Re: [doc] are board resolutions ok for http://incubator.apache.org/official/...?
On 8/30/06, Leo Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 08:30:32AM -0700, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > I just don't see the cause for your angst here. -- justin And I just don't see any reason to keep things private. Private ~= bad, when it can be avoided. Basic way to keep a distributed volunteer organisation transparent. Etc etc. We're obviously not communicating well. I'll let Robert figure out what he wanted and argue a specific point. Sorry for the mess. i suspect that the documents are not actually official minutes until they have been approved. to publicise private drafts would be misleading. i wanted to include some resolutions about mailing lists (naming and so on) from months and months ago so that should be fine. - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [doc] are board resolutions ok for http://incubator.apache.org/official/...?
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 08:30:32AM -0700, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > I just don't see the cause for your angst here. -- justin And I just don't see any reason to keep things private. Private ~= bad, when it can be avoided. Basic way to keep a distributed volunteer organisation transparent. Etc etc. We're obviously not communicating well. I'll let Robert figure out what he wanted and argue a specific point. Sorry for the mess. LSD - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [doc] are board resolutions ok for http://incubator.apache.org/official/...?
On 8/29/06, Leo Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Huh? Why? What kind of data is in there that needs to be private? You mean wait 9 months for a TLP to start operating? Or wait implementing new legal policies for about 6 months are they're ratifieid? Huh? The minutes are generally approved at the following month's board meeting (yes, there are occasional exceptions). But, until either the minutes are approved by the Board or the Chairman explicitly permits otherwise, I don't think the full text of the resolutions and their accompanying votes should be posted on a public ASF website. Once the minutes are approved though, it's obviously fair game. As I understood Robert, this had nothing to do with informing people that "The Board created TLP X", but rather disclosing the full text of the resolution for informational purposes. I just don't see the cause for your angst here. -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [doc] are board resolutions ok for http://incubator.apache.org/official/...?
On 8/29/06, Leo Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (moved from [EMAIL PROTECTED] since I imagine some people want to say something who don't read that) ? Um, I don't think you moved it anywhere. ;-) On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 11:39:52AM -0700, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > On 8/28/06, robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >i have one or two board resolutions that it would be a good idea to > >bring to the attention of new podlings. since it's board policy, i > >think it'd be better to link to html documents containing the actual > >content rather a second hand account. > > > >can anyone think of any reason why board resolutions should be private...? > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/calendar.html > > (They should generally be treated as private until the minutes are > approved and posted there.) Huh? Why? What kind of data is in there that needs to be private? You mean wait 9 months for a TLP to start operating? Or wait implementing new legal policies for about 6 months are they're ratifieid? If, after a board meeting, there was some kind of (short or long) notification that a particular resolution was made/tabled/rejected, I think you could trust the board@ people to be reasonable and appropriate about disclosing that information, sometimes including the full text of the resolution. That's certainly how I've seen things happen over the last few years (even if the result of board meetings is not always reported informally, when it is, that usually prompts near-immediate action). For example, I think loads of TLPs list their "Creation resolution", and I think most of them did that before it was in the official minutes. Similarly, I'll bet we had the ASLv1.1 -> ALv2 conversion well underway before it appeared in the minutes. Up to about a year ago, board summaries were sent to committers@, and so were public. Since then, they've been sent to members@ instead, making them private. I don't know the reason for the change, but if they went back to being public again, I would expect that pieces of them could be extracted and used as they used to be. -- Martin Cooper LSD - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [doc] are board resolutions ok for http://incubator.apache.org/official/...?
(moved from [EMAIL PROTECTED] since I imagine some people want to say something who don't read that) On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 11:39:52AM -0700, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > On 8/28/06, robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >i have one or two board resolutions that it would be a good idea to > >bring to the attention of new podlings. since it's board policy, i > >think it'd be better to link to html documents containing the actual > >content rather a second hand account. > > > >can anyone think of any reason why board resolutions should be private...? > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/calendar.html > > (They should generally be treated as private until the minutes are > approved and posted there.) Huh? Why? What kind of data is in there that needs to be private? You mean wait 9 months for a TLP to start operating? Or wait implementing new legal policies for about 6 months are they're ratifieid? If, after a board meeting, there was some kind of (short or long) notification that a particular resolution was made/tabled/rejected, I think you could trust the board@ people to be reasonable and appropriate about disclosing that information, sometimes including the full text of the resolution. That's certainly how I've seen things happen over the last few years (even if the result of board meetings is not always reported informally, when it is, that usually prompts near-immediate action). For example, I think loads of TLPs list their "Creation resolution", and I think most of them did that before it was in the official minutes. Similarly, I'll bet we had the ASLv1.1 -> ALv2 conversion well underway before it appeared in the minutes. LSD - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [doc] are board resolutions ok for http://incubator.apache.org/official/...?
On 8/28/06, robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i have one or two board resolutions that it would be a good idea to bring to the attention of new podlings. since it's board policy, i think it'd be better to link to html documents containing the actual content rather a second hand account. can anyone think of any reason why board resolutions should be private...? http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/calendar.html (They should generally be treated as private until the minutes are approved and posted there.) HTH. -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[doc] are board resolutions ok for http://incubator.apache.org/official/...?
i have one or two board resolutions that it would be a good idea to bring to the attention of new podlings. since it's board policy, i think it'd be better to link to html documents containing the actual content rather a second hand account. can anyone think of any reason why board resolutions should be private...? - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
