new PPMC members. Regards JB On 03/02/2017 02:23 PM, John D. Ament wrote: I'd be happy to see you guys graduate. I'll point out that the maturity model is not a requirement for graduation. I see that you had 2 releases, and 3 new committers. No new PPMC members? John On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 1:49 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré jb@ wrote: Hi all, Apache CarbonData started incubation in June '16. CarbonData did (and still doing) great moves: several releases, website, documentation, new features, community grow, new committers. I think it's time to discuss the graduation of CarbonData. To prepare this discussion, I prepared a self-assessment against the Maturity Model: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=68714623 You can find the discussion between the PPMC, including some numbers about the podling activity here: http://apache-carbondata-mailing-list-archive.1130556.n5.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Graduation-to-a-TLP-Top-Level-Project-td7715.html If we were to graduate, the CarbonData PPMC recommends the following information for the Board resolution: * Project Name: Apache CarbonData * Project description and scope: Apache CarbonData is an indexed columnar data format for fast analytics on big data platform, e.g. Apache Hadoop, Apache Spark, etc. * PMC composition: * Liang Chen * Jean-Baptiste Onofré * Henry Saputra * Uma Maheswara Rao G * Jenny MA * Jacky Li * Vimal Das Kammath * Jarray Qiu Any thoughts, comments, questions ? Thanks ! Regards JB -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré jbonofre@ http://blog.nanthrax.net Talend - http://www.talend.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@.apache For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@.apache -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré jbonofre@ http://blog.nanthrax.net Talend - http://www.talend.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@.apache For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@.apache -- View this message in context: http://apache-incubator-general.996316.n3.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Apache-CarbonData-podling-graduation-tp53976p53980.html Sent from the Apache Incubator - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré jbono...@apache.org http://blog.nanthrax.net Talend - http://www.talend.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CarbonData podling graduation
Hi Thanks JB and John. A little update from my side : There are 4 releases, detail at : http://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/carbondata/ and 4 new committers(ravipesala,gvramana,kumarvishal09,Hexiaoqiao), here is the detail of PPMC and committers : https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CARBONDATA/PPMC+and+Committers+member+list. Yes, No new PPMC members. Regards Liang Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote > Hi John, > > You are right for maturity model. However, we used more as a checklist ;) > > It's actually 3 releases and 4 new committers (I'm updating the podling > XML now). No new PPMC members. > > Regards > JB > > On 03/02/2017 02:23 PM, John D. Ament wrote: >> I'd be happy to see you guys graduate. I'll point out that the maturity >> model is not a requirement for graduation. I see that you had 2 >> releases, >> and 3 new committers. No new PPMC members? >> >> John >> >> On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 1:49 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré > jb@ > wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Apache CarbonData started incubation in June '16. CarbonData did (and >>> still doing) great moves: several releases, website, documentation, new >>> features, community grow, new committers. >>> >>> I think it's time to discuss the graduation of CarbonData. >>> >>> To prepare this discussion, I prepared a self-assessment against the >>> Maturity Model: >>> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=68714623 >>> >>> You can find the discussion between the PPMC, including some numbers >>> about the podling activity here: >>> >>> >>> http://apache-carbondata-mailing-list-archive.1130556.n5.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Graduation-to-a-TLP-Top-Level-Project-td7715.html >>> >>> If we were to graduate, the CarbonData PPMC recommends the following >>> information for the Board resolution: >>> * Project Name: Apache CarbonData >>> * Project description and scope: Apache CarbonData is an >>> indexed columnar data format for fast analytics on big data platform, >>> e.g. Apache Hadoop, Apache Spark, etc. >>> * PMC composition: >>> * Liang Chen >>> * Jean-Baptiste Onofré >>> * Henry Saputra >>> * Uma Maheswara Rao G >>> * Jenny MA >>> * Jacky Li >>> * Vimal Das Kammath >>> * Jarray Qiu >>> >>> Any thoughts, comments, questions ? >>> >>> Thanks ! >>> >>> Regards >>> JB >>> -- >>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré >>> > jbonofre@ >>> http://blog.nanthrax.net >>> Talend - http://www.talend.com >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > general-unsubscribe@.apache >>> For additional commands, e-mail: > general-help@.apache >>> >>> >> > > -- > Jean-Baptiste Onofré > jbonofre@ > http://blog.nanthrax.net > Talend - http://www.talend.com > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > general-unsubscribe@.apache > For additional commands, e-mail: > general-help@.apache -- View this message in context: http://apache-incubator-general.996316.n3.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Apache-CarbonData-podling-graduation-tp53976p53980.html Sent from the Apache Incubator - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CarbonData podling graduation
Hi John, You are right for maturity model. However, we used more as a checklist ;) It's actually 3 releases and 4 new committers (I'm updating the podling XML now). No new PPMC members. Regards JB On 03/02/2017 02:23 PM, John D. Ament wrote: I'd be happy to see you guys graduate. I'll point out that the maturity model is not a requirement for graduation. I see that you had 2 releases, and 3 new committers. No new PPMC members? John On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 1:49 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofréwrote: Hi all, Apache CarbonData started incubation in June '16. CarbonData did (and still doing) great moves: several releases, website, documentation, new features, community grow, new committers. I think it's time to discuss the graduation of CarbonData. To prepare this discussion, I prepared a self-assessment against the Maturity Model: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=68714623 You can find the discussion between the PPMC, including some numbers about the podling activity here: http://apache-carbondata-mailing-list-archive.1130556.n5.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Graduation-to-a-TLP-Top-Level-Project-td7715.html If we were to graduate, the CarbonData PPMC recommends the following information for the Board resolution: * Project Name: Apache CarbonData * Project description and scope: Apache CarbonData is an indexed columnar data format for fast analytics on big data platform, e.g. Apache Hadoop, Apache Spark, etc. * PMC composition: * Liang Chen * Jean-Baptiste Onofré * Henry Saputra * Uma Maheswara Rao G * Jenny MA * Jacky Li * Vimal Das Kammath * Jarray Qiu Any thoughts, comments, questions ? Thanks ! Regards JB -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré jbono...@apache.org http://blog.nanthrax.net Talend - http://www.talend.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré jbono...@apache.org http://blog.nanthrax.net Talend - http://www.talend.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Apache CarbonData podling graduation
I'd be happy to see you guys graduate. I'll point out that the maturity model is not a requirement for graduation. I see that you had 2 releases, and 3 new committers. No new PPMC members? John On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 1:49 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofréwrote: > Hi all, > > Apache CarbonData started incubation in June '16. CarbonData did (and > still doing) great moves: several releases, website, documentation, new > features, community grow, new committers. > > I think it's time to discuss the graduation of CarbonData. > > To prepare this discussion, I prepared a self-assessment against the > Maturity Model: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=68714623 > > You can find the discussion between the PPMC, including some numbers > about the podling activity here: > > > http://apache-carbondata-mailing-list-archive.1130556.n5.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Graduation-to-a-TLP-Top-Level-Project-td7715.html > > If we were to graduate, the CarbonData PPMC recommends the following > information for the Board resolution: > * Project Name: Apache CarbonData > * Project description and scope: Apache CarbonData is an > indexed columnar data format for fast analytics on big data platform, > e.g. Apache Hadoop, Apache Spark, etc. > * PMC composition: > * Liang Chen > * Jean-Baptiste Onofré > * Henry Saputra > * Uma Maheswara Rao G > * Jenny MA > * Jacky Li > * Vimal Das Kammath > * Jarray Qiu > > Any thoughts, comments, questions ? > > Thanks ! > > Regards > JB > -- > Jean-Baptiste Onofré > jbono...@apache.org > http://blog.nanthrax.net > Talend - http://www.talend.com > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
[DISCUSS] Apache CarbonData podling graduation
Hi all, Apache CarbonData started incubation in June '16. CarbonData did (and still doing) great moves: several releases, website, documentation, new features, community grow, new committers. I think it's time to discuss the graduation of CarbonData. To prepare this discussion, I prepared a self-assessment against the Maturity Model: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=68714623 You can find the discussion between the PPMC, including some numbers about the podling activity here: http://apache-carbondata-mailing-list-archive.1130556.n5.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Graduation-to-a-TLP-Top-Level-Project-td7715.html If we were to graduate, the CarbonData PPMC recommends the following information for the Board resolution: * Project Name: Apache CarbonData * Project description and scope: Apache CarbonData is an indexed columnar data format for fast analytics on big data platform, e.g. Apache Hadoop, Apache Spark, etc. * PMC composition: * Liang Chen * Jean-Baptiste Onofré * Henry Saputra * Uma Maheswara Rao G * Jenny MA * Jacky Li * Vimal Das Kammath * Jarray Qiu Any thoughts, comments, questions ? Thanks ! Regards JB -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré jbono...@apache.org http://blog.nanthrax.net Talend - http://www.talend.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org