Re: [all] Size of releases
On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > Christian Grobmeier wrote on Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 00:22:19 +0200: >> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Daniel Shahaf >> wrote: >> > Jukka Zitting wrote on Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 22:34:30 +0200: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Christian Grobmeier >> >> wrote: >> >> > I will try to update this document now with the recommendation from >> >> > infra: >> >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#release-distribution >> >> >> >> While you're at it, can you please also (or rather instead) update the >> >> ASF-wide documentation at http://www.apache.org/dev/#releases? >> >> >> >> This isn't particularly tied to the Incubator, so the primary place >> >> for the relevant guidance shouldn't IMHO be incubator.apache.org. Most >> >> notably the IPMC shouldn't be responsible for updating this >> >> information in case the related infra policies change. >> >> >> > >> > Yes it's on infra's radar to document the "some releases are large >> > enough to need coordination with us" point. We've been busy so haven't >> > got to it yet >> >> Please let us know if you have found some time, then we can point from >> our release-docs to your document. > > http://www.apache.org/dev/release#heads-up Thank you, I have linked this document in the "release management" guide. Cheers Christian > % $svn di > Index: release.mdtext > === > --- release.mdtext (revision 1311120) > +++ release.mdtext (revision 1311121) > @@ -222,6 +222,18 @@ > their dist/ dir. To transition just open a Jira ticket and specify: (1) what > mailing list commit mails should go to. > > +## Do I need to talk to Infrastructure before distributing a release? > {#heads-up} > + > +Most projects can just distribute a release as described in the previous two > +questions. However, releases that are likely to strain the mirroring and > +download resources **must** be coordinated with infrastructure. > + > +Releases of more than 1GB of artifacts require a heads-up to Infrastructure > in > +advance. > + > +Specific exemptions from other dist policies (such as what may or must or > must > +not be distributed via the mirrors) also need to be coordinated with > Infrastructure. > + > ## How Should Releases Be Announced? ## {#release-announcements} > > Please ensure that you wait at least 24 hours after uploading a new release -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [all] Size of releases
Christian Grobmeier wrote on Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 00:22:19 +0200: > On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Daniel Shahaf > wrote: > > Jukka Zitting wrote on Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 22:34:30 +0200: > >> Hi, > >> > >> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Christian Grobmeier > >> wrote: > >> > I will try to update this document now with the recommendation from > >> > infra: > >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#release-distribution > >> > >> While you're at it, can you please also (or rather instead) update the > >> ASF-wide documentation at http://www.apache.org/dev/#releases? > >> > >> This isn't particularly tied to the Incubator, so the primary place > >> for the relevant guidance shouldn't IMHO be incubator.apache.org. Most > >> notably the IPMC shouldn't be responsible for updating this > >> information in case the related infra policies change. > >> > > > > Yes it's on infra's radar to document the "some releases are large > > enough to need coordination with us" point. We've been busy so haven't > > got to it yet > > Please let us know if you have found some time, then we can point from > our release-docs to your document. http://www.apache.org/dev/release#heads-up % $svn di Index: release.mdtext === --- release.mdtext (revision 1311120) +++ release.mdtext (revision 1311121) @@ -222,6 +222,18 @@ their dist/ dir. To transition just open a Jira ticket and specify: (1) what mailing list commit mails should go to. +## Do I need to talk to Infrastructure before distributing a release? {#heads-up} + +Most projects can just distribute a release as described in the previous two +questions. However, releases that are likely to strain the mirroring and +download resources **must** be coordinated with infrastructure. + +Releases of more than 1GB of artifacts require a heads-up to Infrastructure in +advance. + +Specific exemptions from other dist policies (such as what may or must or must +not be distributed via the mirrors) also need to be coordinated with Infrastructure. + ## How Should Releases Be Announced? ## {#release-announcements} Please ensure that you wait at least 24 hours after uploading a new release - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [all] Size of releases
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > Jukka Zitting wrote on Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 22:34:30 +0200: >> Hi, >> >> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Christian Grobmeier >> wrote: >> > I will try to update this document now with the recommendation from infra: >> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#release-distribution >> >> While you're at it, can you please also (or rather instead) update the >> ASF-wide documentation at http://www.apache.org/dev/#releases? >> >> This isn't particularly tied to the Incubator, so the primary place >> for the relevant guidance shouldn't IMHO be incubator.apache.org. Most >> notably the IPMC shouldn't be responsible for updating this >> information in case the related infra policies change. >> > > Yes it's on infra's radar to document the "some releases are large > enough to need coordination with us" point. We've been busy so haven't > got to it yet Please let us know if you have found some time, then we can point from our release-docs to your document. Cheers Christian >> BR, >> >> Jukka Zitting >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [all] Size of releases
Jukka Zitting wrote on Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 22:34:30 +0200: > Hi, > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Christian Grobmeier > wrote: > > I will try to update this document now with the recommendation from infra: > > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#release-distribution > > While you're at it, can you please also (or rather instead) update the > ASF-wide documentation at http://www.apache.org/dev/#releases? > > This isn't particularly tied to the Incubator, so the primary place > for the relevant guidance shouldn't IMHO be incubator.apache.org. Most > notably the IPMC shouldn't be responsible for updating this > information in case the related infra policies change. > Yes it's on infra's radar to document the "some releases are large enough to need coordination with us" point. We've been busy so haven't got to it yet > BR, > > Jukka Zitting > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [all] Size of releases
Hi, On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > can you agree? Sure, no problem. I just want to avoid having us documenting specific limits (the mentioned 1GB) that, as Joe said, are already becoming outdated. BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [all] Size of releases
Jukka, On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: >> I will try to update this document now with the recommendation from infra: >> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#release-distribution > > While you're at it, can you please also (or rather instead) update the > ASF-wide documentation at http://www.apache.org/dev/#releases? > > This isn't particularly tied to the Incubator, so the primary place > for the relevant guidance shouldn't IMHO be incubator.apache.org. Most > notably the IPMC shouldn't be responsible for updating this > information in case the related infra policies change. it is not really a policy, it was more a recommendation. IMHO it is not necessary to look at the global website here. TLD projects already have learned about the mirroring system or know how to ask. It is very unlikely that an existing project suddenly extends the binaries extraordinary. It is more likely, that new projects which just started with the ASF don't have a clue about the mirroring system and how it all works. Once they have done their first releases, everything should go pretty well - we mentors should just catch the exceptions and make sure we educate them proper on the mirroring system. That being said, if an incubator release is > 1 GB we should ask the podling about that, no matter if there are problems with mirrors or not (personal note). BTW, I am not speaking for infra here, just want to help avoid nasty situations were some poor infra guys are waked by a Nagios alarm. can you agree? Cheers Christian > > BR, > > Jukka Zitting > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [all] Size of releases
Can I please once again suggest that some of the enthusiasm for promoting the 1GB estimate I gave be tempered a bit with the morerealistic circumstance that this will all soon be a non-issue again once we've sorted out OpenOffice over the coming days and weeks? The bigtop situation is rather unique to bigtop's goals and shouldn't be used as a barometer for what "normal" release processes should be bothering with. In short, nothing to see here. No need to start blabbering about mirror limits on official documentation, etc. A sanity guideline in the incubator docs is entirely enough already. > > From: Jukka Zitting >To: general@incubator.apache.org >Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:34 PM >Subject: Re: [all] Size of releases > >Hi, > >On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Christian Grobmeier > wrote: >> I will try to update this document now with the recommendation from infra: >> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#release-distribution > >While you're at it, can you please also (or rather instead) update the >ASF-wide documentation at http://www.apache.org/dev/#releases? > >This isn't particularly tied to the Incubator, so the primary place >for the relevant guidance shouldn't IMHO be incubator.apache.org. Most >notably the IPMC shouldn't be responsible for updating this >information in case the related infra policies change. > >BR, > >Jukka Zitting > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > >
Re: [all] Size of releases
Hi, On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > I will try to update this document now with the recommendation from infra: > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#release-distribution While you're at it, can you please also (or rather instead) update the ASF-wide documentation at http://www.apache.org/dev/#releases? This isn't particularly tied to the Incubator, so the primary place for the relevant guidance shouldn't IMHO be incubator.apache.org. Most notably the IPMC shouldn't be responsible for updating this information in case the related infra policies change. BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [all] Size of releases
On 28 March 2012 17:19, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > Hello, > > today the size of releases were discussed. If your podling release > exceeds 1 GB of (total) size, please inform infra. They probably need > to coordinate such releases to prevent problems with our mirrors. And please remember to remove superseded releases once a new release has been out a few days. Old releases are always available from http://archive.apache.org/dist/ The mirroring system should only be used to serve the current release. > I will try to update this document now with the recommendation from infra: > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#release-distribution > > Cheers, > Christian > > -- > http://www.grobmeier.de > https://www.timeandbill.de > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
[all] Size of releases
Hello, today the size of releases were discussed. If your podling release exceeds 1 GB of (total) size, please inform infra. They probably need to coordinate such releases to prevent problems with our mirrors. I will try to update this document now with the recommendation from infra: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#release-distribution Cheers, Christian -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org