Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?
Another hour or so of walking the baby and thinking and I've responded somewhat to Stephen and others' suggestions: http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html You may have noticed that I've removed yet more. Keep pointing out issues and we'll be cleaner than Google :) I've cut back heavily on the Graduated concept, there's just a link to the ASF Projects in the prose now. The baby and I talked and we decided that a [EMAIL PROTECTED] page is a good idea, it just needs to be not be plastered over the front page and navigation. So I plan to come up with a page of all the Java projects at Apache; though I'm not sure how it would link into the front page. I've actually kept the Legal bit, but it's right at the bottom in the footer now. A lot of other pages on the right were cut for striking me as being useless. For example the Our Mission page didn't really say much that the rest of the Jakarta and Apache sites don't already say. I'd like to get 'Apache Website' out of reference and to a different location, I'm just not sure where. It's basically the equivalent of an up-directory. Thoughts? Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?
On Fri, 31 Dec 2004, Stephen Colebourne wrote: What I was thinking of for projects is something like: ++ |=Projects===| +--Subprojects---+ | * Alexandia| | * etc... | +--Graduated-+ | * Ant | | * etc... | ++ I have two concerns with this: It takes up more space and nothing else uses subheadings. It does put Graduated into context with a noun, though. My concern is that most users don't care about TLP vs Jakarta owned. So, does the terminology 'graduated' help? Why does the user care that some projects started at Jakarta, while other Java projects didn't? They care only in so far as they come to jakarta.apache.org looking for the old project etc. Unless and until Jakarta can become a Java portal @ Apache we have to deal with this though. It would seem to me that 'Related' was a looser word for these projects, and allows us to include other projects that didn't start at Jakarta. Related's problem is that it is [EMAIL PROTECTED] and we have to actively manage it as each new Java project is added to the ASF. Or at least the ones that are considered related to Jakarta for some definition of related. The 'News elsewhere' section has the same problem; what is the rationale for it and why is Jakarta the right place to find it. While I think there's room for a [EMAIL PROTECTED] site somewhere (though I'm not sure there's really community nowadays at that level), I'm trying to untangle it from the main part of the Jakarta site. Other ideas: * Kill the navbar link to non-Jakarta projects and have a central bit for recently promoted projects. Over 6 months or so, retire the link there. * Add a 'Other ASF Projects' at the bottom of our Subprojects list. If people can't find something, they click on that and goto the ASF Projects page. Also, I don't see any need to use a noun/subheadings here. For me, 'Related' on its own would be a sufficient defintion. The pedantic view is: "Related to what?". Non-nouns need context. Related works okay as the context is Jakarta and that's the context of the page. Graduated is weaker as the context is 'From Jakarta' and that's not the page's context. As a sidenote, we should have a 'Incubating' section or something with Agila in it. Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?
On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 00:26:15 -, Stephen Colebourne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What I was thinking of for projects is something like: > > > > ++ > > |=Projects===| > > +--Subprojects---+ > > | * Alexandia| > > | * etc... | > > +--Graduated-+ > > | * Ant | > > | * etc... | > > ++ > > > > I have two concerns with this: It takes up more space and nothing else > > uses subheadings. It does put Graduated into context with a noun, > > though. > > My concern is that most users don't care about TLP vs Jakarta owned. So, > does the terminology 'graduated' help? Why does the user care that some > projects started at Jakarta, while other Java projects didn't? Because resource information for projects that have moved away are no longer found on the Jakarta site. For example, going to the Jakarta mailing lists page is not going to help you find information on the Struts mailing lists. I believe the distinction is important to helping users find what they're looking for. > Unless and until Jakarta can become a Java portal @ Apache we have to deal > with this though. It would seem to me that 'Related' was a looser word for > these projects, and allows us to include other projects that didn't start at > Jakarta. We (meaning Hen ;) just got done cleaning up a bunch of "related" links that didn't seem particularly coherent, so I'd be against putting it right back again. ;-) > Also, I don't see any need to use a noun/subheadings here. For me, 'Related' > on its own would be a sufficient defintion. I suggested "Alumni" but I don't think I got any takers. It seemed like the logical noun to replace "Graduated" to me. IMO, "Related" is too broad, and it was being misused before. -- Martin Cooper > Stephen > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?
What I was thinking of for projects is something like: ++ |=Projects===| +--Subprojects---+ | * Alexandia| | * etc... | +--Graduated-+ | * Ant | | * etc... | ++ I have two concerns with this: It takes up more space and nothing else uses subheadings. It does put Graduated into context with a noun, though. My concern is that most users don't care about TLP vs Jakarta owned. So, does the terminology 'graduated' help? Why does the user care that some projects started at Jakarta, while other Java projects didn't? Unless and until Jakarta can become a Java portal @ Apache we have to deal with this though. It would seem to me that 'Related' was a looser word for these projects, and allows us to include other projects that didn't start at Jakarta. Also, I don't see any need to use a noun/subheadings here. For me, 'Related' on its own would be a sufficient defintion. Stephen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mess in jakarta.apache.org/
The following have all been moved from the jakarta site to ~bayard/jakarta-site-deletions/ bcel.orgjjar buildsite.shmain.template cjanoldsite.tar.gz commons-mavenized tac.jar index-new.html turbine.old jakarta-gnats.tar.gzBUGS gump, struts, pluto, log4j, resources, userGuide have all been deleted. I've replaced the meta refresh in ojb with a .htaccess version. This leaves: broken jmeter201 tomcat-4.0 tomcat-old as the list to be deleted. Owners have all been hassled about them. Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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