Re: April report filed
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 4:40 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote: >... > On the other hand, since we're a volunteer organization, a better > message here would be that people *can* take responsibility, not that > they *should* do so. If there aren't enough people with enough free > cycles (I woke up next to a three month old reminder that there are If I didn't say it before: congratz, and happiness to you :-) > higher priorities in life :-), then it's a flaw in the structure that > requires more volunteer effort than is available rather than a failure > of the volunteers involved. When the Incubator was set up, there was a recognition that PMCs could not simply tell the Incubator "please incubator project for us. kthxbai." That the PMC would have to provide help. However... that has completely disappeared. Effectively, "all" arriving projects are not attached to an existing PMC. Thus, the "staffing" is generally non-existent, and problems have ensued. It's a difficult issue :-( Cheers, -g - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: April report filed
Hi, On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > +1 to everything Greg says, especially about Benson not being anything > more than the liaison. The IPMC is a difficult place, people should > take responsibility. Benson is doing just that (along with a bunch of > people helping out). Right. When I started putting more effort into the Incubator back in the beginning of last year, making significant change only took extra time and commitment from myself, not changes in tooling or processes, nor much help from others. The latter bits can of course help, but they won't go anywhere by themselves. On the other hand, since we're a volunteer organization, a better message here would be that people *can* take responsibility, not that they *should* do so. If there aren't enough people with enough free cycles (I woke up next to a three month old reminder that there are higher priorities in life :-), then it's a flaw in the structure that requires more volunteer effort than is available rather than a failure of the volunteers involved. BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
RE: April report filed
+1 to everything Greg says, especially about Benson not being anything more than the liaison. The IPMC is a difficult place, people should take responsibility. Benson is doing just that (along with a bunch of people helping out). Ross Sent from my Windows Phone From: Greg Stein Sent: 22/04/2013 08:26 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: April report filed On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >... >> It all seemed very rushed. Perhaps we need a clearer schedule in advance. > > A series of reminders go out via Marvin long in advance. And then, a few > days before the board's deadline, I state the latest possible time for me > to post it to svn to give people as much time as possible. Right. The Board schedule is known. Marvin sends reminders. What more do people need? "I'm responsible for my podling. Really, I am. But I cannot do diddly shit unless Mommy and Daddy take care of me, and tell me what to do." Boo fucking hoo. Get it together. This isn't difficult. And most podlings/PMCs only have to report once per quarter. If one person takes it upon themselves, then you're talking about (say) one hour out of TWO THOUSAND to write up a report. Then, you take 72 hours to pass it by dev@ and see what they think. One. Out of Two Thousand. The Foundation isn't asking for much here. Just for a person to step up. For 0.05% of their life. (speaking as an ex-Chairman who had to deal with missing reports continually; Marvin helped a great deal, but I'm still amazed at people simply not stepping up and recognizing their responsibility; life *does* get in the way sometimes, and reports *do* get missed, but DO NOT blame the system -- take responsibility that you failed; I have missed Apache Subversion reports, but I never blame others; it's all on me; then I step up and report the following month) > I wait until very late in the cycle to create commentary in the front so > that (a) the rest of the community gets the first opportunity to create > that content, and (b) it can reflect the content of the late-arriving > podling reports. Benson: you are the liaison. You are not responsible for everybody. The PMC as a whole is responsible. And the podling communities are responsible for their reporting. >... >> You seem to have abandoned shepherd appointments. Blaming the system again. Remember: the shepherd concept is a *band-aid* to help cover failing podlings/mentors. Blaming the second-level solution is insanity. >... >> My real issue has nothing to do with whether changes were made before or >> after and is more to do with my surprise that the board accepted such an >> incomplete report. We accept that failures occur. We accept that what *has* been provided seems a reasonable reflection of the communities involved. If the Incubator *regularly* provided substandard reports, or large swaths of missing podling reports, *then* you can damned well believe the Board would reject the report. And for such an important piece of the Foundation, you can believe we'd take more serious action. The Board is very cognizant of what goes on the Incubator, and the untold details behind the reports. We knew this month's report was substandard, and we gave it a little pass for various reasons. And yes, we also talked a bit about how people are questioning the setup of the Incubator. If you want to know more about the Board's thoughts on reports, then attend the meeting. Until you do, then "surprise" should not be in your vocabulary. >... >> There was nothing much written about the state of various podlings. >> Nothing was mentioned about podlings like ODF Toolkit's failure to report. > > I could dig you out specific commentary from community members (I think > including at least one current board member) to the effect that the best > way to report that a podling didn't report was to simply have the report > contain their lack of a report. Right. We're well aware of missing reports. Calling them out is helpful, but not mandatory. >... Cheers, -g - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: April report filed
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >... >> It all seemed very rushed. Perhaps we need a clearer schedule in advance. > > A series of reminders go out via Marvin long in advance. And then, a few > days before the board's deadline, I state the latest possible time for me > to post it to svn to give people as much time as possible. Right. The Board schedule is known. Marvin sends reminders. What more do people need? "I'm responsible for my podling. Really, I am. But I cannot do diddly shit unless Mommy and Daddy take care of me, and tell me what to do." Boo fucking hoo. Get it together. This isn't difficult. And most podlings/PMCs only have to report once per quarter. If one person takes it upon themselves, then you're talking about (say) one hour out of TWO THOUSAND to write up a report. Then, you take 72 hours to pass it by dev@ and see what they think. One. Out of Two Thousand. The Foundation isn't asking for much here. Just for a person to step up. For 0.05% of their life. (speaking as an ex-Chairman who had to deal with missing reports continually; Marvin helped a great deal, but I'm still amazed at people simply not stepping up and recognizing their responsibility; life *does* get in the way sometimes, and reports *do* get missed, but DO NOT blame the system -- take responsibility that you failed; I have missed Apache Subversion reports, but I never blame others; it's all on me; then I step up and report the following month) > I wait until very late in the cycle to create commentary in the front so > that (a) the rest of the community gets the first opportunity to create > that content, and (b) it can reflect the content of the late-arriving > podling reports. Benson: you are the liaison. You are not responsible for everybody. The PMC as a whole is responsible. And the podling communities are responsible for their reporting. >... >> You seem to have abandoned shepherd appointments. Blaming the system again. Remember: the shepherd concept is a *band-aid* to help cover failing podlings/mentors. Blaming the second-level solution is insanity. >... >> My real issue has nothing to do with whether changes were made before or >> after and is more to do with my surprise that the board accepted such an >> incomplete report. We accept that failures occur. We accept that what *has* been provided seems a reasonable reflection of the communities involved. If the Incubator *regularly* provided substandard reports, or large swaths of missing podling reports, *then* you can damned well believe the Board would reject the report. And for such an important piece of the Foundation, you can believe we'd take more serious action. The Board is very cognizant of what goes on the Incubator, and the untold details behind the reports. We knew this month's report was substandard, and we gave it a little pass for various reasons. And yes, we also talked a bit about how people are questioning the setup of the Incubator. If you want to know more about the Board's thoughts on reports, then attend the meeting. Until you do, then "surprise" should not be in your vocabulary. >... >> There was nothing much written about the state of various podlings. >> Nothing was mentioned about podlings like ODF Toolkit's failure to report. > > I could dig you out specific commentary from community members (I think > including at least one current board member) to the effect that the best > way to report that a podling didn't report was to simply have the report > contain their lack of a report. Right. We're well aware of missing reports. Calling them out is helpful, but not mandatory. >... Cheers, -g - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: April report filed
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Upayavira wrote:
> You could add an {acl} entry to the top of the page restricting write
> access to AdminGroup - that'd achieve making it read-only
Fow now, I've added a ''' REPORT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED - DO NOT EDIT
ANYMORE ''' warning to http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2013
-Bertrand
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Re: April report filed
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > On Apr 20, 2013, at 7:53 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Dave Fisher > wrote: > > > >> Does http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2013 match what was reported > >> to the board? > >> > > > > No, because people persist in modifying the wiki after I submit it -- > this > > is a much more prevalent action than last-minute commits into the > official > > board agenda. > > > > Perhaps we need a disclaimer that the wiki is just a scratchpad and not > > 'for the record', or perhaps we need a way to make the report pages > > read-only once the submission happens, or perhaps we need people to read > my > > email when I announce when I'm going to post the report. > > It all seemed very rushed. Perhaps we need a clearer schedule in advance. A series of reminders go out via Marvin long in advance. And then, a few days before the board's deadline, I state the latest possible time for me to post it to svn to give people as much time as possible. I wait until very late in the cycle to create commentary in the front so that (a) the rest of the community gets the first opportunity to create that content, and (b) it can reflect the content of the late-arriving podling reports. Some people are on the record as feeling that the reminder/notification/deadline process for podling reports asks for the reports too soon as things are. I very much doubt that reminding all and and sundry of the eventual board deadline one more time per month will change any behavior. You seem to have abandoned shepherd appointments. > Yup. The community took a strong position that I should not appoint shepherds -- that shepherding should self-organize. > > My real issue has nothing to do with whether changes were made before or > after and is more to do with my surprise that the board accepted such an > incomplete report. > I can't speak for the board's taste in reports. > > There was nothing much written about the state of various podlings. > Nothing was mentioned about podlings like ODF Toolkit's failure to report. > I could dig you out specific commentary from community members (I think including at least one current board member) to the effect that the best way to report that a podling didn't report was to simply have the report contain their lack of a report. > We should make a better effort for May. We should ask ODF Toolkit to > report out of cycle. > By all means, send them a poke to that effect. > > Regards, > DAve > > > > > > >> > >> If not would someone update the wiki? > >> > >> I ask because there are podlings like ODF Toolkit that did not report. > >> Some action is needed on our part. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Dave > >> > >> On Apr 12, 2013, at 8:49 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) wrote: > >> > >>> No problem you got it! > >>> > >>> Just didn't want to step on anyone's toes. > >>> > >>> Adding now! > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Chris > >>> > >>> ++ > >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > >>> Senior Computer Scientist > >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > >>> Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov > >>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > >>> ++ > >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > >>> ++ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: Benson Margulies > >>> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" > > >>> Date: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:46 AM > >>> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" > >>> Subject: Re: April report filed > >>> > >>>> In case that sounded harsh, which was not intended: > >>>> > >>>> I have a meeting in 15 minutes that i Need to prepare for, and then > I'm > >>>> off > >>>> to go home, collect my entourage, and go to the airport to fly to > >>>> Portland. > >>>> So I'd be _grateful_ if you'd
Re: April report filed
On Apr 20, 2013, at 7:53 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > >> Does http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2013 match what was reported >> to the board? >> > > No, because people persist in modifying the wiki after I submit it -- this > is a much more prevalent action than last-minute commits into the official > board agenda. > > Perhaps we need a disclaimer that the wiki is just a scratchpad and not > 'for the record', or perhaps we need a way to make the report pages > read-only once the submission happens, or perhaps we need people to read my > email when I announce when I'm going to post the report. It all seemed very rushed. Perhaps we need a clearer schedule in advance. You seem to have abandoned shepherd appointments. My real issue has nothing to do with whether changes were made before or after and is more to do with my surprise that the board accepted such an incomplete report. There was nothing much written about the state of various podlings. Nothing was mentioned about podlings like ODF Toolkit's failure to report. We should make a better effort for May. We should ask ODF Toolkit to report out of cycle. Regards, DAve > > >> >> If not would someone update the wiki? >> >> I ask because there are podlings like ODF Toolkit that did not report. >> Some action is needed on our part. >> >> Regards, >> Dave >> >> On Apr 12, 2013, at 8:49 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) wrote: >> >>> No problem you got it! >>> >>> Just didn't want to step on anyone's toes. >>> >>> Adding now! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Chris >>> >>> ++ >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>> Senior Computer Scientist >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>> Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov >>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >>> ++ >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>> ++ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Benson Margulies >>> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" >>> Date: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:46 AM >>> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" >>> Subject: Re: April report filed >>> >>>> In case that sounded harsh, which was not intended: >>>> >>>> I have a meeting in 15 minutes that i Need to prepare for, and then I'm >>>> off >>>> to go home, collect my entourage, and go to the airport to fly to >>>> Portland. >>>> So I'd be _grateful_ if you'd commit it yourself. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Benson Margulies >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Chris, >>>>> >>>>> You have access to commit to the board agenda, so why don't you just >> put >>>>> it there yourself? >>>>> >>>>> --benson >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) < >>>>> chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hey Benson et al., >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry I will get the Climate report on the wiki in the next few hours. >>>>>> If possible, I would like it to be included in this month's report. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry about it being late. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> ++ >>>>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>>>>> Senior Computer Scientist >>>>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>>>>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>>>>> Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov >>>>>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >>>>>> ++ >>>>>> Adjunct Assistant Profes
Re: April report filed
You could add an {acl} entry to the top of the page restricting write
access to AdminGroup - that'd achieve making it read-only.
Upayavira
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013, at 03:53 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Dave Fisher
> wrote:
>
> > Does http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2013 match what was reported
> > to the board?
> >
>
> No, because people persist in modifying the wiki after I submit it --
> this
> is a much more prevalent action than last-minute commits into the
> official
> board agenda.
>
> Perhaps we need a disclaimer that the wiki is just a scratchpad and not
> 'for the record', or perhaps we need a way to make the report pages
> read-only once the submission happens, or perhaps we need people to read
> my
> email when I announce when I'm going to post the report.
>
>
> >
> > If not would someone update the wiki?
> >
> > I ask because there are podlings like ODF Toolkit that did not report.
> > Some action is needed on our part.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dave
> >
> > On Apr 12, 2013, at 8:49 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) wrote:
> >
> > > No problem you got it!
> > >
> > > Just didn't want to step on anyone's toes.
> > >
> > > Adding now!
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > ++
> > > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > > Senior Computer Scientist
> > > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> > > Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov
> > > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> > > ++
> > > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> > > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > > ++
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Benson Margulies
> > > Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
> > > Date: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:46 AM
> > > To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
> > > Subject: Re: April report filed
> > >
> > >> In case that sounded harsh, which was not intended:
> > >>
> > >> I have a meeting in 15 minutes that i Need to prepare for, and then I'm
> > >> off
> > >> to go home, collect my entourage, and go to the airport to fly to
> > >> Portland.
> > >> So I'd be _grateful_ if you'd commit it yourself.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Benson Margulies
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Chris,
> > >>>
> > >>> You have access to commit to the board agenda, so why don't you just
> > put
> > >>> it there yourself?
> > >>>
> > >>> --benson
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) <
> > >>> chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hey Benson et al.,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sorry I will get the Climate report on the wiki in the next few hours.
> > >>>> If possible, I would like it to be included in this month's report.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sorry about it being late.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cheers,
> > >>>> Chris
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ++
> > >>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > >>>> Senior Computer Scientist
> > >>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > >>>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> > >>>> Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov
> > >>>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> > >>>> ++
> > >>>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> > >>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > >>>> ++
> > >>>>
>
Re: April report filed
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > Does http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2013 match what was reported > to the board? > No, because people persist in modifying the wiki after I submit it -- this is a much more prevalent action than last-minute commits into the official board agenda. Perhaps we need a disclaimer that the wiki is just a scratchpad and not 'for the record', or perhaps we need a way to make the report pages read-only once the submission happens, or perhaps we need people to read my email when I announce when I'm going to post the report. > > If not would someone update the wiki? > > I ask because there are podlings like ODF Toolkit that did not report. > Some action is needed on our part. > > Regards, > Dave > > On Apr 12, 2013, at 8:49 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) wrote: > > > No problem you got it! > > > > Just didn't want to step on anyone's toes. > > > > Adding now! > > > > Cheers, > > Chris > > > > ++ > > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > > Senior Computer Scientist > > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > > Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov > > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > > ++ > > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > > ++ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Benson Margulies > > Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" > > Date: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:46 AM > > To: "general@incubator.apache.org" > > Subject: Re: April report filed > > > >> In case that sounded harsh, which was not intended: > >> > >> I have a meeting in 15 minutes that i Need to prepare for, and then I'm > >> off > >> to go home, collect my entourage, and go to the airport to fly to > >> Portland. > >> So I'd be _grateful_ if you'd commit it yourself. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Benson Margulies > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Chris, > >>> > >>> You have access to commit to the board agenda, so why don't you just > put > >>> it there yourself? > >>> > >>> --benson > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) < > >>> chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hey Benson et al., > >>>> > >>>> Sorry I will get the Climate report on the wiki in the next few hours. > >>>> If possible, I would like it to be included in this month's report. > >>>> > >>>> Sorry about it being late. > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> Chris > >>>> > >>>> ++ > >>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > >>>> Senior Computer Scientist > >>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > >>>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > >>>> Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov > >>>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > >>>> ++ > >>>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > >>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > >>>> ++ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -Original Message- > >>>> From: Benson Margulies > >>>> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" < > general@incubator.apache.org> > >>>> Date: Friday, April 12, 2013 3:59 AM > >>>> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" > >>>> Subject: April report filed > >>>> > >>>>> I committed the April report. Since no one added any releases to this > >>>>> report, there are no releases listed. I removed the mention of Onami > >>>> as > >>>>> graduating since there is no motion to establish an Onami PMC on the > >>>>> agenda. If someone adds one please add it to the Incubator repot > >>>> header. > >>>>> > >>>>> There is no report for Open Climate Workshop; there might be other > >>>> missing > >>>>> reports. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> - > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: April report filed
It does on the Climate end. Not sure about the others. Cheers, Chris ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Date: Saturday, April 20, 2013 10:35 AM To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Subject: Re: April report filed >Does http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2013 match what was reported >to the board? > >If not would someone update the wiki? > >I ask because there are podlings like ODF Toolkit that did not report. >Some action is needed on our part. > >Regards, >Dave > >On Apr 12, 2013, at 8:49 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) wrote: > >> No problem you got it! >> >> Just didn't want to step on anyone's toes. >> >> Adding now! >> >> Cheers, >> Chris >> >> ++ >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >> Senior Computer Scientist >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >> Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >> ++ >> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >> ++ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Benson Margulies >> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" >> Date: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:46 AM >> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" >> Subject: Re: April report filed >> >>> In case that sounded harsh, which was not intended: >>> >>> I have a meeting in 15 minutes that i Need to prepare for, and then I'm >>> off >>> to go home, collect my entourage, and go to the airport to fly to >>> Portland. >>> So I'd be _grateful_ if you'd commit it yourself. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Benson Margulies >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Chris, >>>> >>>> You have access to commit to the board agenda, so why don't you just >>>>put >>>> it there yourself? >>>> >>>> --benson >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) < >>>> chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hey Benson et al., >>>>> >>>>> Sorry I will get the Climate report on the wiki in the next few >>>>>hours. >>>>> If possible, I would like it to be included in this month's report. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry about it being late. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> ++ >>>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>>>> Senior Computer Scientist >>>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>>>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>>>> Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov >>>>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >>>>> ++ >>>>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >>>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>>>> ++ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: Benson Margulies >>>>> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" >>>>> >>>>> Date: Friday, April 12, 2013 3:59 AM >>>>> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" >>>>> Subject: April report file
Re: April report filed
Does http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2013 match what was reported to the board? If not would someone update the wiki? I ask because there are podlings like ODF Toolkit that did not report. Some action is needed on our part. Regards, Dave On Apr 12, 2013, at 8:49 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) wrote: > No problem you got it! > > Just didn't want to step on anyone's toes. > > Adding now! > > Cheers, > Chris > > ++ > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > Senior Computer Scientist > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > ++ > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > ++ > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Benson Margulies > Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" > Date: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:46 AM > To: "general@incubator.apache.org" > Subject: Re: April report filed > >> In case that sounded harsh, which was not intended: >> >> I have a meeting in 15 minutes that i Need to prepare for, and then I'm >> off >> to go home, collect my entourage, and go to the airport to fly to >> Portland. >> So I'd be _grateful_ if you'd commit it yourself. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Benson Margulies >> wrote: >> >>> Chris, >>> >>> You have access to commit to the board agenda, so why don't you just put >>> it there yourself? >>> >>> --benson >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) < >>> chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Benson et al., >>>> >>>> Sorry I will get the Climate report on the wiki in the next few hours. >>>> If possible, I would like it to be included in this month's report. >>>> >>>> Sorry about it being late. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> ++ >>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>>> Senior Computer Scientist >>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>>> Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov >>>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >>>> ++ >>>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>>> ++ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Benson Margulies >>>> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" >>>> Date: Friday, April 12, 2013 3:59 AM >>>> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" >>>> Subject: April report filed >>>> >>>>> I committed the April report. Since no one added any releases to this >>>>> report, there are no releases listed. I removed the mention of Onami >>>> as >>>>> graduating since there is no motion to establish an Onami PMC on the >>>>> agenda. If someone adds one please add it to the Incubator repot >>>> header. >>>>> >>>>> There is no report for Open Climate Workshop; there might be other >>>> missing >>>>> reports. >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>> >>>> >>> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: April report filed
No problem you got it! Just didn't want to step on anyone's toes. Adding now! Cheers, Chris ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ -Original Message- From: Benson Margulies Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Date: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:46 AM To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Subject: Re: April report filed >In case that sounded harsh, which was not intended: > >I have a meeting in 15 minutes that i Need to prepare for, and then I'm >off >to go home, collect my entourage, and go to the airport to fly to >Portland. >So I'd be _grateful_ if you'd commit it yourself. > > > >On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Benson Margulies >wrote: > >> Chris, >> >> You have access to commit to the board agenda, so why don't you just put >> it there yourself? >> >> --benson >> >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) < >> chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: >> >>> Hey Benson et al., >>> >>> Sorry I will get the Climate report on the wiki in the next few hours. >>> If possible, I would like it to be included in this month's report. >>> >>> Sorry about it being late. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Chris >>> >>> ++ >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >>> Senior Computer Scientist >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >>> Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov >>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >>> ++ >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >>> ++ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Benson Margulies >>> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" >>> Date: Friday, April 12, 2013 3:59 AM >>> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" >>> Subject: April report filed >>> >>> >I committed the April report. Since no one added any releases to this >>> >report, there are no releases listed. I removed the mention of Onami >>>as >>> >graduating since there is no motion to establish an Onami PMC on the >>> >agenda. If someone adds one please add it to the Incubator repot >>>header. >>> > >>> >There is no report for Open Climate Workshop; there might be other >>> missing >>> >reports. >>> >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >>> >> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: April report filed
In case that sounded harsh, which was not intended: I have a meeting in 15 minutes that i Need to prepare for, and then I'm off to go home, collect my entourage, and go to the airport to fly to Portland. So I'd be _grateful_ if you'd commit it yourself. On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > Chris, > > You have access to commit to the board agenda, so why don't you just put > it there yourself? > > --benson > > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) < > chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > >> Hey Benson et al., >> >> Sorry I will get the Climate report on the wiki in the next few hours. >> If possible, I would like it to be included in this month's report. >> >> Sorry about it being late. >> >> Cheers, >> Chris >> >> ++ >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >> Senior Computer Scientist >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >> Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >> ++ >> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >> ++ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Benson Margulies >> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" >> Date: Friday, April 12, 2013 3:59 AM >> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" >> Subject: April report filed >> >> >I committed the April report. Since no one added any releases to this >> >report, there are no releases listed. I removed the mention of Onami as >> >graduating since there is no motion to establish an Onami PMC on the >> >agenda. If someone adds one please add it to the Incubator repot header. >> > >> >There is no report for Open Climate Workshop; there might be other >> missing >> >reports. >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> >
Re: April report filed
Chris, You have access to commit to the board agenda, so why don't you just put it there yourself? --benson On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) < chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > Hey Benson et al., > > Sorry I will get the Climate report on the wiki in the next few hours. > If possible, I would like it to be included in this month's report. > > Sorry about it being late. > > Cheers, > Chris > > ++ > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > Senior Computer Scientist > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > ++ > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > ++ > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Benson Margulies > Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" > Date: Friday, April 12, 2013 3:59 AM > To: "general@incubator.apache.org" > Subject: April report filed > > >I committed the April report. Since no one added any releases to this > >report, there are no releases listed. I removed the mention of Onami as > >graduating since there is no motion to establish an Onami PMC on the > >agenda. If someone adds one please add it to the Incubator repot header. > > > >There is no report for Open Climate Workshop; there might be other missing > >reports. > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: April report filed
Hey Folks, I've went ahead and filed the CLIMATE report. http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2013 CLIMATE mentors; please scope it out and sign off. Benson if possible, I would appreciate your consideration in including the report in the overall Incubator report. Sorry for the tardiness. Cheers, Chris ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ -Original Message- From: , jpluser Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Date: Friday, April 12, 2013 6:27 AM To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Subject: Re: April report filed >Hey Benson et al., > >Sorry I will get the Climate report on the wiki in the next few hours. >If possible, I would like it to be included in this month's report. > >Sorry about it being late. > >Cheers, >Chris > >++ >Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >Senior Computer Scientist >NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov >WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >++ >Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >++ > > > > > > >-Original Message- >From: Benson Margulies >Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" >Date: Friday, April 12, 2013 3:59 AM >To: "general@incubator.apache.org" >Subject: April report filed > >>I committed the April report. Since no one added any releases to this >>report, there are no releases listed. I removed the mention of Onami as >>graduating since there is no motion to establish an Onami PMC on the >>agenda. If someone adds one please add it to the Incubator repot header. >> >>There is no report for Open Climate Workshop; there might be other >>missing >>reports. > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: April report filed
Hey Benson et al., Sorry I will get the Climate report on the wiki in the next few hours. If possible, I would like it to be included in this month's report. Sorry about it being late. Cheers, Chris ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ -Original Message- From: Benson Margulies Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Date: Friday, April 12, 2013 3:59 AM To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Subject: April report filed >I committed the April report. Since no one added any releases to this >report, there are no releases listed. I removed the mention of Onami as >graduating since there is no motion to establish an Onami PMC on the >agenda. If someone adds one please add it to the Incubator repot header. > >There is no report for Open Climate Workshop; there might be other missing >reports. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: April report filed
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > I've searched the April 17th agenda, and I can find no occurrences of the > string Onami, or the word ESTABLISH, which is the usual verb in board > resolutions for new TLP's. > > I also checked the svn log for > https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/foundation/board/board_agenda_2013_04_17.txtand > saw nothing corresponding. > > Where did you put it? My fault. I did the change but did not commit it *sigh* Anyway, its in now. Thanks for the catch Cheers > > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Christian Grobmeier > wrote: > >> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Benson Margulies >> wrote: >> > I committed the April report. Since no one added any releases to this >> > report, there are no releases listed. I removed the mention of Onami as >> > graduating since there is no motion to establish an Onami PMC on the >> > agenda. If someone adds one please add it to the Incubator repot header. >> >> But it is on the Boards agenda and all votes have passed. I would >> consider this a motion, but maybe its a language thing. In this case, >> please explain what is expected to be in that section. Thanks >> >> Christian >> >> > There is no report for Open Climate Workshop; there might be other >> missing >> > reports. >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.grobmeier.de >> https://www.timeandbill.de >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: April report filed
When you said Friday I assumed that it did mean so early. I've added a comment regarding VXQuery. They are currently with a single mentor. Regards, Dave On Apr 12, 2013, at 3:59 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > I committed the April report. Since no one added any releases to this > report, there are no releases listed. I removed the mention of Onami as > graduating since there is no motion to establish an Onami PMC on the > agenda. If someone adds one please add it to the Incubator repot header. > > There is no report for Open Climate Workshop; there might be other missing > reports. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: April report filed
I've searched the April 17th agenda, and I can find no occurrences of the string Onami, or the word ESTABLISH, which is the usual verb in board resolutions for new TLP's. I also checked the svn log for https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/foundation/board/board_agenda_2013_04_17.txtand saw nothing corresponding. Where did you put it? On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Benson Margulies > wrote: > > I committed the April report. Since no one added any releases to this > > report, there are no releases listed. I removed the mention of Onami as > > graduating since there is no motion to establish an Onami PMC on the > > agenda. If someone adds one please add it to the Incubator repot header. > > But it is on the Boards agenda and all votes have passed. I would > consider this a motion, but maybe its a language thing. In this case, > please explain what is expected to be in that section. Thanks > > Christian > > > There is no report for Open Climate Workshop; there might be other > missing > > reports. > > > > -- > http://www.grobmeier.de > https://www.timeandbill.de > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: April report filed
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > I committed the April report. Since no one added any releases to this > report, there are no releases listed. I removed the mention of Onami as > graduating since there is no motion to establish an Onami PMC on the > agenda. If someone adds one please add it to the Incubator repot header. But it is on the Boards agenda and all votes have passed. I would consider this a motion, but maybe its a language thing. In this case, please explain what is expected to be in that section. Thanks Christian > There is no report for Open Climate Workshop; there might be other missing > reports. -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
