Re: Is Livy podling still active?
Apache Linkis(incubating) is also an option for a multi-tenant REST gateway for big data engines. Linkis builds a computation middle-ware layer to decouple the upper applications and the underlying data engines, provides standardized interfaces (REST, JDBC, WebSocket etc.) to easily connect to various underlying engines (Spark, Presto, Flink, etc.), while enables cross engine context sharing, unified job& engine governance and orchestration. [1]https://linkis.apache.org/ Shuai Di Best Regards. Shuai Di Best Regards. Jean-Baptiste Onofré 于2022年7月25日周一 13:09写道： > Hi Larry, > > Already sent several messages about Livy to try to revive the podling > and eventually move forward to the graduation. > > Unfortunately, I didn't have feedback. So, imho, it will be hard to > build a community (especially contributors) around Livy. That's why, > IPMC are discussing about retiring the podling. > > Regards > JB > > On Sat, Jul 23, 2022 at 5:27 PM larry mccay wrote: > > > > Haven't seen any additional movement on this thread. > > Just curious whether anyone has considered a graduation into an existing > > TLP like Spark which would be very appropriate. > > > > Interesting and well stated post on the need for Livy here: > > > https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-6953087197935763456-yoDW/?utm_source=linkedin_share_medium=member_desktop_web > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 4, 2022 at 9:55 AM larry mccay wrote: > > > > > I would be willing to join livy as a committer and mentor in a reboot > if > > > there is interest. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 4, 2022, 3:05 AM Calvin Kirs wrote: > > > > > >> We had discussions last year, graduate or retire[1], but the project > > >> still keep has remained downturn. > > >> > > >> Therefore, I agree to retire. > > >> > > >> [1]https://lists.apache.org/thread/3w2bbotwqr8sr59ojhqkcwt3p9wbq793 > > >> > > >> Jean-Baptiste Onofré 于2022年7月4日周一 13:30写道： > > >> > > > >> > Agree to move forward with a formal retirement vote. > > >> > > > >> > Regards > > >> > JB > > >> > > > >> > On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 12:13 AM John D. Ament < > johndam...@apache.org> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > Hi all > > >> > > > > >> > > Based on the discussions, it seems like we should start a formal > > >> retirement > > >> > > vote. I will plan to start it within the next couple of days > unless > > >> > > someone else does. > > >> > > > > >> > > John > > >> > > > > >> > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 9:38 AM sebb wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > > On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 at 13:27, Jean-Baptiste Onofré < > j...@nanthrax.net> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Hi, > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > AFAIR, a report has been submitted since. Report on cwiki > doesn't > > >> mean > > >> > > > > it's the last send, we should check in the incubator board > report. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > It's true that Livy is a "stable" project and kind of "mature" > > >> > > > > podling. IMHO, it should have graduated to TLP. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Huh? > > >> > > > That would require an active PMC, for which there is little > > >> evidence. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > As said, I tried to restart podling activity, but I didn't > get a > > >> lot > > >> > > > > of updates: most people are Livy users but they don't seem to > > >> want to > > >> > > > > become contributors. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Nor does anyone seem to want to deal with issues. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Regards > > >> > > > > JB > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:56 AM Javi Roman < > javiro...@apache.org> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Hi community! > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > I see that the project is losing interest from the > community, > > >> however > > >> > > > it is > > >> > > > > > a project widely used by companies (I know personally). It > is a > > >> pity > > >> > > > that > > >> > > > > > the project may die. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > In my opinion one of the first actions to take is to > recreate > > >> the > > >> > > > reports > > >> > > > > > correctly (Podling reports). I have seen that the last one > sent > > >> was in > > >> > > > > > August last year [1]. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Personally I would like to get involved in this project and > > >> help in > > >> > > > > > restarting it. If you like, I could be in charge of the next > > >> report, if > > >> > > > > > there is no inconvenience. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > [1] > > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/August2021 > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 9:44 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré < > > >> j...@nanthrax.net> > > >> > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hi, > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > You are right, I tried to bring Livy podling back to > active. > > >> We had > > >> > > > > > > few PRs/contributions and I also worked on reload4j switch > > >> and so on. > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > If the activity around the code is low, there are
Re: Is Livy podling still active?
Hi Larry, Already sent several messages about Livy to try to revive the podling and eventually move forward to the graduation. Unfortunately, I didn't have feedback. So, imho, it will be hard to build a community (especially contributors) around Livy. That's why, IPMC are discussing about retiring the podling. Regards JB On Sat, Jul 23, 2022 at 5:27 PM larry mccay wrote: > > Haven't seen any additional movement on this thread. > Just curious whether anyone has considered a graduation into an existing > TLP like Spark which would be very appropriate. > > Interesting and well stated post on the need for Livy here: > https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-6953087197935763456-yoDW/?utm_source=linkedin_share_medium=member_desktop_web > > > On Mon, Jul 4, 2022 at 9:55 AM larry mccay wrote: > > > I would be willing to join livy as a committer and mentor in a reboot if > > there is interest. > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 4, 2022, 3:05 AM Calvin Kirs wrote: > > > >> We had discussions last year, graduate or retire[1], but the project > >> still keep has remained downturn. > >> > >> Therefore, I agree to retire. > >> > >> [1]https://lists.apache.org/thread/3w2bbotwqr8sr59ojhqkcwt3p9wbq793 > >> > >> Jean-Baptiste Onofré 于2022年7月4日周一 13:30写道： > >> > > >> > Agree to move forward with a formal retirement vote. > >> > > >> > Regards > >> > JB > >> > > >> > On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 12:13 AM John D. Ament > >> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Hi all > >> > > > >> > > Based on the discussions, it seems like we should start a formal > >> retirement > >> > > vote. I will plan to start it within the next couple of days unless > >> > > someone else does. > >> > > > >> > > John > >> > > > >> > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 9:38 AM sebb wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 at 13:27, Jean-Baptiste Onofré > >> wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Hi, > >> > > > > > >> > > > > AFAIR, a report has been submitted since. Report on cwiki doesn't > >> mean > >> > > > > it's the last send, we should check in the incubator board report. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > It's true that Livy is a "stable" project and kind of "mature" > >> > > > > podling. IMHO, it should have graduated to TLP. > >> > > > > >> > > > Huh? > >> > > > That would require an active PMC, for which there is little > >> evidence. > >> > > > > >> > > > > As said, I tried to restart podling activity, but I didn't get a > >> lot > >> > > > > of updates: most people are Livy users but they don't seem to > >> want to > >> > > > > become contributors. > >> > > > > >> > > > Nor does anyone seem to want to deal with issues. > >> > > > > >> > > > > Regards > >> > > > > JB > >> > > > > > >> > > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:56 AM Javi Roman > >> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Hi community! > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I see that the project is losing interest from the community, > >> however > >> > > > it is > >> > > > > > a project widely used by companies (I know personally). It is a > >> pity > >> > > > that > >> > > > > > the project may die. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > In my opinion one of the first actions to take is to recreate > >> the > >> > > > reports > >> > > > > > correctly (Podling reports). I have seen that the last one sent > >> was in > >> > > > > > August last year [1]. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Personally I would like to get involved in this project and > >> help in > >> > > > > > restarting it. If you like, I could be in charge of the next > >> report, if > >> > > > > > there is no inconvenience. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > [1] > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/August2021 > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 9:44 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré < > >> j...@nanthrax.net> > >> > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hi, > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > You are right, I tried to bring Livy podling back to active. > >> We had > >> > > > > > > few PRs/contributions and I also worked on reload4j switch > >> and so on. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > If the activity around the code is low, there are few. > >> Unfortunately, > >> > > > > > > the mailing list is pretty quiet. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards > >> > > > > > > JB > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 11:46 PM Luciano Resende < > >> > > > luckbr1...@gmail.com> > >> > > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > There seem to have been a couple of initiatives to reboot > >> the > >> > > > podling and > >> > > > > > > > make it healthy again but without much success. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > What are other mentors' thoughts? > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 12:59 PM sebb > >> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > There doesn't seem to be any recent activity on the > >> mailing > >> > > > lists, and > >> > > > > > > > > no recent commits. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sebb > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>
Re: Is Livy podling still active?
Haven't seen any additional movement on this thread. Just curious whether anyone has considered a graduation into an existing TLP like Spark which would be very appropriate. Interesting and well stated post on the need for Livy here: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-6953087197935763456-yoDW/?utm_source=linkedin_share_medium=member_desktop_web On Mon, Jul 4, 2022 at 9:55 AM larry mccay wrote: > I would be willing to join livy as a committer and mentor in a reboot if > there is interest. > > > On Mon, Jul 4, 2022, 3:05 AM Calvin Kirs wrote: > >> We had discussions last year, graduate or retire[1], but the project >> still keep has remained downturn. >> >> Therefore, I agree to retire. >> >> [1]https://lists.apache.org/thread/3w2bbotwqr8sr59ojhqkcwt3p9wbq793 >> >> Jean-Baptiste Onofré 于2022年7月4日周一 13:30写道： >> > >> > Agree to move forward with a formal retirement vote. >> > >> > Regards >> > JB >> > >> > On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 12:13 AM John D. Ament >> wrote: >> > > >> > > Hi all >> > > >> > > Based on the discussions, it seems like we should start a formal >> retirement >> > > vote. I will plan to start it within the next couple of days unless >> > > someone else does. >> > > >> > > John >> > > >> > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 9:38 AM sebb wrote: >> > > >> > > > On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 at 13:27, Jean-Baptiste Onofré >> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > Hi, >> > > > > >> > > > > AFAIR, a report has been submitted since. Report on cwiki doesn't >> mean >> > > > > it's the last send, we should check in the incubator board report. >> > > > > >> > > > > It's true that Livy is a "stable" project and kind of "mature" >> > > > > podling. IMHO, it should have graduated to TLP. >> > > > >> > > > Huh? >> > > > That would require an active PMC, for which there is little >> evidence. >> > > > >> > > > > As said, I tried to restart podling activity, but I didn't get a >> lot >> > > > > of updates: most people are Livy users but they don't seem to >> want to >> > > > > become contributors. >> > > > >> > > > Nor does anyone seem to want to deal with issues. >> > > > >> > > > > Regards >> > > > > JB >> > > > > >> > > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:56 AM Javi Roman >> wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Hi community! >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I see that the project is losing interest from the community, >> however >> > > > it is >> > > > > > a project widely used by companies (I know personally). It is a >> pity >> > > > that >> > > > > > the project may die. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > In my opinion one of the first actions to take is to recreate >> the >> > > > reports >> > > > > > correctly (Podling reports). I have seen that the last one sent >> was in >> > > > > > August last year [1]. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Personally I would like to get involved in this project and >> help in >> > > > > > restarting it. If you like, I could be in charge of the next >> report, if >> > > > > > there is no inconvenience. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > [1] >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/August2021 >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 9:44 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré < >> j...@nanthrax.net> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hi, >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > You are right, I tried to bring Livy podling back to active. >> We had >> > > > > > > few PRs/contributions and I also worked on reload4j switch >> and so on. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > If the activity around the code is low, there are few. >> Unfortunately, >> > > > > > > the mailing list is pretty quiet. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards >> > > > > > > JB >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 11:46 PM Luciano Resende < >> > > > luckbr1...@gmail.com> >> > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > There seem to have been a couple of initiatives to reboot >> the >> > > > podling and >> > > > > > > > make it healthy again but without much success. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > What are other mentors' thoughts? >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 12:59 PM sebb >> wrote: >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > There doesn't seem to be any recent activity on the >> mailing >> > > > lists, and >> > > > > > > > > no recent commits. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sebb >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> - >> > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: >> > > > general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -- >> > > > > > > > Luciano Resende >> > > > > > > > http://twitter.com/lresende1975 >> > > > > > > > http://lresende.blogspot.com/ >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> - >> > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> > > > > > > For additional
Re: Is Livy podling still active?
I would be willing to join livy as a committer and mentor in a reboot if there is interest. On Mon, Jul 4, 2022, 3:05 AM Calvin Kirs wrote: > We had discussions last year, graduate or retire[1], but the project > still keep has remained downturn. > > Therefore, I agree to retire. > > [1]https://lists.apache.org/thread/3w2bbotwqr8sr59ojhqkcwt3p9wbq793 > > Jean-Baptiste Onofré 于2022年7月4日周一 13:30写道： > > > > Agree to move forward with a formal retirement vote. > > > > Regards > > JB > > > > On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 12:13 AM John D. Ament > wrote: > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > Based on the discussions, it seems like we should start a formal > retirement > > > vote. I will plan to start it within the next couple of days unless > > > someone else does. > > > > > > John > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 9:38 AM sebb wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 at 13:27, Jean-Baptiste Onofré > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > AFAIR, a report has been submitted since. Report on cwiki doesn't > mean > > > > > it's the last send, we should check in the incubator board report. > > > > > > > > > > It's true that Livy is a "stable" project and kind of "mature" > > > > > podling. IMHO, it should have graduated to TLP. > > > > > > > > Huh? > > > > That would require an active PMC, for which there is little evidence. > > > > > > > > > As said, I tried to restart podling activity, but I didn't get a > lot > > > > > of updates: most people are Livy users but they don't seem to want > to > > > > > become contributors. > > > > > > > > Nor does anyone seem to want to deal with issues. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > JB > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:56 AM Javi Roman > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi community! > > > > > > > > > > > > I see that the project is losing interest from the community, > however > > > > it is > > > > > > a project widely used by companies (I know personally). It is a > pity > > > > that > > > > > > the project may die. > > > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion one of the first actions to take is to recreate the > > > > reports > > > > > > correctly (Podling reports). I have seen that the last one sent > was in > > > > > > August last year [1]. > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally I would like to get involved in this project and help > in > > > > > > restarting it. If you like, I could be in charge of the next > report, if > > > > > > there is no inconvenience. > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/August2021 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 9:44 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré < > j...@nanthrax.net> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right, I tried to bring Livy podling back to active. > We had > > > > > > > few PRs/contributions and I also worked on reload4j switch and > so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the activity around the code is low, there are few. > Unfortunately, > > > > > > > the mailing list is pretty quiet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > JB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 11:46 PM Luciano Resende < > > > > luckbr1...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There seem to have been a couple of initiatives to reboot the > > > > podling and > > > > > > > > make it healthy again but without much success. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are other mentors' thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 12:59 PM sebb > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There doesn't seem to be any recent activity on the mailing > > > > lists, and > > > > > > > > > no recent commits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sebb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Luciano Resende > > > > > > > > http://twitter.com/lresende1975 > > > > > > > > http://lresende.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > >
Re: Is Livy podling still active?
We had discussions last year, graduate or retire[1], but the project still keep has remained downturn. Therefore, I agree to retire. [1]https://lists.apache.org/thread/3w2bbotwqr8sr59ojhqkcwt3p9wbq793 Jean-Baptiste Onofré 于2022年7月4日周一 13:30写道： > > Agree to move forward with a formal retirement vote. > > Regards > JB > > On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 12:13 AM John D. Ament wrote: > > > > Hi all > > > > Based on the discussions, it seems like we should start a formal retirement > > vote. I will plan to start it within the next couple of days unless > > someone else does. > > > > John > > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 9:38 AM sebb wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 at 13:27, Jean-Baptiste Onofré > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > AFAIR, a report has been submitted since. Report on cwiki doesn't mean > > > > it's the last send, we should check in the incubator board report. > > > > > > > > It's true that Livy is a "stable" project and kind of "mature" > > > > podling. IMHO, it should have graduated to TLP. > > > > > > Huh? > > > That would require an active PMC, for which there is little evidence. > > > > > > > As said, I tried to restart podling activity, but I didn't get a lot > > > > of updates: most people are Livy users but they don't seem to want to > > > > become contributors. > > > > > > Nor does anyone seem to want to deal with issues. > > > > > > > Regards > > > > JB > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:56 AM Javi Roman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi community! > > > > > > > > > > I see that the project is losing interest from the community, however > > > it is > > > > > a project widely used by companies (I know personally). It is a pity > > > that > > > > > the project may die. > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion one of the first actions to take is to recreate the > > > reports > > > > > correctly (Podling reports). I have seen that the last one sent was in > > > > > August last year [1]. > > > > > > > > > > Personally I would like to get involved in this project and help in > > > > > restarting it. If you like, I could be in charge of the next report, > > > > > if > > > > > there is no inconvenience. > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/August2021 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 9:44 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right, I tried to bring Livy podling back to active. We had > > > > > > few PRs/contributions and I also worked on reload4j switch and so > > > > > > on. > > > > > > > > > > > > If the activity around the code is low, there are few. > > > > > > Unfortunately, > > > > > > the mailing list is pretty quiet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > JB > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 11:46 PM Luciano Resende < > > > luckbr1...@gmail.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There seem to have been a couple of initiatives to reboot the > > > podling and > > > > > > > make it healthy again but without much success. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are other mentors' thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 12:59 PM sebb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There doesn't seem to be any recent activity on the mailing > > > lists, and > > > > > > > > no recent commits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sebb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Luciano Resende > > > > > > > http://twitter.com/lresende1975 > > > > > > > http://lresende.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > -- Best wishes！ CalvinKirs - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands,
Re: Is Livy podling still active?
Agree to move forward with a formal retirement vote. Regards JB On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 12:13 AM John D. Ament wrote: > > Hi all > > Based on the discussions, it seems like we should start a formal retirement > vote. I will plan to start it within the next couple of days unless > someone else does. > > John > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 9:38 AM sebb wrote: > > > On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 at 13:27, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > AFAIR, a report has been submitted since. Report on cwiki doesn't mean > > > it's the last send, we should check in the incubator board report. > > > > > > It's true that Livy is a "stable" project and kind of "mature" > > > podling. IMHO, it should have graduated to TLP. > > > > Huh? > > That would require an active PMC, for which there is little evidence. > > > > > As said, I tried to restart podling activity, but I didn't get a lot > > > of updates: most people are Livy users but they don't seem to want to > > > become contributors. > > > > Nor does anyone seem to want to deal with issues. > > > > > Regards > > > JB > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:56 AM Javi Roman wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi community! > > > > > > > > I see that the project is losing interest from the community, however > > it is > > > > a project widely used by companies (I know personally). It is a pity > > that > > > > the project may die. > > > > > > > > In my opinion one of the first actions to take is to recreate the > > reports > > > > correctly (Podling reports). I have seen that the last one sent was in > > > > August last year [1]. > > > > > > > > Personally I would like to get involved in this project and help in > > > > restarting it. If you like, I could be in charge of the next report, if > > > > there is no inconvenience. > > > > > > > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/August2021 > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 9:44 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > You are right, I tried to bring Livy podling back to active. We had > > > > > few PRs/contributions and I also worked on reload4j switch and so on. > > > > > > > > > > If the activity around the code is low, there are few. Unfortunately, > > > > > the mailing list is pretty quiet. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > JB > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 11:46 PM Luciano Resende < > > luckbr1...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There seem to have been a couple of initiatives to reboot the > > podling and > > > > > > make it healthy again but without much success. > > > > > > > > > > > > What are other mentors' thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 12:59 PM sebb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > There doesn't seem to be any recent activity on the mailing > > lists, and > > > > > > > no recent commits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sebb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Luciano Resende > > > > > > http://twitter.com/lresende1975 > > > > > > http://lresende.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Is Livy podling still active?
Apache Kyuubi (Incubating)[1] is an option, it's a distributed and multi-tenant gateway to provide serverless SQL on lakehouses. [1] https://kyuubi.apache.org/ Thanks, Cheng Pan On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 5:21 PM Brahma Reddy Battula wrote: > > We are using Livy in our production, is there any alternative for Livy ?? > > On Mon, 9 May 2022 at 3:44 AM, John D. Ament wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > Based on the discussions, it seems like we should start a formal retirement > > vote. I will plan to start it within the next couple of days unless > > someone else does. > > > > John > > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 9:38 AM sebb wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 at 13:27, Jean-Baptiste Onofré > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > AFAIR, a report has been submitted since. Report on cwiki doesn't mean > > > > it's the last send, we should check in the incubator board report. > > > > > > > > It's true that Livy is a "stable" project and kind of "mature" > > > > podling. IMHO, it should have graduated to TLP. > > > > > > Huh? > > > That would require an active PMC, for which there is little evidence. > > > > > > > As said, I tried to restart podling activity, but I didn't get a lot > > > > of updates: most people are Livy users but they don't seem to want to > > > > become contributors. > > > > > > Nor does anyone seem to want to deal with issues. > > > > > > > Regards > > > > JB > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:56 AM Javi Roman > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi community! > > > > > > > > > > I see that the project is losing interest from the community, however > > > it is > > > > > a project widely used by companies (I know personally). It is a pity > > > that > > > > > the project may die. > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion one of the first actions to take is to recreate the > > > reports > > > > > correctly (Podling reports). I have seen that the last one sent was > > in > > > > > August last year [1]. > > > > > > > > > > Personally I would like to get involved in this project and help in > > > > > restarting it. If you like, I could be in charge of the next report, > > if > > > > > there is no inconvenience. > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/August2021 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 9:44 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right, I tried to bring Livy podling back to active. We had > > > > > > few PRs/contributions and I also worked on reload4j switch and so > > on. > > > > > > > > > > > > If the activity around the code is low, there are few. > > Unfortunately, > > > > > > the mailing list is pretty quiet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > JB > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 11:46 PM Luciano Resende < > > > luckbr1...@gmail.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There seem to have been a couple of initiatives to reboot the > > > podling and > > > > > > > make it healthy again but without much success. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are other mentors' thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 12:59 PM sebb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There doesn't seem to be any recent activity on the mailing > > > lists, and > > > > > > > > no recent commits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sebb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Luciano Resende > > > > > > > http://twitter.com/lresende1975 > > > > > > > http://lresende.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > --Brahma Reddy Battula - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Is Livy podling still active?
We are using Livy in our production, is there any alternative for Livy ?? On Mon, 9 May 2022 at 3:44 AM, John D. Ament wrote: > Hi all > > Based on the discussions, it seems like we should start a formal retirement > vote. I will plan to start it within the next couple of days unless > someone else does. > > John > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 9:38 AM sebb wrote: > > > On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 at 13:27, Jean-Baptiste Onofré > wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > AFAIR, a report has been submitted since. Report on cwiki doesn't mean > > > it's the last send, we should check in the incubator board report. > > > > > > It's true that Livy is a "stable" project and kind of "mature" > > > podling. IMHO, it should have graduated to TLP. > > > > Huh? > > That would require an active PMC, for which there is little evidence. > > > > > As said, I tried to restart podling activity, but I didn't get a lot > > > of updates: most people are Livy users but they don't seem to want to > > > become contributors. > > > > Nor does anyone seem to want to deal with issues. > > > > > Regards > > > JB > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:56 AM Javi Roman > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi community! > > > > > > > > I see that the project is losing interest from the community, however > > it is > > > > a project widely used by companies (I know personally). It is a pity > > that > > > > the project may die. > > > > > > > > In my opinion one of the first actions to take is to recreate the > > reports > > > > correctly (Podling reports). I have seen that the last one sent was > in > > > > August last year [1]. > > > > > > > > Personally I would like to get involved in this project and help in > > > > restarting it. If you like, I could be in charge of the next report, > if > > > > there is no inconvenience. > > > > > > > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/August2021 > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 9:44 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > You are right, I tried to bring Livy podling back to active. We had > > > > > few PRs/contributions and I also worked on reload4j switch and so > on. > > > > > > > > > > If the activity around the code is low, there are few. > Unfortunately, > > > > > the mailing list is pretty quiet. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > JB > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 11:46 PM Luciano Resende < > > luckbr1...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There seem to have been a couple of initiatives to reboot the > > podling and > > > > > > make it healthy again but without much success. > > > > > > > > > > > > What are other mentors' thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 12:59 PM sebb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > There doesn't seem to be any recent activity on the mailing > > lists, and > > > > > > > no recent commits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sebb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Luciano Resende > > > > > > http://twitter.com/lresende1975 > > > > > > http://lresende.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > -- --Brahma Reddy Battula
Re: Is Livy podling still active?
Hi all Based on the discussions, it seems like we should start a formal retirement vote. I will plan to start it within the next couple of days unless someone else does. John On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 9:38 AM sebb wrote: > On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 at 13:27, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > AFAIR, a report has been submitted since. Report on cwiki doesn't mean > > it's the last send, we should check in the incubator board report. > > > > It's true that Livy is a "stable" project and kind of "mature" > > podling. IMHO, it should have graduated to TLP. > > Huh? > That would require an active PMC, for which there is little evidence. > > > As said, I tried to restart podling activity, but I didn't get a lot > > of updates: most people are Livy users but they don't seem to want to > > become contributors. > > Nor does anyone seem to want to deal with issues. > > > Regards > > JB > > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:56 AM Javi Roman wrote: > > > > > > Hi community! > > > > > > I see that the project is losing interest from the community, however > it is > > > a project widely used by companies (I know personally). It is a pity > that > > > the project may die. > > > > > > In my opinion one of the first actions to take is to recreate the > reports > > > correctly (Podling reports). I have seen that the last one sent was in > > > August last year [1]. > > > > > > Personally I would like to get involved in this project and help in > > > restarting it. If you like, I could be in charge of the next report, if > > > there is no inconvenience. > > > > > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/August2021 > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 9:44 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > You are right, I tried to bring Livy podling back to active. We had > > > > few PRs/contributions and I also worked on reload4j switch and so on. > > > > > > > > If the activity around the code is low, there are few. Unfortunately, > > > > the mailing list is pretty quiet. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > JB > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 11:46 PM Luciano Resende < > luckbr1...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There seem to have been a couple of initiatives to reboot the > podling and > > > > > make it healthy again but without much success. > > > > > > > > > > What are other mentors' thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 12:59 PM sebb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > There doesn't seem to be any recent activity on the mailing > lists, and > > > > > > no recent commits. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sebb > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Luciano Resende > > > > > http://twitter.com/lresende1975 > > > > > http://lresende.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > - > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: Is Livy podling still active?
On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 at 13:27, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: > > Hi, > > AFAIR, a report has been submitted since. Report on cwiki doesn't mean > it's the last send, we should check in the incubator board report. > > It's true that Livy is a "stable" project and kind of "mature" > podling. IMHO, it should have graduated to TLP. Huh? That would require an active PMC, for which there is little evidence. > As said, I tried to restart podling activity, but I didn't get a lot > of updates: most people are Livy users but they don't seem to want to > become contributors. Nor does anyone seem to want to deal with issues. > Regards > JB > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:56 AM Javi Roman wrote: > > > > Hi community! > > > > I see that the project is losing interest from the community, however it is > > a project widely used by companies (I know personally). It is a pity that > > the project may die. > > > > In my opinion one of the first actions to take is to recreate the reports > > correctly (Podling reports). I have seen that the last one sent was in > > August last year [1]. > > > > Personally I would like to get involved in this project and help in > > restarting it. If you like, I could be in charge of the next report, if > > there is no inconvenience. > > > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/August2021 > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 9:44 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > You are right, I tried to bring Livy podling back to active. We had > > > few PRs/contributions and I also worked on reload4j switch and so on. > > > > > > If the activity around the code is low, there are few. Unfortunately, > > > the mailing list is pretty quiet. > > > > > > Regards > > > JB > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 11:46 PM Luciano Resende > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > There seem to have been a couple of initiatives to reboot the podling > > > > and > > > > make it healthy again but without much success. > > > > > > > > What are other mentors' thoughts? > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 12:59 PM sebb wrote: > > > > > > > > > There doesn't seem to be any recent activity on the mailing lists, and > > > > > no recent commits. > > > > > > > > > > Sebb > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Luciano Resende > > > > http://twitter.com/lresende1975 > > > > http://lresende.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Is Livy podling still active?
Hi, AFAIR, a report has been submitted since. Report on cwiki doesn't mean it's the last send, we should check in the incubator board report. It's true that Livy is a "stable" project and kind of "mature" podling. IMHO, it should have graduated to TLP. As said, I tried to restart podling activity, but I didn't get a lot of updates: most people are Livy users but they don't seem to want to become contributors. Regards JB On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:56 AM Javi Roman wrote: > > Hi community! > > I see that the project is losing interest from the community, however it is > a project widely used by companies (I know personally). It is a pity that > the project may die. > > In my opinion one of the first actions to take is to recreate the reports > correctly (Podling reports). I have seen that the last one sent was in > August last year [1]. > > Personally I would like to get involved in this project and help in > restarting it. If you like, I could be in charge of the next report, if > there is no inconvenience. > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/August2021 > > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 9:44 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > You are right, I tried to bring Livy podling back to active. We had > > few PRs/contributions and I also worked on reload4j switch and so on. > > > > If the activity around the code is low, there are few. Unfortunately, > > the mailing list is pretty quiet. > > > > Regards > > JB > > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 11:46 PM Luciano Resende > > wrote: > > > > > > There seem to have been a couple of initiatives to reboot the podling and > > > make it healthy again but without much success. > > > > > > What are other mentors' thoughts? > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 12:59 PM sebb wrote: > > > > > > > There doesn't seem to be any recent activity on the mailing lists, and > > > > no recent commits. > > > > > > > > Sebb > > > > > > > > - > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Luciano Resende > > > http://twitter.com/lresende1975 > > > http://lresende.blogspot.com/ > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Is Livy podling still active?
Hi community! I see that the project is losing interest from the community, however it is a project widely used by companies (I know personally). It is a pity that the project may die. In my opinion one of the first actions to take is to recreate the reports correctly (Podling reports). I have seen that the last one sent was in August last year [1]. Personally I would like to get involved in this project and help in restarting it. If you like, I could be in charge of the next report, if there is no inconvenience. [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/August2021 On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 9:44 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: > Hi, > > You are right, I tried to bring Livy podling back to active. We had > few PRs/contributions and I also worked on reload4j switch and so on. > > If the activity around the code is low, there are few. Unfortunately, > the mailing list is pretty quiet. > > Regards > JB > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 11:46 PM Luciano Resende > wrote: > > > > There seem to have been a couple of initiatives to reboot the podling and > > make it healthy again but without much success. > > > > What are other mentors' thoughts? > > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 12:59 PM sebb wrote: > > > > > There doesn't seem to be any recent activity on the mailing lists, and > > > no recent commits. > > > > > > Sebb > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Luciano Resende > > http://twitter.com/lresende1975 > > http://lresende.blogspot.com/ > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: Is Livy podling still active?
Hi, You are right, I tried to bring Livy podling back to active. We had few PRs/contributions and I also worked on reload4j switch and so on. If the activity around the code is low, there are few. Unfortunately, the mailing list is pretty quiet. Regards JB On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 11:46 PM Luciano Resende wrote: > > There seem to have been a couple of initiatives to reboot the podling and > make it healthy again but without much success. > > What are other mentors' thoughts? > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 12:59 PM sebb wrote: > > > There doesn't seem to be any recent activity on the mailing lists, and > > no recent commits. > > > > Sebb > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > -- > Luciano Resende > http://twitter.com/lresende1975 > http://lresende.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Is Livy podling still active?
There seem to have been a couple of initiatives to reboot the podling and make it healthy again but without much success. What are other mentors' thoughts? On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 12:59 PM sebb wrote: > There doesn't seem to be any recent activity on the mailing lists, and > no recent commits. > > Sebb > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > -- Luciano Resende http://twitter.com/lresende1975 http://lresende.blogspot.com/
Is Livy podling still active?
There doesn't seem to be any recent activity on the mailing lists, and no recent commits. Sebb - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
