Re: Not just yet (was: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Brooklyn from incubator)

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 4:43 AM, John D. Ament  wrote:
> Any reason you need 4 weeks to add the paragraph back?..

4 weeks is to get the board to vote on the resolution - our meeting
was yesterday and the next one is on November 18.

As Hadrian says, It is unfortunate that nobody caught that, we noticed
the issue right when we were about to vote on it and there was no time
to properly fix that during the board meeting.

-Bertrand

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Re: Not just yet (was: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Brooklyn from incubator)

[John D. Ament]

Ah ha.  It wasn't clear from the original email this happened during the
board meeting.  Now I get it.
On Oct 21, 2015 23:09, "Marvin Humphrey"  wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:58 PM, John D. Ament 
> wrote:
>
> > I think that's my point.  Those two weeks should be used to get incubator
> > approval.  If you wait 4 weeks you don't graduate until December.
>
> The Incubator isn't going to vote again.  The text of the graduation
> resolution from an Incubator recommendation is advisory and the Board
> often modifies it. (The Incubator gets the text wrong embarrassingly
> often.)  The Board passing a resolution to establish a TLP is the
> crucial step from the standpoint of the Foundation as a corporate
> entity.
>
> It's regrettable that the glitch was not caught until there was little
> time left during today's meeting, but resolutions are powerful tools
> and it's important to get the language right. The Foundation's bylaws
> constrain the Board's ability to act -- it's not supposed to be easy.
>
> Marvin Humphrey
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Re: Not just yet (was: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Brooklyn from incubator)

[Ted Dunning]

Indeed, if Hadrian had succeeded in editing during the meeting, it would
have been fixed right then. Murphy weighed in and we have a 4 week delay.



On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 4:03 AM, John D. Ament 
wrote:

> Ah ha.  It wasn't clear from the original email this happened during the
> board meeting.  Now I get it.
> On Oct 21, 2015 23:09, "Marvin Humphrey"  wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:58 PM, John D. Ament 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I think that's my point.  Those two weeks should be used to get
> incubator
> > > approval.  If you wait 4 weeks you don't graduate until December.
> >
> > The Incubator isn't going to vote again.  The text of the graduation
> > resolution from an Incubator recommendation is advisory and the Board
> > often modifies it. (The Incubator gets the text wrong embarrassingly
> > often.)  The Board passing a resolution to establish a TLP is the
> > crucial step from the standpoint of the Foundation as a corporate
> > entity.
> >
> > It's regrettable that the glitch was not caught until there was little
> > time left during today's meeting, but resolutions are powerful tools
> > and it's important to get the language right. The Foundation's bylaws
> > constrain the Board's ability to act -- it's not supposed to be easy.
> >
> > Marvin Humphrey
> >
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Not just yet (was: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Brooklyn from incubator)

[Hadrian Zbarcea]

The resolution to graduate Apache Brooklyn out of the incubator was 
tabled due to a procedural issue. This has nothing to do with the code 
or the community.


The reason was an editorial error on my side, I used the wrong template 
and the last paragraph releasing the incubator from its responsibilities 
was missing from the resolution. It is unfortunate that nobody caught 
that, but the error is completely mine.


We will resubmit in 4 weeks.

Million apologies,
Hadrian

On 10/01/2015 11:06 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:

Vote passes with:

+1 - 6 binding (ke4qqq, jbonofre, jzb, johndament, olamy, hadrian)
+1 - 2 non-binding
-1 - 0

We will submit the proposal below to the board for approval (including
jbonofre and olamy in the PMC).

Many thanks again to our mentors and the incubator in general for the
guidance.

Hadrian


On 09/28/2015 10:06 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:

This is the Incubator vote to decide if Apache Brooklyn should graduate
from the Incubator. Please see the proposed resolution below.

See also discuss thread [1]. Mentors were invited to join the future TLP
PMC on request. Invitation is open until this vote is closed.

This vote is open for at least 72 hours.

[ ] +1 Graduate Apache Brooklyn from the Incubator.
[ ] +0 Don't care.
[ ] -1 Don't graduate Apache Brooklyn from the Incubator because ...

Thanks,
Hadrian

[1]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201509.mbox/%3C5604323C.1010207%40gmail.com%3E





X. Establish the Apache Brooklyn Project

 WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
 interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
 Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
 Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
 open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the
 public, related to tools that help automate various
 administrative tasks or information lookup activities.

 NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
 Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Brooklyn Project",
 be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
 Foundation; and be it further

 RESOLVED, that the Apache Brooklyn Project be and hereby is
 responsible for the creation and maintenance of a software
 framework for modeling, monitoring, and managing cloud
 applications through autonomic blueprints; and be it further

 RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Brooklyn"
 be and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
 serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
 of the Apache Brooklyn Project, and to have primary
 responsibility for management of the projects within the scope
 of responsibility of the Apache Brooklyn Project; and be it
 further

 RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
 hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
 Apache Brooklyn Project Management Committee:

 * Aled Sage 
 * Alex Heneveld 
 * Andrea Turli 
 * Andrew Kennedy 
 * Ciprian Ciubotariu 
 * Hadrian Zbarcea 
 * Richard Downer 
 * Sam Corbett 
 * Svetoslav Neykov 

 NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Richard Downer be
 appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Brooklyn, to
 serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
 Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death,
 resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or until
 a successor is appointed; and be it further

 RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Brooklyn Project be and hereby
 is tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
 encourage open development and increased participation in the
 Apache Brooklyn Project.


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Re: Not just yet (was: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Brooklyn from incubator)

[John D. Ament]

Any reason you need 4 weeks to add the paragraph back?
On Oct 21, 2015 21:09, "Hadrian Zbarcea"  wrote:

> The resolution to graduate Apache Brooklyn out of the incubator was tabled
> due to a procedural issue. This has nothing to do with the code or the
> community.
>
> The reason was an editorial error on my side, I used the wrong template
> and the last paragraph releasing the incubator from its responsibilities
> was missing from the resolution. It is unfortunate that nobody caught that,
> but the error is completely mine.
>
> We will resubmit in 4 weeks.
>
> Million apologies,
> Hadrian
>
> On 10/01/2015 11:06 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:
>
>> Vote passes with:
>>
>> +1 - 6 binding (ke4qqq, jbonofre, jzb, johndament, olamy, hadrian)
>> +1 - 2 non-binding
>> -1 - 0
>>
>> We will submit the proposal below to the board for approval (including
>> jbonofre and olamy in the PMC).
>>
>> Many thanks again to our mentors and the incubator in general for the
>> guidance.
>>
>> Hadrian
>>
>>
>> On 09/28/2015 10:06 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:
>>
>>> This is the Incubator vote to decide if Apache Brooklyn should graduate
>>> from the Incubator. Please see the proposed resolution below.
>>>
>>> See also discuss thread [1]. Mentors were invited to join the future TLP
>>> PMC on request. Invitation is open until this vote is closed.
>>>
>>> This vote is open for at least 72 hours.
>>>
>>> [ ] +1 Graduate Apache Brooklyn from the Incubator.
>>> [ ] +0 Don't care.
>>> [ ] -1 Don't graduate Apache Brooklyn from the Incubator because ...
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Hadrian
>>>
>>> [1]
>>>
>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201509.mbox/%3C5604323C.1010207%40gmail.com%3E
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> X. Establish the Apache Brooklyn Project
>>>
>>>  WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>>  interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>>>  Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>>>  Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>>>  open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the
>>>  public, related to tools that help automate various
>>>  administrative tasks or information lookup activities.
>>>
>>>  NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>>  Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Brooklyn Project",
>>>  be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>>  Foundation; and be it further
>>>
>>>  RESOLVED, that the Apache Brooklyn Project be and hereby is
>>>  responsible for the creation and maintenance of a software
>>>  framework for modeling, monitoring, and managing cloud
>>>  applications through autonomic blueprints; and be it further
>>>
>>>  RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Brooklyn"
>>>  be and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>>>  serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>>>  of the Apache Brooklyn Project, and to have primary
>>>  responsibility for management of the projects within the scope
>>>  of responsibility of the Apache Brooklyn Project; and be it
>>>  further
>>>
>>>  RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>>  hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>>>  Apache Brooklyn Project Management Committee:
>>>
>>>  * Aled Sage 
>>>  * Alex Heneveld 
>>>  * Andrea Turli 
>>>  * Andrew Kennedy 
>>>  * Ciprian Ciubotariu 
>>>  * Hadrian Zbarcea 
>>>  * Richard Downer 
>>>  * Sam Corbett 
>>>  * Svetoslav Neykov 
>>>
>>>  NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Richard Downer be
>>>  appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Brooklyn, to
>>>  serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>>>  Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death,
>>>  resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or until
>>>  a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>>
>>>  RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Brooklyn Project be and hereby
>>>  is tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>>>  encourage open development and increased participation in the
>>>  Apache Brooklyn Project.
>>>
>>
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Re: Not just yet (was: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Brooklyn from incubator)

[Greg Stein]

Several things: the description of the project in para 1 and 3 do not
match. Second, the wording of the (current) last paragraph doesn't refer to
"podling" like other Incubator graduation resolutions. Third, the final
paragraph from the template, releasing the Incubator from responsibility.

See the Calcite resolution in this month's agenda.

Regarding 4 weeks: a new agenda should be posted within a 1-2 weeks, and
the revised resolution can immediately be placed there. The Board will vote
on it during its Nov 18 meeting. (technically, if you can finagle all 9
Directors to +1 the resolution before then, it passes on that 9th vote)

Cheers,
-g

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 9:43 PM, John D. Ament 
wrote:

> Any reason you need 4 weeks to add the paragraph back?
> On Oct 21, 2015 21:09, "Hadrian Zbarcea"  wrote:
>
> > The resolution to graduate Apache Brooklyn out of the incubator was
> tabled
> > due to a procedural issue. This has nothing to do with the code or the
> > community.
> >
> > The reason was an editorial error on my side, I used the wrong template
> > and the last paragraph releasing the incubator from its responsibilities
> > was missing from the resolution. It is unfortunate that nobody caught
> that,
> > but the error is completely mine.
> >
> > We will resubmit in 4 weeks.
> >
> > Million apologies,
> > Hadrian
> >
> > On 10/01/2015 11:06 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:
> >
> >> Vote passes with:
> >>
> >> +1 - 6 binding (ke4qqq, jbonofre, jzb, johndament, olamy, hadrian)
> >> +1 - 2 non-binding
> >> -1 - 0
> >>
> >> We will submit the proposal below to the board for approval (including
> >> jbonofre and olamy in the PMC).
> >>
> >> Many thanks again to our mentors and the incubator in general for the
> >> guidance.
> >>
> >> Hadrian
> >>
> >>
> >> On 09/28/2015 10:06 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:
> >>
> >>> This is the Incubator vote to decide if Apache Brooklyn should graduate
> >>> from the Incubator. Please see the proposed resolution below.
> >>>
> >>> See also discuss thread [1]. Mentors were invited to join the future
> TLP
> >>> PMC on request. Invitation is open until this vote is closed.
> >>>
> >>> This vote is open for at least 72 hours.
> >>>
> >>> [ ] +1 Graduate Apache Brooklyn from the Incubator.
> >>> [ ] +0 Don't care.
> >>> [ ] -1 Don't graduate Apache Brooklyn from the Incubator because ...
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Hadrian
> >>>
> >>> [1]
> >>>
> >>>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201509.mbox/%3C5604323C.1010207%40gmail.com%3E
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>> X. Establish the Apache Brooklyn Project
> >>>
> >>>  WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> >>>  interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> >>>  Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> >>>  Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> >>>  open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the
> >>>  public, related to tools that help automate various
> >>>  administrative tasks or information lookup activities.
> >>>
> >>>  NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> >>>  Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Brooklyn Project",
> >>>  be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> >>>  Foundation; and be it further
> >>>
> >>>  RESOLVED, that the Apache Brooklyn Project be and hereby is
> >>>  responsible for the creation and maintenance of a software
> >>>  framework for modeling, monitoring, and managing cloud
> >>>  applications through autonomic blueprints; and be it further
> >>>
> >>>  RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Brooklyn"
> >>>  be and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> >>>  serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> >>>  of the Apache Brooklyn Project, and to have primary
> >>>  responsibility for management of the projects within the scope
> >>>  of responsibility of the Apache Brooklyn Project; and be it
> >>>  further
> >>>
> >>>  RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> >>>  hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> >>>  Apache Brooklyn Project Management Committee:
> >>>
> >>>  * Aled Sage 
> >>>  * Alex Heneveld 
> >>>  * Andrea Turli 
> >>>  * Andrew Kennedy 
> >>>  * Ciprian Ciubotariu 
> >>>  * Hadrian Zbarcea 
> >>>  * Richard Downer 
> >>>  * Sam Corbett 
> >>>  * Svetoslav Neykov 
> >>>
> >>>  NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that 

Re: Not just yet (was: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Brooklyn from incubator)

[John D. Ament]

On Oct 21, 2015 22:48, "Greg Stein"  wrote:
>
> Several things: the description of the project in para 1 and 3 do not
> match. Second, the wording of the (current) last paragraph doesn't refer
to
> "podling" like other Incubator graduation resolutions. Third, the final
> paragraph from the template, releasing the Incubator from responsibility.
>
> See the Calcite resolution in this month's agenda.
>
> Regarding 4 weeks: a new agenda should be posted within a 1-2 weeks, and

I think that's my point.  Those two weeks should be used to get incubator
approval.  If you wait 4 weeks you don't graduate until December.

> the revised resolution can immediately be placed there. The Board will
vote
> on it during its Nov 18 meeting. (technically, if you can finagle all 9
> Directors to +1 the resolution before then, it passes on that 9th vote)
>
> Cheers,
> -g
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 9:43 PM, John D. Ament 
> wrote:
>
> > Any reason you need 4 weeks to add the paragraph back?
> > On Oct 21, 2015 21:09, "Hadrian Zbarcea"  wrote:
> >
> > > The resolution to graduate Apache Brooklyn out of the incubator was
> > tabled
> > > due to a procedural issue. This has nothing to do with the code or the
> > > community.
> > >
> > > The reason was an editorial error on my side, I used the wrong
template
> > > and the last paragraph releasing the incubator from its
responsibilities
> > > was missing from the resolution. It is unfortunate that nobody caught
> > that,
> > > but the error is completely mine.
> > >
> > > We will resubmit in 4 weeks.
> > >
> > > Million apologies,
> > > Hadrian
> > >
> > > On 10/01/2015 11:06 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:
> > >
> > >> Vote passes with:
> > >>
> > >> +1 - 6 binding (ke4qqq, jbonofre, jzb, johndament, olamy, hadrian)
> > >> +1 - 2 non-binding
> > >> -1 - 0
> > >>
> > >> We will submit the proposal below to the board for approval
(including
> > >> jbonofre and olamy in the PMC).
> > >>
> > >> Many thanks again to our mentors and the incubator in general for the
> > >> guidance.
> > >>
> > >> Hadrian
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 09/28/2015 10:06 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> This is the Incubator vote to decide if Apache Brooklyn should
graduate
> > >>> from the Incubator. Please see the proposed resolution below.
> > >>>
> > >>> See also discuss thread [1]. Mentors were invited to join the future
> > TLP
> > >>> PMC on request. Invitation is open until this vote is closed.
> > >>>
> > >>> This vote is open for at least 72 hours.
> > >>>
> > >>> [ ] +1 Graduate Apache Brooklyn from the Incubator.
> > >>> [ ] +0 Don't care.
> > >>> [ ] -1 Don't graduate Apache Brooklyn from the Incubator because ...
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>> Hadrian
> > >>>
> > >>> [1]
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201509.mbox/%3C5604323C.1010207%40gmail.com%3E
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> 
> > >>> X. Establish the Apache Brooklyn Project
> > >>>
> > >>>  WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> > >>>  interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> > >>>  Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> > >>>  Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> > >>>  open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the
> > >>>  public, related to tools that help automate various
> > >>>  administrative tasks or information lookup activities.
> > >>>
> > >>>  NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> > >>>  Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Brooklyn
Project",
> > >>>  be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> > >>>  Foundation; and be it further
> > >>>
> > >>>  RESOLVED, that the Apache Brooklyn Project be and hereby is
> > >>>  responsible for the creation and maintenance of a software
> > >>>  framework for modeling, monitoring, and managing cloud
> > >>>  applications through autonomic blueprints; and be it
further
> > >>>
> > >>>  RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache
Brooklyn"
> > >>>  be and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> > >>>  serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the
chair
> > >>>  of the Apache Brooklyn Project, and to have primary
> > >>>  responsibility for management of the projects within the
scope
> > >>>  of responsibility of the Apache Brooklyn Project; and be it
> > >>>  further
> > >>>
> > >>>  RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> > >>>  hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> > >>>  Apache Brooklyn Project Management Committee:
> > >>>
> > >>>  * Aled Sage 
> > >>>  * Alex Heneveld 
> > >>>

Re: Not just yet (was: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Brooklyn from incubator)

[Marvin Humphrey]

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:58 PM, John D. Ament  wrote:

> I think that's my point.  Those two weeks should be used to get incubator
> approval.  If you wait 4 weeks you don't graduate until December.

The Incubator isn't going to vote again.  The text of the graduation
resolution from an Incubator recommendation is advisory and the Board
often modifies it. (The Incubator gets the text wrong embarrassingly
often.)  The Board passing a resolution to establish a TLP is the
crucial step from the standpoint of the Foundation as a corporate
entity.

It's regrettable that the glitch was not caught until there was little
time left during today's meeting, but resolutions are powerful tools
and it's important to get the language right. The Foundation's bylaws
constrain the Board's ability to act -- it's not supposed to be easy.

Marvin Humphrey

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