On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 12:27:17PM -0400, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
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Why not bring into Jmeter?
Frank tried [1] and was met with the same silence that greeted his ealier
general@jakarta email [2].
Anyone wanting to have a play, the url is:
http://www.PushToTest.com/ptt
Jon might even like it, as it uses a real scripting language (Jython) to
script HTTP tests, rather than XML. All wrapped up in a Netbeans gui.
Attached is an email I wrote to the author with my personal assessment of
TestMaker's chances at Jakarta. I hope it doesn't discourage people from
doing their own analysis, but apparently if these things aren't posted
publicly, Jakarta gains a reputation of ignoring people's approaches.
--Jeff
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co-author of a similar Ant-based testing framework, http://aft.sf.net
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[1] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jmeter-devm=103064442221903w=2
[2] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-generalm=103064493222452w=2
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On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 09:09:49AM -0700, Frank Cohen wrote:
Hi Jeff: Thanks for your interest. TestMaker uses a lot of open-source
libraries: NetBeans, Jython, Xerces, JDOM, Apache SOAP, etc. The download
package on the Web site provides these all integrated and ready to use. The
components we wrote from scratch are the Test Object Oriented Library (TOOL)
and the NetBeans module and localization/branding file.
I'm laid up in bed with a nasty head cold - have been for the past 4 days.
Ugh. I'll send you a document that shows how to build TestMaker from all the
parts shortly.
That's okay, I downloaded the whole shebang yesterday, and don't reeeally
need to build all from scratch ;)
Great. How did the install go? Are you running Unix, Windows, ? Did you read
the docs?
It all went nicely after I fixed the file formats.
Anyway, just random thoughts :) I fully agree that the .NET vs Java war
is hotting up and that OSS's achilles heel is the lack of coordination
and integration.
Is there a process to getting TestMaker considered as a subproject? I read
the Jakarta Web pages - which do a very good job a discouraging - but it
doesn't really say how a subproject is started. :-)
You did it right. There's a Project Management Committee (PMC) of seven
people who decide if a project gets in or not, and they decide based on
interest expressed on general@jakarta. There, 99.9% of people don't know
or use your project, so they form opinions mainly on criteria like these:
1) Is it suitable as per http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html
2) Is it a winner, ie is it leading the pack in it's market niche.
3) Does it's goals overlap with any existing, more widely know projects.
4) Does it integrate well with existing Jakarta projects.
I think TestMaker meets 1), and given the sad, fragmented state of open
source functional testing generally, doesn't fail 2) either.
TestMaker's functionality does seem to overlap with JMeter somewhat,
which is what Andrew Oliver said. Lately, people have been very
unforgiving of projects that may fulfil the goals of related, more
widely-known projects (in this case, JMeter). People do realise that
fragmentation is hurting Java, so they'd rather callously say go away
and merge with X than accept any project that isn't clearly unique or
market-leading.
Also, TestMaker seems more an integration of existing technologies
(jython, netbeans) than a more traditional straight-Java project. The
TestMaker-specific code (TOOL) has already been implemented at Jakarta,
in the form of the HTTPClient project:
http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/httpclient/
At least, that is the impression a casual user gets from the TOOL
description Tool is the object library that handles communication with
HTTP, HTTPS, SOAP, .NET, JDBC and other protocols.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with projects that meet a need by
integrating existing projects (assuming netbeans + jython + http lib ==
TestMaker), but they don't really fit well in Jakarta. There's just so
many permutations. If someone integrated Eclipse + jython + httplib,
should that also live at Jakarta?
Anyway, that's my brutally honest opinion :)
Perhaps we should form a Open Source Functional Testing Tools
Consortium to promote awareness of what's out there, and more
collaboration amongst the various projects (Latka, Anteater, TestMaker,
JMeter, WebTest.. any others?).
--Jeff
--Jeff
[1] http://aft.sourceforge.net
[2] http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/latka)
[3] http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/jelly
-Frank
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From: Jeff Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 14:42:35 +1000
To: Frank Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: TestMaker as subproject
Hi,
This
