[VOTE] Release JCS 1.3

2007-05-26 Thread Thomas Vandahl
Hi folks,

After much discussion on the JCS developer list, the first official
release of JCS (version 1.3) after leaving the Turbine project is ready
to vote on.

You can find the created artifacts here:
site: http://people.apache.org/~tv/jcs/
jars: http://people.apache.org/~tv/jcs/jar/
dist: http://people.apache.org/~tv/jcs/dist/

Now, shall we release JCS as it is published there?

[ ] +1 Yes, JCS 1.3 should be released
[ ] 0  I do not care
[ ] -1 No (give reasons)

Voting is subject to the rules described in
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/management.html

The deadline is Sat, June 1 2007, 12:00 CET

Note that the Jakarta PMC has the final word on whether the release is
published
or not.

Bye, Thomas



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Re: [VOTE] Release JCS 1.3

2007-05-26 Thread Thomas Vandahl
Thomas Vandahl wrote:
 Now, shall we release JCS as it is published there?
 
 [X] +1 Yes, JCS 1.3 should be released
 [ ] 0  I do not care
 [ ] -1 No (give reasons)


Bye, Thomas.

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Re: [VOTE] Release JCS 1.3

2007-05-26 Thread sebb

Sorry, but: -1

There should be NOTICE files in all the archives (jar, zip etc).
The NOTICE file (found in SVN) needs to refer to Xerox - see
jcs-1.3\src\aspect\Trace.aj

No KEYS file to check the signatures - and could not find it in SVN.

Sourcefiles:
There should probably be AL2.0 headers in the .aj files (apart from Trace.aj)

-0 Other problems:

Website:
The Changes report refers to CVS - this should really be SVN
The JCoverage report should really open in a new window, as is done
for Javadocs etc.
The Checkstyle report is in German, ideally it should be in English.
Project Team: both tv and jvanzyl are committers

Sebb AT AO
On 26/05/07, Thomas Vandahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi folks,

After much discussion on the JCS developer list, the first official
release of JCS (version 1.3) after leaving the Turbine project is ready
to vote on.

You can find the created artifacts here:
site: http://people.apache.org/~tv/jcs/
jars: http://people.apache.org/~tv/jcs/jar/
dist: http://people.apache.org/~tv/jcs/dist/

Now, shall we release JCS as it is published there?

[ ] +1 Yes, JCS 1.3 should be released
[ ] 0  I do not care
[ ] -1 No (give reasons)

Voting is subject to the rules described in
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/management.html

The deadline is Sat, June 1 2007, 12:00 CET

Note that the Jakarta PMC has the final word on whether the release is
published
or not.

Bye, Thomas



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Re: [VOTE] Release JCS 1.3

2007-05-26 Thread Thomas Vandahl
sebb wrote:
 Sorry, but: -1
 
 There should be NOTICE files in all the archives (jar, zip etc).
 The NOTICE file (found in SVN) needs to refer to Xerox - see
 jcs-1.3\src\aspect\Trace.aj
 
 No KEYS file to check the signatures - and could not find it in SVN.
 
 Sourcefiles:
 There should probably be AL2.0 headers in the .aj files (apart from
 Trace.aj)

One should not do those things in a hurry. Sorry for this. I will
rebuild the stuff and upload it again.

 
 -0 Other problems:
 
 Website:
 The Changes report refers to CVS - this should really be SVN
Changed.

 The JCoverage report should really open in a new window, as is done
 for Javadocs etc.
This is standard Maven stuff. How would you change that?

 The Checkstyle report is in German, ideally it should be in English.
Fixed.

 Project Team: both tv and jvanzyl are committers
Actually my contributions are very small, so I'm fine with the
contributor status.

Bye, Thomas.

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Re: [VOTE] Release JCS 1.3

2007-05-26 Thread sebb

On 26/05/07, Thomas Vandahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

sebb wrote:
 Sorry, but: -1

 There should be NOTICE files in all the archives (jar, zip etc).
 The NOTICE file (found in SVN) needs to refer to Xerox - see
 jcs-1.3\src\aspect\Trace.aj

 No KEYS file to check the signatures - and could not find it in SVN.

 Sourcefiles:
 There should probably be AL2.0 headers in the .aj files (apart from
 Trace.aj)

One should not do those things in a hurry. Sorry for this. I will
rebuild the stuff and upload it again.


 -0 Other problems:

 Website:
 The Changes report refers to CVS - this should really be SVN
Changed.

 The JCoverage report should really open in a new window, as is done
 for Javadocs etc.
This is standard Maven stuff. How would you change that?


Sorry, no idea.


 The Checkstyle report is in German, ideally it should be in English.
Fixed.

 Project Team: both tv and jvanzyl are committers
Actually my contributions are very small, so I'm fine with the
contributor status.


But you _are_ still a committer...

Also what about jvanzyl?

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Re: [PROPOSAL] The future of Jakarta

2007-05-26 Thread Ted Husted

On 5/25/07, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

4) Goto code.google. Ack :(


I wouldn't discount GoogleCode (or Java.net or SourceForge or
CodeHaus). Right now, there's a GoogleCode site that I use everyday,
and it's been utterly reliable. There's features I miss, but the UI is
so convenient, I don't mind. We are not Borg, and not every software
product need live under the ASF umbella.


Jakarta2 - A flattened commons-like umbrella which in terms of change
means a flattened dev@ list and svn changes. What I don't know is
whether people are going to be demanding that the subsites look the
same; ie) need to mavenize each project and adjust the site. The
easiest way to deal with things will be to move the other subprojects
into Commons and reestablish the Project.


This is probably just an unfortunate turn of phrase, but we can't just
move anyone anywhere.  The Incubator PMC is not going to accept any
code without volunteers to go with it.  Likewise, we can't do anything
about the subproject websites without volunteers to do that work too.
But, as a PMC, we could ask infra@ to create a shared mailing lists to
replace the others, and make karma adjustments.

Here's my take-away from Henri's post. The Jakata PMC, as it stands
today, could set a deadline for the remaining subprojects to make
other hosting arrangements (TLP, Commons, Google). Otherwise, on a
date certain, we would create single Jakarta Dev and User lists for
all the remaining subprojects to share, and open karma to all the
subprojects to all the Jakarta committers, in the style of the
Commons.

In other words, create a TLP,  join the Commons, or become a commons.

One other alternative would be for the active committers to those
remaining subprojects to draft their own resolution proposal for
creating a new Jakarta PMC, and boot the rest of us out. :) Though, if
anyone wanted to make that happen, I'd suggest making it happen for
the June board meeting, to coincide with the Commons proposal.

-Ted.

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Re: [VOTE] Release JCS 1.3

2007-05-26 Thread Scott Eade

sebb wrote:

On 26/05/07, Thomas Vandahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

sebb wrote:
 Project Team: both tv and jvanzyl are committers
Actually my contributions are very small, so I'm fine with the
contributor status.


But you _are_ still a committer...

Surely it is up to Thomas to decide how he wants to be listed?

Also what about jvanzyl?
So as a committer Jason is welcome to make this change.  I don't see 
this as the responsibility of the release manager.


Scott

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Re: [VOTE] Commons moving to TLP

2007-05-26 Thread Ted Husted

On 5/23/07, Niall Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Committ access and being a PMC memeber are 2 different things - its
been mooted that we should carry over the current Jakarta commit list
for Commons (which I'm in favour of) - but that would be for the PMC
to decide if its formed. Retaining someones commit access is a passive
thing which is OK - making someone responsibe for a new TLP needs
their consent IMO.


As to the point of active consent, did each and every individual
listed on the proposed resolution either actively consent in an email
message on an ASF list, or add their own name to the list?

In other words, what was the source of the initial list of PMC
members? If there was a thread behind this thread, we should
incorporate it by reference.

-Ted.

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Re: [VOTE] Release JCS 1.3

2007-05-26 Thread Thomas Vandahl
sebb wrote:
 But you _are_ still a committer...

Yes, but then, everybody else in Jakarta is also potentially a committer
for JCS and we would not want to list them all.


By, Thomas.

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Re: [VOTE] Release JCS 1.3

2007-05-26 Thread sebb

On 26/05/07, Scott Eade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

sebb wrote:
 On 26/05/07, Thomas Vandahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 sebb wrote:
  Project Team: both tv and jvanzyl are committers
 Actually my contributions are very small, so I'm fine with the
 contributor status.

 But you _are_ still a committer...
Surely it is up to Thomas to decide how he wants to be listed?
 Also what about jvanzyl?
So as a committer Jason is welcome to make this change.  I don't see
this as the responsibility of the release manager.



OK, fine.

The page does not entirely agree with the SVN history; it was not
clear if that was deliberate or accidental.

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Re: [VOTE] Release JCS 1.3

2007-05-26 Thread Thomas Vandahl
sebb wrote:
 Sorry, but: -1
 
 There should be NOTICE files in all the archives (jar, zip etc).
 The NOTICE file (found in SVN) needs to refer to Xerox - see
 jcs-1.3\src\aspect\Trace.aj
 
 No KEYS file to check the signatures - and could not find it in SVN.
 
 Sourcefiles:
 There should probably be AL2.0 headers in the .aj files (apart from
 Trace.aj)

 -0 Other problems:

 Website:
 The Changes report refers to CVS - this should really be SVN
 The JCoverage report should really open in a new window, as is done
 for Javadocs etc.
 The Checkstyle report is in German, ideally it should be in English.

All complaints have been fixed. The new versions are online. I beg for
pardon again. I uploaded a copy of the KEYS file to both, the jar and
the dist directory for your convenience.

I'm not sure how to handle the Xerox copyright stuff. I included the
whole text inside the NOTICE file for now. Don't know if that is
appropriate.

Would you please be so kind as to review again and vote again.

Bye, Thomas.


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Re: [VOTE] Commons moving to TLP

2007-05-26 Thread Roland Weber
Ted Husted wrote:
 As to the point of active consent, did each and every individual
 listed on the proposed resolution either actively consent in an email
 message on an ASF list, or add their own name to the list?

Based on the Wiki history...
http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution?action=info

Rory Winston - was added by Daniel Savarese
Torsten Curdt - was added as chair by Henri Yandell

All others added themselves.

hope that helps,
  Roland


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Re: [VOTE] Release JCS 1.3

2007-05-26 Thread sebb

On 26/05/07, Thomas Vandahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

sebb wrote:
 Sorry, but: -1

 There should be NOTICE files in all the archives (jar, zip etc).
 The NOTICE file (found in SVN) needs to refer to Xerox - see
 jcs-1.3\src\aspect\Trace.aj

 No KEYS file to check the signatures - and could not find it in SVN.

 Sourcefiles:
 There should probably be AL2.0 headers in the .aj files (apart from
 Trace.aj)

 -0 Other problems:

 Website:
 The Changes report refers to CVS - this should really be SVN
 The JCoverage report should really open in a new window, as is done
 for Javadocs etc.
 The Checkstyle report is in German, ideally it should be in English.

All complaints have been fixed. The new versions are online. I beg for
pardon again. I uploaded a copy of the KEYS file to both, the jar and
the dist directory for your convenience.

I'm not sure how to handle the Xerox copyright stuff. I included the
whole text inside the NOTICE file for now. Don't know if that is
appropriate.


I don't think so. The NOTICE is not supposed to contain the license.


See:

http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/httpd/httpd/trunk/

for an example.


Would you please be so kind as to review again and vote again.

Bye, Thomas.


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Re: [VOTE] Commons moving to TLP

2007-05-26 Thread Daniel F. Savarese

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roland Weber writes:
Rory Winston - was added by Daniel Savarese
Torsten Curdt - was added as chair by Henri Yandell

Rory voted for the proposal so I saved him the time and redundancy
when I added myself after voting for the proposal.  I assume Henri
did the same for Torsten.

daniel



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Re: [VOTE] Commons moving to TLP

2007-05-26 Thread Matt Benson
IIRC Torsten had already added himself to the
proposal, then after emails in which T. indicated his
willingness to act as chair, Henri updated the wiki
accordingly.

-Matt

--- Daniel F. Savarese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roland
 Weber writes:
 Rory Winston - was added by Daniel Savarese
 Torsten Curdt - was added as chair by Henri Yandell
 
 Rory voted for the proposal so I saved him the time
 and redundancy
 when I added myself after voting for the proposal. 
 I assume Henri
 did the same for Torsten.
 
 daniel
 
 
 

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Re: [PROPOSAL] The future of Jakarta

2007-05-26 Thread Henri Yandell

On 5/26/07, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 5/25/07, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 4) Goto code.google. Ack :(

I wouldn't discount GoogleCode (or Java.net or SourceForge or
CodeHaus). Right now, there's a GoogleCode site that I use everyday,
and it's been utterly reliable. There's features I miss, but the UI is
so convenient, I don't mind. We are not Borg, and not every software
product need live under the ASF umbella.


Ack in terms of driving a community away because it is unable to meet
our arbitrary criteria.


 Jakarta2 - A flattened commons-like umbrella which in terms of change
 means a flattened dev@ list and svn changes. What I don't know is
 whether people are going to be demanding that the subsites look the
 same; ie) need to mavenize each project and adjust the site. The
 easiest way to deal with things will be to move the other subprojects
 into Commons and reestablish the Project.

This is probably just an unfortunate turn of phrase, but we can't just
move anyone anywhere.


Yes we can, we just choose not to. Our PMC has a history of delegating
the decision making to the subprojects, rather than making it for
them; it's not a requirement.

Still - I'm definitely presuming that that will continue. Subprojects
need to be on board. The problem is when a subproject chooses option
5; do nothing. Is that a decision we're happy with.


The Incubator PMC is not going to accept any code without volunteers to go
with it.


Things get really easy in that situation - we retire it just like
Alexandria. We've not got any code without community currently.


Likewise, we can't do anything
about the subproject websites without volunteers to do that work too.


We can volunteer. (I'll happily go in and change things :) ).


But, as a PMC, we could ask infra@ to create a shared mailing lists to
replace the others, and make karma adjustments.

Here's my take-away from Henri's post. The Jakata PMC, as it stands
today, could set a deadline for the remaining subprojects to make
other hosting arrangements (TLP, Commons, Google). Otherwise, on a
date certain, we would create single Jakarta Dev and User lists for
all the remaining subprojects to share, and open karma to all the
subprojects to all the Jakarta committers, in the style of the
Commons.

In other words, create a TLP,  join the Commons, or become a commons.

One other alternative would be for the active committers to those
remaining subprojects to draft their own resolution proposal for
creating a new Jakarta PMC, and boot the rest of us out. :) Though, if
anyone wanted to make that happen, I'd suggest making it happen for
the June board meeting, to coincide with the Commons proposal.


Chiefly, we need to decide if we're sending the Commons proposal. The
board learnt from the Shale/Struts proposal not to accept anything if
the current PMC are not happy with the situation.

Hen

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Re: [VOTE] Commons moving to TLP

2007-05-26 Thread Phil Steitz
Stephen Colebourne wrote:
 This seems a little overplanned in my mind ;) Allow a little more evolution.

 - Commons goes TLP.
 - Rules for Commons TLP become clear (one mailing list, one PMC, anyone 
 commits in any component, anyone votes/reviews any release, comfortable 
 social group)
 - Then invite communities from Jakarta to join if they wish (once the rules 
 and expectations are clear)

 Simple. And community-up not top-down.
   
+1

Phil
 

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