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2003-07-09 Thread tetsuya
tetsuya 2003/07/09 05:19:11

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href=site/news.htmlJakarta/a 
   and a href=site/elsewhere.htmlElsewhere/a/h4
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bApache HTTPD WebServer 2.0.47/b Released/a/li
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Newsletter Issue 9/b Released/a/li
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Commons/b featured in OnJava article, open source conference and (forthcoming) 
book/a/li
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   bAnt/b and bXercesJ/b win 2003 JavaWorld Awards/a 
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  +   The Apache Software Foundation and the Apache HTTP Server Project are
  +   pleased to announce the tenth public release of the Apache 2.0
  +   HTTP Server.  This Announcement notes the significant changes in
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  +   Apache Httpd WebServer 2.0.47 is available for download from
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  +   This version of Apache is principally a security and bug fix release.
  +   A summary of the bug fixes is given at the end of this document.
  +   Of particular note is that 2.0.47 addresses four security
  +   vulnerabilities.
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bApache HTTPD WebServer 2.0.47/b Released/a/li
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Newsletter Issue 9/b Released/a/li
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Commons/b featured in OnJava article, open source conference and (forthcoming) 
book/a/li
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Re: [i18n] Internationalization subproject sponsor?

2003-07-09 Thread Robert Simpson
Rob,

Some differences I see

The commons-resources component does not include/encourage multilingual support as a 
goal.  It simply abstracts the source for resources.

I view the i18n code as being at a higher level than what's currently in 
commons-resources.  The Factory's in i18n could be modified to make use of the 
different sources found in commons-resources.  It may be necessary/useful to change 
some of the concrete object classes to interfaces, but those changes can come if/after 
it becomes a subproject.

I had tried to see if I could make use of commons-resources within the code early this 
year, but it didn't solve the problem that I was trying to solve.

Robert Simpson

Rob Leland wrote:

 Robert Simpson wrote:

 Andrew,
 
 In one sentence, it intends to provide a framework for internationalization of 
 Java projects, within the Apache/Jakarta projects themselves and for users of the 
 Apache/Jakarta code outside Apache.
 

 I am sorry for jumping in late to this thread. How does this proposal
 differ from
 the commons-resources project in the commons-sandbox that provides for
 internationalization?
 It can load resources from a properties/XML or database ?

 
 I had started out trying to see where I could make use of the Jakarta code, and 
 eliminate duplication of effort on my part.  But the one thing I ran into was most 
 of the Jakarta subprojects do not provide for internationalization, which is a 
 shame, because the Java SDK does quite a good job of providing support for that.  
 That might actually be a good thing, since there currently is the opportunity to 
 provide a framework for doing it in one place, rather than having each subproject 
 do it differently.
 
 Robert Simpson
 
 Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
 
 

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Re: [i18n] Internationalization subproject sponsor?

2003-07-09 Thread Robert Simpson
Santiago Gala,

I haven't seen the Turbine localization service code, but maybe that could be 
separated out and used as the initial code for the Internationalization project 
(pretty much what I have done to date with it).  Turbine might also provide some of 
the language translations   A couple things I like about the code I've provided, 
is that it's pretty much a one-liner to include resources in a class or package, and 
that it's a static reference.  Is the Turbine approach similar?

As far a document and resource translation, I'm not sure if you are referring to 
machine translation, or human translation.  My focus has been on human translation, 
mainly because machine translation is still pretty far from perfect.  There could be 
APIs for interfaces to various machine translation tools, such as Systransoft, but I 
think that should be a later, secondary priority.  Even if there was support for 
machine translation, I would prefer that it could be augmented by human proofreading 
and revision.  So it's probably just as easy to let the language translator use 
whatever machine translation tool s/he prefers.

As opposed to something that needs to be coordinated with each Apache project, the 
Internationalization subproject should simply provide a common means for Apache 
projects to provide for internationalization.  However, because the language 
translations for an Apache subproject should probably be distributed with those other 
subprojects, the InternationalizationLibrary for those subprojects would be included 
with those subprojects themselves, not the i18n subproject.  I think the relationship 
between the other subprojects and i18n should be loose and unidirectional.

OTOH, the InternationalizationLibrary's included with i18n would be more general 
application- or industry-specific (security, accounting, medical, etc).  Things that 
would get re-used fairly often.

Robert Simpson

Santiago Gala wrote:

 Robert Simpson escribió:

  I also fear that if I go back to simply continuing the development of
  the code myself, that eventually the need in Jakarta will be
  recognized, but I will be too far along at that point to convert
  everything to it.  Or worse yet, the need will be recognized at
  different times within each Jakarta subproject, resulting in each
  subproject doing internationalization their own way.
 

 Jetspeed is already using i18n (or is it l10n?) for most of its strings.
 We use the Turbine 2.2 localization service for client specific
 ResourceBundles lookup and caching.

 I think Tomcat has also some effort already done.

 The main problem I see in your proposal is not coding it, but getting
 any/some/most of the jakarta projects to use the code, and agree in ways
 to handle the files back and forth as the development process
 progresses. Also, I think this is not a pure java issue, and looking at
 it from the whole Apache might help (as the web sites and the project
 documents would also need translation effort).

 I think a project which would take care of document and/or Resource
 bundle translation, coordinated with each Apache project requiring so
 would be a great thing in terms of infrastructure.

 I cc: community for insight, since there is much more in Apache than
 jakarta (even in the java world, there is a lot of  XML people working
 in java)

 Regards
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 Santiago Gala
 High Sierra Technology, S.L. (http://hisitech.com)
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Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: [vote] XMLBeans to enter XML incubation [was: Re:Vote for XMLBeans proposal in the XML Project (was RE: Vote for XMLBeansproposal)]]]

2003-07-09 Thread Marc Portier
Steven Noels wrote:
Dear Forrest committer,

the current xml.apache.org charter requires a majority vote by all xml 
committers to adopt the proposal underneath. Could you please judge  
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  Name: Marc Portier

  [+1]  I agree with and support this proposal (+1)
  [  ]  Indifference (-1  x  +1)
  [  ]  I object and suggest a way to address my reservations (-1)
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Re: XML Beans advertised on Jakarta ... Re: Vote for XMLBeans proposal

2003-07-09 Thread robert burrell donkin
On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 03:01 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
On 7/7/03 2:09 PM, robert burrell donkin
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XMLBeans feels (to me) like a jakarta component but if xml are happy to
manage it, i'd say that it'd probably work out easier that way. there 
isn'
t any reason why XMLBeans couldn't be visible on the jakarta website and
as part of the jakarta community (which seem to be the main advantages
which components see in joining jakarta) whilst being managed by the xml
pmc (which would host their site and primary link).
I'd object to that personally.  We link projects which were in Jakarta
historically and have become top level projects, but we do not link all of
the XML projects.  I'd object to that not only on practical concerns but
with the logic Then I'd like POI linked from the XML site ;-)
why shouldn't POI be linked from the XML site as well as the jakarta one?

- robert

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Re: XML Beans advertised on Jakarta ... Re: Vote for XMLBeansproposal

2003-07-09 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On 7/9/03 1:49 PM, robert burrell donkin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 I'd object to that personally.  We link projects which were in Jakarta
 historically and have become top level projects, but we do not link all of
 the XML projects.  I'd object to that not only on practical concerns but
 with the logic Then I'd like POI linked from the XML site ;-)
 
 why shouldn't POI be linked from the XML site as well as the jakarta one?


Maybe because its not an XML project under the XML PMC and has never been
such?  Maybe because the leftnav would get very long if every project on
Apache was listed on the every other one?  Though its fine with me... ;-)
 
 - robert
 
 
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