Re: svn commit: r430653 - /jakarta/jakarta-build/trunk/pom.xml

2006-08-11 Thread Henri Yandell



On Fri, 11 Aug 2006, Dennis Lundberg wrote:


Phil Steitz wrote:
Thanks, Dennis.  That helps and I agree with your arguments for inheritence 
in genera;.

 But why a Jakarta parent?


I'll leave that one for Henri to answer.


Do I look like I know what I'm doing? :)

The Jakarta pom is there because it seemed like a good idea to share 
things between Jakarta m2 projects and not just Commons ones - or at least 
to try and encourage that sharing. Though I had thought that the mailing 
lists in the parent would appear in the children and that's not happened.


It didn't seem like it would be damaging to represent the current 
structure and Brett didn't run screaming when I asked him :)


I'm not tied to it though - just throwing energy at the commons to m2 
problems.


Hen

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Re: Opening up the PMC

2006-08-11 Thread Martin van den Bemt



Torsten Curdt wrote:


But if you argue into that direction -no matter how often this has
been discussed already- I would rather question the idea of an
umbrella PMC then... (*ducks*)


Time and energy to express the ideas you have in that direction ?

Mvgr,
Martin

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Re: svn commit: r430653 - /jakarta/jakarta-build/trunk/pom.xml

2006-08-11 Thread Dennis Lundberg

Phil Steitz wrote:

Thanks, Dennis.  That helps and I agree with your arguments for inheritence in 
genera;.
 
But why a Jakarta parent?


I'll leave that one for Henri to answer.


And can you answer the second question about addressing?  I am -0 on doing anything that 
cements "Jakarta" into the namespace above commons artifacts.  Sorry if this 
has been discussed and agreed and I just missed it.


As it is currently done the namespace for commons artifacts is and will 
be org.apache.commons, so there's no jakarta in there. The pom for 
commons does have a parent which is currently the jakarta pom. If 
Jakarta would be dissolved, that could easily be changed to something 
else, say the ASF pom.


 
Phil




From: Dennis Lundberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri 8/11/2006 9:36 AM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: svn commit: r430653 - /jakarta/jakarta-build/trunk/pom.xml



Phil Steitz wrote:

Henri Yandell wrote:

First few commit messages bounced on this btw, until I fixed that up.
It's a maven2

Hen,

Can you enlighten the rest of us as to what this is for and what, if
any, implications it has on how we address maven2 artifacts originating
in jakarta projects?

Phil




The purpose of having a parent pom is to reduce the amount of
information you need to put in the pom of a specific project.

It also makes sure that all projects us the *same* information for
certain things. These things are put in the parent. An example of this
is which plugins *all* projects must use. Each project can then add more
plugins if they so desire.

Now I know some of you are preparing to throw in arguments about how we
tried to do this with Maven 1 and it failed. Before you do there is one
crucial difference. In Maven 1 the parent had to reside somewhere within
the same file system as your project. In Maven 2 the parent pom is
published to a Maven repository. It is then downloaded like any other
artifact by Maven automatically. So there will be no need to check out
jakarta-build from svn and putting it in the exact correct location on
your own machine.

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RE: svn commit: r430653 - /jakarta/jakarta-build/trunk/pom.xml

2006-08-11 Thread Phil Steitz
Thanks, Dennis.  That helps and I agree with your arguments for inheritence in 
genera;.
 
But why a Jakarta parent?  And can you answer the second question about 
addressing?  I am -0 on doing anything that cements "Jakarta" into the 
namespace above commons artifacts.  Sorry if this has been discussed and agreed 
and I just missed it.
 
Phil



From: Dennis Lundberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri 8/11/2006 9:36 AM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: svn commit: r430653 - /jakarta/jakarta-build/trunk/pom.xml



Phil Steitz wrote:
> Henri Yandell wrote:
>> First few commit messages bounced on this btw, until I fixed that up.
>> It's a maven2
> Hen,
>
> Can you enlighten the rest of us as to what this is for and what, if
> any, implications it has on how we address maven2 artifacts originating
> in jakarta projects?
>
> Phil



The purpose of having a parent pom is to reduce the amount of
information you need to put in the pom of a specific project.

It also makes sure that all projects us the *same* information for
certain things. These things are put in the parent. An example of this
is which plugins *all* projects must use. Each project can then add more
plugins if they so desire.

Now I know some of you are preparing to throw in arguments about how we
tried to do this with Maven 1 and it failed. Before you do there is one
crucial difference. In Maven 1 the parent had to reside somewhere within
the same file system as your project. In Maven 2 the parent pom is
published to a Maven repository. It is then downloaded like any other
artifact by Maven automatically. So there will be no need to check out
jakarta-build from svn and putting it in the exact correct location on
your own machine.

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Re: svn commit: r430653 - /jakarta/jakarta-build/trunk/pom.xml

2006-08-11 Thread Dennis Lundberg

Phil Steitz wrote:

Henri Yandell wrote:

First few commit messages bounced on this btw, until I fixed that up.
It's a maven2

Hen,

Can you enlighten the rest of us as to what this is for and what, if
any, implications it has on how we address maven2 artifacts originating
in jakarta projects?

Phil




The purpose of having a parent pom is to reduce the amount of 
information you need to put in the pom of a specific project.


It also makes sure that all projects us the *same* information for 
certain things. These things are put in the parent. An example of this 
is which plugins *all* projects must use. Each project can then add more 
plugins if they so desire.


Now I know some of you are preparing to throw in arguments about how we 
tried to do this with Maven 1 and it failed. Before you do there is one 
crucial difference. In Maven 1 the parent had to reside somewhere within 
the same file system as your project. In Maven 2 the parent pom is 
published to a Maven repository. It is then downloaded like any other 
artifact by Maven automatically. So there will be no need to check out 
jakarta-build from svn and putting it in the exact correct location on 
your own machine.


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Re: svn commit: r430653 - /jakarta/jakarta-build/trunk/pom.xml

2006-08-11 Thread Phil Steitz
Henri Yandell wrote:
>
> First few commit messages bounced on this btw, until I fixed that up.
> It's a maven2
Hen,

Can you enlighten the rest of us as to what this is for and what, if
any, implications it has on how we address maven2 artifacts originating
in jakarta projects?

Phil
> parent pom for Jakarta projects. Created under advice from Brett on
> #maven :)
>
> Hen
>
> On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>> Author: bayard
>> Date: Thu Aug 10 21:03:21 2006
>> New Revision: 430653
>>
>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=430653&view=rev
>> Log:
>> not released yet, so giving it a dev version of 1-SNAPSHOT
>>
>> Modified:
>>jakarta/jakarta-build/trunk/pom.xml
>>
>> Modified: jakarta/jakarta-build/trunk/pom.xml
>> URL:
>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/jakarta/jakarta-build/trunk/pom.xml?rev=430653&r1=430652&r2=430653&view=diff
>>
>> ==
>>
>> --- jakarta/jakarta-build/trunk/pom.xml (original)
>> +++ jakarta/jakarta-build/trunk/pom.xml Thu Aug 10 21:03:21 2006
>> @@ -10,7 +10,7 @@
>>   jakarta-parent
>>   pom
>>   
>> -  1
>> +  1-SNAPSHOT
>>   Apache Jakarta
>>   http://jakarta.apache.org/
>>   1999
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