Jakarta Newsletter

[Rob Oxspring]

Firstly, apologies for the cross post but I wanted your attention (and
conribtutions).  Any discussion following that should involve me should
probably go on general@ or cc me directly - the whole point of the
newsletter is that I have niether the time nor the inclination to join all
the -dev lists myself... read on.

The idea is to try and produce a Jakarta Newsletter to let developers know
what has been going on in the other projects, without having to monitor each
of them.  Hopefully this will allow people to spot discussions and
subprojects that are important to them but were happening within a foriegn
list, the net result should be better cross-pollination of ideas and
increased awareness through jakarta generally.  Enough of the high aims - a
proof of concept issue was put out and discussed on general@
(http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?[EMAIL PROTECTED].
org&msgId=353518) and so I'm now trying to gather information for a proper
issue #1.

What I'm after is a volunteer from each group to edit together summaries of
the intersting / important discussions within their own group over the
course of June, and send me the result by the end of Sunday.  It would be
good (though not essential) if you could let me know that someone will be
taking on the task for your project, so that I can reduce the general
pestering in later mails .  Any groups that submit nothing will simply not
feature as I have not got the time to browse and edit the discussions
myself.

Thanks in advance,

Rob


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new look

[Kasper Nielsen]

Hi

I just saw the new look on http://java.sun.com/ and boy its neat.
What about bringing something like this to jakarta land?? (And no. I'm not
currently Volunteering to do this)

I also thought thought that 'Community Discussion '
(http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/community/chat/) like they have on
java.sun.com would be a great idea for jakarta as well.

- Kasper



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Re: new look

[Jon Scott Stevens]

on 6/27/02 10:52 AM, "Kasper Nielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I just saw the new look on http://java.sun.com/ and boy its neat.

Indeed. It is far better than what they had.

> What about bringing something like this to jakarta land?? (And no. I'm not
> currently Volunteering to do this)

I think we have been working on a new look...but it is coming out of the
Maven department...I actually have an Anakia stylesheet with the new look
that I did for my club......isn't hard to change the
existing one out...again though...it takes volunteers to actually do the
work and part of the problem is that the projects are all rendered on their
own (bah!)...so it would be a slow migration to the new look across all of
the projects...

> I also thought thought that 'Community Discussion '
> (http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/community/chat/) like they have on
> java.sun.com would be a great idea for jakarta as well.

irc.whichever.com:6667

-jon


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Re: new look

[Kasper Nielsen]

- Original Message -
From: "Jon Scott Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: new look


> on 6/27/02 10:52 AM, "Kasper Nielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I just saw the new look on http://java.sun.com/ and boy its neat.
>
> Indeed. It is far better than what they had.
>
> > What about bringing something like this to jakarta land?? (And no. I'm
not
> > currently Volunteering to do this)
>
> I think we have been working on a new look...but it is coming out of the
> Maven department...I actually have an Anakia stylesheet with the new look
> that I did for my club......isn't hard to change the
> existing one out...again though...it takes volunteers to actually do the
> work and part of the problem is that the projects are all rendered on
their
> own (bah!)...so it would be a slow migration to the new look across all of
> the projects...

Isn't maven more directed towards each independent top-project??
The great thing about the java.sun.com layout is that there is so much room
for writing stuff and linking to stuff.

> > I also thought thought that 'Community Discussion '
> > (http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/community/chat/) like they have
on
> > java.sun.com would be a great idea for jakarta as well.
>
> irc.whichever.com:6667

Yeah i know, I was actually more refering to announced sessions, lets say a
posting on the front page of jakarta.apache.org
July 16 11:00 A.M. PDT/6:00 P.M. GMT
The Turbine Framework
Guests: Jon Scott Stevens and Jason Van Zyl

And then some kind of swing app on top so people doesn't have to install a
IRC client.

- Kasper





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Re: new look

[Jon Scott Stevens]

on 6/27/02 11:10 AM, "Kasper Nielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Isn't maven more directed towards each independent top-project??
> The great thing about the java.sun.com layout is that there is so much room
> for writing stuff and linking to stuff.

I would be strongly -1 on copying their layout. We should be original from
Sun.

> Yeah i know, I was actually more refering to announced sessions, lets say a
> posting on the front page of jakarta.apache.org
> July 16 11:00 A.M. PDT/6:00 P.M. GMT
> The Turbine Framework
> Guests: Jon Scott Stevens and Jason Van Zyl
> 
> And then some kind of swing app on top so people doesn't have to install a
> IRC client.

The ChatZilla irc client comes with Mozilla and works pretty well/easily and
is free. I don't see why that is such a hurdle for people.

-jon


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Re: new look

[Henri Yandell]

On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Jon Scott Stevens wrote:

> on 6/27/02 11:10 AM, "Kasper Nielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Isn't maven more directed towards each independent top-project??
> > The great thing about the java.sun.com layout is that there is so much room
> > for writing stuff and linking to stuff.
>
> I would be strongly -1 on copying their layout. We should be original from
> Sun.

I'm hoping that an aspect of maven will focus on dealing with collections
of projects at some point. creating a top level site for them, grouping
documentation.

If it can be nice and recursive, then it could create a nice automated
system with a common look and feel. I guess a lot of that is really xdoc
and not maven.

> > Yeah i know, I was actually more refering to announced sessions, lets say a
> > posting on the front page of jakarta.apache.org
> > July 16 11:00 A.M. PDT/6:00 P.M. GMT
> > The Turbine Framework
> > Guests: Jon Scott Stevens and Jason Van Zyl
> >
> > And then some kind of swing app on top so people doesn't have to install a
> > IRC client.
>
> The ChatZilla irc client comes with Mozilla and works pretty well/easily and
> is free. I don't see why that is such a hurdle for people.

agreed, however the idea of announced sessions is quite cool. Rather than
just a talk on the turbine framework, it could focus on things like:

Tomcat 5 released, come learn about this new release and what it gives
you.

Maven 1.0 out, why you should use it.

or just question and answer sessions.

Hen


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Re: new look

[Jon Scott Stevens]

on 6/27/02 12:15 PM, "Henri Yandell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm hoping that an aspect of maven will focus on dealing with collections
> of projects at some point. creating a top level site for them, grouping
> documentation.

http://jakarta.apache.org/turbine/

I see a list of 9 subprojects in the grey bar under the logo's...

> If it can be nice and recursive, then it could create a nice automated
> system with a common look and feel. I guess a lot of that is really xdoc
> and not maven.

That would be nice.

> agreed, however the idea of announced sessions is quite cool. Rather than
> just a talk on the turbine framework, it could focus on things like:
> 
> Tomcat 5 released, come learn about this new release and what it gives
> you.
> 
> Maven 1.0 out, why you should use it.
> 
> or just question and answer sessions.

Personally, I would rather see developers writing code not spending all
their time in IRC with silly conversation...=) Nice thing about email is
that you can do it on your time where IRC is live and people tend to
banter...not a bad thing...just that it seems like a waste of time for this
group...where the sun thing is a marketing tool...

-jon


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Re: new look

[Kasper Nielsen]

- Original Message -
From: "Jon Scott Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: new look


> on 6/27/02 11:10 AM, "Kasper Nielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Isn't maven more directed towards each independent top-project??
> > The great thing about the java.sun.com layout is that there is so much
room
> > for writing stuff and linking to stuff.
>
> I would be strongly -1 on copying their layout. We should be original from
> Sun.

I wasn't talking about AN exact copy, but some of the ideas like the post
it's on the right side.


> > Yeah i know, I was actually more refering to announced sessions, lets
say a
> > posting on the front page of jakarta.apache.org
> > July 16 11:00 A.M. PDT/6:00 P.M. GMT
> > The Turbine Framework
> > Guests: Jon Scott Stevens and Jason Van Zyl
> >
> > And then some kind of swing app on top so people doesn't have to install
a
> > IRC client.
>
> The ChatZilla irc client comes with Mozilla and works pretty well/easily
and
> is free. I don't see why that is such a hurdle for people.

Not all people are using Mozilla, no matter what if people can access the
discussion with just one click its easier then installing a new client.
However it shouldn't be a problem im sure there are some open source
irc-clients.
And the important thing wasn't how _to_ access the sessions but _having_
announced sessions.

- Kasper



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Re: new look

[Jon Scott Stevens]

on 6/27/02 12:33 PM, "Kasper Nielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> And the important thing wasn't how _to_ access the sessions but _having_
> announced sessions.
> 
> - Kasper

That is easy enough to do...just stick it up on the homepage...

-jon


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Re: new look

[Leo Simons]

> > Isn't maven more directed towards each independent top-project??
> > The great thing about the java.sun.com layout is that there is so much room
> > for writing stuff and linking to stuff.
> 
> I would be strongly -1 on copying their layout. We should be original from
> Sun.

agreed.

let us just see what's cooking up in maven, forrest, other places. When
stuff is stable and jakarta-site3 is there (regardless of who volunteers
to build it) and neat, talk about changing layout and look and feel.

I for one am still a bit lost on the sun website; the most
information-dense (not meta-information dense) website still easy to
navigate I know is msdn.microsoft.com. But this is OT on general@.

regards,

- Leo Simons



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