Re: New Subproject proposal Config4J

[Bob Jamison]

Endre Stølsvik wrote:

| Apache
  The original Apache is called Apache HTTPD now, isn't it? But yes,
annoying.
  

Actually, I think Apache is a wonderful name,  because it is just a name,
and doesn't mean anything (in this context) except the Apache project.

Although the name does not derive from the Apache culture, it is a nice
coincidence.  Having lived in southeast Arizona, I think it definitely is a
really cool appelation.  (BTW, the Apaches don't really call themselves
Apaches, that is just a name given to them by the Spanish explorers.)

Besides, isn't it better sometimes to build your own heritage, rather
than borrow from others?  Let someone in the future do the borrowing;
maybe a project in 2010 will be called MINA (Megaserver Is Not Apache).

;-)


Bob





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Re: More abuse of coding styles...

[Bob Jamison]

Jon Scott Stevens wrote:

http://jakarta.apache.org/site/source.html

All Java Language source code in the repository must be written in
conformance to the Code Conventions for the Java Programming Language as
published by Sun.

-jon



Sun  ?   ;-)

I thought it was agreed a long time ago that

jakarta.apache.org != Sun

and that

xml.apache.org != IBM

Every time I have seen a discussion about coding styles, it is never
with an altruistic bent.  No one ever says I should change my coding
style to be more like yours.   No, it is always You should change
your style to be more like mine.

If someone writes clean, elegant code, it doesn't really matter
if it's KR style or Whitesmith's style.  If we had Michaelangelo
working here,  I really don't think that we would care if he were
using marble or alabaster,  the result would be magnificent enough.










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Re: Project idea

[Bob Jamison]

Cory L Hubert wrote:

   I think it's time for it as well.   Oracle, DB2, Sybase are planning on
cashing in even bigger now.   The .com crazy is over and people are going to
start to develop and market information rich websites and services that
reach out to cell phones/PDA's etc.

   There hasn't been much innovation going on in the Relational DB world.
It'd be nice to see an Open Source project catch up, innovate, and
outperform the Big Name DB vendors.
   An Open Source java DB by a trusted Open Source Name (Apache) would allow
anyone to have a high end database solution without being a big money making
enterprise.

   Obviously I think this is a good idea.   Why don't we create a list for
Open Source DB's to evaluate?  Also some criteria.
   I've already mentioned.

   1. Object or Object/Relational DB.
   2. Support for SQL/OQL
   3. Support for the SUN JDO spec.

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From: David Duddleston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 11:58 PM
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Subject: RE: Project idea



There is a pretty good Java SQL Relational DB called Mckoi, but the darn
thing is GPL and I have sent about 6 emails trying to get them to change the
license to an ASL or equivalent, but I have had no luck. They won't even
change to LGPL.

hsql Database on sourceforge has a good license and works well for small
projects, but I don't know if I would trust it for anything important.
Hopefully it will pick up some momentum.

I know Jetspeed (a Jakarta project) uses Hypersonic SQL (now hsql Database),
or at least used it the last time I check which was a long time ago. I would
love to see a solid Java RDBMS under a business friendly license. Maybe
someday ;-)

-david

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From: Tal Dayan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 5:11 PM
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Subject: Project idea



Does Jakarta has anything close to an embedded pure Java
relational data base ?

If not, a project like that will be a great
addition to the Jakarta family.


Tal


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Hey, maybe take a look at

http://www.lutris.com/products/projects/instantDB

They have been hinting about making it open for a
long time now, and maybe they could use some
help doing so.






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