Re: Incubator site status wrt a move to Anakia?
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: > David Crossley wrote: > > > >Hooray, i fixed it. We were using a 1.5-dev version of > >Velocity. Now back to the 1.4 release version. > > Whoa. The problem was velocity 1.5? I just needed to move forward and the 1.4 -based setup worked, so i used it and dumped your -dev version. Note that all i did was to synchronise our Anakia with that of infrastructure/site svn. Actually it might be jdom. -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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David Crossley wrote: ifficulty for Anakia. Today i will investigate. Hooray, i fixed it. We were using a 1.5-dev version of Velocity. Now back to the 1.4 release version. Whoa. The problem was velocity 1.5? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Jan 31, 2006, at 1:59 PM, David Crossley wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: It would be kind of ironic if having complained about Forrest, when the Forrest team were so helpful and active here, that after converting to anakia, no one is around to help with the new process. Something that i have wondered for a long time. I reckon that each project needs a number of people who actually oversee the publishing process. They facilitate smooth operation to make it easy for others to do the publishing. It is not their job to actually do it, but to facilitate. Without such, a project is dysfunctional. Well, yeah, that is true of any project. However, once you get below the magic entry-barrier threshold, more people start working on the real problem (that the docs suck). But right now is a bad time to expect people to jump in, since most people have just received the annual load of new work after the holidays and have yet to find daylight. Roy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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David Crossley wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > David Crossley wrote: > > > David Crossley wrote: > > > > > > > > There seem to be DOS end-of-line markers only for text > > > > lines within and elements, etc. > > > > > > > > This must be fixed because cannot do 'svn add' with such > > > > a mess. > > > > > > > > No idea where they come from. The xdocs2/stylesheets/site.vsl > > > > is clear of them. > > I had done post-processing on the Forrest xdoc output > to word-wrap the long paragraphs that were in the > source html. This helps to make future diffs be readable. > Perhaps there is a relic that causes difficulty for Anakia. > > Today i will investigate. Hooray, i fixed it. We were using a 1.5-dev version of Velocity. Now back to the 1.4 release version. -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Noel J. Bergman wrote: > David Crossley wrote: > > David Crossley wrote: > > > > > > There seem to be DOS end-of-line markers only for text > > > lines within and elements, etc. > > > > > > This must be fixed because cannot do 'svn add' with such > > > a mess. > > > > > > No idea where they come from. The xdocs2/stylesheets/site.vsl > > > is clear of them. I had done post-processing on the Forrest xdoc output to word-wrap the long paragraphs that were in the source html. This helps to make future diffs be readable. Perhaps there is a relic that causes difficulty for Anakia. Today i will investigate. > > > Would someone familiar with Velocity/Anakia please help. > > > It is a serious impediment. > > It would be kind of ironic if having complained about Forrest, when the > Forrest team were so helpful and active here, that after converting to > anakia, no one is around to help with the new process. Something that i have wondered for a long time. I reckon that each project needs a number of people who actually oversee the publishing process. They facilitate smooth operation to make it easy for others to do the publishing. It is not their job to actually do it, but to facilitate. Without such, a project is dysfunctional. > > Okay, the conversion is finished now and the new site is published. > > Thanks for all of your effort. Thanks for appreciation. -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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David Crossley wrote: > David Crossley wrote: > > There seem to be DOS end-of-line markers only for text > > lines within and elements, etc. > > > > This must be fixed because cannot do 'svn add' with such > > a mess. > > > No idea where they come from. The xdocs2/stylesheets/site.vsl > > is clear of them. > > > > Would someone familiar with Velocity/Anakia please help. > It is a serious impediment. It would be kind of ironic if having complained about Forrest, when the Forrest team were so helpful and active here, that after converting to anakia, no one is around to help with the new process. > Okay, the conversion is finished now and the new site is published. Thanks for all of your effort. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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David Crossley wrote: > Jean T. Anderson wrote: > > > > One curious side note: I notice on linux that the generated project file > > has a mix of \n and \r \n line endings. Do you see the same? --It isn't > > in the source xml, so isn't a side effect of your conversion. > > Hmmm, yes i do. There seem to be DOS end-of-line markers > only for text lines within and elements, etc. > > This must be fixed because cannot do 'svn add' with such > a mess. > > No idea where they come from. The xdocs2/stylesheets/site.vsl > is clear of them. > > Would someone familiar with Velocity/Anakia please help. Okay, the conversion is finished now and the new site is published. There are a number of minor things remaining. Whoever is interested can look back through this email thread. The one major issue is alerted above by Jean. It is a serious impediment. See http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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David Crossley wrote: > > --- > 4) Fix some things in site-author > > At the moment these are not being processed by forrest > because they are not linked into the site. > > jcms.html exists only in site-publish/projects > i.e. no matching source in site-author/projects Doing some email searches show that jcms is now Graffito, so removed it. > mv projects/sandesha.cwiki ip-clearance + link to table. > mv projects/wss4j.cwiki ip-clearance + link to table. > > None of the harmony-* docs are linked into the > ip-clearance table. Done all of that. > These links must exist or the docs will not be converted. > Help please. > > --- So the critical things for item (4) are finished now. The html sources can use a clean-up. There is lots of unwanted stuff such as extra br elements and comments that will not be relevant for xdocs. I suggest that we do that post-conversion. -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jean T. Anderson wrote: > David Crossley wrote: > >Jean T. Anderson wrote: > >>David Crossley wrote: > >>... > >>The links on the left aren't working. Every link I click on comes up > >>"file not found". I checked the generated index.html and files are set > >>to root instead of relative to local; for example, this: > >> > >> Home > >> > >>needs to be ... > >> > >> Home > > > >Yeah, i don't understand how the linking operates. > >That is why i said in another thread that i cannot > >demo at my people.a.o space anymore. The docs2/* will > >function properly when it is placed at incubator.a.o > > > >We get the same situation when generating the > >infrastructure/site for e.g. a.o/dev/ > > > >After generating it, cannot use local links > >and so need to browser to specific pages, e.g. > >file:///svn/asf/incubator/site/docs2/faq.html > > oh! ok, thanks. I won't beat a dead horse then. :-) Perhaps it can be fixed. I don't know. > I spotchecked just a few projects (activeMQ, Roller, Solr, Woden) and > believe that all of the content has made it through your conversion ok. Thanks, good to cast other eyes over it. > The table under the "Project info" section is especially visually > confusing because there are normally quite a few blank cells -- it could > use borders if that's trivial; otherwise, easy to catch in a post > conversion cleanup. The site uses CSS so that should be easy to enhance later. Perhaps the stylesheets/site.vsl will need to add some extra class attributes. > And a table of contents at the top of the page would be nice if Anakia > can generate one. AFAIK it does not. Specific pages at /dev/ for example have a manual Table of Contents. > One curious side note: I notice on linux that the generated project file > has a mix of \n and \r \n line endings. Do you see the same? --It isn't > in the source xml, so isn't a side effect of your conversion. Hmmm, yes i do. There seem to be DOS end-of-line markers only for text lines within and elements, etc. This must be fixed because cannot do 'svn add' with such a mess. No idea where they come from. The xdocs2/stylesheets/site.vsl is clear of them. Would someone familiar with Velocity/Anakia please help. -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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David Crossley wrote: Jean T. Anderson wrote: David Crossley wrote: ... The links on the left aren't working. Every link I click on comes up "file not found". I checked the generated index.html and files are set to root instead of relative to local; for example, this: Home needs to be ... Home Yeah, i don't understand how the linking operates. That is why i said in another thread that i cannot demo at my people.a.o space anymore. The docs2/* will function properly when it is placed at incubator.a.o We get the same situation when generating the infrastructure/site for e.g. a.o/dev/ After generating it, cannot use local links and so need to browser to specific pages, e.g. file:///svn/asf/incubator/site/docs2/faq.html oh! ok, thanks. I won't beat a dead horse then. :-) I spotchecked just a few projects (activeMQ, Roller, Solr, Woden) and believe that all of the content has made it through your conversion ok. The table under the "Project info" section is especially visually confusing because there are normally quite a few blank cells -- it could use borders if that's trivial; otherwise, easy to catch in a post conversion cleanup. And a table of contents at the top of the page would be nice if Anakia can generate one. One curious side note: I notice on linux that the generated project file has a mix of \n and \r \n line endings. Do you see the same? --It isn't in the source xml, so isn't a side effect of your conversion. -jean - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jean T. Anderson wrote: > David Crossley wrote: > >David Crossley wrote: > > > >>I will 'svn ci' my generated xdocs into site/xdocs2 > >> > >>It would be good if some other people can look > >>over the new source docs and the Anakia side of things. > >>The more that we can get the forrest export to do > >>the better. > >> > >>However we need to trade that off with getting > >>this job done quickly. > > > > > >To ease the way, there is now a README.txt to > >explain how to build the new docs with Anakia. > >http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/site/README.txt > > The README.txt worked great -- thanks. I'm a complete Anakia newbie so > I'm a good guinea pig. Thanks for following that. Me too. > >Come on all, don't wait for Geir and me. > >Did the "projects" status reports and "ip-clearance" > >stuff get converted properly? > > The links on the left aren't working. Every link I click on comes up > "file not found". I checked the generated index.html and files are set > to root instead of relative to local; for example, this: > >Home > > needs to be ... > >Home Yeah, i don't understand how the linking operates. That is why i said in another thread that i cannot demo at my people.a.o space anymore. The docs2/* will function properly when it is placed at incubator.a.o We get the same situation when generating the infrastructure/site for e.g. a.o/dev/ After generating it, cannot use local links and so need to browser to specific pages, e.g. file:///svn/asf/incubator/site/docs2/faq.html > I'm not spotting where to fix that in the source. At xdocs2/stylesheets/project.xml > ... xdocs2/linkmap.xml has > entries such as this: > >Index No. I should remove that. Every forrest-generated site has this extra file automatically generated from the forrest site.xml. It shows the list of all pages. It is a bit crude but it helps. http://db.apache.org/derby/linkmap.html > Geir's first shot in xdocs/docs works, but I'm not spotting a linkmap > under xdocs like there is for xdocs2. So this Anakia newbie falleth > short on the troubleshooting front. :-) > > -jean > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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David Crossley wrote: David Crossley wrote: I will 'svn ci' my generated xdocs into site/xdocs2 It would be good if some other people can look over the new source docs and the Anakia side of things. The more that we can get the forrest export to do the better. However we need to trade that off with getting this job done quickly. To ease the way, there is now a README.txt to explain how to build the new docs with Anakia. http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/site/README.txt The README.txt worked great -- thanks. I'm a complete Anakia newbie so I'm a good guinea pig. Come on all, don't wait for Geir and me. Did the "projects" status reports and "ip-clearance" stuff get converted properly? The links on the left aren't working. Every link I click on comes up "file not found". I checked the generated index.html and files are set to root instead of relative to local; for example, this: Home needs to be ... Home I'm not spotting where to fix that in the source. xdocs2/linkmap.xml has entries such as this: Index Geir's first shot in xdocs/docs works, but I'm not spotting a linkmap under xdocs like there is for xdocs2. So this Anakia newbie falleth short on the troubleshooting front. :-) -jean - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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David Crossley wrote: > David Crossley wrote: > > David Crossley wrote: > > > --- > > > 2) Refine the stylesheet > > > > > > site/xdocs2/stylesheets/site.vsl > > > > > > Seen only one problem so far. It needs to handle > > > more than two levels of subsection. > > > > > > This can be fixed later. > > > > Youch, the stylesheet is producing hard-coded > > html style attributes such as > > > The stylesheet that produces a.o/dev/ is better > > behaved. Why not use that? > > > > Would an Anakia expert please take over that > > side of things. > > No-one is stepping up, so i am investigating > the stylesheet for the a.o/dev/ site. > > This will require reversal of some changes > to the Forrest-generated new source xdocs. > Going back to section/title and section/section > > This is why it is important to work this stuff > out at this early stage. That is done now. See svn r372684. This fixes the missing subsection titles and uses CSS and not tables. Much better. The trouble is that it uses hrefs with absolute pathnames, so i cannot demonstrate it at people.a.o See site/README.txt to build it yourself. -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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David Crossley wrote: > David Crossley wrote: > > --- > > 2) Refine the stylesheet > > > > site/xdocs2/stylesheets/site.vsl > > > > Seen only one problem so far. It needs to handle > > more than two levels of subsection. > > > > This can be fixed later. > > Youch, the stylesheet is producing hard-coded > html style attributes such as > The stylesheet that produces a.o/dev/ is better > behaved. Why not use that? > > Would an Anakia expert please take over that > side of things. No-one is stepping up, so i am investigating the stylesheet for the a.o/dev/ site. This will require reversal of some changes to the Forrest-generated new source xdocs. Going back to section/title and section/section This is why it is important to work this stuff out at this early stage. -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Gav wrote: > David Crossley wrote: > > | With the docs that come from *.html source, > | some of these have un-necessary elements > | inside elements. The Anakia stylesheet > | seems to choke on these. The important effect > | is those table cells are not displayed. > | For example, see the committers list at > | http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/projects/synapse.html > | > | Would someone fix the stylesheet please. > > Line 187 and Line 216 both say :- > > > I am not familiar enough with this site to patch but it looks > thats where the problem is. > > Shocking use of Tables for layout IMO but thats another story. I reckon that we don't want the Anakia stylesheet patched. We need a new one. See comments in the other branch of this thread. -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: "David Crossley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Incubator site status wrt a move to Anakia? | David Crossley wrote: | > It is time to make a plan for the move to Anakia. | > We cannot afford for it to drag on any longer. | > | > --- | > 1) Review the generated source documents in site/xdocs2 | > | > Did the transformation perform okay? | > | > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/site/README.txt | | Okay i did some myself. With projects/* | two that had *.html source (harmony and synapse) | and two that had *.cwiki source (jackrabbit and apollo). | | The data seems to be transformed properly. | I only did eyeball diffs. There are some issues. | | The third-level section headings are present | but not rendered. This is issue 2) below. | | With the docs that come from *.html source, | some of these have un-necessary elements | inside elements. The Anakia stylesheet | seems to choke on these. The important effect | is those table cells are not displayed. | For example, see the committers list at | http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/projects/synapse.html | | Would someone fix the stylesheet please. | Line 187 and Line 216 both say :-
Re: Incubator site status wrt a move to Anakia?
David Crossley wrote: > --- > 2) Refine the stylesheet > > site/xdocs2/stylesheets/site.vsl > > Seen only one problem so far. It needs to handle > more than two levels of subsection. > > This can be fixed later. Youch, the stylesheet is producing hard-coded html style attributes such as
Re: Incubator site status wrt a move to Anakia?
David Crossley wrote: > It is time to make a plan for the move to Anakia. > We cannot afford for it to drag on any longer. > > --- > 1) Review the generated source documents in site/xdocs2 > > Did the transformation perform okay? > > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/site/README.txt Okay i did some myself. With projects/* two that had *.html source (harmony and synapse) and two that had *.cwiki source (jackrabbit and apollo). The data seems to be transformed properly. I only did eyeball diffs. There are some issues. The third-level section headings are present but not rendered. This is issue 2) below. With the docs that come from *.html source, some of these have un-necessary elements inside elements. The Anakia stylesheet seems to choke on these. The important effect is those table cells are not displayed. For example, see the committers list at http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/projects/synapse.html Would someone fix the stylesheet please. I also checked a few documents at ip-clearance. Seems okay, although the source had confused section heading levels, which is carried over. So i reckon that these are not holdups. > --- > 2) Refine the stylesheet > > site/xdocs2/stylesheets/site.vsl > > Seen only one problem so far. It needs to handle > more than two levels of subsection. > > This can be fixed later. See above. -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It is time to make a plan for the move to Anakia. We cannot afford for it to drag on any longer. --- 1) Review the generated source documents in site/xdocs2 Did the transformation perform okay? http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/site/README.txt --- 2) Refine the stylesheet site/xdocs2/stylesheets/site.vsl Seen only one problem so far. It needs to handle more than two levels of subsection. This can be fixed later. --- 3) Add any missing links to side-panel For example, the new documents for the old "Learn" tab are in site/xdocs2/learn but are not yet linked into the site/xdocs2/stylesheets/project.xml This can be fixed later. --- 4) Fix some things in site-author At the moment these are not being processed by forrest because they are not linked into the site. jcms.html exists only in site-publish/projects i.e. no matching source in site-author/projects mv projects/sandesha.cwiki ip-clearance + link to table. mv projects/wss4j.cwiki ip-clearance + link to table. None of the harmony-* docs are linked into the ip-clearance table. These links must exist or the docs will not be converted. Help please. --- 5) Generate the final new xdocs --- 6) Set up the svn space incubator/public/trunk = top-level Install Anakia at this top-level, i.e. move the relevant contents of the new "site" directory up to this top level, i.e. its build.xml and lib directory. So the layout will be: README.txt STATUS build.xml ... relace old not-used file with site/build.xml lib ... the Anakia libraries site-author ... replaced with the new source docs site-publish ... the new Anakia-generated docs --- 7) Replace the existing content In site-author Retain the svn history. Do 'svn move' each file to have a .xml filename extension and then replace the content with that of the new sources from the site/xdocs2 directory. --- 8) Generate the new html docs --- 9) Clean up the site-publish diectory e.g. remove all the *.pdf e.g. remove the corner images and CSS, etc. --- 10) Fix the website This should not need to change. It will still be an 'svn update' of the "site-publish" directory as is done now. It is important to keep it that way, because i supsect that there is some extra content in there that is not generated by the docs system. --- 11) Further tidy of site-author Deal with some content that is not supposed to be there, e.g. sub-directories: activemq, agila, servicemix, geronimo, harmony, tapestry See various past requests to general@ list. --- 12) Explain how to use the Anakia-based system Replace the content at i.a.o/guides/website.html --- If there are no concerns about that, then i will go ahead early next week, i.e. 30/31 January. I would like assistance with steps 1, 2, and 4. Someone can attend to 3 and 11 later. -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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David Crossley wrote: > > I will 'svn ci' my generated xdocs into site/xdocs2 > > It would be good if some other people can look > over the new source docs and the Anakia side of things. > The more that we can get the forrest export to do > the better. > > However we need to trade that off with getting > this job done quickly. To ease the way, there is now a README.txt to explain how to build the new docs with Anakia. http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/site/README.txt Come on all, don't wait for Geir and me. Did the "projects" status reports and "ip-clearance" stuff get converted properly? -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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thx David Crossley wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: I thought there would be xdocs from the cwiki I could grab - otherwise, I need to convert the html to xdoc. I will 'svn ci' my generated xdocs into site/xdocs2 It would be good if some other people can look over the new source docs and the Anakia side of things. The more that we can get the forrest export to do the better. However we need to trade that off with getting this job done quickly. -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: > I thought there would be xdocs from the cwiki I could grab - otherwise, > I need to convert the html to xdoc. I will 'svn ci' my generated xdocs into site/xdocs2 It would be good if some other people can look over the new source docs and the Anakia side of things. The more that we can get the forrest export to do the better. However we need to trade that off with getting this job done quickly. -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I thought there would be xdocs from the cwiki I could grab - otherwise, I need to convert the html to xdoc. geir David Crossley wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: This is great. I've been A->B testing with the example I put on ~geir and things look good. I think some of my hand-done pages look better but that's because a) I did them by hand and b) I ain't gonna admit I was showed up by no fancy machine! :-) We can still do hand-tweaking later of course. Seriously - the cwiki pages were the last bit, I think - is there a place I can find those and try them? Sorry i don't understand what you mean. The current sources are at site-author/projects/*.cwiki Match them with ~crossley/.../projects/*.html -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 10:09:59AM +1100, David Crossley wrote: > The converted xdocs have: > > > > Whereas i think that Geir's Anakia template might be > expecting: > > > > I will try to fix it. Otherwise it will require manual tweaks. > That issue might occur in some other plain docs too. I think what I wrote below is the same problem: > > > -- > > > http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/howtoparticipate.html > > >seems to also be missing some headers. > > If you mean the table-of-contents, then that is a feature > added by Forrest generating. Can be switched on/off or > less/more levels, but only all pages or no pages. > > It is not in the Anakified version. I would say manual tweaks are okay too. Doing a CTRL-F for and replacing as appropriate is easy enough. LSD - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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David Crossley wrote: > David Crossley wrote: > > Leo Simons wrote: > > > > > > -- http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/faq.html > > >missing the questions! > > Ah thanks, this is a big problem. > > The converted xdocs have: > > > > Whereas i think that Geir's Anakia template might be > expecting: > > > > I will try to fix it. Otherwise it will require manual tweaks. > That issue might occur in some other plain docs too. Fixed the section/subsection thing. However the FAQ is still not right. I suspect that the remaining problem is in the Anakia stylesheet. The FAQ doc has three levels, i.e. -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jean T. Anderson wrote: > David Crossley wrote: > >... > >Can anyone see any other glitches in the conversion process? > > The anchors forrest generates for page sections are lost, so anything > that references them don't work. > > For example, close to the end of the "Podling Constraints" section in > http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html, > > the sentence "See instructions for project website" links to > howtoparticipate.html#Project+Website+Howto , but the Project+Website+Howto > anchor doesn't exist on howtoparticipate.html. > > If the anchors can't be auto-generated, I'll help add them in the > post-conversion cleanup. Fantastic, thanks for noticing that. It is so important. We cannot afford to break links. Yes that was just an ommission in the Forrest transformation. Fixed locally. Actually this is something that could use a big cleanup in the existing sources before we do the final transformation. If the author does not deliberately supply an anchor then Forrest tries to generate them. An example ... Source: site-author/howtoparticipate.html ... Project Website Howto ... Updating the top-level website If the source was xml then using an "id" attribute achieves the same effect. Generated doc: ... ... ... ... The first one used the section title, which can become very messy especially when long and containing non-alpha characters. The second is a clean deliberately-chosen anchor. -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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David Crossley wrote: ... Can anyone see any other glitches in the conversion process? The anchors forrest generates for page sections are lost, so anything that references them don't work. For example, close to the end of the "Podling Constraints" section in http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html, the sentence "See instructions for project website" links to howtoparticipate.html#Project+Website+Howto , but the Project+Website+Howto anchor doesn't exist on howtoparticipate.html. If the anchors can't be auto-generated, I'll help add them in the post-conversion cleanup. -jean - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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David Crossley wrote: > Leo Simons wrote: > > > > -- http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/faq.html > >missing the questions! Ah thanks, this is a big problem. The converted xdocs have: Whereas i think that Geir's Anakia template might be expecting: I will try to fix it. Otherwise it will require manual tweaks. That issue might occur in some other plain docs too. > > -- http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/howtoparticipate.html > >seems to also be missing some headers. If you mean the table-of-contents, then that is a feature added by Forrest generating. Can be switched on/off or less/more levels, but only all pages or no pages. It is not in the Anakified version. > > -- > > http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/ip-clearance/index.html > >missing a title The source html was missing the heading. --oOo-- Can anyone see any other glitches in the conversion process? -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Leo Simons wrote: > Dude, > > David Crossley wrote: > > Here is the result of my experiment ... > ... > > Thanks to the Forrest project for the new abilities. > > +1. Amazing. Kudos to you and the other forrest peeps for turing complaints > into feature requests and implementing the right bits. I hope the "howto" > for doing this stuff gets documented... Thanks Leo. That is the only possible course. > > Good result. > > Some stuff > > -- http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/faq.html >missing the questions! > > -- http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/howtoparticipate.html >seems to also be missing some headers. > > -- http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/ip-clearance/index.html >missing a title I will investigate those. > Nothing to do with the conversion...but noting these as I clicked around... Great. However these need to be attended to separately as they are content issues. -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: > This is great. I've been A->B testing with the example I put on ~geir > and things look good. I think some of my hand-done pages look better > but that's because a) I did them by hand and b) I ain't gonna admit I > was showed up by no fancy machine! :-) We can still do hand-tweaking later of course. > Seriously - the cwiki pages were the last bit, I think - is there a > place I can find those and try them? Sorry i don't understand what you mean. The current sources are at site-author/projects/*.cwiki Match them with ~crossley/.../projects/*.html -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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David, Looks nice. Great work! thanks. More feedback when i try out the build process. -- dims On 1/18/06, David Crossley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Responding to some issues that people have with the > layout of the current forrest-based website. > > [1] http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-forrest/ > > If you want me to implement any of these immediately > then say so. > > Get rid of PDF > -- > There was a PDF generated for every page. The idea was > that with complex process documentation people need to > print it to be able to read, comprehend, tick it, > show/file a paper copy, etc. > > A upcoming version of Forrest (probably not next) > will enable per-page PDFs rather than all-or-none. > > The PDF button at top-right is now removed. > The Print button remains. > > Get rid of Tabs > --- > There were four Tabs: > > Home - this still remains. > > Projects - All current projects were listed down the left. > This was superfluous and also meant that generated html > pages changed when a new project was added. > Gone now. > > Learn - The beginnings of some general documentation. > Gone now. I reckon that we should intead point to > www.a.o/dev/ documents. > > Whiteboard - just pointed to Wiki. > Gone now. Just have a link in the main navigation. > > Hidden items in left-hand navigation > > Incubation policy documents were hidden in collapsed > left-hand menus. > > This is a distinct lack with Forrest. By default > these groups of items are shown collapsed, and only > open when you select it or visit of the group's pages. > Will to Forrest issue tracker. Needs a "collapse" attribute. > > The workaround is to bung them all in the About group. > > Get rid of W3C html/css compliance logos > > Done. > > Change the logo and banner > -- > Can be done, but not done yet. > > Get rid of the swathes of blue bars > --- > Could do some minor tweaks, remove breadcrumb trail, > reduce footer, change colours. Not done yet. > Also Ross has the beginnings of another theme to > enable a bland look, if needed. > > -David > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This is great. I've been A->B testing with the example I put on ~geir and things look good. I think some of my hand-done pages look better but that's because a) I did them by hand and b) I ain't gonna admit I was showed up by no fancy machine! Seriously - the cwiki pages were the last bit, I think - is there a place I can find those and try them? geir David Crossley wrote: Here is the result of my experiment ... [1] http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/ The existing Incubator site was converted to Anakia xdoc format. I used a local copy of Geir's previous experiment [2] but with the forrest-generated anakia xdocs. We can tweak the Forrest plugin to match any changes in Geir's xdoc format and stylesheets. Anakia didn't report any errors with the final run. However, please look out for any strangeness. All the filenames and directories are the same as the existing Incubator site. So existing URLs are maintained. As with Geir's, i dropped the "learn" directory. The projects/*.cwiki files are all converted. If any documents were not linked in to the existing site then they will be missing. Also other resources will be missing. For example, i needed to manually retrieve a local image at Process_Description.html and if there were any directly linked PDF docs then they will be missing. This can be manually fixed later. There is still a strange situation with extra documents in sub-directories of site-author/projects/ e.g. agila, activemq, servicemix ... these seem to be project websites which are supposed to be elsewhere in the Incubator SVN. There is also some additional stuff in "geronimo". None of these documents are in the new site. I did a quick 'diff -rq' on people.apache.org and there are differences. Someone should investigate further. The conversion process can be run at anytime. It might take us a while to decide, etc. Now don't let any of this stop you from editing the current sources in site-author, especially in site-author/projects status reports. We can convert again at any time. This site transformation was done with trunk of Forrest (after i check some stuff in). I could check in new commented config to Incubator and describe how to do it. Lets wait a bit. Thanks to the Forrest project for the new abilities. Good result. [1] http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/ [2] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=incubator-general&m=113612265423731 "Experiment : Incubator site done in xdocs..." -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dude, On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 06:29:52PM +1100, David Crossley wrote: > Here is the result of my experiment ... ... > Thanks to the Forrest project for the new abilities. +1. Amazing. Kudos to you and the other forrest peeps for turing complaints into feature requests and implementing the right bits. I hope the "howto" for doing this stuff gets documented... > Good result. Some stuff -- http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/faq.html missing the questions! -- http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/howtoparticipate.html seems to also be missing some headers. -- http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/ip-clearance/index.html missing a title Nothing to do with the conversion...but noting these as I clicked around... -- linkback to "ASF" is confusing right now -- http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/resolution.html should probably point out how PMC roster and chair is different today -- http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/whoweare.html PMC roster here is outdated. Should update, and in the meantime point at the SVN location for the "official" roster -- left hand menu says "mailing lists" while it points to the "how to participate" doc. This is confusing. -- http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html I was amazed that we don't actually *have* any entry requirements on the site (it says "need to provide a short list"). How on earth has everyone been writing these things? Copy-paste? Kudos to the people working on this :-) -- several pages contain email addresses. Can we obfuscate those a little? Should help the moderators a little... -- http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/guides/chair.html Quite a bit of this content is not incubator-specific. I'm sure it'd make sense to centralize. cheers! LSD - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Responding to some issues that people have with the layout of the current forrest-based website. [1] http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-forrest/ If you want me to implement any of these immediately then say so. Get rid of PDF -- There was a PDF generated for every page. The idea was that with complex process documentation people need to print it to be able to read, comprehend, tick it, show/file a paper copy, etc. A upcoming version of Forrest (probably not next) will enable per-page PDFs rather than all-or-none. The PDF button at top-right is now removed. The Print button remains. Get rid of Tabs --- There were four Tabs: Home - this still remains. Projects - All current projects were listed down the left. This was superfluous and also meant that generated html pages changed when a new project was added. Gone now. Learn - The beginnings of some general documentation. Gone now. I reckon that we should intead point to www.a.o/dev/ documents. Whiteboard - just pointed to Wiki. Gone now. Just have a link in the main navigation. Hidden items in left-hand navigation Incubation policy documents were hidden in collapsed left-hand menus. This is a distinct lack with Forrest. By default these groups of items are shown collapsed, and only open when you select it or visit of the group's pages. Will to Forrest issue tracker. Needs a "collapse" attribute. The workaround is to bung them all in the About group. Get rid of W3C html/css compliance logos Done. Change the logo and banner -- Can be done, but not done yet. Get rid of the swathes of blue bars --- Could do some minor tweaks, remove breadcrumb trail, reduce footer, change colours. Not done yet. Also Ross has the beginnings of another theme to enable a bland look, if needed. -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Here is the result of my experiment ... [1] http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/ The existing Incubator site was converted to Anakia xdoc format. I used a local copy of Geir's previous experiment [2] but with the forrest-generated anakia xdocs. We can tweak the Forrest plugin to match any changes in Geir's xdoc format and stylesheets. Anakia didn't report any errors with the final run. However, please look out for any strangeness. All the filenames and directories are the same as the existing Incubator site. So existing URLs are maintained. As with Geir's, i dropped the "learn" directory. The projects/*.cwiki files are all converted. If any documents were not linked in to the existing site then they will be missing. Also other resources will be missing. For example, i needed to manually retrieve a local image at Process_Description.html and if there were any directly linked PDF docs then they will be missing. This can be manually fixed later. There is still a strange situation with extra documents in sub-directories of site-author/projects/ e.g. agila, activemq, servicemix ... these seem to be project websites which are supposed to be elsewhere in the Incubator SVN. There is also some additional stuff in "geronimo". None of these documents are in the new site. I did a quick 'diff -rq' on people.apache.org and there are differences. Someone should investigate further. The conversion process can be run at anytime. It might take us a while to decide, etc. Now don't let any of this stop you from editing the current sources in site-author, especially in site-author/projects status reports. We can convert again at any time. This site transformation was done with trunk of Forrest (after i check some stuff in). I could check in new commented config to Incubator and describe how to do it. Lets wait a bit. Thanks to the Forrest project for the new abilities. Good result. [1] http://people.apache.org/~crossley/incubator-anakia/ [2] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=incubator-general&m=113612265423731 "Experiment : Incubator site done in xdocs..." -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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David Crossley wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: I thought all of it was pretty much done except for the project pages in cwiki, but you said those are HTML, so just waiting for a shipment of Round Tuits Yes but Anakia doesn't deal with HTML, does it? Right - so I have to convert them all... I am not sure what you were waiting for. I think that we were all expecting for you to continue. My shipment of Round Tuits was delayed. Others can pitch in though :) Like i said in another thread, don't wait for me to provide a solution. Anyway i have fast-tracked my work because the delays cannot be sustained. Sounds cool, though. Yes i am really pleased with the new Forrest ability. -David geir David Crossley wrote: David Crossley wrote: I am investigating creating a Forrest output plugin to do the complete conversion. If Geir or others come up with another solution then fine, this will still be a useful tool for Forrest. Update: We now have a Forrest output plugin working to generate Anakia xdocs from the current Incubator site. Needs more work on the plugin to transform the output and adjust some xml attributes. We should be able to do a repeatable process. So the rest of you keep on editing content. Later we will do a batch conversion. -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: > I thought all of it was pretty much done except for the project pages in > cwiki, but you said those are HTML, so just waiting for a shipment of > Round Tuits Yes but Anakia doesn't deal with HTML, does it? I am not sure what you were waiting for. I think that we were all expecting for you to continue. Like i said in another thread, don't wait for me to provide a solution. Anyway i have fast-tracked my work because the delays cannot be sustained. > Sounds cool, though. Yes i am really pleased with the new Forrest ability. -David > geir > > David Crossley wrote: > >David Crossley wrote: > >>I am investigating creating a Forrest output plugin > >>to do the complete conversion. If Geir or others > >>come up with another solution then fine, this will > >>still be a useful tool for Forrest. > > > >Update: We now have a Forrest output plugin working to > >generate Anakia xdocs from the current Incubator site. > >Needs more work on the plugin to transform the output > >and adjust some xml attributes. We should be able to > >do a repeatable process. > > > >So the rest of you keep on editing content. Later > >we will do a batch conversion. > > > >-David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I thought all of it was pretty much done except for the project pages in cwiki, but you said those are HTML, so just waiting for a shipment of Round Tuits Sounds cool, though. geir David Crossley wrote: David Crossley wrote: I am investigating creating a Forrest output plugin to do the complete conversion. If Geir or others come up with another solution then fine, this will still be a useful tool for Forrest. Update: We now have a Forrest output plugin working to generate Anakia xdocs from the current Incubator site. Needs more work on the plugin to transform the output and adjust some xml attributes. We should be able to do a repeatable process. So the rest of you keep on editing content. Later we will do a batch conversion. -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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David Crossley wrote: > > I am investigating creating a Forrest output plugin > to do the complete conversion. If Geir or others > come up with another solution then fine, this will > still be a useful tool for Forrest. Update: We now have a Forrest output plugin working to generate Anakia xdocs from the current Incubator site. Needs more work on the plugin to transform the output and adjust some xml attributes. We should be able to do a repeatable process. So the rest of you keep on editing content. Later we will do a batch conversion. -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jean T. Anderson wrote: > David Crossley wrote: > >Jean T. Anderson wrote: > > > >>What's the status of moving the incubator site to Anakia? There seemed > >>to be strong preferences leaning that way up until a couple weeks ago. > >>Here's the last thread I spotted in the archive: > >>http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200601.mbox/[EMAIL > >> PROTECTED] > > > >There was another query about the status too. > >http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200601.mbox/[EMAIL > > PROTECTED] > > > >As usual people are keen, but we lack action. > > I lack sufficent experience with anakia (none) and forrest (minimal -- I > just use easy defaults) to drive this migration, but am willing to help > with the grunt level clean up and verification. Great. I don't know much about Anakia either. From what i have seen from using this one, it is very straight-forward. http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-site.html Also their is Geir's experiment at incubator/site to play with and tweak output stylesheets and stuff. > >>I'd like to introduce more site content cleanup, but wanted to wait > >>until that was resolved. > > > >Yes, i didn't know what to do. The resolving is taking > >too long. Finally patches are being contributed. I will > >always opt for encouraging the contributors. > > > >Hopefully Geir's transformation process is repeatable. > >If not then we can try to manually apply the changes, erk. > > A near-term option might be to go ahead and continue updating the > forrest source, but to also: > > - Make it clear on this list and on the web site that this is just a > near-term option pending a final migration plan (and add a note to that > effect to the top of http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html). It should not matter to the content editors. Lets make the conversion process repeatable. We can then run it a number of times until it doing a full job. > - Package forrest in the incubator site build as Noel suggested on > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200512.mbox/[EMAIL > PROTECTED] > This would make it easier for anyone who wishes to build and would also > minimize template collisions for those of us who use the formal forrest > 0.7 release on another project. If someone is brave enough to add that much weight to the svn checkout of incubator. I don't think that it is worth it. My suggestion is for people to concentrate on content and just one or two of us do manual generation from time-to-time. > - I'll offer to help you build/publish (at least this would gain a > builder in a different time zone). Fantastic. I just watch the incubator-cvs list, and do it whenever i can. > >>btw, I have a little bandwidth now. If Geir is > >>mostly there but needs some help, I can offer it. Well we are not hearing from Geir, and the others that wanted to move are not helping, so lets try. I am investigating creating a Forrest output plugin to do the complete conversion. If Geir or others come up with another solution then fine, this will still be a useful tool for Forrest. -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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David Crossley wrote: Jean T. Anderson wrote: What's the status of moving the incubator site to Anakia? There seemed to be strong preferences leaning that way up until a couple weeks ago. Here's the last thread I spotted in the archive: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200601.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] There was another query about the status too. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200601.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] As usual people are keen, but we lack action. I lack sufficent experience with anakia (none) and forrest (minimal -- I just use easy defaults) to drive this migration, but am willing to help with the grunt level clean up and verification. I'd like to introduce more site content cleanup, but wanted to wait until that was resolved. Yes, i didn't know what to do. The resolving is taking too long. Finally patches are being contributed. I will always opt for encouraging the contributors. Hopefully Geir's transformation process is repeatable. If not then we can try to manually apply the changes, erk. A near-term option might be to go ahead and continue updating the forrest source, but to also: - Make it clear on this list and on the web site that this is just a near-term option pending a final migration plan (and add a note to that effect to the top of http://incubator.apache.org/guides/website.html). - Package forrest in the incubator site build as Noel suggested on http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200512.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] This would make it easier for anyone who wishes to build and would also minimize template collisions for those of us who use the formal forrest 0.7 release on another project. - I'll offer to help you build/publish (at least this would gain a builder in a different time zone). -jean -David btw, I have a little bandwidth now. If Geir is mostly there but needs some help, I can offer it. -jean - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jean T. Anderson wrote: > What's the status of moving the incubator site to Anakia? There seemed > to be strong preferences leaning that way up until a couple weeks ago. > Here's the last thread I spotted in the archive: > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200601.mbox/[EMAIL > PROTECTED] There was another query about the status too. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200601.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] As usual people are keen, but we lack action. > I'd like to introduce more site content cleanup, but wanted to wait > until that was resolved. Yes, i didn't know what to do. The resolving is taking too long. Finally patches are being contributed. I will always opt for encouraging the contributors. Hopefully Geir's transformation process is repeatable. If not then we can try to manually apply the changes, erk. -David > btw, I have a little bandwidth now. If Geir is > mostly there but needs some help, I can offer it. > > -jean - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
