Re: [gentoo-amd64] Flash plug-in
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:21:32 +0100, Luigi Pinna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to everybody! I installed the new amd64 gentoo enviroment but I cannot use the flash plugin: I installed by emerge the last version (the 7) but firefox and konqueror don't see it. I tried to the manuall installation but the installer doesn't support the x86_64 architecture... Is there a solution? 64 bit mozilla will require a 64 bit flash plugin, which doesn't exist. There's a post in the forums, which tells you how to use a 32bit plugin. Other than that, there no other way really. HTH. -- Jow -- Money can't buy everything. Sometimes money can't even buy a gun... -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Flash plug-in
Hi, Luigi Pinna wrote: I tried to the manuall installation but the installer doesn't support the x86_64 architecture... Is there a solution? Not only the installer, the whole flash thing doesn't support amd64, so you have to use a 32bit-browser (i.e. mozilla-firefox-bin). You can't load a 32bit-plugin into a 64bit browser, that's the problem. Greetings, blubb -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-amd64] Gentoo/AMD64 FAQ
Hi everybody, I'm currently thinking about writing up a little Gentoo/AMD64-FAQ that should catch the most frequently asked question (what a surprise ;)). I hope that this FAQ will also lower the unnecessary traffic on this list and the irc channel. Unfortunately, I only have a few questions, so please everyone give me some input :) o What were your first questions when you installed Gentoo on a AMD64? o Which questions bore you every day on this list or #gentoo-amd64? The FAQ probably will also contain questions that are already covered in the technotes, but it seems that not everyone reads them :( They FAQ will be found http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/index.xml?catid=faq as soon as we have enough questions and gerrynjr xmlified them :) Thanks in advance, blubb -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Flash plug-in firefox
Alle 12:33, venerdì 25 marzo 2005, Simon Stelling ha scritto: [...] Not only the installer, the whole flash thing doesn't support amd64, so you have to use a 32bit-browser (i.e. mozilla-firefox-bin). You can't load a 32bit-plugin into a 64bit browser, that's the problem. Greetings, blubb This is bad... That means that I cannot use konqueror like browser... I want to install firefox with the multilanguage support (like mozilla), is it possible or I can use only one language? And in every case, there is the a binary version avaible in other languages, what I must do to install that by emerge? Thanks a lot Luigi -- Public key GPG(0x073A0960) on http://keyserver.linux.it/ pgpO7sb5EuJeT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Gentoo/AMD64 FAQ
lib lib32 lib64 emulation mozilla / firefox plugins amd64 vs ~amd64 -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman rocket surgeon / [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license #4933 I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Gentoo/AMD64 FAQ
On Friday 2005-03-25 11:45, Simon Stelling wrote: Hi everybody, I'm currently thinking about writing up a little Gentoo/AMD64-FAQ that should catch the most frequently asked question (what a surprise ;)). I hope that this FAQ will also lower the unnecessary traffic on this list and the irc channel. Unfortunately, I only have a few questions, so please everyone give me some input :) o What were your first questions when you installed Gentoo on a AMD64? Will it really run 32-bit programs transparantly? (yes) What won't work? (Flash/Java-plugin, suspend, ...?) o Which questions bore you every day on this list or #gentoo-amd64? What is the (speed) difference for 32-bit and 64-bit Gentoo on amd64? I.e, should I get the 32-bit livecd or the 64-bit? -- regards. Esben -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Flash plug-in firefox
On Friday 25 March 2005 11:56, Luigi Pinna wrote: That means that I cannot use konqueror like browser... Actually, you can, and you can use Konqueror with Flash, too. Mainly, to support netscape-style plugins, Konqueror uses an external program (nspluginviewer) which load the plugin. You only need to have that program compiled for 32-bit environment. Look on the forum, there's a post about it. I'm using it without a problem right now. The only thing.. you will be unable to use 64-bit plugins in that case, but this shouldn't be a problem, as with konqueror java is used without nsplugins and kaffeine and other software could take care as kpart of showing videos and audio. HTH, -- Diego Flameeyes Petten http://wwwstud.dsi.unive.it/~dpetteno/ -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Gentoo/AMD64 FAQ
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, March 25, 2005 6:02 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: lib lib32 lib64 emulation mozilla / firefox plugins amd64 vs ~amd64 What profile should I use? What profile should I continue to use? When should I switch? From the number of lib32/lib64 questions floating around it seems apparent that it isn't obvious when a profile has switched from beta-testing to release. (I wouldn't mind knowing the answers to the last two myself!) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCRByAg2bN8aFizRkRAokhAKCjRu6IcH1kZWBTwfiBDJNbrdysuQCgrA9N utu6X9NfeBbl3B6BYbjgA7A= =3+Rk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] New installation, what to think of?
if you already have a 32bit gentoo there, then you could always use it to setup your file structure, and config files. Also, when I upgraded, I just left my grub(grub has be compiled 32bit) in /boot. So technically my 64bit system doesn't have a boot loader. :) I get a few complaints when I compile a kernel, but otherthan that I haven't had any problems. On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:13:42 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Vinsander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my first attempt at amd64 and I am wondering if there are something else I need to think of except from the excellent instructions regarding amd64 found on the gentoo website. I don't know if the pages mention this, but dosemu doesn't work in 64-bit. That would be a gotcha for some people. (It would be nice if qemu-i386 could run dosemu, but, alas, it cannot.) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.chemoelectric.org Even if they say lofty things like `democracy' or whatever it is they say, they don't mean it. -- David Durenberger -- ~Jay Hopping [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Gentoo/AMD64 FAQ
Hi, Richard Freeman wrote: What profile should I use? What profile should I continue to use? When should I switch? From the number of lib32/lib64 questions floating around Well, we can't really answer these questions, it's a matter of taste ;) What do you mean with 'lib32/lib64 questions'? could you give a typical example, please? it seems apparent that it isn't obvious when a profile has switched from beta-testing to release. 2005.0 profile is still testing, it will be officially released when 2005.0 is released. Greetings, blubb -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Gentoo/AMD64 FAQ
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, March 25, 2005 1:41 pm, Simon Stelling said: Well, we can't really answer these questions, it's a matter of taste ;) Actually, your answer below was good enough for me? I don't mind an answer of xyz if you're feeling luck, and abc if you're not. Gentoo is all about choice, after all. What do you mean with 'lib32/lib64 questions'? could you give a typical example, please? I was referring to all the confusion that arose when people had backwards symlinks due to some early versions of the 2005.0 scripts. If I were on a play machine that I wanted to be cutting-edge (or maybe a playground chroot) I wouldn't mind that at all, and would appreciate the challenge. However, I wouldn't want that to happen on a released version. Usually I don't mind tinkering with things, but if it is serious problem that leaves half my box unusable then sometimes I might not have time to play with it before actually trying to use it for something somewhat serious. 2005.0 profile is still testing, it will be officially released when 2005.0 is released. Thanks - that's all I wanted to know. Maybe a good FAQ might be How do I know what profile is released? Don't get me wrong - I appreciate all the amd64 devs are doing here - they've been nothing but helpful to me, and I consulted #amd64 for advice before spending my money and got a lot of great free advice. Sometimes, however, it isn't always obvious what directions things are going in (a la multilib) unless you glean from several places (the mailing list, the forum, and probably IRC as well), which I usually don't do. Maybe a roadmap or something might be a good idea? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCRGKZg2bN8aFizRkRAtmuAKDLEwmQecW4Ac7NN4aCEhh7wmE/YwCfRGN3 nbvcXVQVYRRUZyIdNGMtz60= =W8T2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] New installation, what to think of?
Jay Hopping wrote: if you already have a 32bit gentoo there, then you could always use it to setup your file structure, and config files. Yep, I have an old 32 bit gentoo installation on my disk (using lvm2, and I really hope there are no surprises for me in that area) File structure? Exactly what do you mean by this? Are you refering to partition information from /etc/fstab? It's late and I feel a bit stupid... Also, when I upgraded, I just left my grub(grub has be compiled 32bit) in /boot. Won't portage take care of doing that right for you? Thanks to you who have answered so far! /Andreas OT: Found out that my PSU cables can't reach the ATX/P4 sockets... grrr! And everything was closed down today (easter celebration)... hopefully I will find extension cabling tomorrow... I wanna start compile stuff... and hear the silence (the previous box was a real PITA when it comes to noise levels) -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-amd64] Re: Gentoo/AMD64 FAQ
Esben Mose Hansen posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:21:16 +: On Friday 2005-03-25 11:45, Simon Stelling wrote: Hi everybody, I'm currently thinking about writing up a little Gentoo/AMD64-FAQ Will it really run 32-bit programs transparantly? (yes) What won't work? (Flash/Java-plugin, suspend, ...?) Along this line, emphasize the fact that 32-bit apps work, but that 32-bit libs in a 64-bit app, or the reverse, will *NOT* work. Then mention the practical implication of that in terms of source impaired plugins and the like, Flash and various 32-bit only codecs included. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman in http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/12/22/rms_interview.html -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Gentoo/AMD64 FAQ
A discussion of the dangers of etc-update. Protect your hand-crafted config files. Especially fstab and group. This is always a good one to emphasize. (Do note that the fstab issue is going away, however. I don't know about stable, but ~ baselayout doesn't contain that file any more, so it's not overwritten. Continuing to use it Now I know that this isn't the best content in messages, but I'm definitely happy that it is going ot be taken out. What I would like to see is that the original (eg default) configuration file is saved somewhere and that when a program is updated that changes are checked against that file and not the currently installed one, that way there is much less risk of overwritting a customized file when there is no actual updates. -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Gentoo/AMD64 FAQ
Nuitari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I would like to see is that the original (eg default) configuration file is saved somewhere and that when a program is updated that changes are checked against that file and not the currently installed one, that way there is much less risk of overwritting a customized file when there is no actual updates. I put my config files in RCS archives with the usual locking turned off (rcs -U). That way I can edit the files in the usual way but also I can save and recover older versions very easily. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.chemoelectric.org Even if they say lofty things like `democracy' or whatever it is they say, they don't mean it. -- David Durenberger pgpUbMalSgK54.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Error: sudo emerge --update --deep --newuse world
Well, since nobody else has chimed in yet... I don't post often, 'cuz most of this is over my head, but... I had a problem emerging GCC recently as well, and the answer I got from the web forums, was it's a bug. I had to do a stage3 install, because I couldn't emerge GCC on AMD64. I also attempted a --newuse after getting it running, that b0rked at GCC. Might be able to find more info on bugs.gentoo.org? Sorry I can't be of more help (but I'm learning!). - Kevin -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Gentoo/AMD64 FAQ
When I first started using Gentoo, I didn't know what etc-update was for but
each time I emerged a package it would complain about all the ._xx
files. Upon further investigation I realized that I really wanted some of
the updates and I didn't want others. I wrote a little shell script that
finds the files, does a diff against the original and gives me a simple
prompt: Update, Ignore, Remove new:
A simple enter key, or a U or u will just install the new file.
I lets me ignore the file this time and R removes the new version.
R removes the new config file. This is especially handy if it would wipe
out my /etc/fstab. There are few config file changes that I need merge in
by hand.
I have seen other similar scripts, and I have tried etc-update, but I keep
using mine. I have cleaned it up a bit and it is attached.
Cheers,
--
Steve Herber[EMAIL PROTECTED] work: 206-221-7262
Security Engineer, UW Medicine, IT Services home: 425-454-2399
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005, Nuitari wrote:
A discussion of the dangers of etc-update. Protect your hand-crafted
config files. Especially fstab and group.
This is always a good one to emphasize. (Do note that the fstab issue is
going away, however. I don't know about stable, but ~ baselayout doesn't
contain that file any more, so it's not overwritten. Continuing to use it
Now I know that this isn't the best content in messages, but I'm
definitely happy that it is going ot be taken out.
What I would like to see is that the original (eg default) configuration
file is saved somewhere and that when a program is updated that changes
are checked against that file and not the currently installed one, that
way there is much less risk of overwritting a customized file when there
is no actual updates.
--
gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
#!/bin/sh
# Copyright 2004 by Steve Herber
# Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2
# set -x
START='
/etc
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb
/usr/kde/3.3/share/config
'
echo Searching in $START
for cfg in `find $START -name '._*' -print`
do
real_cfg=`echo $cfg | sed s/._cfg_//`
echo
echo Checking $real_cfg
diff $cfg $real_cfg
read -p Update, Ignore, Remove new: ${real_cfg}? answer
case $answer
in
# blank as default gives us an update
|U|u)
mv $cfg $real_cfg ;;
I|i)
echo Not updating $real_cfg ;;
R|r)
rm $cfg ;;
*)
echo Not updating $real_cfg ;;
esac
done
exit
--
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Gentoo/AMD64 FAQ
I wrote: If I need to do anything complicated I usually use emerge mode in Emacs. It's a very handy tool. I just realized that people might think I'm talking about an Emacs mode for ebuilds. Emerge is an Emacs mode for interactive merges. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.chemoelectric.org Even if they say lofty things like `democracy' or whatever it is they say, they don't mean it. -- David Durenberger pgpygDxI3aEg2.pgp Description: PGP signature
