RE: Vote for XMLBeans proposal
Thanks to all of you for the many offers to help us get things started with XMLBeans. It sounds like it might be easier for everyone if we now pick one project that we believe would be the best fit for XMLBeans. From talking with a few committers, I think we are leaning towards the XML project, but I would like verify that with each of the others. I should be able to confirm this preference in the next 12-16 hours. Thanks again to everyone for being so willing to help make this work. BTW, I'll be at OSCON all week, if anyone would like to discuss any issues further. Cliff On Sunday, July 06, 2003 7:57 AM, Aleksander Slominski wrote: Subject: Re: Vote for XMLBeans proposal Berin Lautenbach wrote: Ted Leung wrote: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: If XML.Apache is willing, as it seems, to cater for this project, I'll wait for a vote from them, an ACK from the Bea guys, and start preparing the hatcher :-) I'm happy to invest some time in helping XMLBean get throught the incubator -- speaking with my XML PMC and ASF member hat on. The idea of moving XMLBeans to incubation under the XML project and with the assistance of Ted gets a +1 from me with some caveats : 1. Current XMLBeans committers need to be comfortable with this resting with the XML project in the first instance. Note that I would hope that the umbrella project could be changed prior to exit from incubation if the feeling from the committers was that it should be. If the initial preference is Jakarta then please indicate! I'm definitely not trying to push a line here, and it's easy to switch the vote over to the Jakarta PMC :. 2. Committer issues that have previously been discussed will need to be worked through during incubation (although that's really what incubation is about :). +/- from other XML PMC members welcome. Further discussion also welcome! hi, based on what I have seen when looking on XMLBeans source code and (limited) design documentation I beleive that this project is very interesting and useful for Web Services so I have CCed [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list too. It seems that BEA folks are willing to solve all remaining problems and I think that it would be good if this project quickly gained more mementum and I am willing to help with it (even though I am not Apache XML commiter) thanks, alek - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vote for XMLBeans proposal
On 6/07/2003 16:56 Aleksander Slominski wrote: It seems that BEA folks are willing to solve all remaining problems and I think that it would be good if this project quickly gained more mementum and I am willing to help with it (even though I am not Apache XML commiter) This proposal is still lacking a better mix of BEA- and non-BEA committers, so it seems like your offer to help comes at a good time. ;-) FWIW: I would suggest XMLBeans to be incubated inside the XML project, although Jakarta would be equally fine as well. If Cliff is able to communicate BEA's preference, and the LGPL Piccolo issue is resolved, it seems like we're heading somewhere. Attracting new committers is easier when the project is already under incubation. /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.orgstevenn at apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [i18n] Internationalization subproject sponsor?
Andrew, In one sentence, it intends to provide a framework for internationalization of Java projects, within the Apache/Jakarta projects themselves and for users of the Apache/Jakarta code outside Apache. I had started out trying to see where I could make use of the Jakarta code, and eliminate duplication of effort on my part. But the one thing I ran into was most of the Jakarta subprojects do not provide for internationalization, which is a shame, because the Java SDK does quite a good job of providing support for that. That might actually be a good thing, since there currently is the opportunity to provide a framework for doing it in one place, rather than having each subproject do it differently. Robert Simpson Andrew C. Oliver wrote: From the proposal I was not able to determine *what it intends to do*.. Besides that, the criteria for helping is IMHO a bit discouraging. Granted its hard to help if you've never been outside of Kansas, but maybe Dorothy darn tootin cares about i18n and wants to make sure that toto can use her application... Perhaps there is something left for her to do even if she only speaks 'merican. -Andy On 7/5/03 12:16 AM, Tetsuya Kitahata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Robert, Personally, I am interested in this project, but I am not a *member* in ASF. (Just a *committer* in jakarta) How about posting your message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ?? (subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Maybe, you can find the ASF *member* outside of jakarta. Here's a list of the number of *committer* and *member* in ASF umbrella ( Originally created by Steven Noels) -- Amount of committers: 677 Name,committers,members ant,34,8 apr,42,32 avalon,80,15 cocoon,60,14 commons,10,10 db,35,9 embperl,13,6 httpd,145,111 incubator,26,12 jakarta,314,35 james,13,3 java,7,1 maven,25,4 mod_dtcl,9,4 modperl,18,7 tcl,9,4 ws,86,11 xml,259,28 -- There are only 35 potential Mentors (I mean, sponsors) in jakarta, as you can see. If you are confident you can build a powerful community, IMHO you do not have to stick to seek the Mentor in jakarta. I hope this mail might help you to some extent. Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - On 3 Jul 2003 15:23:10 - (Subject: [i18n] Internationalization subproject sponsor?) Robert Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To current members of the Jakarta project: Is there any current member of the Jakarta project who would be interested in sponsoring the entry of the Internationalization subproject into the incubator? The Internationalization subproject would be somewhat different than the other Jakarta projects in that there would be two types of contributors: 1. the (traditional) code contributors 2. the language translation contributors So far, the reponses I have received regarding people would would be interested in contributing have all been outside Jakarta - mostly language translators. Since the Internationalization subproject would most likely fit into the Jakarta project, it would help to have a sponsor from within Jakarta, per the Incubation Process documentation. The subproject proposal and initial code contribution can be found earlier in the Jakarta General mailing list, or here: http://www.itoolset.com/i18n/PROPOSAL.html Without a sponsor, I will probably move the code that was extracted in preparation for submission to Apache back into the iToolSet package hierarchy and let it pass as an Apache contribution until there is more interest in a common Internationalization architecture within Apache itself. Thanks in advance. Robert Simpson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ (Apache Jakarta Translation, Japanese) http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [i18n] Internationalization subproject sponsor?
Tetsuya Kitahata, The Incubation Process document on the web site had indicated that the sponsor should come from the project that the incubating code would eventually be promoted into. Since trying to make use of Jakarta code is where I noticed the missing piece, that's the most obvious place it would go. I am surprised there isn't more interest in a common internationalization framework within Jakarta. But then I have been assuming that there are non-English-speaking members in Jakarta, not just committers and other users of the code. When the proposal was first submitted to the list, there seemed to be some initial interest - I even got some suggestions for improving the code and incorporated those into later revisions. But if there isn't much interest at this point, I fear it will be difficult to get it into Jakarta at a later time. I also fear that if I go back to simply continuing the development of the code myself, that eventually the need in Jakarta will be recognized, but I will be too far along at that point to convert everything to it. Or worse yet, the need will be recognized at different times within each Jakarta subproject, resulting in each subproject doing internationalization their own way. BTW, thanks for sending the test properties file in Japanese. I did incorporate that into the code, but just on my side so far. Robert Simpson Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: Hello, Robert, Personally, I am interested in this project, but I am not a *member* in ASF. (Just a *committer* in jakarta) How about posting your message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ?? (subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Maybe, you can find the ASF *member* outside of jakarta. Here's a list of the number of *committer* and *member* in ASF umbrella ( Originally created by Steven Noels) -- Amount of committers: 677 Name,committers,members ant,34,8 apr,42,32 avalon,80,15 cocoon,60,14 commons,10,10 db,35,9 embperl,13,6 httpd,145,111 incubator,26,12 jakarta,314,35 james,13,3 java,7,1 maven,25,4 mod_dtcl,9,4 modperl,18,7 tcl,9,4 ws,86,11 xml,259,28 -- There are only 35 potential Mentors (I mean, sponsors) in jakarta, as you can see. If you are confident you can build a powerful community, IMHO you do not have to stick to seek the Mentor in jakarta. I hope this mail might help you to some extent. Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - On 3 Jul 2003 15:23:10 - (Subject: [i18n] Internationalization subproject sponsor?) Robert Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To current members of the Jakarta project: Is there any current member of the Jakarta project who would be interested in sponsoring the entry of the Internationalization subproject into the incubator? The Internationalization subproject would be somewhat different than the other Jakarta projects in that there would be two types of contributors: 1. the (traditional) code contributors 2. the language translation contributors So far, the reponses I have received regarding people would would be interested in contributing have all been outside Jakarta - mostly language translators. Since the Internationalization subproject would most likely fit into the Jakarta project, it would help to have a sponsor from within Jakarta, per the Incubation Process documentation. The subproject proposal and initial code contribution can be found earlier in the Jakarta General mailing list, or here: http://www.itoolset.com/i18n/PROPOSAL.html Without a sponsor, I will probably move the code that was extracted in preparation for submission to Apache back into the iToolSet package hierarchy and let it pass as an Apache contribution until there is more interest in a common Internationalization architecture within Apache itself. Thanks in advance. Robert Simpson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ (Apache Jakarta Translation, Japanese) http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vote for XMLBeans proposal
If Cliff is able to communicate BEA's preference, and the LGPL Piccolo issue is resolved, it seems like we're heading somewhere. Attracting new committers is easier when the project is already under incubation. Agreed. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [i18n] Internationalization subproject sponsor?
Robert Simpson wrote: Andrew, In one sentence, it intends to provide a framework for internationalization of Java projects, within the Apache/Jakarta projects themselves and for users of the Apache/Jakarta code outside Apache. I am sorry for jumping in late to this thread. How does this proposal differ from the commons-resources project in the commons-sandbox that provides for internationalization? It can load resources from a properties/XML or database ? I had started out trying to see where I could make use of the Jakarta code, and eliminate duplication of effort on my part. But the one thing I ran into was most of the Jakarta subprojects do not provide for internationalization, which is a shame, because the Java SDK does quite a good job of providing support for that. That might actually be a good thing, since there currently is the opportunity to provide a framework for doing it in one place, rather than having each subproject do it differently. Robert Simpson Andrew C. Oliver wrote: - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [i18n] Internationalization subproject sponsor?
6. Personally, I do not think the i18n issue is not only related to java but also to all the *language*s. So, I suggested, you do not have to adhere to jakarta, IMHO. I do not think - I do think :-) Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
