Re: Switching incubator.apache.org to svnpubsub?
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Justin Erenkrantz jus...@erenkrantz.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:26 AM, Paul Querna p...@querna.org wrote: It is possible to run an incubator.staging.apache.org, syncing off a branch, and the live site off trunk, or vice versa. (possible, but I wouldn't recommend it, merging html changes like that is pretty meh) I think we pretty much have consensus so far to switch the main site. However, I know before we can deploy this for incubator.a.o that we need to determine how to get svnpubsub to deal with subdirs that aren't necessarily using svnpubsub - as we do not necessarily want to force all of the podlings to switch their sites right now. So...thoughts here? I think you mentioned tweaking our rsync scripts, right? Whats the status of this - do we still need to do svn up or is svnpubsub now implemented? Niall (Perhaps we should move this conversation to infra-dev?) -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Switching incubator.apache.org to svnpubsub?
On 6/17/2010 9:06 AM, Niall Pemberton wrote: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Justin Erenkrantz jus...@erenkrantz.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:26 AM, Paul Querna p...@querna.org wrote: It is possible to run an incubator.staging.apache.org, syncing off a branch, and the live site off trunk, or vice versa. (possible, but I wouldn't recommend it, merging html changes like that is pretty meh) I think we pretty much have consensus so far to switch the main site. However, I know before we can deploy this for incubator.a.o that we need to determine how to get svnpubsub to deal with subdirs that aren't necessarily using svnpubsub - as we do not necessarily want to force all of the podlings to switch their sites right now. So...thoughts here? I think you mentioned tweaking our rsync scripts, right? Whats the status of this - do we still need to do svn up or is svnpubsub now implemented? Do we really want to do this? svnpubsub remains unsupported, AFAICT, and it's uptime/reliability has been dismal. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Switching incubator.apache.org to svnpubsub?
On 6/17/2010 2:30 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 6/17/2010 9:06 AM, Niall Pemberton wrote: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Justin Erenkrantz jus...@erenkrantz.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:26 AM, Paul Querna p...@querna.org wrote: It is possible to run an incubator.staging.apache.org, syncing off a branch, and the live site off trunk, or vice versa. (possible, but I wouldn't recommend it, merging html changes like that is pretty meh) I think we pretty much have consensus so far to switch the main site. However, I know before we can deploy this for incubator.a.o that we need to determine how to get svnpubsub to deal with subdirs that aren't necessarily using svnpubsub - as we do not necessarily want to force all of the podlings to switch their sites right now. So...thoughts here? I think you mentioned tweaking our rsync scripts, right? Whats the status of this - do we still need to do svn up or is svnpubsub now implemented? Do we really want to do this? svnpubsub remains unsupported, AFAICT, and it's uptime/reliability has been dismal. Speaking of, that service in moving from Solaris in the very near future, which is rumored to be the origin of the stability problems. So if incubator were to wait a short period until that move, we might not have any issues once it has been rolled out. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
RE: Switching incubator.apache.org to svnpubsub?
Do we really want to do this? svnpubsub remains unsupported, AFAICT, and it's uptime/reliability has been dismal. I don't see any reason to make the change until infra tells us to do it, or at least likes the idea. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Switching incubator.apache.org to svnpubsub?
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:26 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On 2/4/2010 11:24 PM, Martin Cooper wrote: In that case, +0 from me. We gain the elimination of the p.a.o bit but lose the benefit of the delay, so it's basically a wash, as far as I'm concerned. After several years of watching incubator site commits, I don't see this is a serious problem. I've been cursed by the delay far more often than I've seen folks win from the delay. That said, I sure could use the email delay I had in Eudora that is missing from Thunderbird ;~) It is possible to run an incubator.staging.apache.org, syncing off a branch, and the live site off trunk, or vice versa. (possible, but I wouldn't recommend it, merging html changes like that is pretty meh) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Switching incubator.apache.org to svnpubsub?
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Justin Erenkrantz jus...@erenkrantz.com wrote: This would mean that any commits made to the site-publish tree would automatically be deployed to the site. No more delays, no more SSH and SVN up fun. Yay. +1, one doesn't have to be very tired or distracted long enough to forget it... Cheers -- Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Switching incubator.apache.org to svnpubsub?
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:26 AM, Paul Querna p...@querna.org wrote: It is possible to run an incubator.staging.apache.org, syncing off a branch, and the live site off trunk, or vice versa. (possible, but I wouldn't recommend it, merging html changes like that is pretty meh) I think we pretty much have consensus so far to switch the main site. However, I know before we can deploy this for incubator.a.o that we need to determine how to get svnpubsub to deal with subdirs that aren't necessarily using svnpubsub - as we do not necessarily want to force all of the podlings to switch their sites right now. So...thoughts here? I think you mentioned tweaking our rsync scripts, right? (Perhaps we should move this conversation to infra-dev?) -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Switching incubator.apache.org to svnpubsub?
2010/2/5 Justin Erenkrantz jus...@erenkrantz.com: (Perhaps we should move this conversation to infra-dev?) -- justin Or maybe site-dev, not really sure Regards Santiago - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Switching incubator.apache.org to svnpubsub?
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Justin Erenkrantz jus...@erenkrantz.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Martin Cooper mart...@apache.org wrote: Unless I'm missing something, using svnpubsub will only remove the need for the second part (checkout on p.a.o), but not the first part (Anakia). People will still need to run Anakia to generate the HTML pages from the XML sources, but when they check in the HTML, it will go live immediately instead of being delayed. Right? Yup - you've got it. -- justin In that case, +0 from me. We gain the elimination of the p.a.o bit but lose the benefit of the delay, so it's basically a wash, as far as I'm concerned. -- Martin Cooper - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Switching incubator.apache.org to svnpubsub?
On 2/4/2010 11:24 PM, Martin Cooper wrote: In that case, +0 from me. We gain the elimination of the p.a.o bit but lose the benefit of the delay, so it's basically a wash, as far as I'm concerned. After several years of watching incubator site commits, I don't see this is a serious problem. I've been cursed by the delay far more often than I've seen folks win from the delay. That said, I sure could use the email delay I had in Eudora that is missing from Thunderbird ;~) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Switching incubator.apache.org to svnpubsub?
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 1:57 AM, Justin Erenkrantz jus...@erenkrantz.com wrote: Hi general@, I'd like to suggest switching incubator.apache.org over to svnpubsub. (We can do so by filing a JIRA like INFRA-2349: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2349) +1. Yoav - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Switching incubator.apache.org to svnpubsub?
On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 22:57 -0800, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: Hi general@, I'd like to suggest switching incubator.apache.org over to svnpubsub. (We can do so by filing a JIRA like INFRA-2349: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2349) This would mean that any commits made to the site-publish tree would automatically be deployed to the site. No more delays, no more SSH and SVN up fun. Yay. This does mean you trade off the fact that you can't delay anything - but, in general, I think that's fine for the incubator site and would substantially lower the barrier of entry to folks working on the Incubator site. Often times, people's first experience with the ASF is through the podlings, so I think it would be nice if we could make it a bit easier to publish the incubator.a.o site. What do folks think? -- justin P.S. On IRC, Paul mentions there may be some complications with respect to podling sites as sub-directories, but he promises that it is feasible to address. *grin* While I'd like to see a decent CMS set up, pubsub is here now, and much better than what we currently have. Also, as has been said, few podlings will opt for the current Anakia/checkout on p.a.o approach, so there's little argument that making them use it for the incubator site is 'educational'. So, here's my +1. Upayavira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Switching incubator.apache.org to svnpubsub?
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 6:51 AM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 22:57 -0800, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: Hi general@, I'd like to suggest switching incubator.apache.org over to svnpubsub. (We can do so by filing a JIRA like INFRA-2349: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2349) This would mean that any commits made to the site-publish tree would automatically be deployed to the site. No more delays, no more SSH and SVN up fun. Yay. This does mean you trade off the fact that you can't delay anything - but, in general, I think that's fine for the incubator site and would substantially lower the barrier of entry to folks working on the Incubator site. Often times, people's first experience with the ASF is through the podlings, so I think it would be nice if we could make it a bit easier to publish the incubator.a.o site. What do folks think? -- justin P.S. On IRC, Paul mentions there may be some complications with respect to podling sites as sub-directories, but he promises that it is feasible to address. *grin* While I'd like to see a decent CMS set up, pubsub is here now, and much better than what we currently have. Also, as has been said, few podlings will opt for the current Anakia/checkout on p.a.o approach, so there's little argument that making them use it for the incubator site is 'educational'. Unless I'm missing something, using svnpubsub will only remove the need for the second part (checkout on p.a.o), but not the first part (Anakia). People will still need to run Anakia to generate the HTML pages from the XML sources, but when they check in the HTML, it will go live immediately instead of being delayed. Right? -- Martin Cooper So, here's my +1. Upayavira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Switching incubator.apache.org to svnpubsub?
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: Hi general@, I'd like to suggest switching incubator.apache.org over to svnpubsub. terrific idea! +1 -jean - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Switching incubator.apache.org to svnpubsub?
On 02/02/2010 11:57 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: Hi general@, I'd like to suggest switching incubator.apache.org over to svnpubsub. (We can do so by filing a JIRA like INFRA-2349: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2349) +1 from me too. As a current incubator contributor, this would make things easier, although I never thought the p.a.o step was particularly cumbersome, just inconvenient. Fwiw, Traffic Server switched to the pubsub system for our distributions area, and it works well. -- Leif - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Switching incubator.apache.org to svnpubsub?
+1 On 2/3/2010 1:57 AM, Gav... wrote: This system is not applied to most TLPs, though they can request it. And I'm betting that every single project that graduates will make that request rather than learn the old cumbersome way. ++1 :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Switching incubator.apache.org to svnpubsub?
Martin Cooper wrote: Unless I'm missing something, using svnpubsub will only remove the need for the second part (checkout on p.a.o), but not the first part (Anakia). People will still need to run Anakia to generate the HTML pages from the XML sources, but when they check in the HTML, it will go live immediately instead of being delayed. Right? Does 'svnpubsub' also dispense with the hourly rsync step to truly be live. i.e. http://apache.org/dev/project-site.html find-in-page: rsync Is there a description of svnpubsub? -David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Switching incubator.apache.org to svnpubsub?
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 5:02 PM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: Does 'svnpubsub' also dispense with the hourly rsync step to truly be live. i.e. http://apache.org/dev/project-site.html find-in-page: rsync Yes. Is there a description of svnpubsub? Other than: https://svn.apache.org/repos/infra/infrastructure/trunk/projects/svnpubsub/svnpubsub.py and emails Paul has sent to all projects, I'm not sure. I know infra has some docs about how they configure it on their end, but from the project's perspective, they just commit and magic happens. -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Switching incubator.apache.org to svnpubsub?
Hi general@, I'd like to suggest switching incubator.apache.org over to svnpubsub. (We can do so by filing a JIRA like INFRA-2349: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2349) This would mean that any commits made to the site-publish tree would automatically be deployed to the site. No more delays, no more SSH and SVN up fun. Yay. This does mean you trade off the fact that you can't delay anything - but, in general, I think that's fine for the incubator site and would substantially lower the barrier of entry to folks working on the Incubator site. Often times, people's first experience with the ASF is through the podlings, so I think it would be nice if we could make it a bit easier to publish the incubator.a.o site. What do folks think? -- justin P.S. On IRC, Paul mentions there may be some complications with respect to podling sites as sub-directories, but he promises that it is feasible to address. *grin* - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Switching incubator.apache.org to svnpubsub?
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: +1 from me on this - I'd see the OODT changes more quickly, right? Indeed! Your note re: OODT is what triggered me to send this email. =P -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Switching incubator.apache.org to svnpubsub?
Hi, On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Justin Erenkrantz jus...@erenkrantz.com wrote: I'd like to suggest switching incubator.apache.org over to svnpubsub. +1! BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Switching incubator.apache.org to svnpubsub?
+1 from me too! Cheers, Tommaso 2010/2/3 Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com Hi, On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Justin Erenkrantz jus...@erenkrantz.com wrote: I'd like to suggest switching incubator.apache.org over to svnpubsub. +1! BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Switching incubator.apache.org to svnpubsub?
+0.9 I agree that the site update process is cumbersome, but it also gives podling folks an incentive to log on to p.a.o and learn to use that system to their advantage. Moving to svnpubsub would take that away. That said, I think that most committers never have to go to p.a.o in any case so perhaps the point is moot. Martijn On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Justin Erenkrantz jus...@erenkrantz.com wrote: Hi general@, I'd like to suggest switching incubator.apache.org over to svnpubsub. (We can do so by filing a JIRA like INFRA-2349: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2349) This would mean that any commits made to the site-publish tree would automatically be deployed to the site. No more delays, no more SSH and SVN up fun. Yay. This does mean you trade off the fact that you can't delay anything - but, in general, I think that's fine for the incubator site and would substantially lower the barrier of entry to folks working on the Incubator site. Often times, people's first experience with the ASF is through the podlings, so I think it would be nice if we could make it a bit easier to publish the incubator.a.o site. What do folks think? -- justin P.S. On IRC, Paul mentions there may be some complications with respect to podling sites as sub-directories, but he promises that it is feasible to address. *grin* - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Become a Wicket expert, learn from the best: http://wicketinaction.com Apache Wicket 1.4 increases type safety for web applications Get it now: http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/wicket/1.4.4 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
RE: Switching incubator.apache.org to svnpubsub?
-Original Message- From: Martijn Dashorst [mailto:martijn.dasho...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 3 February 2010 5:28 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Switching incubator.apache.org to svnpubsub? +0.9 I agree that the site update process is cumbersome, but it also gives podling folks an incentive to log on to p.a.o and learn to use that system to their advantage. Moving to svnpubsub would take that away. Only whilst they are podlings. This system is not applied to most TLPs, though they can request it. And I'm betting that every single project that graduates will make that request rather than learn the old cumbersome way. Gav... That said, I think that most committers never have to go to p.a.o in any case so perhaps the point is moot. Martijn On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Justin Erenkrantz jus...@erenkrantz.com wrote: Hi general@, I'd like to suggest switching incubator.apache.org over to svnpubsub. (We can do so by filing a JIRA like INFRA-2349: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2349) This would mean that any commits made to the site-publish tree would automatically be deployed to the site. No more delays, no more SSH and SVN up fun. Yay. This does mean you trade off the fact that you can't delay anything - but, in general, I think that's fine for the incubator site and would substantially lower the barrier of entry to folks working on the Incubator site. Often times, people's first experience with the ASF is through the podlings, so I think it would be nice if we could make it a bit easier to publish the incubator.a.o site. What do folks think? -- justin P.S. On IRC, Paul mentions there may be some complications with respect to podling sites as sub-directories, but he promises that it is feasible to address. *grin* - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Become a Wicket expert, learn from the best: http://wicketinaction.com Apache Wicket 1.4 increases type safety for web applications Get it now: http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/wicket/1.4.4 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
