Re: Possible ASF Incubator Project transfer..
So you include it in conversations - there would also need to be discussions on the Glassfish trademark/any domains. Nothing as standardized as the software license grant others have referred to, but I would expect it to be 'if a registered trademark/domain, transferring to ASF; if not a registered trademark, possibly some form of understanding of future use'. Hen On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 3:39 PM, Reza Rahmanwrote: > Yep, understood. We will give it an honest effort. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Mar 3, 2016, at 6:30 PM, John D. Ament wrote: > > > > You need to start with convincing oracle to provide an SGA for the > entire glassfish codebase. Your best bet is to start that before you leave > oracle. > > > > John > > > >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 4:08 PM Reza Rahman > wrote: > >> Obviously I need to take this up in earnest after Friday. In the > meanwhile let me know what I need to do in order to get myself setup for > this. > >> > >> Anything that is worth it is never easy. This matters enough to try and > there are many that will be with us, even inside Oracle. > >> > >>> On Mar 3, 2016, at 3:57 PM, John D. Ament > wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Martin, Reza, > >>> > >>> The biggest hurdle would likely be Oracle signing an SGA for the > glassfish codebase. Not to mention that all dependencies are currently > GPL/CDDL dual licensed. > >>> > >>> John > >>> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 3:17 PM Martin Gainty > wrote: > Looking for procedures for transferring control of currently > un-maintained glassfish J2EE Server from Oracle to ASF incubator project > > Thanks and Regards > Martin Gainty > > > Subject: Re: [gf-users] Re: Farewell to Oracle > To: mgai...@hotmail.com > From: reza_rah...@lycos.com > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 13:56:02 -0500 > > > > > > > That sounds just about right. How can I > get involved? > > > > On 3/3/2016 1:53 PM, Martin Gainty wrote: > > > > > Feel free to join Marcus and myself to transfer > Glassfish to ASF .. > > > > > > > > To: us...@glassfish.java.net > > > From: reza_rah...@lycos.com > > > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 12:51:49 -0500 > > > Subject: [gf-users] Farewell to Oracle > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > I am leaving Oracle behind on Friday. I have no doubt > whatsoever that > > > this was one of the top five hardest decisions of my > life. I am also at > > > this stage equally certain that this is the way I > personally can best > > > help continue to advance the Java and Java EE > communities. I will be > > > resuming the community work I have been part of for the > better part of a > > > decade in earnest as soon as possible post-Oracle. > > > > > > At Oracle folks like my colleagues David Delabassee and > Bruno Borges > > > will continue their roles in the Java EE ecosystem. I > certainly wish the > > > many good folks at Oracle nothing but the best of luck. > They have a very > > > hard job to do and they will continue to need our > support, perhaps now > > > more than ever. > > > > > > As always anyone is absolutely welcome to reach out to > me on just about > > > anything. Below are all my contact points. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Reza > > > > > > Email: reza_rah...@lycos.com > > > Cell: 717-329-8149 > > > Home Office: 215-736-1208 > > > Google/Skype: m.reza.rahman > > > Twitter: @reza_rahman > > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/javareza > > > http://blog.rahmannet.net/ > > > http://cargotracker.java.net > > > > > > > >
Re: Possible ASF Incubator Project transfer..
On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Reza Rahmanwrote: > Yep, understood. We will give it an honest effort > No doubt, we appreciate the sincerity. Note that there are multiple aspect that would require license grants and provisions that complicate any Java-ecosystem grant to the ASF. It isn't strictly limited to a given library or framework. The TCK license terms themselves effectively killed more than one ASF effort, and make the consideration/donation of JSR-related works nearly impossible, at least not as implementation of "named" specifications within that ecosystem. Even a completely renamed/rescoped 'fork' is questionable. I find this all highly improbable, but stranger things have happened over the past 10 years, so if you would like to pursue this, we have the resources to facilitate and help frame the scope of grants required to make such an offer happen. Cheers, Bill
Re: Possible ASF Incubator Project transfer..
To be clear, we are talking about: http://www.apache.org/licenses/#grants On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Reza Rahmanwrote: > Yep, understood. We will give it an honest effort. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Mar 3, 2016, at 6:30 PM, John D. Ament wrote: > > > > You need to start with convincing oracle to provide an SGA for the > entire glassfish codebase. Your best bet is to start that before you leave > oracle. > > > > John > > > >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 4:08 PM Reza Rahman > wrote: > >> Obviously I need to take this up in earnest after Friday. In the > meanwhile let me know what I need to do in order to get myself setup for > this. > >> > >> Anything that is worth it is never easy. This matters enough to try and > there are many that will be with us, even inside Oracle. > >> > >>> On Mar 3, 2016, at 3:57 PM, John D. Ament > wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Martin, Reza, > >>> > >>> The biggest hurdle would likely be Oracle signing an SGA for the > glassfish codebase. Not to mention that all dependencies are currently > GPL/CDDL dual licensed. > >>> > >>> John > >>> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 3:17 PM Martin Gainty > wrote: > Looking for procedures for transferring control of currently > un-maintained glassfish J2EE Server from Oracle to ASF incubator project > > Thanks and Regards > Martin Gainty > > > Subject: Re: [gf-users] Re: Farewell to Oracle > To: mgai...@hotmail.com > From: reza_rah...@lycos.com > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 13:56:02 -0500 > > > > > > > That sounds just about right. How can I > get involved? > > > > On 3/3/2016 1:53 PM, Martin Gainty wrote: > > > > > Feel free to join Marcus and myself to transfer > Glassfish to ASF .. > > > > > > > > To: us...@glassfish.java.net > > > From: reza_rah...@lycos.com > > > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 12:51:49 -0500 > > > Subject: [gf-users] Farewell to Oracle > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > I am leaving Oracle behind on Friday. I have no doubt > whatsoever that > > > this was one of the top five hardest decisions of my > life. I am also at > > > this stage equally certain that this is the way I > personally can best > > > help continue to advance the Java and Java EE > communities. I will be > > > resuming the community work I have been part of for the > better part of a > > > decade in earnest as soon as possible post-Oracle. > > > > > > At Oracle folks like my colleagues David Delabassee and > Bruno Borges > > > will continue their roles in the Java EE ecosystem. I > certainly wish the > > > many good folks at Oracle nothing but the best of luck. > They have a very > > > hard job to do and they will continue to need our > support, perhaps now > > > more than ever. > > > > > > As always anyone is absolutely welcome to reach out to > me on just about > > > anything. Below are all my contact points. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Reza > > > > > > Email: reza_rah...@lycos.com > > > Cell: 717-329-8149 > > > Home Office: 215-736-1208 > > > Google/Skype: m.reza.rahman > > > Twitter: @reza_rahman > > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/javareza > > > http://blog.rahmannet.net/ > > > http://cargotracker.java.net > > > > > > > >
Re: Possible ASF Incubator Project transfer..
Obviously I need to take this up in earnest after Friday. In the meanwhile let me know what I need to do in order to get myself setup for this. Anything that is worth it is never easy. This matters enough to try and there are many that will be with us, even inside Oracle. > On Mar 3, 2016, at 3:57 PM, John D. Amentwrote: > > Hi Martin, Reza, > > The biggest hurdle would likely be Oracle signing an SGA for the glassfish > codebase. Not to mention that all dependencies are currently GPL/CDDL dual > licensed. > > John > >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 3:17 PM Martin Gainty wrote: >> Looking for procedures for transferring control of currently un-maintained >> glassfish J2EE Server from Oracle to ASF incubator project >> >> Thanks and Regards >> Martin Gainty >> >> >> Subject: Re: [gf-users] Re: Farewell to Oracle >> To: mgai...@hotmail.com >> From: reza_rah...@lycos.com >> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 13:56:02 -0500 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> That sounds just about right. How can I >> get involved? >> >> >> >> On 3/3/2016 1:53 PM, Martin Gainty wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Feel free to join Marcus and myself to transfer >> Glassfish to ASF .. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > To: us...@glassfish.java.net >> >> > From: reza_rah...@lycos.com >> >> > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 12:51:49 -0500 >> >> > Subject: [gf-users] Farewell to Oracle >> >> > >> >> > Folks, >> >> > >> >> > I am leaving Oracle behind on Friday. I have no doubt >> whatsoever that >> >> > this was one of the top five hardest decisions of my >> life. I am also at >> >> > this stage equally certain that this is the way I >> personally can best >> >> > help continue to advance the Java and Java EE >> communities. I will be >> >> > resuming the community work I have been part of for the >> better part of a >> >> > decade in earnest as soon as possible post-Oracle. >> >> > >> >> > At Oracle folks like my colleagues David Delabassee and >> Bruno Borges >> >> > will continue their roles in the Java EE ecosystem. I >> certainly wish the >> >> > many good folks at Oracle nothing but the best of luck. >> They have a very >> >> > hard job to do and they will continue to need our >> support, perhaps now >> >> > more than ever. >> >> > >> >> > As always anyone is absolutely welcome to reach out to >> me on just about >> >> > anything. Below are all my contact points. >> >> > >> >> > Cheers, >> >> > Reza >> >> > >> >> > Email: reza_rah...@lycos.com >> >> > Cell: 717-329-8149 >> >> > Home Office: 215-736-1208 >> >> > Google/Skype: m.reza.rahman >> >> > Twitter: @reza_rahman >> >> > https://www.linkedin.com/in/javareza >> >> > http://blog.rahmannet.net/ >> >> > http://cargotracker.java.net
Re: Possible ASF Incubator Project transfer..
Yep, understood. We will give it an honest effort. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 3, 2016, at 6:30 PM, John D. Amentwrote: > > You need to start with convincing oracle to provide an SGA for the entire > glassfish codebase. Your best bet is to start that before you leave oracle. > > John > >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 4:08 PM Reza Rahman wrote: >> Obviously I need to take this up in earnest after Friday. In the meanwhile >> let me know what I need to do in order to get myself setup for this. >> >> Anything that is worth it is never easy. This matters enough to try and >> there are many that will be with us, even inside Oracle. >> >>> On Mar 3, 2016, at 3:57 PM, John D. Ament wrote: >>> >>> Hi Martin, Reza, >>> >>> The biggest hurdle would likely be Oracle signing an SGA for the glassfish >>> codebase. Not to mention that all dependencies are currently GPL/CDDL dual >>> licensed. >>> >>> John >>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 3:17 PM Martin Gainty wrote: Looking for procedures for transferring control of currently un-maintained glassfish J2EE Server from Oracle to ASF incubator project Thanks and Regards Martin Gainty Subject: Re: [gf-users] Re: Farewell to Oracle To: mgai...@hotmail.com From: reza_rah...@lycos.com Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 13:56:02 -0500 That sounds just about right. How can I get involved? On 3/3/2016 1:53 PM, Martin Gainty wrote: Feel free to join Marcus and myself to transfer Glassfish to ASF .. > To: us...@glassfish.java.net > From: reza_rah...@lycos.com > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 12:51:49 -0500 > Subject: [gf-users] Farewell to Oracle > > Folks, > > I am leaving Oracle behind on Friday. I have no doubt whatsoever that > this was one of the top five hardest decisions of my life. I am also at > this stage equally certain that this is the way I personally can best > help continue to advance the Java and Java EE communities. I will be > resuming the community work I have been part of for the better part of a > decade in earnest as soon as possible post-Oracle. > > At Oracle folks like my colleagues David Delabassee and Bruno Borges > will continue their roles in the Java EE ecosystem. I certainly wish the > many good folks at Oracle nothing but the best of luck. They have a very > hard job to do and they will continue to need our support, perhaps now > more than ever. > > As always anyone is absolutely welcome to reach out to me on just about > anything. Below are all my contact points. > > Cheers, > Reza > > Email: reza_rah...@lycos.com > Cell: 717-329-8149 > Home Office: 215-736-1208 > Google/Skype: m.reza.rahman > Twitter: @reza_rahman > https://www.linkedin.com/in/javareza > http://blog.rahmannet.net/ > http://cargotracker.java.net
Re: Possible ASF Incubator Project transfer..
You need to start with convincing oracle to provide an SGA for the entire glassfish codebase. Your best bet is to start that before you leave oracle. John On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 4:08 PM Reza Rahmanwrote: > Obviously I need to take this up in earnest after Friday. In the meanwhile > let me know what I need to do in order to get myself setup for this. > > Anything that is worth it is never easy. This matters enough to try and > there are many that will be with us, even inside Oracle. > > On Mar 3, 2016, at 3:57 PM, John D. Ament wrote: > > Hi Martin, Reza, > > The biggest hurdle would likely be Oracle signing an SGA for the glassfish > codebase. Not to mention that all dependencies are currently GPL/CDDL dual > licensed. > > John > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 3:17 PM Martin Gainty wrote: > >> Looking for procedures for transferring control of currently >> un-maintained glassfish J2EE Server from Oracle to ASF incubator project >> >> Thanks and Regards >> Martin Gainty >> >> >> Subject: Re: [gf-users] Re: Farewell to Oracle >> To: mgai...@hotmail.com >> From: reza_rah...@lycos.com >> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 13:56:02 -0500 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> That sounds just about right. How can I >> get involved? >> >> >> >> On 3/3/2016 1:53 PM, Martin Gainty wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Feel free to join Marcus and myself to transfer >> Glassfish to ASF .. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > To: us...@glassfish.java.net >> >> > From: reza_rah...@lycos.com >> >> > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 12:51:49 -0500 >> >> > Subject: [gf-users] Farewell to Oracle >> >> > >> >> > Folks, >> >> > >> >> > I am leaving Oracle behind on Friday. I have no doubt >> whatsoever that >> >> > this was one of the top five hardest decisions of my >> life. I am also at >> >> > this stage equally certain that this is the way I >> personally can best >> >> > help continue to advance the Java and Java EE >> communities. I will be >> >> > resuming the community work I have been part of for the >> better part of a >> >> > decade in earnest as soon as possible post-Oracle. >> >> > >> >> > At Oracle folks like my colleagues David Delabassee and >> Bruno Borges >> >> > will continue their roles in the Java EE ecosystem. I >> certainly wish the >> >> > many good folks at Oracle nothing but the best of luck. >> They have a very >> >> > hard job to do and they will continue to need our >> support, perhaps now >> >> > more than ever. >> >> > >> >> > As always anyone is absolutely welcome to reach out to >> me on just about >> >> > anything. Below are all my contact points. >> >> > >> >> > Cheers, >> >> > Reza >> >> > >> >> > Email: reza_rah...@lycos.com >> >> > Cell: 717-329-8149 >> >> > Home Office: 215-736-1208 >> >> > Google/Skype: m.reza.rahman >> >> > Twitter: @reza_rahman >> >> > https://www.linkedin.com/in/javareza >> >> > http://blog.rahmannet.net/ >> >> > http://cargotracker.java.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
Re: Possible ASF Incubator Project transfer..
The procedure would be identical to the OpenOffice donation from Oracle to Apache. Oracle would have to sign a software grant to Apache and contributors would have to iCLAs. Apache requires copyright owners to vouch they are the original authors and have given permission for their IP to be licensed under the Apache Software License. It would not be possible to "fork" to Apache without sign-off from Oracle. -David On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Martin Gaintywrote: > Looking for procedures for transferring control of currently un-maintained > glassfish J2EE Server from Oracle to ASF incubator project > > Thanks and Regards > Martin Gainty > > > Subject: Re: [gf-users] Re: Farewell to Oracle > To: mgai...@hotmail.com > From: reza_rah...@lycos.com > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 13:56:02 -0500 > > > > > > > That sounds just about right. How can I > get involved? > > > > On 3/3/2016 1:53 PM, Martin Gainty wrote: > > > > > Feel free to join Marcus and myself to transfer > Glassfish to ASF .. > > > > > > > > To: us...@glassfish.java.net > > > From: reza_rah...@lycos.com > > > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 12:51:49 -0500 > > > Subject: [gf-users] Farewell to Oracle > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > I am leaving Oracle behind on Friday. I have no doubt > whatsoever that > > > this was one of the top five hardest decisions of my > life. I am also at > > > this stage equally certain that this is the way I > personally can best > > > help continue to advance the Java and Java EE > communities. I will be > > > resuming the community work I have been part of for the > better part of a > > > decade in earnest as soon as possible post-Oracle. > > > > > > At Oracle folks like my colleagues David Delabassee and > Bruno Borges > > > will continue their roles in the Java EE ecosystem. I > certainly wish the > > > many good folks at Oracle nothing but the best of luck. > They have a very > > > hard job to do and they will continue to need our > support, perhaps now > > > more than ever. > > > > > > As always anyone is absolutely welcome to reach out to > me on just about > > > anything. Below are all my contact points. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Reza > > > > > > Email: reza_rah...@lycos.com > > > Cell: 717-329-8149 > > > Home Office: 215-736-1208 > > > Google/Skype: m.reza.rahman > > > Twitter: @reza_rahman > > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/javareza > > > http://blog.rahmannet.net/ > > > http://cargotracker.java.net > > > > > > >
Re: Possible ASF Incubator Project transfer..
Hi Martin, Reza, The biggest hurdle would likely be Oracle signing an SGA for the glassfish codebase. Not to mention that all dependencies are currently GPL/CDDL dual licensed. John On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 3:17 PM Martin Gaintywrote: > Looking for procedures for transferring control of currently un-maintained > glassfish J2EE Server from Oracle to ASF incubator project > > Thanks and Regards > Martin Gainty > > > Subject: Re: [gf-users] Re: Farewell to Oracle > To: mgai...@hotmail.com > From: reza_rah...@lycos.com > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 13:56:02 -0500 > > > > > > > That sounds just about right. How can I > get involved? > > > > On 3/3/2016 1:53 PM, Martin Gainty wrote: > > > > > Feel free to join Marcus and myself to transfer > Glassfish to ASF .. > > > > > > > > To: us...@glassfish.java.net > > > From: reza_rah...@lycos.com > > > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 12:51:49 -0500 > > > Subject: [gf-users] Farewell to Oracle > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > I am leaving Oracle behind on Friday. I have no doubt > whatsoever that > > > this was one of the top five hardest decisions of my > life. I am also at > > > this stage equally certain that this is the way I > personally can best > > > help continue to advance the Java and Java EE > communities. I will be > > > resuming the community work I have been part of for the > better part of a > > > decade in earnest as soon as possible post-Oracle. > > > > > > At Oracle folks like my colleagues David Delabassee and > Bruno Borges > > > will continue their roles in the Java EE ecosystem. I > certainly wish the > > > many good folks at Oracle nothing but the best of luck. > They have a very > > > hard job to do and they will continue to need our > support, perhaps now > > > more than ever. > > > > > > As always anyone is absolutely welcome to reach out to > me on just about > > > anything. Below are all my contact points. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Reza > > > > > > Email: reza_rah...@lycos.com > > > Cell: 717-329-8149 > > > Home Office: 215-736-1208 > > > Google/Skype: m.reza.rahman > > > Twitter: @reza_rahman > > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/javareza > > > http://blog.rahmannet.net/ > > > http://cargotracker.java.net > > > > > > >
Possible ASF Incubator Project transfer..
Looking for procedures for transferring control of currently un-maintained glassfish J2EE Server from Oracle to ASF incubator project Thanks and Regards Martin Gainty Subject: Re: [gf-users] Re: Farewell to Oracle To: mgai...@hotmail.com From: reza_rah...@lycos.com Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 13:56:02 -0500 That sounds just about right. How can I get involved? On 3/3/2016 1:53 PM, Martin Gainty wrote: Feel free to join Marcus and myself to transfer Glassfish to ASF .. > To: us...@glassfish.java.net > From: reza_rah...@lycos.com > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 12:51:49 -0500 > Subject: [gf-users] Farewell to Oracle > > Folks, > > I am leaving Oracle behind on Friday. I have no doubt whatsoever that > this was one of the top five hardest decisions of my life. I am also at > this stage equally certain that this is the way I personally can best > help continue to advance the Java and Java EE communities. I will be > resuming the community work I have been part of for the better part of a > decade in earnest as soon as possible post-Oracle. > > At Oracle folks like my colleagues David Delabassee and Bruno Borges > will continue their roles in the Java EE ecosystem. I certainly wish the > many good folks at Oracle nothing but the best of luck. They have a very > hard job to do and they will continue to need our support, perhaps now > more than ever. > > As always anyone is absolutely welcome to reach out to me on just about > anything. Below are all my contact points. > > Cheers, > Reza > > Email: reza_rah...@lycos.com > Cell: 717-329-8149 > Home Office: 215-736-1208 > Google/Skype: m.reza.rahman > Twitter: @reza_rahman > https://www.linkedin.com/in/javareza > http://blog.rahmannet.net/ > http://cargotracker.java.net