Re: [site] killing vendors page

2005-02-23 Thread robert burrell donkin
On Mon, 2005-02-21 at 19:20, Erik Hatcher wrote:
 On Feb 21, 2005, at 10:54 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
 
  I'd suggest that we talk to the PRC about it.  There are some good 
  things
  about a vendors page.  

+1

anyone volunteer?

 Erik makes an interesting point about the Wiki, 
  but
  it would mean that we couldn't vet it for content to prevent grossly
  misleading content.
 
 Lucene has a page like this here:
 
   http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-lucene/Support
 
 All wiki changes are sent to an e-mail list for this very reason 
 though, so that the community can vet it.  If someone posted misleading 
 content, I'm sure many would take action to correct it almost 
 immediately.

a vendor list is only as good as the company it keeps. i suspect that
vendors would have a vested interest to keep it up to date.

- robert


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[site] killing vendors page

2005-02-21 Thread Henri Yandell
Still deliberating killing the vendors page.
I suggested killing it before, one of the vendors (sorry, can't find your 
email now) replied very gracefully and I put it on the 'think about later' 
queue in my head. Analysis of the current vendor page:

3GS LLC - No website at www.3gsllc.com
Multitask - Dion's generic support
Applied Engineering Software Group - No website at www.aesgi.com
Basebeans - No website at www.basebeans.com
Cafesoft - Single Sign On J2EE product
JAMM - Very generic web support
OpenInput - Generic open-source support (I think. Spanish site)
OpenWeb - Jyve support :)
Sono - generic web dev support, no mention of Jakarta on site
Superlink - Andy's general open-source + POI support
Tachometry - Generic open-source support (incl Tomcat)
XPolog - J2EE Log management product
I already removed Ted's Struts support as no longer relevant to Jakarta.
Looking at the above, we have 3 dead links, 4 generic open-source support 
places, 2 J2EE products, 2 general web places and Jyve support, where Jyve 
is long dead :)

Doesn't really seem like a great answer to the original question of 
showing that there is support for open-source. So this is the usual email:

I'll remove vendors.html in 3 days and setup a redirect to mail2.html 
unless anybody -1's.

Hen
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Re: [site] killing vendors page

2005-02-21 Thread Erik Hatcher
I like having a wiki page for this sort of thing - allow the community 
itself to maintain such lists.

Erik
On Feb 21, 2005, at 10:27 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
Still deliberating killing the vendors page.
I suggested killing it before, one of the vendors (sorry, can't find 
your email now) replied very gracefully and I put it on the 'think 
about later' queue in my head. Analysis of the current vendor page:

3GS LLC - No website at www.3gsllc.com
Multitask - Dion's generic support
Applied Engineering Software Group - No website at www.aesgi.com
Basebeans - No website at www.basebeans.com
Cafesoft - Single Sign On J2EE product
JAMM - Very generic web support
OpenInput - Generic open-source support (I think. Spanish site)
OpenWeb - Jyve support :)
Sono - generic web dev support, no mention of Jakarta on site
Superlink - Andy's general open-source + POI support
Tachometry - Generic open-source support (incl Tomcat)
XPolog - J2EE Log management product
I already removed Ted's Struts support as no longer relevant to 
Jakarta.

Looking at the above, we have 3 dead links, 4 generic open-source 
support places, 2 J2EE products, 2 general web places and Jyve 
support, where Jyve is long dead :)

Doesn't really seem like a great answer to the original question of 
showing that there is support for open-source. So this is the usual 
email:

I'll remove vendors.html in 3 days and setup a redirect to mail2.html 
unless anybody -1's.

Hen
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RE: [site] killing vendors page

2005-02-21 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I'd suggest that we talk to the PRC about it.  There are some good things
about a vendors page.  Erik makes an interesting point about the Wiki, but
it would mean that we couldn't vet it for content to prevent grossly
misleading content.

--- Noel


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Re: [site] killing vendors page

2005-02-21 Thread Erik Hatcher
On Feb 21, 2005, at 10:54 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
I'd suggest that we talk to the PRC about it.  There are some good 
things
about a vendors page.  Erik makes an interesting point about the Wiki, 
but
it would mean that we couldn't vet it for content to prevent grossly
misleading content.
Lucene has a page like this here:
http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-lucene/Support
All wiki changes are sent to an e-mail list for this very reason 
though, so that the community can vet it.  If someone posted misleading 
content, I'm sure many would take action to correct it almost 
immediately.

Erik

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