Re: Wink status (Was: Shepherds for podling reports)
Hi, On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 2:37 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: So strictly speaking this doesn't seem to meet the documented Incubator graduation requirements. Thanks for the insight! It sounds like Wink should try attracting more active committers or go try graduating into a subproject as discussed. Alternatively, as you say, a viable enough TLP could be formed if enough committed mentors or other IPMC members are willing to step up to provide enough diverse oversight for a standalone Wink PMC. PS. I talked with Steve Loughran about his mentorship in Wink. He's no longer actively involved, so I removed him from the list of Wink mentors. That leaves Wink with Kevan and Davanum as mentors. BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Wink status (Was: Shepherds for podling reports)
Jukka, Agree with your and Ant's assessment -- dims On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 2:37 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: So strictly speaking this doesn't seem to meet the documented Incubator graduation requirements. Thanks for the insight! It sounds like Wink should try attracting more active committers or go try graduating into a subproject as discussed. Alternatively, as you say, a viable enough TLP could be formed if enough committed mentors or other IPMC members are willing to step up to provide enough diverse oversight for a  standalone Wink PMC. PS. I talked with Steve Loughran about his mentorship in Wink. He's no longer actively involved, so I removed him from the list of Wink mentors. That leaves Wink with Kevan and Davanum as mentors. BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Wink status (Was: Shepherds for podling reports)
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Kevan Miller kevan.mil...@gmail.com wrote: On May 9, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Luciano Resende wrote: On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Thanks for the report, Wink, and for the review, Dave! On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: From activity it looks like this project should have graduated into a TLP a year ago. It looks like a mature and well developed project. I don't understand why they think that they should become a subproject of Geronimo or Tuscany. They are a mature and useful tool. It's time for this bird to fly on its own wings. They are an example of a small, viable community that contributes to more than one other community. Podling Namesearch and graduation should be next. Wink, any thoughts on this? BR, Jukka Zitting +1, This is my opinion as well, but we started considering other options mainly because of some feedback we got on the last discussion on the Wink mailing list (see summary on February board report). If the IPMC thinks otherwise and would be ok with the Wink project graduation based on a small, viable community that contributes to more than one other community I'm more then happy to continue the Graduation process. IIRC, there was one email that raised a concern about the diversity of the community. I don't think there was any subsequent discussion (for or against this concern). Actually, looks like this was the latest word on the subject: On Feb 2, 2012, at 8:49 AM, ant elder wrote: ...talks had halted as one member has not agreed to proceed with graduation... thats a little harsh, I just questioned the level of activity and said it would be an easier decision if Wink was more active. I'll comment as thats an email from me thats been brought up - I made that comment in relation to a graduation discussion on wink-dev in January: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-wink-dev/201201.mbox/%3CCAJO+Ubugk5kvdBq=c7iYKatDo14Ha3AGN=rts70xoxcaebw...@mail.gmail.com%3E In the six month period up till then there had been a total of six commits from two committers: http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/ASF/search?from=20110713to=20120113path=%2Fincubator%2Fwink. From my watching of the project over that time there had also been a number of emails from users, JIRAs, and patches gone ignored. So that didn't seem to me like enough activity to graduate. Note that I'm not a mentor of Wink but I watch the poddling as we use it in Tuscany. Its four months later now and things have improved a little, looking at the commit situation since then shows there has been more commits (34) but still from just two committers and both those work for the same employer, i don't know if they commit as part of their day job but AIUI Wink is used in their production apps, so the diversity is not great. The two active committers only became committers after most of the code was written and the others moved on so probably don't have an in depth knowledge of the code, they're doing a release now so thats good, but there isn't new development going on and most changes are minor tweaks and applying the odd user patch. So strictly speaking this doesn't seem to meet the documented Incubator graduation requirements. I don't really see the problem with just letting Wink keep incubating till they attract more active committers, but if theres no appetite for that then I expect a 4 or 5 person PMC could be got together from all the Incubator PMC members and mentors subscribed to the dev list which could make a viable TLP PMC. ...ant - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Wink status (Was: Shepherds for podling reports)
Hi, Thanks for the report, Wink, and for the review, Dave! On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: From activity it looks like this project should have graduated into a TLP a year ago. It looks like a mature and well developed project. I don't understand why they think that they should become a subproject of Geronimo or Tuscany. They are a mature and useful tool. It's time for this bird to fly on its own wings. They are an example of a small, viable community that contributes to more than one other community. Podling Namesearch and graduation should be next. Wink, any thoughts on this? BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Wink status (Was: Shepherds for podling reports)
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Thanks for the report, Wink, and for the review, Dave! On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: From activity it looks like this project should have graduated into a TLP a year ago. It looks like a mature and well developed project. I don't understand why they think that they should become a subproject of Geronimo or Tuscany. They are a mature and useful tool. It's time for this bird to fly on its own wings. They are an example of a small, viable community that contributes to more than one other community. Podling Namesearch and graduation should be next. Wink, any thoughts on this? BR, Jukka Zitting +1, This is my opinion as well, but we started considering other options mainly because of some feedback we got on the last discussion on the Wink mailing list (see summary on February board report). If the IPMC thinks otherwise and would be ok with the Wink project graduation based on a small, viable community that contributes to more than one other community I'm more then happy to continue the Graduation process. [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/February2012 -- Luciano Resende http://people.apache.org/~lresende http://twitter.com/lresende1975 http://lresende.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Wink status (Was: Shepherds for podling reports)
On 9 May 2012, at 17:23, Luciano Resende wrote: On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Thanks for the report, Wink, and for the review, Dave! On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: From activity it looks like this project should have graduated into a TLP a year ago. It looks like a mature and well developed project. I don't understand why they think that they should become a subproject of Geronimo or Tuscany. They are a mature and useful tool. It's time for this bird to fly on its own wings. They are an example of a small, viable community that contributes to more than one other community. Podling Namesearch and graduation should be next. Wink, any thoughts on this? BR, Jukka Zitting +1, This is my opinion as well, but we started considering other options mainly because of some feedback we got on the last discussion on the Wink mailing list (see summary on February board report). If the IPMC thinks otherwise and would be ok with the Wink project graduation based on a small, viable community that contributes to more than one other community I'm more then happy to continue the Graduation process. +1 I've used Wink and its a great project - I think it should be a TLP in its own right rather than a subproject as being a standalone, relatively simple framework rather than part of a great big stack is one of its selling points (for me at least) [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/February2012 -- Luciano Resende http://people.apache.org/~lresende http://twitter.com/lresende1975 http://lresende.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Wink status (Was: Shepherds for podling reports)
On May 9, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Luciano Resende wrote: On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Thanks for the report, Wink, and for the review, Dave! On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: From activity it looks like this project should have graduated into a TLP a year ago. It looks like a mature and well developed project. I don't understand why they think that they should become a subproject of Geronimo or Tuscany. They are a mature and useful tool. It's time for this bird to fly on its own wings. They are an example of a small, viable community that contributes to more than one other community. Podling Namesearch and graduation should be next. Wink, any thoughts on this? BR, Jukka Zitting +1, This is my opinion as well, but we started considering other options mainly because of some feedback we got on the last discussion on the Wink mailing list (see summary on February board report). If the IPMC thinks otherwise and would be ok with the Wink project graduation based on a small, viable community that contributes to more than one other community I'm more then happy to continue the Graduation process. IIRC, there was one email that raised a concern about the diversity of the community. I don't think there was any subsequent discussion (for or against this concern). Actually, looks like this was the latest word on the subject: On Feb 2, 2012, at 8:49 AM, ant elder wrote: ...talks had halted as one member has not agreed to proceed with graduation... thats a little harsh, I just questioned the level of activity and said it would be an easier decision if Wink was more active. I would discuss the diversity question in the Wink community. Provide reasons why you think the community is ready to graduate and make things happen… --kevan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
